Genetics Meets Epigenetics: Practical Tools for Better Health with Dr. Chad Yarbrough
Sep 29, 2025
WELCOME TO EPISODE 260
Welcome back to Beautifully Broken, where healing meets high performance. Today, I’m joined by Dr. Chad Yarbrough, a pioneer in genetic testing who’s changing the way we think about privacy, precision, and personalized care. Dr. Chad takes us from his early days in functional medicine—watching nonverbal kids go verbal and infertility cases resolve—to building his own lab for complete data control.
We dive deep into the science of SNPs, alleles, and the epigenome, and how to interpret your genetic report without panic or paralysis. Dr. Chad explains why knowledge truly is power, how to avoid being sold unnecessary supplements, and why environment and lifestyle are still the ultimate levers for gene expression. You’ll also hear real-world stories of patients reversing early dementia, overcoming histamine intolerance, and reclaiming their vitality by aligning with their genetic strengths.
This is a masterclass in genetic literacy, data privacy, and actionable wellness. If you’ve ever felt overwhelmed by health advice online, this conversation will leave you clear, empowered, and ready to take ownership of your biology.
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS
[00:00] – Welcome to Beautifully Broken: why genetics is a “river of misinformation” online
[02:33] – Chad’s first experience with functional medicine and genetic testing in a clinic setting
[04:35] – The truth behind 23andMe: data sales, privacy breaches, and what most people don’t know
[06:37] – How genetics acts as your “roadmap” for personalized health and lab testing
[08:05] – Moving away from fear: why color-coded reports and “red” SNPs can mislead consumers
[09:42] – What sets MaxGen Labs apart: owning the machines, data privacy, and quality control
[12:01] – Building easy-to-use reports with clear action steps instead of selling supplements
[16:04] – Genetics 101 over coffee: DNA, alleles, and how your “recipe book” shapes you
[17:52] – SNPs and supplements: why you need two indications before taking anything
[21:30] – The overlooked role of histamine, diet, and environment before methylation support
[25:53] – Full genome vs. validated SNPs: why more data isn’t always better
[30:32] – Epigenetics explained: the gun, the trigger, and the safety switch of gene expression
[39:06] – Pesticide and toxin sensitivity: how your genes affect environmental exposures
[41:59] – Tylenol, CYP genes, and glutathione: the hidden risk in a common pain reliever
[46:15] – Real-life results: from methylfolate “aha” moments to reversing early dementia
[50:49] – MTHFR and beyond: when methylfolate isn’t the answer and what to try instead
[54:21] – The #1 lifestyle needle-mover: detoxing your environment before supplements
[59:01] – What it means to be “beautifully broken” from Chad’s perspective
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PRODUCT UNBOXING
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Freddie Kimmel (00:00.904)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I'm here with Chad Yarbrough. Welcome to the show.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (00:07.096)
Thanks, nice to meet you.
Freddie Kimmel (00:09.248)
Good to meet you. Although we've had some back and forth here and I'm a firm believer of divine timing when it's right, it's right. And this is our space to communicate about genetics, Chad. It's such a, God, I'd call it a river of misinformation. When you get on the interweb and start looking into how can genetics support my lifestyle and my, and my path towards better wellness. It's really like,
It's one of those great examples of it's great information. And then you have to ask yourself, who is it coming from? what is the source? Is it reliable? Is somebody trying to sell me something? Which is why I needed to have you on the show. So how, let me ask you this. When did you first start becoming interested in genetics?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (00:48.974)
Thank
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:00.226)
You know, I got, that's a good question. I I got pulled into a functional med clinic probably around 2012, maybe 2011. And I worked with a couple MDs and a brilliant nurse practitioner. and they were using it in practice and we were running 23 and me and, and looking at different genetic variants.
Freddie Kimmel (01:21.696)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:24.51)
And I just saw the results that we were having. I was blown away with it. And I was into blood work. was into organic acid testing, hormone testing, you know, everything that, you know, from a functional standpoint, but genetics was just like the foundation of everything. And we had spectrum kids, nonverbal going verbal, you know, infertility cases left and right. mean, it was just drastic people there, you know, their anxiety was going away.
depression was improving and it was just the foundation of what they were doing in that clinic and it resonated with me and that was my first experience with it and we just, I latched onto it and kept looking at different genes and things that we couldn't get through any other labs and a lot of privacy issues were coming around about some of these labs sending data overseas and selling the data on the backend to different companies and
I was like, there's gotta be a better way to do this. And I found a geneticist and we opened a lab together and we have machines now, we have 100 %
control of all the samples, the data and everything. And we can look at the genes that we wanna look at and it's kinda how we got here.
Freddie Kimmel (02:43.71)
Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. The experience that you're talking about privacy and a little bit of, you know, do I want my genetic information? I had run a 23andMe. goodness. Must've been 12, 13 years ago. One day I pop open my email. You know, not only is your data being sold, but your company's been acquired. Everything about like...
Chad Yarbrough, DC (03:00.536)
same.
Freddie Kimmel (03:11.692)
You could literally say it's, let you into, we let you into like Superman's back cupboard closet where you have all my, all my weaknesses and fears. And I'm like, now they're out there in the world. I was shocked to see that. Do you know exactly how, what unfolded with the 23 and me situation, which I know many people are frustrated about.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (03:24.622)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (03:34.349)
Well, you know, that started really a long time ago. They were selling data on the backend in your terms of service. That's how they can get away with selling that or doing that kind of testing for that cheap, know, $69, $99. They're making their money somewhere else. I guarantee you. Um, I know what it costs to run these machines and, um, yeah, that's kind of was the beginning of it was the privacy and we were the first to market, you know, data privacy, but they actually had, think a pretty bad.
They got hacked, believe had a pretty bad data breach. And I think that was the final straw, but I try not to meddle in other competitors business too much. So.
Freddie Kimmel (04:14.368)
Of course. Yeah. I think that's the right road to take. It's really interesting. watched some of this unfold in the space and definitely it's not limited to the area of looking at genetics and epigenetics. Let me ask you, when you are talking to somebody and they don't know that this is a tool we can use to improve our health, how would you explain the value of understanding a genetic report and what are we looking at?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (04:43.608)
Well, so in our space, know, in health and wellness, there's literally thousands of things that you can do, know, millions of different diets, millions of supplements, different, know, biohacking things, different lifestyle, thousands of things you can do. And the genetics really tells you your strengths and your weaknesses. And if you know your strengths and your weaknesses, your tendencies, you can tailor those thousands of things. You can narrow it down to like,
five or six maybe, you so it saves a lot of guessing and it tells you what labs you need to really look at. And we're.
Getting to a point now where we can actually start to tailor the lab ranges based off genetics. There's some things in B12 that if you don't know this genetics and your labs are normal, you may not be normal. You have to get further testing done. That's not standard of care, even within the functional med space. So even the lab ranges can change. it really just gives you a roadmap of what you need to do, I feel like.
Freddie Kimmel (05:41.472)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (05:49.152)
And how do we, how do we as consumers, right? So this is a, you know, I have plenty of practitioners that listen to the show and many doctors I respect. And at the same time, this is, this audience is, a consumer based, it's people that are really interested in taking radical ownership of their health. How do you deal with this information and not allow it to become, uh, over-weighted?
IE that it's not deterministic in our health and for someone to see a report and say, my goodness, because people say this to me all the time. They come in the gate really hot. I have MTHFR or I have the phenotype that I cannot let go of mold. It's very concrete. And in my head, I'm like, well, those are genetic snips. Yes. And it's
multifactorial and there's many different pathways the body could work around that or turn that gene on or off. So how do you have that conversation with somebody?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (06:48.942)
Come
I'm sorry.
Freddie Kimmel (06:52.832)
Yes. Yeah, no, it's okay. How do you have the conversation when somebody comes in and they're looking at a genetic report and they're attempting to not allow it to be heavily weighted or deterministic? Like how do you explain that the gene, just because you have a genetic snip does not mean that that is your future.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (07:13.438)
It's your tendencies. And I like to look at MTHFR and these types of things as a disadvantage, not necessarily as a diagnosis or something. And if people do it, sometimes they see reports from other labs and they see a bunch of reds and yellows and they kind of freak out with it. And that's not necessarily the case.
And some of these variants are sometimes beneficial. So we've actually changed our reports trying to address this particular thing in multiple different ways. We'd switch the color coatings to shades of blue. So it's not so like, my gosh, this is awful. Cause it's not, it's, know, and the knowledge is power. And that's what it comes down to knowledge is power. If we know that your weaknesses and you have a disadvantage in folate or a disadvantage in B12, a disadvantage in
neurotransmitter degradation or something along those lines, we can support those. everything, you most of the stuff is, is modifiable lifestyle diet. we can improve these things and mitigate the risks. So I'd really just harp on that knowledge is power when it comes to that, even with APOE, cause a lot of times people, don't, I don't want to know my Alzheimer's risk. Well, if you do, you can take the steps needed to really mitigate these.
these risks and I've, I've reversed it in a couple of patients. Like they were, they couldn't remember why they were seeing me. They were calling my office every day, multiple times, cause they were like, why am I seeing? Couldn't remember why. And the things we were doing, they stopped calling. you know, every once a week they started calling and they stopped altogether and now they're fine. So knowledge is power is how I like to address that.
Freddie Kimmel (08:38.378)
Mmm.
Freddie Kimmel (08:59.698)
Yeah, yeah, it's what you do with that information. So let me ask you this, there's many companies on on the marketplace that are offering this service. Now I feel like I see one a week that is popping up.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (09:02.51)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (09:12.876)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (09:14.836)
What is the big difference that you have done with your company, your machine, and your labs that sets MaxGen Labs apart from the other people in the space?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (09:27.202)
Well, we were the first, like I said, to, to market data privacy. So we don't sell data on the backend. I don't, we have probably a thousand spongebobs in the system for names. And you got to remember this isn't just cholesterol levels and blood sugar levels. This is your genetic code. It's identifiable. So even if it's sterilized data, it's still your fingerprint. So we really took a lot of energy and financial, you know, into the
dumped a lot of money into this privacy thing. And what sets us really apart, I feel, is a couple things. We actually own the equipment we run. So we are in charge of the maintenance, the primer designs, the chemical quantities we use, the reagents. You what you'll see a lot of these companies that are coming, and we've been around since 2016, 2017, we've been doing this a while. And you see these new companies come on and,
And I'll be honest, it takes a couple of years to really get things right. We've, we've, we screwed up a lot in the beginning. it's part of growing, you know, I mean, we've got things like hammered down now, but the problem is a lot of these labs are outsourcing the data to other labs. Like we mentioned earlier, some are even sending it to China. the problem with that is if you don't have control, the labs are to cut corners. They don't, you don't have control of the quality of the data. And if you're getting bad.
Freddie Kimmel (10:33.791)
Yeah.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (10:54.36)
data, you're going to get bad results. And we don't cut corners with reagents. actually over, we use more reagents than we, than necessary. overly cautious. Everything's up to date on the maintenance, on the machines. If anything starts acting weird, we rerun it and service the machines. we have redundancy in place. have multiple machines now. that's the big one that I'm seeing now is this the outsourcing of data and the quality of data. I'm really concerned about what some of these other people are doing.
what other thing that sets us apart is we designed the reports to be very easy to understand. You know, lot of people were like, how do I implement this? How do I do this? We laid the reports out in order of physiological importance, what to do first, second, third, and people like, what do I don't know what to do? Start with page one. Then move to page two, moved to page three. We even broke it into three sections and, a foundational section, which is really trying to remove.
things that are offending the body, like environmental toxins that people are specifically more sensitive to than others, different foods that they might be more sensitive to, and just trying to remove things that offend the body. And then the core section is the next section. That's when we start giving the body what it needs. We start doing B12 supplementation, folates, phosphatidylcholine, B6s, different things. And then we have an advanced section to kind of mop up anything that's, you know.
Freddie Kimmel (12:13.61)
Mm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (12:23.798)
leftover because you can fix a lot of things. You know, someone can't break down histamine in their diet. They're going to have anxiety. They're going to have, you know, fatigue, migraine, headaches, irregular menstrual cycle things. And we prioritize that in the beginning because that can manifest in so many different ways. And you're throwing medication at it. You're throwing and you, know, a lot of people, they just check MTHFR. There's a lot of stuff you gotta do before you start monkeying around with folate. so it's
Freddie Kimmel (12:25.172)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (12:51.359)
Yeah.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (12:53.534)
That's kind of what we've done. feel like that separates us apart as that. And since we control the machines, we can control the turnaround time. So we're right around seven days right now from when we get the samples. So we're extremely fast. Yeah, trying to do things the right way and it's paid off. know, the consumers, think, understand that and we have an extremely good reputation. We get a ton of referrals. That's actually, we're basically all referral based. But you do a good job.
Freddie Kimmel (13:05.918)
Incredible.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (13:22.484)
you know, it'll pay off and it's paid off.
Freddie Kimmel (13:24.586)
Yeah.
That's, you know, the other thing I just, I'll speak to give your team a little shout out is that I've been around your booth at a couple of the big events across the United States and your team is just so sweet and lovely. And everybody that I spoke to had a personal experience where something in their life, be it a child who was on an autistic spectrum or somebody who was dealing with post-cancer treatment or high cholesterol, everybody had a personal experience where the very similar story.
I had bed loss in the woods. And finally, for the first time in my life, I had a clarity step moving forward. And this is where I'm at today. Here's where my kids at today. It was really, it was really lovely. And everybody was so grounded and human. I never felt like anybody was trying to sell me anything. And I just deeply appreciate that energetics.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (14:16.824)
Yeah, I have a great team right now. Great team.
Freddie Kimmel (14:18.974)
Yeah. Yeah, you really do. It's why I was like, I want to get Chad on. I want to get you out on there. Like he's so busy. I was like, wait.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (14:25.966)
Yeah, it's been a year and I'm in the middle of moving. I normally have stuff on these shelves, but we're packing.
Freddie Kimmel (14:30.794)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (14:37.318)
Yeah, life happens when you are trying to run a next level optimization company. Can we go through just a couple terms? Because again, you know, I, I'm in this world and sometimes I get confused when we're talking about DNA. We're talking about is that's the molecule that carries genetic information into your cells and our genes.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (14:43.459)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (15:03.966)
Like our genes are specific segments of DNA that contain instructions for development function for growth, reproduction of the body. Do I have that right?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (15:13.9)
Yeah, yeah, I like to refer to the DNA as like a recipe book, you know, that your family handed you. You know, like my mom has this recipe book that came from her grandmother, you or my grandmother. And each gene is like a recipe in the book, like an apple pie or a pumpkin pie. And then each of the ingredients and the steps of the recipe.
Freddie Kimmel (15:22.207)
Yes.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (15:41.768)
is the different parts of the variants that we're looking at in the genes. So any little change in the variant or change in the ingredients is going to change the outcome of the pie. my mom's pumpkin pie is the best you'll ever have. I mean, I'll put it up against anybody, but her apple pie is terrible. I wouldn't feed it. So that's her strengths and her weaknesses. And you can see that from the recipe by reading the recipe book. And that's basically what we're doing with genetics.
Freddie Kimmel (15:58.667)
Okay.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (16:10.776)
That's how I kind of like to describe it.
Freddie Kimmel (16:12.552)
Yeah. if we could tell me if I get any of these wrong, an allele, an allele is spelled A L L E L E. That's a variant form of a gene. So that's a different sequence in your DNA. So that's going to account for that, you know, my eye color versus my brother's, a genetic trait. It's why I express the way I do. Is that correct?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (16:36.942)
The allele is just referring to the nucleotide base that's there, like an A, C, T, or G. So the allele can be wild type, which is found in nature the most, or a variant. So allele can go either way. But allele is that letter, A, C, T, or G, A, C, or G.
Freddie Kimmel (16:51.732)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (16:59.22)
I'm gonna, let me do this first and then give me your, would you explain, again, we're having a cup of coffee. How would you explain to me my snip, my single nucleotide polymorphism?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (17:12.494)
So a polymorphism or a SNP is when we change the allyl. So we call that a SNP, or polymorphism, or a polymorphic SNP. So the allyl can change. So someone might have an A, and it'll change to a G. So that's changing the instruction or the ingredient in that recipe. And that may change the function of that enzyme or protein or pumpkin pie.
Freddie Kimmel (17:42.195)
Yeah. And so the way I would normally explain this through a story is, and it's why I want to shake my fist at the internet when I see somebody telling me or that I need like this methylated compound or this supplement, because from my understanding, my snips are going to impact how I respond to a drug or a supplement, or my susceptibility to an environmental factor. And that's nuanced, right? That's why.
We, that's why, because we have this powerful information, this knowledge, which we said in the beginning, that's why we want to have this in the conversation. Would you, would you join with me on that? Yep. Let's go. Let's go. I just, for, for me, it's money, right? I'm so frugal when I talk about health, I don't want to waste my money. I don't, you know, I don't want to say, well, maybe I can buy it and, you know, try it for 90 days. And I may really, am I really a
Chad Yarbrough, DC (18:19.618)
go.
Freddie Kimmel (18:38.122)
good judge of the changes in my physiology based on one supplement with all these other variants? I don't think I have that discernment because I'm so easily influenced by everything. I think it's a smarter way to go get your car serviced. guess it's like, if you have a foreign car, you're going to take that Porsche to a Porsche dealer. You can't go to just any mechanic.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (19:00.174)
Thank
Right. Yeah. And just, just because you have a snip or a variant doesn't mean you need to supplement anything. Like I truly believe I trained under Walter Schmidt and I love that guy to death. Rest in peace, buddy. He, he always told us was like, you need to have two indications before giving a supplement. And I think he's right. And an indication could be a genetic step like MTHFR, but you need to have something else like a lab or a symptom.
So if someone's depressed, they have low mood, and they have MTHFR, let's try some methylfolate. Or let's run the labs and see. You've got to have two. That's my reports. We bring in symptoms almost to every page of the report. if you have these, and then supplement with this, or run these labs.
So it's kind of a confusing world we live in when it comes to this. It's kind of the Wild West still.
Freddie Kimmel (20:02.58)
Yeah, and do you train practitioners how to use maxgen? there a training program?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (20:09.72)
We're working on one. We'll work directly with the practitioner, go through, we have some physicians on staff and practitioners on staff to do physician training. Just one-on-one. We'll offer two three for free and just to get them kind of up to speed. But really, when it comes to this stuff, just read the report. The report is broken down beautifully to explain exactly what's going on. But I know under physicians, kind of, we have to learn quick and do it quick.
Freddie Kimmel (20:21.28)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (20:37.814)
and all the data is on the back end too, on the back of the report were broke down real quick. So, I mean, if I'm looking at one, I don't really do consulting anymore, but if I'm looking at one, I'll just flip to the back page and just look at all the variants and it breaks down what each one does and what you're gonna see in that patient. But we're working on an actual training program. So we'll get it up hopefully by the end of the year.
Freddie Kimmel (20:57.663)
Yeah.
Wonderful. Yeah, I just ask because it's I have found that again within the the bell curve of human beings you're gonna need people that just need to be Handheld through every piece of it and it needs to be delivered In a fashion they they might not get it from reading it because it's a new it's almost like wow It's kind of feels like I'm looking at French for the first time Well, I know that word and I know that one but the complete picture is not landing in my knowing
Chad Yarbrough, DC (21:25.422)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (21:29.704)
yet. Yeah.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (21:31.822)
I think the best way to do it is to run one on yourself and then have a consult call with one of our providers and go through it. If you learn on yourself, you're going to learn, you're more interested. And that's kind of how I research stuff too. I have my genetics pulled up and I'm going back and forth. It keeps me motivated to keep learning. So I think that's a good way to learn is yourself and your family.
and work with us on that. And we'll get some training modules up soon that hit big targets, big topics like histamine and hormones. It's coming. Dude, it's so overlooked. It's so overlooked. it's so, you've got to deal with histamine before you start messing with folates. Anything that's stimulating the immune system or offending it.
Freddie Kimmel (22:02.09)
Hmm, man the histamine one is big.
It's so big right now.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (22:18.08)
is going to slow down the citric acid cycle. Your healing is going to slow down. So you really need to address histamine and remove things that are offending your body first. I truly believe that.
Freddie Kimmel (22:29.34)
Is there a complimentary blood test or a lab that you'd to have an understanding about histamine that goes well with the genetic report?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (22:37.664)
Some people like to look at tryptase. They like to look at whole blood histamines. I typically don't. I'd rather look at symptoms because if someone has the variants on it.
it's they're pretty, pretty accurate on whether someone's going to have issues or not. And then they typically will see the symptom list and like, my God, this is me. And you're like, yep, we don't really need to follow up labs. Let's just, let's remove, let's modify the diet. And then, you know, the thing with that too is the histamine containing foods are like fermented foods like kimchi and kombucha. And this is stuff that people are drinking and eating, trying to help improve the microbiome, the microbiome in their stomach.
Freddie Kimmel (22:57.621)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (23:19.158)
And if you're drinking these fermented foods, you're going to flare that up so bad. That's me. get, I get kind of tingly when I drink kombucha. It's, it's not, those individuals cannot drink it. So, they're told by mainstream functional medicine to eat these things. So it's huge.
Freddie Kimmel (23:27.456)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (23:31.327)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (23:36.179)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's really as a situation where we're in a world where patient know thyself is so important. And I think that's the direction of the path to greatest improvement right now is, to know yourself and to take radical ownership of some of these things, because, you know, it's, it's hard, all the variables to have someone do it for you.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (23:56.195)
Yeah.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (24:01.656)
Yeah, you've got to treat the patient who has the disease, not the condition or disease that the patient has.
Freddie Kimmel (24:08.244)
Yeah. Yeah. And let me ask you this before we, we do you, let me ask you this, Chad. I said, sent you over my, my partner's, a genetic report, which we ran through MaxGen for Cynthia. Do you, do you have that pulled up? Amazing. Before we go there, thank you, Cynthia, for allowing us to talk about your report. We're just going to make, we're going to make a couple, visits to this. We're going to, we're going to pull little data. We're going to have a conversation that expands.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (24:22.166)
I do, I do.
Freddie Kimmel (24:37.472)
using one of your reports because I think that's where the true value is. Before we do that, again, within the marketplace, there's lots of, I'd call it marketing. It's like, well, we report on 100 snips, we report on 500, we report on 5,000. How many snips can we look at today? And which ones are scientifically validated? Like, is there a range of like where the science exists today? Because
I think sometimes we find people overreaching. There's not enough research, but we're making a claim around a certain genetic snip at this point.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (25:14.35)
That's actually a good thing to talk about. So there is a lot of people that are like, we checked 30,000 genes, 600,000 genes, or full genome sequencing. Majority of those do absolutely nothing. There's no research behind it. There's even some labs saying these are experimental. Well, if they're experimental, they would have been in the research already. We have some pretty good research out there where we've done.
whole genome testing on a lot of people. The only time that these really expanded panels really come into play is if you've got an ultra rare variant that we've may never have seen before. And if you're going down that rabbit hole, you're going to spend over a thousand dollars to get that done correctly. mean, 11, 12, $1,300, if not six or 7,000. And if someone has an ultra rare variant like that, you're going to know.
when they're a kid. They're going to get caught by the pediatrician. They're going to go ahead and run full genetic sequencing back then. So yeah, right now I don't think more is better necessarily unless you're dealing with a failure to thrive case when the kid's like two days old, three days, five days old. But when you're looking at from a functional medicine standpoint or, you know, trying just to improve people's health,
Freddie Kimmel (26:28.757)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (26:36.514)
We only look at about 200, 220 SNPs that we've documented and have researched to prove. And the other thing, there's a lot of SNPs too that get passed down together. So they're in linkage. So you'll see people, we checked 20 SNPs within DAO. There's only like three or four that really occur individually. The others passed down at the same. So there's really no reason to check all of them.
So we just narrow it down to the ones you really need to look at that have validated research behind them. So yeah, mean 200, 300 probably right now I feel like.
Freddie Kimmel (27:11.871)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (27:17.736)
Yeah, I actually, and within the, within the biological blueprint, you know, I really, I focus on like the top seven or eight and it's usually the MTHFR, the comp genes, the C Y P, the GST one and GST TT one. And, and then I just, find people get a lot of value from just those and starting that conversation. yeah. Yeah. What are your thoughts around that?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (27:41.166)
extremely.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (27:45.102)
No, those are the biggies. Those are the big ones. know, there's a lot of big ones. The glutathione snips are massive. The folate snips are massive. yeah, absolutely. You're gonna get an incredible result looking at just those six or seven.
Freddie Kimmel (28:01.149)
Yeah. You know, my big aha moment is that for a long time when I was working really primarily 99 % was in the world of chronic illness and Lyme and mold because that's what I was. That was my, that was my cross. was carrying around, choosing to carry around for many years is that I would see people in the same moldy sick house. And you have one guy that has Alzheimer's like symptoms or can't walk.
Everybody else in the family is relatively fine. They've all been breathing in the same level of toxicant and the same thing with Lyme. I kept seeing this again and again. It would have one child failure to launch, couldn't go to high school anymore. Other two kids are fine. They're in college. And if we tested the family, everybody had Lyme. Everybody in that household, it was that body, the milieu, that fish bowl that was expressing.
an incredibly challenging time handling that infection or that biological burden from the environment. And for me, I was just like, what, this is where this needs to come into the conversation.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (29:09.976)
Yeah, we're adding that in. A lot of that's based off of some of the HLA types. we're working it into the report right now. That's kind of my top priority at the moment, is getting that launched. I've already designed it. We've got the primers. We've got sample data in.
If you've got some patients that do you want to throw, I could use some sample client data on some people who are really sensitive. But that's true. The HLA typing makes people overly sensitive to mold, overly sensitive to Lyme, Bartonella, those types of things, as well as the Marcones and the nose infection, all those two. They're all the same relative gene location, how you get rid of these toxins and handle these biotoxins.
Freddie Kimmel (29:56.865)
Yeah, I do have people. I'm gonna send some people. I'm gonna be sending people your way.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (30:01.14)
Yeah, let's talk after this about it. I got some really cool stuff up my sleeve coming.
Freddie Kimmel (30:05.044)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (30:08.69)
Amazing, amazing and needed. That's really, yeah, really, really helpful just to touch on that. And then the last thing I want to go before we just talk about a report a little bit. Can we expand a little bit on this conversation of the epigenetic influence or the epigenome? hear this a lot, the environment's impact on gene expression. How does that come into play and how do you...
How do you start that conversation with people in that education process?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (30:39.886)
So pretty much everything you do is essentially epigenetic. And a lot of people, they're like, I don't do genetic testing because it's all about epigenetic. Well, yeah. But what epigenetic factors are going to matter the most in that patient? That's what the genetics is going to tell you. The genetics essentially loads the gun. It's the epigenetics that pulls the trigger. And I guess methylation is kind of the safety switch on the gun.
Freddie Kimmel (30:43.488)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (31:04.299)
So that's kind how I like to look at it, but the epigenetic stuff is definitely what we're modifying based off genetics. So the lifestyle, the environment, and the cool thing about our reports and genetics in general, feel like, is it brings up the conversation of, you know, food dyes, food additives, mold, things that people may not really be aware of. And it brings it to their, okay, I might need to modify that.
Freddie Kimmel (31:11.797)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (31:28.96)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (31:33.656)
factor. But yeah, in my opinion, epigenetics is pretty much everything. Everything that we do.
Freddie Kimmel (31:38.857)
Yeah, would join. I would join with you in that. Let's flip over and talk about this report a little bit. And let's say, let's say I'm Cynthia and we bust open this guy and start the conversation here and just say, okay, here's what I see. Here's where you may want to look and walk us through this a little bit.
Freddie Kimmel (32:05.438)
And we can just pick three or four talking points.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (32:08.738)
We might wanna do that, cause it could be an hour or two hour walkthrough on the.
Freddie Kimmel (32:14.356)
Yeah, pick two or three walking points where you say, this could be really helpful.
Freddie Kimmel (32:25.768)
I can tell you where I'm fascinated by some of these.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (32:29.048)
Yeah, let's talk. Let's start there. Tell me what's fascinating you and then we'll.
Freddie Kimmel (32:33.266)
Well, I love the it is at page seven. I love the conversation around fats. So understanding dietary habits and their underlying genetic influence that are going to be related to the fats we use. so on Cynthia's report, the HDL cholesterol, monosaturated fats, and it kind of walks us through here, like how these different lipid molecules impact overall health.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (33:01.454)
That that's important to the thing that I like to really focus on is is in the fats and inflammation is, know, we break down fats into different types of immune chemicals like leukotrienes and prostaglandins. She's actually not that bad, but some of these people, you know, are really, really like myself, sensitive to seed oils and omega sixes.
Freddie Kimmel (33:19.488)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (33:29.536)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (33:29.644)
And I know I do extremely well on carnivore diets, like extremely well on it. And if I eat a lot of like other fats, I get kind of puffy and I don't do well on it. But we look at how you're breaking these things down into a mega threes and those actual cytokines. Huge there for inflammation. Cause some of these people just really need extra fish oil. She's kind of in the middle on that.
Freddie Kimmel (33:46.762)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (33:57.748)
I'm full blown. have to have it or I'm not doing too good.
Freddie Kimmel (34:02.152)
Yeah. Yeah. Like I really, it, it was for me, if I was looking at this report and I'm looking at inflammation and fats and I can see here, you know, I've got my, my category on the left-hand side, is chronic inflammation. And then I see my anti-inflammatory foods. And then I see my pro inflammatory foods. for her anti-inflammatory is blueberries, ginger and turmeric, dark chocolate, you know,
olive oil, grass-fed butter, free range eggs, grass-fed beef, wild caught fatty fish and broccoli. Whereas her sugar, vegetable oils, fried foods, wheat flour, dairy, is this, is this tailored to her? Or are we just listing those as typical anti-inflammatory and pro-inflammatory foods within the diet?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (34:53.218)
That's just typical. That's just a standard. Yeah. To kind of bring it to people's attention. Okay. I might want to eat these. You'll see throughout my reports, you'll see, like I said, symptoms, but you'll see foods to eat and foods not to eat almost on every page. I'm not trying to sell a supplement. I'm trying to get someone's life back on. Back where it needs to be. I wish my sister would take my advice.
Freddie Kimmel (34:54.738)
I got it.
Freddie Kimmel (35:04.736)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (35:10.624)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (35:17.648)
Well, that's the challenge, right? That's the challenge is bringing, how do you bring the people that we love the most into this? like, man, I wish you would just do this because it would be really great information. Like on her report, I see specifically here fish oil, you you have a mild increased need for omega-3 for neurological health. And so consider eating a little bit of fish in your diet. Also like these omega-6s.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (35:25.518)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (35:43.128)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (35:45.205)
that can be good or bad. says she's normal risk for sensitivity, but it's still advisable to avoid excessive omega-6, which we know that ratio is, want it to be, we want it for most people leaning towards that omega-3.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (36:00.962)
Yeah. And I think this whole debate against seed oils versus animal oils, you who's, who's actually right. And I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. And I think it's genetics that's going to actually pay show ultimately like, okay, these people really do need to avoid seed oils. And these people are actually okay on it. so just add that in there.
Freddie Kimmel (36:07.177)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (36:19.872)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (36:23.496)
Yeah. I mean, I saw again, going through this report, it's like for her, everything it seemed like from inflammation to even the histamine activity. And you guys do a great job at breaking down the cycle of how this is self perpetuating if we're eating the wrong foods and we're not engaging in the right lifestyle practices. but for her, again, it was very mild where, and this, I see this in a restaurant.
Like I can, I have to be so much more sensitive. There's certain nuts, certain seeds. I'm highly sensitive to gluten where she can get away with doing it where the next morning I'll wake up all of my joint pains changed the next day.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (37:06.478)
Yeah, she's not really showing any histamine things, which is good. So I think we see this in about 20 to 30 % of the people will see histamine stuff, which is a big chunk of people running around. But yeah, she should be able to tolerate it well.
Freddie Kimmel (37:12.916)
Yeah. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (37:28.158)
Now I do see, now this is interesting too, because she grew up on a farm in Texas. If I move down to the toxic exposures and I do know that from her history, she'd worked around specific chemicals and pesticides. I do see here where she does have an increased sensitivity to insecticides. Yeah. Talk about this page a little bit.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (37:48.6)
She's got, yeah.
So this is kind of a cool page. Once again, it brings up that discussion with patients that, how clean is your environment? Let's talk about it, especially if she's overly sensitive. So we're looking at different research that shows different immune system molecules changing with exposure to different types of chemicals. Some people are overly sensitive to things, and she's one of them. So she's one that really needs to...
Freddie Kimmel (38:01.523)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (38:22.634)
of really watched like filter her water out.
avoid any kind of like toxic exposures, clean, like personal care products. The EWG has a great list of clean cosmetics to use and some to stay away from. She's not going to break those things down like most people do. So yeah. And a lot of this, I'm not really allowed to say the cancer word, but a lot of this is based off of cancer research that we have. We can't of course say that, but.
Freddie Kimmel (38:40.884)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (38:55.86)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (38:55.918)
Yeah, this is a big, even this Tylenol, she's got an increased sensitivity to Tylenol. And that's all in the news this week as you've seen is RFK is potentially about to point a finger at the spectrum stuff. She's got no go on Tylenol in this case.
Freddie Kimmel (39:10.366)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (39:15.474)
Yeah. Yeah. Really. yeah, again, challenging conversation to have when, belief becomes dogmatic. But from my understanding, there is research here to res support, you know, why some of these over the counter and sads might not be ideal given your blueprint, right?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (39:36.91)
I mean, we've been, I've been saying this since 2016, 2017. This is not new. This is not new data. It's just now coming to the public light.
Freddie Kimmel (39:42.612)
Yeah. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (39:48.402)
Yeah. So talk to me a little bit more. Where do you see that? Tell me what's indicated and why would Tylenol be so bad for somebody like Cynthia with her genetic blueprint.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (39:55.638)
you
So I'm not up to speed on all the statistics, but I do know Tylenol is one of the leading causes of liver failure and actually puts a lot of people in the hospital every year. And they recommend this to kids that, know, early, early age. What it does is we have a CYP gene that breaks down Tylenol. And what you'll see is the CYPs, the problems are when they're fast, when they speed up and they create these toxic intermediates in between.
Freddie Kimmel (40:09.472)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (40:29.174)
phase one and phase two liver detox. These toxic intermediates are bad. So if CYP is breaking things down really fast and creating a lot of these toxic intermediates in phase two, which would be like methylation or MTHFR is slow, you're gonna get a pool of lot of toxic intermediates that's causing all kinds of havoc in the body.
So she's got most likely, I think we look at two or three different genes that have to do with acetaminophen toxicity. But what happens is you break it down fast and you create this toxic intermediate called NAPQI. And that's what causes all the liver damage. It depletes glutathione. It just burns through glutathione. So if you have to take, like I had to take, I had a really bad neck injury and I was out for a long time and I was on,
Freddie Kimmel (41:04.117)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (41:20.16)
a narcotic that contained Tylenol. So I knew to take NAC and I knew to take glutathione while I taking that Tylenol. I had no choice. So I hopefully protected my liver as best I can. If you go to the hospital for Tylenol or acetaminophen toxicity, they're going to give you NAC. So I'm just taking it prophylactically anyway. But that's what happens. You just break it down and you create this toxic intermediate and it just destroys your liver.
Freddie Kimmel (41:22.933)
Mm.
Freddie Kimmel (41:50.741)
Yeah.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (41:50.766)
And that same pathway has been associated with the spectrum. And there's actually a study, I think, from the University of Arkansas that I cited, know, it's 10-year-old study. It's not a good study. It's not. I'll preface it with that. But they interviewed parents of spectrum kids, and there was a significant correlation to the parents who gave Tylenol to the kids in spectrum disorder and diagnosis.
Freddie Kimmel (42:16.616)
Yeah, yeah, it's putting the pieces together of the puzzle and then again, applying it and seeing how that expression plays out in behavior, in sleep, in energy, in functionality. And again, I think if you, you've had enough experience working with people and seeing them move through application of this information. And I guess that's, that'd be my other question for you is like, what do you see when people follow these recommendations and we can take something like
You know, maybe it's optimizing your vitamin C so you're better dealing with histamines, but maybe it's doing something like supplementing and supporting vitamin D levels because you have a genetic variant that reduces your ability to ensure your body is converting it from the sun.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (43:09.742)
Are you asking me kind of what we see in the results? Man, I'm going to be honest, you get kind of desensitized to it because you're kind of blown away at first like, now you just expect it to work. But I mean, I've seen kids, we have people write in all the time. We've seen a kid come off of seven medications. We've had people lose 150 pounds, 100 pounds.
Freddie Kimmel (43:12.308)
Yeah, that's right.
Freddie Kimmel (43:26.047)
Hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (43:37.71)
anxiety goes away, has, early onset dementia is no longer a thing. The list goes on and on and these just MTHFR alone.
There's over 400 methyl transferase enzymes that require SAMe and methylation. So you never really know how it's going to manifest to be quite honest. That's why I'm always harping on treating the patient, not necessarily the symptom or the disease that the patient has, because you never know what's going to fix it or what these things are going to cause down the road. You just never know really. But I mean, I could sit here and just ramble on and on about what we've accomplished.
Freddie Kimmel (44:23.152)
Do you have, yeah, without doing any names, do you have something that's really sticking out in your head that you're like, this one family, this is what happened for the kid. I love it. I love a personal story.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (44:33.742)
I've got, I had a friend Tyler and I probably shouldn't have his name, Sean. So Sean, he came, he had the MTHFRC 677 and he was okay to take methylfolate because we look at a lot of other genes before we start recommending methylfolate because you can over stimulate people and really.
Freddie Kimmel (44:40.138)
Let's call him Sean.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (44:58.798)
put people in a bad place if you do it the wrong way, which all that's algorithms are built into our protocol. So you have very little risk of, of causing issues with people. But he called me the same day as his first dose and was like, Hey, how fast can this work? I'm like, well, what do you mean? Like you feel better? He's like, yeah, I feel like I'm in more control of my thought processes and my emotions. And I'm like, yeah, it can be the same day because it's absolutely the same day.
And he started following the diet recommendations and doing everything. And I remember we went to my buddy's wedding in Florida and we're all on the beach kind of hanging out, you know, and he takes his shirt off. Freddie, he was jacked. We're all like, are you, are you on steroids, bud? Like, what do you, and I'm like, you've got to be sticking something, man. Like I was like, no, man, I'm just been.
I've been doing what the report says. I've been eating clean. I'm like, bro, you have a six pack. Like what is going? He's like, I swear to you. He's like, I feel great. I've been working out. And I'm like, okay, you're, you're shredded. Um, that's a cool story. I had another one. We kind of mentioned her earlier. I love talking about this one. She, she was a 50 like early fifties, early onset dementia, the one that was calling my office every day.
Freddie Kimmel (46:28.245)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (46:28.942)
I'm like, why am I seeing Dr. Yarborough? am I? And she had a bunch of detox pathways that were just messed up. And I'm like, ooh, this is rough. And we did a urine test for environmental chemicals. And it was off the charts on all this stuff. Like, my gosh, this woman has no chance here. So we put her in a sauna. We started treating her specifically to those pathways. And her calling stopped.
every other day and once a week. And we were kind of monitoring her progression based off how often she was calling the front desk. And after a couple months, and this woman had been to Mayo Clinic, she had been to Vanderbilt and they just said, go home and make arrangements. And I think we had her back almost normal within two or three months just with targeted detoxification and we cleaned up her environment and got her in a sauna. I mean, that's crazy.
And I can't tell you how many fertility cases we've got running around here. It's just wild.
Freddie Kimmel (47:27.326)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (47:36.801)
Yeah, yeah, amazing here. Let's just hit the, let's just talk about, because I just, think this is also fascinating. Her specific, I think it's page 16, her MTHFR folate pattern. And so we could just maybe make some notes here on things that would be, again, unique to this genetic report and how new ones might come into play with designing a program.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (48:05.27)
Yeah, let's do that for sure. Because our MTHFR and folate and B12 pages, I think, are second to none. So yeah, everyone knows MTHFR. That's what converts or creates methylfolate. If you look there on the right, we look at the absorption of folate. We look at the entire pathway. Because you can have MTHFR, but you can have upstream variants too that are going to make this even worse.
And even some people who don't have MTHFR may still have folate problems because they're not absorbing it. And the same for B12. But we're looking at the intestine absorptional here. She's actually got a little issue with the absorption of folates, which is semi kind of rare. We don't see that that often, but that's kind of a biggie.
Freddie Kimmel (48:47.296)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (48:56.248)
may need to take a lot more of it just to get it in. And sometimes you can do even IVs of it if it's real bad. Her cell transport proteins are okay. The two enzymes that are upstream from MTHFR are intermediate. She has yellow there, so she does have one copy of a variant. So those are potentially a little slower, so that's gonna compound the MTHFR issue that she's got.
And she's compound MTHFR. she's, I think like around a 40 % reduction in activity there, maybe 50 % reduction. But when you combine these others, she may have even more. She's highly likely to be sensitive to methylfolate. So this is a complicated case. So we look at a bunch of other SNPs to kind of determine if someone's going to react negatively to methylfolate. As you know,
Freddie Kimmel (49:39.358)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (49:54.478)
I've given methylfolate when I first started this, I, you know, you just check an MTHFR and I gave a kid methylfolate and he punched a TV, cussed out a cop, got arrested. And I was like, oops, that might've been my bad. Cause if you give methylfolate to some people, they can have anger issues. They can get really upset and you
gotta kind of try to predict those with some of the other variants. And this is a case where she might not do very well with methylfolate. So in those types of cases, you can do folinic acid. It's a little lesser stimulating form of folate that's easily to get over the counter. It's a great product. Or you can even do other things to lower the demand on it. So phosphatidylcholine or creatine even. I love creatine. I take it every day.
If you react negatively to methylfolate, creatine might be your savior. This really sensitive individuals do really well on it. Even phosphatidylcholine. So that's where hers reports looking at to me. I'd start with some folinic acid, some creatine, after she's done everything previous in the report. She's got, I mean, this isn't going to fix those sensitivities to those environmental toxins that she's got. She has to.
probably do a really heavy detox, probably would feel really good after a good solid detox. And she may even wanna take, like I have some of those too, and I prophylactically take like a mild detox pill every day just to support those pathways daily. That's something she might wanna do too.
Freddie Kimmel (51:40.626)
And when you say a mild detox pill, what are you referring to like a bind some sort of a binder?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (51:45.358)
I do really well. Like, Zymogen has a pill. can't remember what it's for, but they use it in some of their detox programs. I just take it one or two a day prophylactically, and I seem to do really well on it. You know? Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (51:58.593)
Great, I'll look that up. I'll look that up. Yeah, super helpful. You mentioned that people do have the opportunity to get on with somebody of the team and walk through a report. What does that look like through MaxGenLabs?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (52:12.886)
You'd have to ask one of the practitioners. don't know. Right, don't do, we're not currently doing like consumer reviews. We're considering doing consumer reviews, mainly physician will go through and kind of help them interpret and plan a case, you know, a plan of action, what to do, answer any questions they may have. I think they're about an hour long. So if you have a practitioner that goes through it, come with questions.
Freddie Kimmel (52:14.944)
Hahaha!
Freddie Kimmel (52:23.7)
Okay?
Freddie Kimmel (52:41.226)
Great, well, she's a physician's assistant. so I do think she really appreciates the pathway, the toxicology, the pharmacokinetics. She wants to understand the mechanism of action when she's looking at something like this. So I do think it would be really helpful.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (52:44.622)
Great.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (52:54.414)
Yeah. Yeah. Debbie, have a, Debbie would be great for her to do a review with. And Debbie's awesome too. She's great. She loves doing this stuff. She loves it. She loves teaching. So we have really good people there too.
Freddie Kimmel (53:09.952)
Great, well, we'll set that up. We'll set that up. It's really helpful to go through this chat. it's just, again, I want to implore people if this isn't something you've done yet, the report is beautifully laid out. It's color coded. There's images, there's infographics. The pathway is, again, color coded so you can understand kind of like where there's a green light and it's going to move through that pathway where it might slow down with a little bit of a yellow. Yeah.
really easy to follow from my understanding.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (53:40.59)
Yeah, she's got some hormone issues too.
Freddie Kimmel (53:44.852)
Great, well we're gonna get around with Debbie. I'm gonna set her loose. She's gonna come with some questions.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (53:50.094)
Yeah, she needs to. This is tough one.
Freddie Kimmel (53:55.563)
Great. She's a gem. I can't wait. All right, Cynthia, you're being called out of the show. Let me ask you, just because we're at our hour here, I wanna be mindful of your time.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (54:03.113)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (54:11.892)
I want to talk about lifestyle factors and given the report, what are some consistencies if you had a magic wand for people to change as far as lifestyle behaviors that you see the big needle movers and some of these pathways? Is there anything that comes to mind or jumps out for you?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (54:31.808)
Right now I'm looking at hers and she's the toxic stuff. I think what it's so easy for people to see this as an MTHFR and give methylfolate. I think one of the biggest needle movers and one of the most important things we can do with individuals, especially with genetics like hers, is to try to remediate the environment of pollution, toxic chemicals.
That's such a huge thing to me, feel like, because these things mess things up downstream so bad. Smoking, you if you look at the research that we're looking at, smoking is almost in every paper. If someone's still smoking, stop. We try to give people recommendations on how to stop based off of genetics too, because it's such an important thing to stop. It just messes up so many of the CYPs, so much of the detoxification.
And the detoxification I think is just massive right now, because there's hundreds of thousands of chemicals getting added every year that's not tested. It's proven safe until proven otherwise. These things are messing us up left and right. And with her specifically, with that fast CYP with the hormone degradation for estrogens, and she has a slow COMT is what the methylation pathway that breaks that down.
Freddie Kimmel (55:34.144)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (55:53.824)
Her hormones are probably all over the place with estrogens, very sensitive, highly reactive estrogens. So even her, like her estrogen levels are normal doc is just going to look normal, but she needs an advanced like Dutch panel now, because this stuff causes so many issues like later in life. Yeah, that's, that's the biggest thing I think right now is just.
slow down and look at the environment and try to live as clean as we possibly can before you start trying to throw vitamins and minerals and stuff at people.
Freddie Kimmel (56:29.416)
Yeah. Well, luckily she lives with me and we do weekly full body lymphatic drainage. have a beautiful sauna at the house. We have great oxidative support, whether it's molecular hydrogen or we have a nano V, you know, we've got an ozone machine, you know, it's pretty high level. do pulse electromagnetic field. We have a full body red light panel. she's very strong, very physically active.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (56:44.91)
Great.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (56:55.63)
Great.
Freddie Kimmel (56:59.006)
completely organic household. You know, we eat clean, we do castor oil packs. So I think we're, you know, I would say we're, in the one percentile as far as what is the daily application. It's a practice at the household, right? I love this term. It's, it's a, this is a rhythm that we're creating. It is not a sprint. We're not going to do this in a week. You're not going to do that.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (57:16.365)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (57:24.692)
call hoo-ha on any type of a juice cleanse. There isn't a cleanse in two weeks. It's a lifestyle. This is the long game, right? We want to go for the long game. So it's the daily practices that we do consistently that are going to be the big, big, big needle movers in life. And that's what I, that's what I see in people. And that's what I've seen in my story. You know, I, I love all this stuff, but I, I also, I don't talk about it for a sponsorship.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (57:30.915)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (57:40.525)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (57:51.518)
or an affiliate link, I talk about it because I practice it it's worked for me.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (57:55.17)
Yeah, you're right. It's not just taking a pill. What supplementing is turning into is just taking a pill for something. My test is not designed to sell supplements like a lot of our competitors are. This is a lifestyle change.
Freddie Kimmel (58:13.106)
Yeah, I always tell people just take pause if somebody's telling you the test and then they're selling you the same solution out of the same umbrella that it's really hard to not be influenced by that biased very, it's just human, you know, that's our psyche. The incentive model is not going to be your friend in this sandbox, if you will.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (58:33.678)
Yeah, correct. I agree. And people ask me all the time, why don't you sell supplements? like, I don't want to get that reputation really. I don't mean either. I know what we do well and we do it well and we'll stick to it.
Freddie Kimmel (58:42.314)
I don't want that headache.
Freddie Kimmel (58:49.108)
beautiful. So your last question, Chad, you know, what is it you've seen, you see people that come in and they've hit a stumbling block, they've fallen down, they're a little bit broken. And this is the beautifully broken podcast, putting the pieces back together. What does it mean to you to be beautifully broken?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (59:10.85)
I think it's humbling, you know, when you accept it and realize where you are and where you stand in it and you have to make a change. And when you make that change and you see the reward, I think is the beauty in it to me.
Freddie Kimmel (59:26.206)
Hmm. Beautiful. Beautiful. Thank you for being a guest on the beautifully broken podcast. We will, we will give people, can find the link to max gen genetics report. What are, what are reports costs these days?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (59:32.526)
Thanks for having me.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (59:41.93)
Between 200 and 350 with payment plans. have family discounts. So roughly that's your range.
Freddie Kimmel (59:50.184)
And what's the value of doing like the all-in high level versus the bass package?
Chad Yarbrough, DC (59:55.598)
The bigger panels gives you the dietary recommendations. We started off with the max function, which is our functional mid panel, which is all the detox, all that stuff. And we have a food panel, which is the dietary and lifestyle stuff. So I really recommend the big one so you get all of it together. But some people, they just want to see the detox pathways and that's why we have the max function.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:21.704)
Amazing. just the last question, I have a test. It's on the table behind me. I'm going to run mine. And is there anything I need to do as far as prepping to collect a sample? Nope.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:00:33.902)
So just don't eat, eat, don't eat for an hour, wash your mouth out. Make sure you swab this cheek and not the other one. I don't like getting colored swabs in the mail.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:41.61)
Yep.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:45.438)
Yeah. Chad pointed to his mouth. Yes. Just so we're all clear on that.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:00:50.722)
right here.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:52.764)
Amazing, amazing. Thank you for giving us some time today, Chad. I appreciate you.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:00:58.208)
thanks, Jimmy or Freddie. Did I really do that?
Freddie Kimmel (01:01:01.162)
That's all right. We're going to leave it because Jimmy is so... Do you want to know what though? Do you want to know what? I bet I have started out 15 podcasts and people say, Jimmy, because Jimmy Kimmel, it's just, it's in the news. Talk about a program that is running. I love it. No, it's good. It's good. I love it. Thank you, Chad.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:01:18.862)
Man, I'm embarrassed. All right. mean, Freddie's kind of like Jimmy. I'm Freddie, Jimmy, almost.
Freddie Kimmel (01:01:26.465)
It's close, but it's marketed over the, you're gonna hear that on every time Jimmy Kimmel's mentioned on ABC. Totally good. Big love, man. Out. That's it.
Chad Yarbrough, DC (01:01:36.366)
Ready, camera. All right, buddy. See you soon.
