A Nobel Prize Discovery and Doubling Life Expectancy with Chris Burres

Some may call him a mad scientist but don't let the lab coat fool you! Chris has an extensive background in a diverse range of areas including Mechanical Engineering, Comedy Improv Artist, Oil and Gas Explosives and Competitive Soccer to name a few.

He's also the co-host of the most popular internet marketing podcast on iTunes since 2009.

When Chris realized a Nobel Prize-Winning chemical tested by NASA had been proven to almost double the lifespan of mammals, he decided to make ESS60 into a household name. He's now on a mission to help people live longer, healthier and pain-free lives one dose at a time.

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Episode Highlights

• 1:26 - How did Chris get started in health and wellness?
• 2:56 - The single longest living longevity experiment on mammals known to man
• 8:01 - Chris tells us about C60
• 15:14 - Do rat experiments really apply to humans?
• 17:45 - The benefits of adding C60 to your diet
• 28:58 - Healing your body through enhancing your sleep
• 31:55 - Learning why are decisions are not based only on scientific data
• 35:41 - How does C60 work inside your body?
• 38:38 - How to incorporate C60 into your life
• 42:34 - QC and where to go to get a good sample

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (00:00.078)
One of the interesting things is I'll sit at a dinner with somebody and they'll ask me what I do. And I'll like, well, here's what I do. And they're like, just like everyone, well, what are the reported benefits? If I keep telling you more reported benefits, you're gonna doubt me more.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (00:16.227)
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Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (00:50.745)
Ladies and gentlemen, we are live with the beautifully broken podcast. We're here with Chris Burris and we have some amazing topics about health, wellness and something you may never have heard of. We're gonna talk a little bit about bucky balls. Chris, welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Freddie. Thank you for having me on the show. I'm excited to be here. I think we're gonna have a lot of fun and cover a lot of really interesting information. You said before we got started that you kind of heard about this and so I'm excited to kind of give you more details.

Yeah, I mean, it's I want to jump in there, but I also wanted to I just want to let our audience get a little background on you. Can you can you just give us a little let's just dip the toe in the water on how you got started in health wellness supplementation? Sure. So that's such an amazing question, how I got started in health and wellness, because I let me start by saying what I didn't do.

I've been an entrepreneur since really since I was when I was 14, I kind of knew I was going to be an entrepreneur. That's kind of a long story with a little bit of a story. We can get into that at some point. But what I will say is what I didn't do is decide that I wanted to make a lot of money and then think, ah, the supplement industry is where I can go make a lot of money. Let me do that. I also just in general didn't decide that I wanted to kind of save humanity with an amazing product and then go do that.

I'm certainly not opposed to that, but that's not really how I went. Back in 1991, I started a company called SES Research and we're the first company that still exists that delivers carbon nanomaterials. And those are fullerenes and we'll talk about that in a little bit. But really that material was sold to research institutions around the world, like I said, since 1991. And then really in about 2018, this became a supplement.

our sales were going up and I had to make the decision like, was I going to go in and become a supplement guy, which is, know, I'm as skeptical as you and anyone in your audience about, you know, supplements, like in general. Well, that sounds like a fascinating little story. Did you, did you feel like you were personally in the need of an upgrade through your health? And that's why you went looking there. So there's a, there's a lot of people, actually one of our big distributors here in Houston, Gwen, I've done some videos with her. They're out there on YouTube.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (03:12.507)
Her story is more of and would fit directly like beautifully broken where she was broken and didn't want to get out of bed and kind of was experiencing depression like symptoms and all of this stuff. And she became a coach, a wellness practitioner because she was working on fixing herself and gained a lot of knowledge and awareness that probably a lot of people didn't have. And so now that's what she does. I actually wasn't.

trying to fix anything. Like literally this just fell in my lap. In fact, prior to and let's talk about there's a really pivotal study that's really important and it was peer reviewed and published in 2012. And basically they assumed that this material would be toxic. And because they assumed it would be toxic, they also kind of thought that it would be used ubiquitously like everywhere you go. I don't know if you are you familiar with the benzene ring?

No, no, Yeah. the benzene ring is it's, you know, a six sided ring of carbon and hydrogens and it is ubiquitous. It's in plastics. It's in most medicines. It's just all over the place. And when this material and let's go back. I'll kind of go back in just a second. This material is really a 3D. They assumed it was a 3D version of benzene. And so therefore they assumed that it would be toxic.

And because they assumed it would be toxic and they assumed it would be ubiquitous. Again, the reason they assumed it was toxic is because benzene is actually toxic. If you have it around you, you want it in a bottle and secured and put away in general, you don't want it around you. So they assumed it would be toxic. They did this kind of amazing toxicology study and they gave rats water, they gave rats olive oil and they gave rats olive oil with C60. Actually,

We call anything that you would put inside of a mammal or inside of a live being ESS 60. So they gave them olive oil with ESS 60. Instead of being toxic, those rats that they gave ESS 60 in olive oil to lived 90 % longer. And even though they live 90 % longer, none of them had tumors. All of the rats that were given water and these were actually Wister rats. So they're typically known to get tumors. All of them.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (05:31.763)
died at about 32 months and all of them had tumors. The rats that were given ESS-60 and olive oil lived to 62 months. They actually killed the last rat. There were two rats left. When one of those rats died, they were like, okay, it's time to publish. This has now gone 62 months. We're two and a half years over our two and a half year study. it was double kudos to the research for continuing the study. And so they euthanized that last rat. So they lived twice as long, nearly twice as long, and they had no tumors.

That's really how this kind of product accidentally landed in my lap. Incredible. You know, let's sidebar for a second on just animals because the rats get the short end of the stick in these studies. Those often be a study that I'll quote or I'll pull up in here and it's always like a rabbit or a rat or something. And it's just this horrible thing they did to prove the functionality or the validity of some type of new drug or supplement on the poor little rat.

Yeah, no. So, so one, the rats in this study were quite happy. Exactly. They got it. They got an extra two and a half years of life and no tumors. Right. So there's nothing in that study that shows that those rats were, you know, living a bad life. You know, I've had conversations with some people like this, this particular product is like, it's the only thing that's researched by the way, that 90 % extension of life is the single longest longevity experiment on mammals known to man.

Right? So I'm kind of on this quest. Is there another study on mammals that's longer? I've been really looking for two, one and a half to two years and I haven't found it. So I don't think that there's a longer longevity experiment and they didn't have any tumors and something that wasn't noted. You know, a lot of people I talked to like, Hey dude, would you be interested in living longer? Maybe even twice as long and not most, but some people are like, no. And I said, well, what if you had your health, right? What if you were

still young and virile and had lots of energy and could work and play like you do now. And then almost everyone was like, well, in that case, yes, that sounds like a scenario that I would like. And so those rats that lived twice as long, it wasn't noted in the literature that they had a deteriorated life. They were just aged rats and then they died at month 62. I think that's really an important aspect of this potential. By the way, if the average human lives

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (07:53.844)
90 % longer like the rats did in that study. The average human lives to 152. That's incredible. Now, so let's talk a little bit about C60. Okay, so so C60 and again, if you put it in your body, we call that ESS 60 because it's been through the right process to be safe for you. It was discovered here in Houston in 1985 by is actually three scientists, Richard Smalley, Harold Croteau and Robert Curl.

And those three scientists discovered it in 85 and then they won the Nobel Prize for that discovery in 1996. And before my exposure to kind of all of this, I didn't realize that you usually don't win a Nobel Prize that quickly, right? Usually it's 50, 60 years later, they're like, hey, Mr. or Mrs. Johnson, that thing you discovered 50 or 60 years ago, it turns out that it's really important to our society. And so we're going to give you the Nobel Prize. Like I mentioned earlier,

Benzing is ubiquitous. They assumed this spherical molecule. And if you imagine a soccer ball, this is the best way to describe it. If you imagine a soccer ball, the lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the carbon atoms. So you have this spherical molecule of carbon. They assumed because it was like a 3D version of benzene that it was going to be ubiquitous. And so that's why they won the Nobel Prize in such a short period of time, only 11 years.

Have you ever seen a microscopic picture of like, so we're saying this almost looks like a metal cage. Literally, if you were to take the lines on a soccer ball and get rid of the rest of the soccer ball, yeah, you'd have this really it's a geodesic dome. You mentioned Bucky Ball. That name Bucky Ball comes from Buckminster Fuller, who is the gentleman who invented the geodesic dome. So it has that geodesic dome shape. And so it's kind of, you know, it's it's familiar name is Bucky Ball.

the entire collection of molecules, which is C60, C70, C84, and on up, they're called fullerings because of their kind of association with that. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's, can think of it as a metal cage. Because I've also seen like a microscopic picture of like a zeolite clay, right? Which is also something that you would use as like a binder to remove toxins from the body, which is also

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (10:07.669)
It's a sim I'm sure they have completely different properties, but just my head is trying to connect the two. Yeah. So one thing in any, even in the most powerful electron microscope that we have tunneling electron microscope, um, you actually can barely make out the, the, um, the shadow of a C 60 molecule because it's so small. Right. So one way to kind of describe this is you actually can't get much ESS 60 in olive oil.

you can get about 0.8 milligrams per milliliter. So it's really small amount. Maybe a better example is one, almost one gram per liter. So think about putting one gram of sugar, which is next to nothing, right? Into a full liter of milk, right? In this case, the milk is olive oil and the gram is the ESS 60. So barely any goes into there because it actually doesn't dissolve that much. Even with that low solution level,

If you take one drop of ESS-60 in olive oil, it's got four, and I got a calculation, I wrote down 475 times more buckyballs in it than you have cells in your body. my goodness. There's a size comparison for it. Yeah, it's just that small because cells in your body are made of hundreds and thousands of actual molecules, right? This is just one molecule.

It's really got some different properties. And if you think about, okay, you've seen those amazing zoom in views of let's zoom into the bacteria and zoom into the mitochondria or whatever. if you keep zooming to the level that we can, you can just see like, imagine if you were, I don't know, on a one story building looking down at egg cartons and you could kind of make the round shape of the egg carton out. That's like about where we can, as much magnification as we can get.

Incredible. So let's go into some of the properties of this of the C60 and what it can do for the body. Yeah. So if it's okay, I want to start on like where we started as an industry back in 1991. Talk about those products and then we can kind of go through the evolution. Please let's Yeah, let's go there. So it's kind of interesting. So in 1991, I'm still in college, we started this company, we're manufacturing and selling fullerene. And people would ask us, hey, what is a fullerene good for? First, you know, it was hard to

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (12:31.063)
you know, it's a soccer ball, lines, whatever, same kind of explanation. We're like, well, what is it good for? And our kind of running joke was that it was really good for funding. It had just won the Nobel Prize. yeah, it the Nobel Prize in 96. We started in 91. So, it just won the Nobel Prize. And if you were wanting to do research and write a research grant and it was on this magical molecule that just won the Nobel Prize, you were probably going to get funding. That was kind of the joke. The reality is

The Bucky Ball and Fullerenes in general perform as well or better than the current best materials in almost every application. So it makes better ink. It makes better tires. It's great in solar cells. It's great in batteries. know, could, it's interesting. Lithium is fairly expensive. And so is the Bucky Ball. And so, you know, it'll probably replace, we'll probably see Bucky Ball batteries, you know, in the next five to 10 years, just because it's such a good

molecule. It's got sixfold symmetry and you can get a lot of electrons onto the surface of it and it can hold those and then release those without deterioration of the model molecule. Right. We're all familiar with, I got my cell phone on day one. The battery is amazing. And then on month 11, it seems or 12. Now the batteries not now you're now you need to use ABC always be charging in order to have your phone live. And so

That's because of a deterioration in lithium. So the molecule will form really well at that. And again, they assumed it was going to be ubiquitous. That's why they did this toxicology study, which was published in 2012. And it was just pivotal. It's worth repeating. The rats that were given ESS-60 and olive oil lived 90 % longer, and they didn't have any tumors. And it's the single longest longevity experiment known to man.

And you mentioned one thing that was really important, which was about the rats and their involvement. I've been kind of on two quests. One is there an experiment that's longer, right? Than this C 60 experiment on rats. And then the other one is what percentage of rat studies actually apply to humans? Right? Cause we kind of intuitively, we know there's a number like, it 80 % of stuff that happens in rats related to medicine actually happens in humans or what is it?

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (14:54.777)
And so I'm on this quest to like, what is that number? I did ask a professor, Aaron, at DePaul University was on the phone. My business partner was actually on the phone with him and I kind of snuck over there and I was like, Hey, I have this question for you. What percentage of kind of medical results do you see that happen in rats that apply to humans? Have you ever heard anyone kind of talk about that? Well, I mean, I know, I know there are certain animals that share more genetic trait with us traits with us on certain factors. Like I know

even there's, you know, obviously, like the monkey or like even like a pig I've heard, can we can, you know, because we can harvest organs from pigs. So I don't I've never heard that figure, but I would be fascinated to well know as well. So I asked him and he works both on rat and you're right, pig. My dad always used to brag about his pig heart valve that he had for a very long time. Exactly. Yeah. And so I asked him this question and he gave

a very, it's a little bit long, but it's a very interesting explanation. He was like, listen, there's one case study that the scientific community will use to say, hey, you shouldn't necessarily apply what happens to a rat over to a human. And that case study goes like this. They were testing a drug on rats and it was a, I think it was a fertility drug on rats. And yes, it made the rats more fertile. And then they gave it to humans, but the fetuses were deformed.

And so this is that pinnacle study. Everyone's like, see, you just can't apply anything that happens to a rat to a human. And what Ian's urine said was the problem with that is they never looked at the fetuses of the rats. The fetuses of the rats were also deformed and had they looked at that, they would have never given it to humans. So it wasn't that what happens in a rat doesn't apply to a human. It was if you don't look at the right information of the rat result, it doesn't apply to humans. And so.

For me, the implication is we're talking about a very, very high level of potentially one-to-one mapping of what happens in a rat happens in a human. I don't know if you know this, a rat has more in common genetically with humans than with mice. Really? So counterintuitive, right? that comes out of left field. Yeah, clearly they are the same. Like we could look at them and they have more in common with us. So

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (17:14.189)
So there is, I haven't found any data that counters that. I'm still looking for that. If any of your listeners have any of that, I'd love to look at, know, both, is there a longer experiment on longevity in mammals and to like what percentage of data applies to rats also applies to human, because it's pretty high. That's why you can't get a human trial approved unless you've done a rat trial. It can't happen. Incredible. Incredible. So, so yeah, that will sidetrack back to that.

that evolution of your guys product? So yeah, so if we get to, what kind of results are happening? And as soon as I start talking about results, I do have to say the FDA hasn't evaluated our product. It's not intended to treat, diagnose, cure, or prevent any disease. So that's just where we are. What I can talk about are testimonials that we have on file. And the thing that I share with people, because people ask all the time, often they ask, hey, is it good for this particular ailment or whatever?

to which I reply, look, the FDA hasn't evaluated it for that, but we're seeing such good results on such a broad base of things, which you would kind of kind of make sense if it's actually extending the life, right? It really has to be in by double. Like we're not talking, we added in a couple extra days to these rats life. And I don't know if you know this, but one of the current best ways to extend your life is to starve yourself almost to death. Mm hmm. It attend to 15 % increase in your life. Yeah.

There's a great documentary out there on the BBC called Eat, Fast and Live Longer. I'm a huge, huge proponent of fasting. It's the most affordable, consistent hack that I've had from my health ever. I mean, you could argue what we could do. I often pose this to people. You could argue what we could do to the planet if we each didn't eat for two days a week. If we each did a 48 hour fast, I'm pretty sure I've seen some stats on that, that there would be no world hunger. It would be that simple.

Yeah. So, but yes, go on. If it's if it's really kind of the studies that are talking about fasting that have this 10 to 15 % increase are starvation through the duration of the life, right? Which is a little bit which is very different from intermittent fasting. And so there is some good research on intermittent fasting. And so yeah, I think that's a great thing to practice. I'd actually never heard kind of the assessment of, hey, is everybody just doesn't eat for two days? Well, I don't know how angry people are going to be.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (19:40.633)
or hangry, right? We may we may thin out the population if we ask to not eat for two days. Maybe that's what we need in the state of the world right now. Look, we've just solved all the world's problems with on this podcast. That's going to be our header for the show. The world is free of turmoil. Everyone just has to be hangry. Yeah. So so that's one of the best ways. And I'm I am on this quest for

know, extension. So if you're talking about the benefits, there's a lot of logic to, hey, I want to live longer. And what research out there supports longevity, and there is good research for fasting. And there is actually peer reviewed published research for ESS 60 and olive oil. And, and beyond that, I'm just not aware of anything. And certainly, I'm not aware of anything that even comes close to a 90 % extension of life. there's not.

You know, the one drug that I know people were experimenting with, I do hear this back and forth, was Metformin, which I believe is a... But it's got some pretty terrible side effects. And I've heard, you know, long-term insulin sensitivity and some other things that are just not great long-term, but it's nowhere near 90%.

Yeah, right now we're not getting any reports of side effects like our our most negative kind of hey, this happened to me is, you know, the product is oil, it's olive oil. Some people are putting it in MCT, we're actually about to come out with it in MCT and avocado oil also. So some people if you're taking five mils, which is one teaspoon a day, that's a lot of oil for some people, right. And so some people are like, it doesn't sit well in my stomach.

Also, until now, we've only sold olive oil, which is what the original experiment was done in. So if you want to closely match that, you really do need to stick with olive oil. A really good quality olive oil will actually leave like a peppery flavor at the back of your throat. yeah. And some people don't like really don't like that. I've actually had people say, yeah, I think your product might be rancid because it left this flavor line. Okay. Rancid is normally you kind of purge if you've ever had anything that's rancid.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (21:59.937)
So it's not brand stated, it's just this paper. The nice thing is, is if you just take a sip of water or you could eat it with bread, like out of an Italian restaurant or whatever, and the flavor is just gone. It's not like a lingering medicine flavor. Listen, I'm two months into experimenting with auto urine therapy. So we're not gonna go into what I do with them, the details of the show, but olive oil is nothing. We're all good, we're all good.

Let's switch to olive oil. How quickly can we try this? Exactly. Exactly. Those literally those are the only complaints. There is some discussion about when you take the product and this will really lead into into kind of some of the benefits. Some people, if they take it in the after in the evening, will say that it keeps them up. I can tell you that's not true for me, but I can also have a cup of coffee right before, know, right after dinner and then go home and go to sleep. So I might not be the best example of that.

Most of our clients take the product in the morning and most of like the most consistent testimonial is better sleep. And it's such a subtle thing. There's actually a lady in one of my offices next door who's going through oncology treatment. I was like, and she was talking about how budget impacts how much treatment she has. I'm like, Hey, just here. Here. gave her like four bottles, please, you know, try this. It's supposed to help. There's actually good

Petri dish studies that show that ESS-60 is, helps the efficacy of the chemotherapy. So helps what it does to the cancer and actually helps protect your own cells, right? So it's really an amazing kind of result that they have. Again, Petri dish, not in vivo, in vitro. And so I gave it to her and about 15 days later, I asked her, so have you noticed anything? And she was like, well, Chris, know, people, if they haven't noticed anything, very, you know,

Hesitant they feel bad like no Chris. I really haven't noticed anything and and I was like well How's your sleep and her eyes like lit up like way up and she's like well? That's actually that you mentioned this I've been posting on Facebook I'm waking up at 530 and that's been her target time, but she's not sending alarm clock. She's not tired So although our testimonial is often better sleep Sometimes you have to kind of elicit it because if you wake up

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (24:22.406)
one or two hours early tomorrow, you're like, okay, that's, one day and then two, three days into it. By the time it's a thing, you've kind of forgotten when it happens and you've just kind of moved on with your life and I'm sleeping less. And, and so often people need a little bit of prodding. Well, we're, we're notoriously horrible barometers for improvement in our own health. I mean, it's like, you know, somebody who's coached hundreds and hundreds of people. When you see their

symptoms go away and they no longer have diarrhea and they've lost 40 pounds and you know the frame of mind and a human as well I'm not where I want to be you know it's never they they never can feel it's I guess it's just the way our brain works but we can't we can't really feel the gratitude and the pride and the reverence for all the good things that would happen we immediately look to as I guess this is the human design as to what we don't have

Right. We always want more. guess maybe that keeps us driving forward to some degree. And it makes it really tough and it needs somebody like you to kind of coach and say, hey, you know, I do. I feel like you look thinner when we get together. Is there any weight loss? yeah. OK, that's I've got a parallel story for you. It was probably about a year ago. I was here at the office on a Sunday and somebody knocked on the door. We're a manufacturing facility.

We do allow people to will call, but we don't really have a retail facility. So I went and answered the door and it felt very clandestine. He was like, do you have ESS 60? And I'm like, yes, I do have ESS 60 come in. And then I had to figure out like how to take an order because all of our orders are online. I, you know, got his credit card, placed the order online for him, and then gave him the product. Well, he was back in our office and this was probably three months ago now. And we were running a special on three bottles.

And it was his third purchase. was our lady up front was telling me this was his third visit. And I was like, so great. Like what are the benefits? And he was like, none. Like he was like, no, I haven't noticed anything. And, and again, in my head, I'm like, okay, if you want to live longer, this is the best research product out there. Like there just isn't a better one, but still people tend not to take it if they're not getting any benefits. And so there's this awkward moment of pause and he goes, well, and he gestured towards his knuckles. Like does it.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (26:45.536)
Does it help with arthritis? And I was like, look, the FDA hasn't evaluated it for arthritis and we're getting a lot of testimonials about it helping arthritis. And he goes, oh, well then my arthritis, it's helped me with my arthritis. And I used to have this click, click, click in my knee and now that's gone. I was like, okay, well that's good. And then he goes, and I haven't jogged in like five years, but now I'm about to go on my eighth jog, right? In a short period of time. I'm like, okay, well that's good. And he goes, well, one more thing.

I'm less stressed at work. And he was like, let me clarify. It's the same job. It's the same people. It's the same stress. I just feel less stressed. I'm like, well, it's too bad you're not feeling anything. We'll see you when the three bottles are gone. And the point is, it's just, it's a little bit subtle and all of that could easily be attributed to better sleep. If you read, there's a book that I've read called Why We Sleep, amazing book.

Again, really, really scary book about what happens to you when you don't sleep. And all of these things, diabetes is worth, your cardio health is worse, your memory is worth. All of these things are really detrimentally affected by a lack of sleep. So if all that ESS-60 is doing is helping you sleep better, then that's amazing. One of the things that they point out in this book,

$2 billion industry is the sleep aid industry, right? Ambien and all these other products. And what he points out is these are not sleep aids. These are knock you unconscious aids. And when you're quote unquote, well, when you're unconscious with these, you're not getting in REM sleep and you're not getting REM sleep. And those are the two things that are actually increasing your health and your body doing what it naturally does. So what's

What's interesting is our customers take the product in the morning and then report sleeping better at night. So everything else that knocks you out is actually knocking you out at night. so it's whole modem of how it's working is just totally different. I feel the value in that like across the board, you know, sleep is such

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (29:05.66)
a big area of focus whenever I talk with someone about health and wellness and you you go in and you do a detailed in evaluation. What is really what's good sleep look like for you? The one stat I bring up is we have this great experiment in the United States called Daylight Savings Time. And when we lose an hour, when we fall back, visits the ER heart attacks go up twenty four point six percent. Yep. In the spring, when we spring forward and we gain that hour of sleep,

It the direct correlation, they drop right back down like 25%. So it matters one hour of sleep. it just that shock to the system. We can see how that reverberates through. The total population, right? And that that I think, you know, you've got really good stats on that. That's not intuitively obvious to people. They're like, I'm a little tired and drink a little coffee. I make it through the day, but it actually has detrimental effects to your health.

Better sleep is just paramount. And the two kind of standard testimonials that we got, I gave, gave one, is somebody who typically doesn't get to sleep before 1am is now going to sleep at 10. You know, that's three hours. That's just phenomenal. And then I've got a business coach who says for 50 years prior to prior to taking ESS 60, I was using an alarm clock to wake up as soon as I started taking the product. I was waking up before the alarm clock. And, and so that

Like I said, that testimonial, if that's all it's doing, then that's incredibly beneficial. We get other testimonials and I could tie that. I think that we could tie those to better sleep. We get testimonials related to Alzheimer's and dementia that are beneficial. One lady called me, I like to try and answer the phone a couple of times a week just to be in contact with our customers. And she shared with me that her son used to go to

the hospital for medical, for emotional episodes about four or five times a year and hasn't gone since he was on the product. And so it's having, and that could be explained by sleep, right? That really, you get better sleep and then all of these things go away. You know, one of the interesting things is I'll sit at a dinner with somebody and they'll ask me what I do and I'll like, well, here's what I do. And they're like, just like everyone, well, what are the reported benefits? And I'm kind of like, if I keep telling you more reported benefits,

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (31:27.454)
You're going to doubt me more, by the way, if you don't doubt me when I say that it extended life by 90 percent, if we can get past that doubt. you've got to try it. You've got to see how it feels in your body. I mean, at the end of the day, it's most people you don't think about this, but the more we fill the brain with data and figures, the less likely we are to move on a decision, because that is not the decision making part of the brain. It's it's the emotional spark. It's.

You know, how do you go shopping and you know you have an emotional spark to what you put in the cart? Yeah, you know the data. You know exactly what you should eat. Yeah, I'm to go walk around a grocery store in Houston and I bet I can pick apart some people's. That's my favorite thing to like just judge other people shopping cart. Not not really, but I mean, I'm just like, my God, it's got to feel bad inside. Yeah, yeah. But but people have a reason for what they choose and it's not based on the on the science and data.

No, clearly not. they're probably like, I've always kind of wonder, I know there's nutritionists out there. And what does it do? Like, for me, you sit down and the nutritionist is like, stop eating donuts. And then you're like, okay, we're good. Because I kind of knew not to eat those to begin with. But it's not about that. It's not that it's about getting more data in people's hands, and then getting kind of that accountability structure. Because yeah, like, who doesn't who thinks it's all right to eat donuts, if you're trying to mind your weight, like,

No one. And most people will say, I want to lose at least five pounds. Like most people are like my goals lose five pounds on the donut. Yeah. You could eat it. Yeah. You could do a donut fast. I'm sure you could structure that. I'm sure you could, I'm sure you could eat the correct amount of donuts. And if you measured calories, I'm sure you could do a 60 day experiment. They've done it with candy bars. So I'm sure you could do it with the donut if you really, really wanted to. So, so did, so I didn't know that. So they did it with candy bars. Any, any kind of interesting results that.

yeah, totally. It was like a science professor. He did a diet off. He was only allowed to eat from the snack machine in the cafeteria. Wow. And it was just like Cheetos and candy bars. And but he did it. He lost like 35 pounds by playing around with the dose dependent, you know, when he would eat, what he would eat, the amount of caloric intake per valued against exercise. And he achieved it. Many people have achieved that. Keep in mind, the dilution is that weight has anything to do with health.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (33:51.257)
Yeah, yeah. They're not. They're not really. They're not always related. So, yeah, you know, there's that too. You can kind of like sidebar there and to say, well, wait, wait a minute. Did they look at like LDL or anything else or was it purely just a way? think it was a weight thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, if we looked at all the snapshots and the blood happening from the candy bar diet, I'm sure you'd see some interesting things coming up, but maybe not. You know, our bodies are all so different and the way we process foods.

My evolution has been, because I think I mentioned to you before we hit play, I started into health and wellness. like, you know, I was like, I wanted to, I was like, got to get to the gym. I got to start working out. I got to do this to change my body. And then I was like, okay, God, you can work out for the rest of your life and, and, and really not move the needle too much. And then I thought it was food. You know, it's all about the elite diet and I played with every single diet. And now I even, you know, it's really not the food. It's what your body does with the food when it's inside.

Yeah. And then it's like, then what does the cell do with it? And then what are the nano motors inside? You know, I 300 spinning turbines inside each cell that are that are maybe kicking garbage out or they've totally stopped and they're not functioning anymore as you've got the cell without any working components in it. So where does it really, you know, where where is where is your health start? It begins at that microscopic level. If the cell is healthy, you've got a really good shot. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's who knows where it's going to go next. And it's, you know, we'll go into the quantum level, but it's always an evolution of thinking. That's, that's, that's really good. Yeah. And, so the reality is, is that all starts with what you're putting in your body and also how it's all intertwined, like how you're exercising, how much you're exercising, what you're putting in your body, all of those things are really important. So yeah, it's, it's, it's a complex mixture of things.

It is and you don't have to go into this, but do we know the mechanism of action to which C60 provides some of these benefits or is it just a big old mystery? So it's a partly big old mystery. Thank you for using our Houston big old mystery. It's partly a big old mystery. We do know that it's a great antioxidant and a great anti-inflammatory, right? the current.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (36:09.311)
a longevity understanding or old age understanding is like it's related to free radicals in your body and related to inflammation. And so if you've got one product that's a great anti-inflammatory and a great antioxidant, then you are kind of ticking the current science best. Yes. And so my current theory is like anti-oc, like you've got these free radicals in your body. And if you've got C60 going in there and clearing those out and that's

part of the sleep process is managing free radicals in your body and you can get rid of that, then that can help you sleep better and then that can have an impact on all sorts of things. It's important to notice that's just a big old mystery because it's a little old molecule, right? And so it has the ability to cross the blood-brain barrier. It has the ability to get into cells. It's involved in the mitochondria and the ATP processes. We just don't have enough

data on that yet. And so we're working, you know, that's one of the things that, you know, there was a really big push when it no won the Nobel Prize. And most of that push was related to industrial applications, they always figured it would be really good for medical applications. This is one fascinating thing about the buckyball. So you've got the spherical molecule of 60 carbon atoms, and any atom on the periodic chart can fit inside of it. So

It's not molecular. It's not bonded. It's not covalently bonded. It's not ionically bonded. It's just physically trapped inside of it. So there's a new symbol in chemistry really as of 1985 or whenever they figured out that they trapped stuff in it. The ad symbol we're familiar with it, you know, from email, but lanthanum at C60 means lanthanum, a lanthanum atom trapped inside of the C60 cage. And so

They always theorized, hey, we could put a radioactive molecule inside of the bucky ball. You can make attachments. So it likes cancer cells. And then now it goes there, attaches to a cancer cells and sits there and radiates that cancer cell. That's been theorized from the very beginning. But again, we're ill equipped to play with atoms, right? As a scientific community yet. so that hasn't come to fruition.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (38:29.566)
What came first is this, you know, originally it was a toxicity study that became, you know, the longest longevity experiment on mammals we've ever seen. Amazing. Amazing. Now, so if somebody's in the audience and they're like, well, you know what the best way to do more research on this is maybe to try a course. Maybe I'm going to try two, three months. Do you have a recommendation on where people should start? And maybe, maybe almost like writing out a, like a symptom tracker.

that they're gonna do just to see like, where am I lacking right now? And so they can kind of chart their own progress. So first off, that's brilliant. We've had conversations about like symptom tracker because so often we'll get phone calls or case studies like I've shared with you. I didn't really notice anything until you start answering asking questions and the answers to those questions become clear that things are good things are happening. We've talked about, hey, we need like a before and after.

And so you asking this question, I'm going to expedite that and we'll have that. I would say it would just be like on a scale of one to 10, if you're trying to solve, you know, arthritis pain or pains in general, some people have reported improvements in eyesight. you're hair growth is something that's been reported. If you're whatever you're trying to track on a scale of one to 10, kind of come up with a chart and say on a scale of one to 10 today, I feel this way about that particular aspect of my health.

and then do it, you know, probably we get reports and from from a physical activity standpoint, we get reports of the next day, meaning take a dose today. One of the guys on my team is a young Colombian kid who plays indoor soccer. I don't know if you've ever played indoor soccer. whole life. Yeah. I yeah. Yeah. All the way through all the way through college. Yep. That's so me too. And indoor soccer is, you know, it's a

It's a sprint. It's 10 minutes and then give me out because I can't breathe situation. He said that he typically played about 10 minutes the next day after one teaspoon. And I'll be honest, it may have been a tablespoon, which is three, but after one dose, he was able to play 20 minutes. So you have like, you have a clear understanding. If you could double your time on the indoor soccer pitch, that that's something you would notice, right? That's a binary.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (40:52.713)
Yesterday, no. Today, yes. Because that's a lot of time on an indoor soccer pitch. It is. It is. And I find for me, for my population that I tend to work with or the clients, you know, I tend to work with people that are a little more chronically ill, right? been through chronic fatigue, the ME, the fibromyalgia. And, you know, if it works, I've

I found if you find supplements working on people that are well and they feel better, I find that the people that have been chronically ill, they react to even even more profoundly that it's someone that's really deep in the well that they can get a couple couple hands up and they're like starting to climb out. But I'm excited. I'm excited to like do some of my own testing with this and see what moves the needle. Well, let me throw this out there. How about I send you a couple of bottles?

And then if you're interested, we could schedule another podcast and we get back and talk about it. And you could say, it didn't work. And I could ask you questions and maybe I maybe you do sleep better. Yeah. Or, or it does work and you can talk about the differences that you've experienced. And if you're interested and got a couple of clients in mind, then let's, I can get you extra bottles for them. Let's just like, you've got access to data points. Let's get you what you need to get more data points and then

Let's schedule another podcast. let's do that with a symptom tracker and I'll pick like my four people that are really on the struggle bus. Yeah. And then we can design just a standard symptom tracker for what we're looking for and we can kind of do a correlation. We'll do a, we'll do a part two. Yeah, that would be, that would be really cool. Amazing. What else do we want to, what else do we want to tell the people at home when they're, let me ask you this. So I'm listening. I'm already intrigued.

You know, I'm kind of on board anyway. I'm a self experimentation dude. I have other people that I know are thinking the same thoughts. Where do they go to get because we talked about you can go on Amazon, you can go. I've seen this stuff on eBay and it looks like Grandpa Ed made it in his garage in a glass container with a rubber stopper and they're advertising C60. So tell me about quality control and tell me where I want to go to get a good sample.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (43:10.508)
Well, so one thing that I can tell you is we just ordered a product off of off of Amazon. I did a test on it. It doesn't have C60 in it. And so one of the things that we're kind of pushing for in the industry is C60 is C60. That's the buckyball. It actually takes some toxic chemicals to make it. If you want to isolate it, ESS 60 is something that's been processed and is good, is safe to put in your body. Right. So if you want to order from a reputable source, just make sure you're looking for

E S S 60. So that that's the first thing. Obviously, I'd like your order from me. And and you can go to my vital see.com. And basically, if you scroll down the page, there's a one bottle is 99 bucks, we've got it on subscription, you can cancel that at any time. It's 7495. So just get on subscription, especially like you're suggesting let's do three months get on a three month subscription. Again, you can cancel that at any time. And if you'd like

Let's make a code. I'd like to offer $15 off to your audience. beautifully broken 15. Amazing. We'll do that. And we'll get that all set up and then we'll get some bottles over to you and we'll get it. You know, I mentioned one bottle that we ordered offline. There is another company. They have spent an inordinate amount of time kind of proving that they have their own version of C60 in their product. And the reality is that they don't. And it's really kind of nerve wracking.

Because if something happens to those people, this industry, the FDA could come in and shut down this industry. they're not like they're saying they have something that we have and they don't have it in their product. Ours was, in fact, I don't know if I mentioned this, our SES research was, so the parent company was actually mentioned in the original study. So it was our product that actually extended the lives of those rats by 90%. So, you know, go to myvitalc.com.

and feel confident in what you're ordering. It's really, really important. is, is. And I know there's varying degrees of opinions on how much we should all be. know, listen, there was a time I looked at my supplement cabinet and I was spending a thousand bucks a month, easily. If I added in all the other treatments I was doing, was much more than that. Vitamin IVs, ozone injections, hyperbaric chamber. It's a long, sad story, but

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (45:34.869)
You know, if you I like I like the idea of my core four. I like to tell people I'm like, I've really clean and so liberating to clean out your supplement cabinet. I have my core four. You know, I've got a little digestive enzyme right now. I've got a multivitamin. Well, that's pretty much it. You know, I mean, it's it's it's unbelievable to where I came from. You know, it's it's a but.

But there are, you know, we do live in an increasingly toxic world and environment air quality in the home. 70 % of homes have mold. You know, I walk into New York City. I go through the Lincoln tunnel on a bus. Let's talk about the air quality that I'm in that tunnel. I'm up regulating. I'm up leveling my heavy metal dose every time I go through that tunnel. It's all led, you know, every single drive to work. So

Think about that and it is whatever you choose to do for your supplementation program. When you get something that works for you and makes you feel good and makes you sleep better and makes your body ache less, keep the 70 bucks a month. It's when you find something that works for you and it resonates with you in your body, go with it. But you'll never know until you try it. I agree with that 100%. Awesome. Well, Chris, we're going to do round two.

And I'm going to, you know, I tell this to people, I don't always post video. I'm to post this video because Chris has red glasses on. these, are those blue, are those blue blocking? No, they're not there. So these are actually safety glasses and kind of long story short, I got safety glasses. They're curved. this is, I get, I, I, I feel very feel is the appropriate word. Very cool sometimes because people are, will come up and say, I have those glasses for when I ride a motorcycle.

I don't ride a motorcycle, but these are the kinds they're Wiley X's. And, and so they told me because they're curved and prescription that I should wear them around the office a couple of times before I actually need them in the field. And, and so I wore them and right about the same time I lost a pair of sunglasses of my regular glasses. like, well, and some people said they like them. so I'm like, I'll keep these. is distinctive. Right. So, so it's, it's my intent to be distinctive.

Freddie Kimmel and Chris Burres (47:53.168)
I love it. love it. So we'll do around to we can plot and plan that and people have your website. It's my vital C.com and we'll get the code going. And man, I thank you for just, you know, waxing intellectual and toss. I know we covered a lot of ground and we'll come back and we'll do it again. That sounds cool. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Ladies and gentlemen. Namaste. Ladies and gentlemen, you made it to the end of the podcast.

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