The godfather of PEMF

Once in a while, I have the opportunity to interview a guest with incredible insight on a specific topic. These guests are invested in moving humanity forward and at the same time not boosting their social platform and maintaining a certain degree of privacy. Michael Davis is one such human. In inner circles, he is known as the godfather of modern-day PEMF and brings a background in physics and engineering to the table of design. In the eternal quest to seek the truth, and not recirculate old stories, I bring you what I believe to be one of the most down to earth and factual interviews about pulsed electromagnetic fields and their origins.

Episode Highlights

1:58 - The history and Michael's role in the PEMF technology

7:46 - What makes Michael's machines unique

11:31 - What actually happens in the body with PEMF?

14:54 - The different machines and types for PEMF

17:09 - What about other frequency-healing modalities?

19:16 - Can frequency be an asset for healing with COVID?

22:25 - Steps to take for success with COVID

24:12 - Future developments and possibilities with PEMF

26:19 - Practical advice for a healthy future

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (00:02.274)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast brought to you by AmpCoil. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show, we discuss the common threads survivors share after walking through the fire, the practitioners making a difference, and the treatment modalities that deliver healing back into the hands of the people who need it most. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (00:36.387)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I never talk at the beginning of episodes, so we're gonna switch it up. Welcome, welcome, welcome. I'm so excited to have an amazing individual. We've got Michael Davis today on the podcast, who is, if you're into transformational technology, he is the godfather of pulsed electromagnetic field, especially in the last 40 years in the United States.

It's a very exciting podcast for me. You know, a lot of times we have guests on with a platform, a book, something they're actively selling. That's not Michael Davis. He really granted the podcast an interview because he knows I am personally such a fan of some of these technologies using magnetics, some frequency. So he's offered his time and I'm excited for you to take a little deep dive and learn more about the science.

I hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, please, the best thing you can do at this time is to share an episode with a good friend. I applaud you. And again, if there's something you want to hear about, shoot me a message, freddysetgo.gmail.com and we'll get back to you. We'll get right on it. That's it for now. Enjoy the episode. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I have a wonderful guest here, Michael Davis. We're going to get into the world of

Pulse Electromagnetic Fields, PEMF. And Michael, welcome to the show, first off. You have a long history in the world of PEMF. I wondered if you couldn't just enlighten our audience on how you're involved in this modality of moving the body forward into balance and some of the history behind the technology. The Pulse Electromagnetic Field therapy has been around for probably

60 or 70 years. About 40 years ago, my mother, the email, through mail, there was no email then, bought a PEMF device from a company called Soda Instruments in Canada. And I laughed. I said, how could this possibly do anything? And then about 26 or 27 years ago, both of my parents were having back problems, each of them different back problems.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (03:01.826)
And I had a friend whose father worked for the FDA and his job was to investigate quackery in medical devices. And Chuck's father said, you have to get your parents to come to this pain clinic in Beverly Hills. They have this machine there from Greece. I don't know how it works, but it's amazing. So my parents drove from Oxnard only an hour away, not that bad, to a pain clinic in Beverly Hills and used a papimi machine from Athens, Greece.

And after five or six times, they stopped going and I'm saying, how come? They say, I don't hurt anymore. That was pretty amazing. thought, so I told my friend Chuck and his father about that and they, they might not about my life. And about seven years later, Chuck was having back problems and his dad says, go see Dr. Fromm in Beverly Hills. Worse is you waste a bit of time and money. Can't hurt you. That's not invasive. And Chuck said, no, no, my doctor says I need surgery. Nothing else will help.

And Chuck got surgery and his back got worse. And he got a second surgery. His back didn't get worse, but didn't get better. So after two surgeries, he finally went to use this post electromagnetic field therapy device in Beverly Hills. And after two times, he started feeling better and started getting some mobility back and his pain was going away. So he flew to Athens, became a zealot for this machine, flew to Athens, talked Dr. Poppison to giving him a North American continent exclusive distributorship to distribute this machine.

I remember they had only sold one machine in seven years in all of North America. So the company wasn't giving Chuck anything really to give them this distributorship. Chuck went and sold over 300 of these machines in the next eight years at $59,000 a piece. During which time I saw miracle after miracle because he was doing a clinical trial in Tarzana and a lot of my friends would go there and get well and I would see really some amazing things.

But the machine was not reliable and weighed 285 pounds and had to be cratered up to ship back to LA for service constantly. So for the last three or four years of Chuck's distributor shapes, he was begging me to please, Michael, design and manufacture in America a machine of this category so I don't have to deal with this Greek company anymore. So I figured, okay, I have a friend of 30 years that'll be my distributor. I'll be a manufacturer in the background.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (05:27.45)
But my academic background is physics, not electronics. So I actually had to read college electronics books to figure out how to design a machine like this, because I didn't want to copy any part of the machine that broke all the time. Just about the time I got my first prototype machine, before I got my first prototype machine running, Chuck died of a heart attack. So I figured, OK, so much for that business. But my phone started ringing with his salespeople and distributors.

still wanting to buy these kinds of machines. And I was intellectually curious if my ideas of designing a machine like this worked. And so I moved forward, and that was 18 years ago. So I became the first manufacturer in America to make post electromagnetic field devices. Not instantly, but very quickly, two of Chuck's employees

who had gone into business repairing Papimi machines and I had allowed them to use my shop as a office and now it's a laboratory to do their repairs. And I was their banker and bought parts for them and they paid me back when they did the repairs. Unbeknownst to me, they were looking over my shoulder all the time, copying down all my schematics and all my vendors and everything and went into business competing against me. That is now the PER 2000, Josh Silver.

And then my second distributor took my machine that I had lent him, he hadn't even paid for it, and went and found people to copy it and went into business against me. That was Pulse Centers. goodness. This is good. And it goes on from there. And now there's another person who used to be a repairman for Chuck who's also manufacturing machines like this.

So most of the manufacturers in America are copiers of my earlier versions of my machine. The difference between my company and theirs is I have an academic background in the sciences and manufacturing, none of them do. So they're stuck copying the version of the machine that I was making at that time. And my product has continually advanced since then and theirs hasn't.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (07:47.758)
That's incredible. Can we talk a little bit about your machine, its title and what it's called? I decided not to sell directly, but to sell through distributors because I saw them as a worldwide product, not as a local product. Their machines all work medically. The primary difference between my machine and their machines is this is a medical device. Every electronic device that plugs into the wall

around the world is supposed to be safety tested to show that it won't electrocute somebody or burn a building down. All of my products are safety tested and certified and can have labels on them that show they have their safety tested. Not a single one of the other manufacturers in America of PEMF devices has ever submitted a single one of their products for safety testing. All of the other products worldwide

PMF devices worldwide are safety tested. Everybody else is behaving properly except the other American manufacturers. None of them. Interesting. Yeah. So Josh Silver and Paul Webb and all those guys, they, they, none of their products are approved. In fact, Paul Webb, the Pulse Centers, they say this is not a medical device. Well, the truth is whether we say or don't say what is or what isn't a medical device doesn't make it a medical device or not.

For instance, currently under the current laws, sunglasses that block ultraviolet light are a medical device because they are actually affecting what reaches us. They're theoretically blocking the ultraviolet spectrum and they're supposed to be safety tested and they are in most cases. So the FDA determines what's a medical device, not the manufacturer. Getting back to the high power and low power machines, I told you before we started here,

that all the world's largest medical equipment conference, Medica, in Dusseldorf, Germany, every November, last year there were 47 manufacturers exhibiting pulse magnetic therapy devices. Only one other Korean company was exhibiting a device that was strong enough you could actually feel the pulse. The other 45 manufacturers were very low-power devices like Curatron, IMRS, QRS, Beamer.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (10:14.832)
All of those are low power PEMF devices and they do work. And like I said, there's 2,800 clinical trials to demonstrate that they actually do work. Basically in my readings and one of my engineers has the biological background and he said that the pulse, the low power PEMF devices might actually be more healing at a cellular level, even though the high power devices are definitely better.

at reducing pain and inflammation in the short term. So once you already have the enclosure and the switches and the AC cord and the power supplies and everything, it doesn't cost a whole lot more electronically to put an additional second device inside the machines. So all of our products actually have two PEMF machines running at the same time. They have a high-powered device, which is what the Pat Beame is.

and what our original device was for the first 15 years. they have a low-power device like Beamer and iMRS and Curatron also operating at the same time. So people using our devices are getting two complete separate independent therapies at the same time. And nobody else in the world has that. Incredible. I have a question for you. We have, you know, it's often quoted and I do get this feeling that

People take a, they're gonna take something from a book, somebody's written down somewhere, and you see the same fact regurgitated. You know, we see the ability of PEMF. It said there's a few things that happen in the body as far as benefits. It's often said that transmembrane potential is increased, the sodium potassium pump, cellular pH, oxygenation of the body. What are your thoughts about what's actually happening? I think we gotta break this into two parts.

What's happening? Let's do the stronger version of the PEMF first in the body when we get that ringer device. Actually, the stronger or the weaker ones at the cellular level do pretty much the same thing. All these people are talking about ion potential and oxygen level. Those are the results of what you're really doing. The primary thing that you're doing is the openings between the inside and the outside of the cells are called ion channels.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (12:36.996)
Those are the ways the cells breathe. So if you can cause the ion channels to open, the cell membrane permeability increases. The first thing that happens is inflammation dissipates. So people see these as a pain treatment device. They're not. Primary ongoing cause of pain is inflammation. So if you can improve the cell membrane permeability, the inflammation dissipates and the pain just isn't there anymore.

Virtually all pain therapy devices only block or interrupt the pain signal. They don't actually fix anything. All they do is keep the body from experiencing the fact that they're having pain. For PEMF devices, they're actually treating the underlying cause of the pain. They're reducing the inflammation so the pain just isn't there anymore rather than blocking the pain signal and the pain's still there. That's the primary thing. Also, if the cells are breathing better,

oxygen and nutrients in easier, waste products and carbon dioxide out easier, and waste products out. PEMF is detoxifying. The first three or four times somebody uses the high-power machine, if they're using it in the fatty tissue area of their body, if they don't drink a lot of water in the next 24 hours, they'll actually get a Hertzheimer reaction because the body is releasing all these toxins to get rid of, which is a good thing, but you don't want to release too much at one time. So basically,

PEMF does not heal you, you heal you. The only thing that PEMF does is help the cells to breathe better so all the body's normal chemical processes can happen more readily. It's been clearly demonstrated that PEMF is a catalyst to all the body's normal chemical activity. You and I think of a catalyst as you mix two things together and stir them up. The word catalyst only means improves the reaction of.

So if the cell membrane permeability is improved, you have better intracellular fluids migration and all the body's normal chemical processes can happen better and more readily. So basically the primary thing that this machine does is it helps the cells to breathe better. And then the body does the rest. Incredible. And I alluded to something. I said ringer device and I didn't explain what that was. I know people at home are like, what's he talking about?

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (15:02.64)
Can you explain to us the difference between a ringer device and a machine that's a Hummer or an oscillating machine? Host electromagnetic field is any waveform that goes through zero. The electricity that comes out of our wall is a Hummer. It's a sine wave. It's an oscillating waveform. It's continuously oscillating at 60 times a second. And it goes through zero 120 times a second. A ringer is a impact.

is a very high slew rate, a very high quick rising signal and a very quick decaying signal and then blank space in between that and the next signal. For instance, if you take two tuning forks of the same frequency and you strike one and it's humming there and you move the other tuning fork near it, the other tuning fork will start to oscillate at the same frequency as the first one. But if you move another tuning fork of a different frequency up near the first oscillating tuning fork,

nothing will happen. So the way that first tuning fork got oscillating is it got struck, it got impacted and it started ringing. So the difference between a ringer and a Hummer, a Hummer is like going along all the time where a ringer is striking and then blank space, then an impact and blank space and then a waveform and then blank space. So they're dramatically better

medically. Mm hmm. Amazing. That's pretty clear. I wonder and you said you said you were at this conference, you know, you're in Dusseldorf, you're looking at all these other devices. And you said, in fact, they do work, even though they're lower power or they use a different waveform. They just work in a different way. No, they work this they actually work pretty much the same way.

All they're really any of them is doing is trying to open the cell membrane permeability. That's the primary thing that all of them are doing. And the low power machines do do that. They just don't get dramatic first treatment results like the high power machines do. They do work. So what are some of the, and you've been around this technology so long, what are some of the amazing benefits that you've seen in the community as far as like the more powerful?

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (17:21.847)
devices, you know, what kind of conditions have you seen people move forward where they've been stuck? I'm a manufacturer. don't, I don't ever. I sell myself through third party companies. I don't ever get to meet the users and buyers of these machines. So all I have is conversations with other PEMF manufacturers at medical conferences and what I read and the clinical trials that have been done in the past.

Like I said, the primary thing this does is that helps improve cell membrane permeability. And then all these other things happen because of that. That's incredible. So as far as, magnetics go in the body and balancing that bioterrain, I've also, I've also heard and read that you're a big fan of just frequency healing devices in general, aside from PEMF. I have five skinars. I have, four.

rife machines, including two plasma machines and some contact machines. I have frequency specific microcurrent machines and I've studied all of them. I have a Doug coil machine. I'm not convinced that frequency makes that much difference. Any. But there are a lot of people that believe it does and I don't have any information that says it's not true. So

I have to, I have to, I've attended right, frequent, right. Frequency medicine conferences around the world. and I met a lot of rife manufacturers. Like I said, when I first went into this business, I was considering manufacturing and distributing a right machine and decided not to, because I've never seen dramatic results, even though people talk about dramatic results, but I'm not, I'm not ill. So it's hard for me to see results like that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's it's it's is varying across the, you know, across the community. You're going to see people so devoted to some of the technologies that deliver frequency through a microcurrent or stepping on a plate. And then you're going to have people in the, you know, the PEMF world, which they have the same experience with their tech. And I think it just matters on where you at. It seems like everybody, you know, we sometimes you have something come in and do the heavy lifting when we're stuck and.

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (19:44.833)
Again, it just depends on you and your body. You're going to give it a different response across the board. know, another thing I was wondering about is, Michael, what are you just in? You've said you're not a medical doctor. You're in the world of physics. And what are your thoughts on the potentials of pulse electromagnetic field and our current situation in the world with COVID-19 or this viral outbreak, the ability of the magnetic field to benefit the body?

in these acute inflammation responses. The COVID-19, what it does is it impacts the body's ability to move oxygen through the lungs. And they first thought it was because it was coating the things inside the lungs. Little cilia. Yeah, with a liquid that blocked it. And they're now finding that the ventilators aren't really doing that much and ventilators don't

caused the problem. And now that they've also said that people that lose their sense of smell and their sense of taste, that's been shown to be caused in most cases by a zinc deficiency. And a zinc deficiency also makes the iron particles in the blood not be able to work with the hemoglobin to move the carbon dioxide and oxygen back and forth. So my current belief is, is that the

COVID-19 issue with assimilating oxygen is a zinc deficiency and not a coating on the insides of the lungs. so treating with zinc is getting their finding is working. PEMF will help the oxygen levels if you can get the oxygen to the hemoglobin. But if you can't get the oxygen to the hemoglobin, which is what happened with COVID-19,

The PEMF, even though the cells are breathing better, there's no oxygen to deliver floating around in the body. So really why people are dying from COVID-19 is oxygen starvation, but the ventilators are not the cure for the problem. Zinc is the cure for the problem. Thank you. That's very, I agree. I think there's some essential minerals and supplements that can really help the body out. Right. well, let me ask you this. Do you think the idea that, you know, if we're supplementing

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (22:11.523)
correctly, whatever you believe that to be. Do you believe that in the world of pulsed electromagnetic field that you're going to get a greater uptake of nutrients and setting your body up for success? Nutrients? Yes. Oxygen? Not, not if the zinc and iron part of the hemoglobin interaction is interrupted. No, it won't help.

And do you do you have any thoughts, Michael, just as you know, obviously you're in this world of optimizing wellness. Do you have any thoughts on some essential things people should be doing aside from a mask to set their body up for success and in this sense of resiliency? Well, it's hard. People that are immune compromised seem to have a harder time with the disease. I'm not sure there's a whole lot we can do other than isolate.

And this isn't going to go away in a few months. And looking back at the 1918 pandemic or looking back at SARS, it's going to float around here for at least three or four years. And it's going to come and go. minute they loosen up, people going out. And the problem, in the bigger picture, the problem is not the disease. The disease is eventually going to go away or else everybody is going to build up an immunity. Remember, testing in New York, they're now finding that

roughly 50 % of the people in New York City have antibodies already. That 80 % of the people that catch this disease don't need any medical treatment and some of them don't even know they had it and only 20 % need medical treatment and less than half of those actually need to be hospitalized. So there will be a herd immunity. People will develop not an immunity but they'll have antibodies to the disease in their body. But it's not going to go away soon. This is here for a while.

Yeah, so we will need to adapt as a culture and as a society. and you know, the concept of shaking hands just permanently disappeared. Yeah, it changes a little bit, doesn't it? Yeah. Michael, I want to ask you just a couple more questions here. What in your opinion, you know, you said your technology is always evolving, that you've always managed to keep moving forward. Do you have any visions on the future for what's possible with pulsed electromagnetic field that we haven't quite?

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (24:30.733)
Perfected yet or rooms as is there area where we can make gains in the technology? There's this is an easy question The change and improvement would be in keeping people well rather than trying to maintain or heal them after they're sick For instance, do you wait until you have a cavity to brush your teeth? No, you brush your teeth prophylactically preventatively so post magnetic therapy works to treat people well

rather than waiting until they get sick and trying to heal them. And that's not being used effectively. People should use these kinds of devices regularly to stay well rather than waiting until there's a crisis or an issue and then trying to get well again. And most of my potential customers around the world, that's what we're working on. For instance, I'm working with the National Health Service in Great Britain and we're doing a clinical trial

on elder care. Roughly 20 % of the elder people use up roughly 80 % of the budget. Too many meds, too many pain meds in particular, and too many clinic visits. So we're going to send 500 machines home with some of the problem child elder care people and see how much we can reduce clinic visits and how much we can reduce pain meds by them having a low-power PEMF machine at home.

And so I have to demonstrate to them that I can either be that I can be cost effective. Either the savings will be equal to or greater than the cost of having my machines. And that's the way this that's the way these should be used rather than just to try to fix something after they're broken. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Well, Michael, I really appreciate you being with the podcast today. Obviously.

Like you said, you are the person that brought this modern design into the marketplace. mean, it's incredible. And I know so many people have been helped by your technology, whether they copied and stole it or whether they got your system. If you had this opportunity just to point people in a direction where they can look at your technology and is there a distributor they should go through and they're researching? I believe it's the PMT 120, is that true?

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (26:55.607)
Well, each of my distributors has a different model name for my products because they don't want their prospective customers to be able to go out and shop the same item. Okay. my products, most of the distributors in America are selling my products, but they all have their own model name or product name for them. So I can't say that there's any one place or area. And between you and me, I'm not interested in the American market.

I don't care if I ever sell a machine in America. Wow. So here's what has to happen in America. First, you have to get safety testing and FDA approval. And that gets you nothing so far. Then you have to go out and argue with every insurance company, one insurance company at a time, one that they should pay and two, how much they should pay. And then you have to go out and sell it one doctor at a time. And then you have to get the doctors to educate their populace. Now as a manufacturer,

Would I rather do that or would I rather sell 500 or a thousand machines that have time to a government healthcare system? think it's answer B. Yeah, no contest. So, I mean, yes, I'm an American. Yes, I've been doing, I'm doing more business in America than anywhere else in the world, but that's not my market thrust. My market thrust is, is prevention and wellness worldwide rather than trying to heal people once they're sick, which is the American way of medicine. True that.

Michael, again, I appreciate the honesty and just the direct nature of answering all these questions. It's really helpful to me and I know it's going to be helpful to people in the audience. And I'll put some links in the show notes where we can point people in the right direction. none of these other companies in America, none of the people that have copied me making PMF devices in America, they can't sell in other countries because they don't have safety testing.

And you can't get through customs in any quantity of the device exporting to another country because it can't get into their past or customs if it doesn't have a safety testing label on it. So all these other companies, they are stuck selling in America. And like I said, I'm a worldwide company and I'm the only one that's behaving like a medical device manufacturer. Well, I applaud you for that. Can you leave the beautifully broken audience with one piece of

Freddie Kimmel and Michael Davis (29:24.405)
advice about putting everything in perspective and creating a plan for wellness to just feel good about your body and the systems approach of managing health? Yes. One, buy a PMF device. Two, buy a ringer, not a Hummer. More power is not better. It doesn't have to knock your socks off to work. A lower power ringer type device

is medically just as effective as a higher power device. It may not alleviate all your pain in the first treatment, but that doesn't mean it's not working. That doesn't mean it won't work just as well after a few treatments. So you don't have to, you do not have to spend 20 or $30,000 to get a good machine. You can get a good machine for $7,000 that will get the job done just as well. As long as it's a ringer. Amazing. Michael, thank you so much for being here.

Nice to talk with you. Nice to talk with you. Namaste. Bye. Ladies and gentlemen, you made it to the end of the podcast. Now in a world with average attention span is less than 10 seconds. We just spent almost an hour together and I think this is the beginning of something really beautiful. Now one way to support the podcast is to head over to freddysetgo.com and check out my newly launched page, Freddy's Faves.

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