Measuring the energetic body with Bio-well and Jorge Patrono

Jorge dedicates his time to doing research on the topics of natural health, spiritualty and science. He produces documentaries, (www.yourlifeyourcreation.com), gives lectures and continues interviewing different personalities of science and spirituality from around the world.  He writes articles and guided meditations using information about neuroscience, epigenetics, heart-brain coherence and healthy diets. His is an expert and distributor of the Bio-well technology and has a full decade of experience in working with the energetic body.

Jorge Patrono is a two-time Grammy nominee, composer, producer, and sound designer with over 30 years of experience in the entertainment industry. He has also produced TV shows and video clips. At 19, he developed a strong interest in science and spirituality, leading him to create the website www.creandotuvida (Creating Your Life) for the global Hispanic community. The website focuses on living a healthy and happy life. Due to his work and dedication, he was named Peace Ambassador by Mil Milenios de Paz and PEA: Peace, Ecology and Art.

Episode Highlights

01:46 Who Jorge Patrono is and how a Grammy-nominated producer such as himself got involved with biomedicine.

06:17 Freddie recalls his first encounter with Bio-Well.

07:52 Jorge explains the science behind Bio-Well.

09:20 The 3 modalities/sciences inside Bio-Well’s software. 

15:08 Is there a consistent climb in readings when you change your lifestyle? What are the factors to be considered? 

17:48 Jorge discusses Freddie’s readings on the Bio-Well and further expands its implications.

21:16 How Bio-Well is being used in other countries, be it for diagnostics or as biofeedback device.

23:23 How the emotional state affects our physical health.

30:01 Jorge talks about reverse osmosis and how knowing the type of water you consume can help your health.

38:45 Freddie expands on the idea that everything is interconnected and it all boils down to energy.

43:07 Jorge explains what it means to be Beautifully Broken in his perspective.

50:09 What does Jorge think about the health modalities being brought into Argentina?

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Jorge Patrono (00:00.142)
I don't see myself as broken. I see myself as an entity that can be whole. And my pursuit is being whole.

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Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on the show we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel and Jorge Patrono (00:44.014)
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gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. You are here for season two. And the guests we have lined up are absolutely incredible. We are here today with Jorge Petrono. And not only is he a bio well practitioner, which is an amazing new technology to look at the energetic body and actually measure it. He is a documentary filmmaker.

He is an energy medicine practitioner. He's also been nominated for two Grammys. Jorge, welcome to the show. Hey Freddy. Thank you so much for having me here. I got to ask, you know, how does a Grammy nominated artist and for those who aren't watching video, Jorge has a beautiful, like a full band, full drum kit, couple of guitars, keyboard behind him. How does a Grammy nominated producer wind up

being involved with energy medicine and bioenergetics and biophysics? Well, that's a great question. A lot of people think that's weird. I'm from Argentina. came here 33 years ago and I'm in Los Angeles and I'm originally a drummer and I was touring as a drummer in Latin America and Europe. And then I came to the United States to learn more. And I started producing television besides doing music. It was music and video doing

television and I learned a lot of things there and suddenly it was like 13 years ago that I started thinking about health. My parents were very very sick both of them and both of them already passed away and I saw the way they left their body and it was not nice. Okay let's put it that way. Besides that I was very sick when I was a kid so health for me

was always an issue and very important issue because I understood that when I was sick, couldn't create anything. I couldn't think about anything but the disease that I was going through. And disease is something that doesn't allow you to be a hundred percent. And also we know the brain works in a certain way. mean, the frontal lobe can do one thing at a time. If you're thinking about your health all the time, you cannot think about anything else. You cannot create anything. You cannot be inspired or anything because actually

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your brain is full of that problem. So I believe that health is number one for us to become complete. Whatever is your mission in this lifetime, you can do it, but it's easier to do it when you're healthy. Now I realized, you know, after reading a lot of books and I started meditation with Kriya Yoga, which is the school of Paramahansa Yogananda here in Los Angeles.

and doing all the courses and everything, I realized that there was something else, not just the physical body, but there was a lot of energy, field, and many things that we cannot see that with our five senses. We can't. But it exists. So if it exists, what is the function of that? That was my main question. And suddenly I started understanding that energy is everything, not just us. Everything is energy. So I started with a website called Creating Your Life. It was the first thing that I

did it on the internet with my wife, like 13 years ago. And we started putting together information about health, nutrition, meditation, different things. And in Los Angeles, you have the scientists or spiritual people living, or they pass through. They come and they go. So you can meet almost 80 % of the people all over the world in this town. So it was a good place to be. Suddenly, I started meeting great people, and among all of them, the main for me was Bruce Lipton.

which I started reading the book, The Biology of Belief, and blew me away, and it changed my way of thinking about myself and life as a whole. And then I met him. And when I met him, we became very good friends, and he taught me so many things about biology and epigenetics and the way we think. Open and close different genes in our genome. And when you are in love, you create a biology of health. And when you are in fear,

and all the derivatives so that you are in the biology of sickness. And I thought, wow, this is an amazing concept. I'm not a victim of anything like cancer or pneumonia or whatever it is. I'm a creator at some point, because if I think about what is the predominant thought that I have every day, I can really get the result of knowing what disease is going to hit me first. And I say, well, that brings me back personal power.

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So I decided then that I was going to do not entertainment anymore, but edutainment. And I used all the knowledge that I had for many, many years in music and television and video production into edutainment, education as entertainment. And that's why I started doing documentaries and work with Bruce Lipton. We went together to Argentina. was the first time that he spoke in South America and it was amazing for me, was really an honor.

And since then, I started working with other scientists like Konstantin Koyko, like Biowell Technology, and we're going to talk about that. But that's why I shifted my profession from being into the entertainment industry and going into doing research for the education, the education industry. That's what is going on with my life. Fascinating. So one reason I'm connected with you is because I work with a technology called AmpCoil.

up here and I'm currently in the Connecticut area. We were holding a, I would say like a regional support group where lots of Amcoil owners, people who are looking to come in and get a session. People are looking to learn about the technology we're meeting. And some friends of yours showed up from LA and they had a device with them called the BioWell. And I've heard about BioWell in the past and was very, very interested. And they said, we really want to show you what this thing can do.

And essentially it's this little square white box that I placed my fingerprint in and it took an image or a photograph of each fingerprint, I believe. And once we did this, it gave me almost like a 22 page, 24 page report on the energetics happening in my body. And then I didn't look at it, didn't look at the report.

And then I did an amp coil session, which is 33 minutes of frequency delivery and magnetics. And then we ran another report. We did the same pictures and we compared the two and I was blown away by the accuracy, not only of what the bio well had picked up, where my weaknesses were, where my deficiencies were, but also how much it had changed in after only one session of being on the coil.

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Could you explain what the bio well is? Because someone would look at this like really, Freddy, you stuck your finger in a box and it told you how your energy was. And I want to know the science of it. I want to know how it works. I want to bring a little validity to it. Okay. The science comes from the 19 fifties or sixties is Curelian photography. That's what it is mainly. What you saw the box is a dark camera. That's what it is. He has a lens and he can read something that we cannot read, which is electro photonic imaging.

The technology is called GDB, which is gas discharge visualization. And GDB is the umbrella of the whole thing. Electrophotonic imaging is what we are doing when we put the fingers inside this black box. And it's so subtle that what you have when you press your finger against the glass inside the camera, there's a little microcurrent in milliseconds that you don't even feel, but creates a response from your fingers.

and it creates a cloud of ions. And when they touch the oxygen, they glow. What you see is the glow of that. Now, it's not the aura. The aura is different. This is the energy that you have right now at this particular moment. OK? And it changes from minute to minute, second to second, because actually, for example, I can measure your fingers right now. And suddenly you receive a phone call and they said a friend of yours had an accident.

your energy moved completely and you can see it. If I do another reading, you will see the changes, especially in the chakra system, okay, because it's the most emotional part of the whole software. Now there are three different modalities inside the software, which is allopathy, which is allopathic medicine, which is systems and organs. Ayurveda, which is the chakra system, the seven main chakra systems of energy.

and Chinese meridians from acupuncture. So those are the three technologies or sciences behind the bio well in the software. Now we read the fingers because they have a lot of nerves and also a lot of blood and there's oxygen and there's a lot of energy coming out of the fingers. And that's why we have the possibility to see all this information. And it is very fast as you saw in just one minute. If you know how to place the fingers in the glass, I can do it in 30 seconds.

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and immediately you see the result. Now, what is the result? The result is the overall energy that you have. And that's why I say always the first reading of your energy. It should be when you wake up in the morning. It's like when you plug in the phone at night, which is empty, and you unplug the phone in the morning, it's full. The battery is full. Well, when we sleep at night, it's the same as a phone. We go and we are depleted. We sleep and in the morning we are full of energy.

That's the energy that we need for the whole day. Okay. The best way to understand your energy is first thing in the morning without doing anything after you woke up. Now we know we have the base energy in your life and from there we can build something. Now, Biowell is good for a protocol that's before and after the way you use it with a coil. That's the best thing for Biowell.

And we can do it with anything. We can do it with medication. We can do it with the arm coil. We can do it with any, I mean, meditation, whatever it is before and after. And then you realize what's doing for you. mean, doing that, is it good or is it bad? A lot of people think that I'm doing, you know, great things. And suddenly when I test them, it's like before they had more energy than after. And I said, no, this is not good for you. Actually, you have to do something else before you can do this that you're doing. For example,

Some people cannot do exercise because they were for so long in a very couch potato. Let's put it that way. Depleted and compromised. Exactly. Eating junk food and everything. And suddenly I say, okay, just jump a little bit so we can see, we can move the heart and you can start breathing fast. And then we'll do another reading. And the second reading is worse than the first one. Why? Because the person is such in bad shape that

before doing any exercise, they have to start walking, for example, or drinking more water or things, simpler things, because actually exercise, their body cannot take it because they are so weak. So it's a very good way to understand how many things you do during the day that are good for you and how many that are really depleting you from the energy. And in this case, the arm coil, and I see it on myself as well, and also

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I analyzed a Anna and a Hita, you know, that you introduced me with her and it was great. In both of our cases, the amp coil was before and after there was three joules more in the second reading after the amp coil session of 30 minutes, which is a lot of energy in 30 minutes. If you gain three joules in 30 minutes is huge. Okay. So that was a good thing. The other thing is the whole spectrum.

of the energy was more even, we have to think about the energy of the body and maybe in the future you can show an image. So people understand what we're talking about. And there's a flow in the energy around your body. And sometimes that flow is interrupted by something. We don't know exactly why, but we know that it's interrupted. And that's what you use for further study. For example, if I see something, I can tell you, why don't you go to the doctor and

ask for test or something to understand what's going on in that area of your body. Or a lot of people have problems in the lower back because actually they work eight, 10 hours a day in a sitting down position and the lower back is hurt. And maybe going to the chiropractor will help that and will help the energy instead of interrupting it in the waistline because of the 90 degree angle, it will flow better. And that's a good thing for health. Okay. Because the flow of energy has to go even

through the whole body, to all the organs, to all the centers, everywhere, the head, the legs, everything. When we see that that's not happening, well, we have to take action. So this is preventive. We are seeing this before you can say that you have a disease. Now, if you have the disease, it will show even more, okay? It will be more dramatic in the image. But before that, you can really see something that is in the infancy of a disease.

and we can revert it. So that's why we use BioWall is for preventive medicine and energy is the best way to do it. So if you're someone who had seen people over a longer span of time, let's say you're working with a client or coaching them and maybe you work with them over three months, four months, is this something you referenced that on the scan there was a measurement in joules? So the energy produced by the body, is that energy potential?

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Or is that what is being produced at that point? No, it's the real energy. Got it. Got it. So do you see over like three or four months, do you see someone's energy? Can you see a consistent climb if they adjust food, lifestyle, energy techniques, supplements that work for them? And the first month you will see the climb and then it will be in a plateau. You can have a lot of energy, but usually you won't go over 60 Joules. know, it's already also to age.

But if you are 30, 40, a good number is 50, 55, 56 joules. That will be 55 is a good number. Now, if you're 60 or 70, 50 is a good number. So it depends on the age. Also depends on the gender. For women, for example, it's a little less energy than men, especially if they are not very active. The general rule is 54, 55 joules is good.

And then if you do a follow-up with a person, and also the person is changing habits, for example, food habits or sleeping habits or work habits, many, many things that can change that person in their daily life. We can see if that's helping or not, because we can see the before and after and we can compare other readings a month earlier, for example, and we can see, okay, listen, if something happened to you, because actually there's less energy today than

two weeks ago and the person will tell you, yeah, you know, I have this problem or that problem or an accident or whatever it is. And energy moves, moves all the time. So you don't have to be so concerned that you are always gaining energy because at some point you won't gain any more energy. mean, that's it. That's the energy that you have. And that's the state of homeostasis. Homeostasis is when your body is completely in sync and your immune system is strong and it's very difficult for you to get sick.

That's a good state of homeostasis. And that's what we're looking for when we read the energy of the person. That's the bottom line. Yeah. I thought it was interesting. You know, like I said, there's a 24 page report looking at all these different, there's the allopathic, which is organs and organ systems. There's the Ayurvedic system, and then there's the Chinese meridian. So you can look at different ways of interpreting these reports on your specific scan that day. And what I was thought was really neat was the sketch of the human body that actually showed the auric field. And on my initial scan,

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there were these spots where energy field, not the arc field, the energy field, would spike out and there'd be like these darts and then there'd be these areas where like there was almost like a void almost right back to the body. And then on my second chart, what, what had happened was it had just smoothed and there was like almost a harmonization of that field. Right now I'm just looking at your readings and

You can share like details. talk about all my health stuff on the podcast all the time. So if you want to share what you said to me by just looking at my report and not knowing my health history. Yeah. Let me open your report. The most important is the first reading before the coil. Okay. Because that was your own state. That was a real state. The coil is helping you, but the coil, I don't know how long the information of the coil stays in your body. I don't know that. Maybe you know better than me.

It depends on what type of journey, but anywhere up to 72 hours, depending on what type of frequencies you're broadcasting into the body. Okay. Let me see if I can open. Yeah. And it was pretty fascinating. And we had three of us there. think my friend, Victoria Clifton and myself, we all did scans pre and post. And there's a section where it shows the allopathic organs and organ systems.

And they had many, many areas that were red and amber showing a little bit of a deficiency and almost everything went to green. was like a green light. And they had both commented as far as like modalities that they've used to see an improvement that amp oil is one of the stronger things they had seen. I have it open here. This is the first reading that you had. And as I told you before, when we were talking and I don't know you, I told you that I saw a problem there in the Eurogenital area.

And it's a pretty big problem. And the other one is in the lower back, usually lower back and urogenital area are connected with one of the meridians of Chinese medicine. That's why there's a correlation there. Now in your case is very strong. I mean, if I see this, I will do more readings with you to be sure about that. For example, I have to see if the finger that is giving me that information.

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was a good reading or not. And then I can repeat that finger 10 times and take the average of that. And then I'm sure that the reading is okay. Okay. So when we have a problem, we have to do that to be sure because energy is flowing all the time. And sometimes it's like when you take a 10 pictures and some of them you like, some of them you don't because you look one eye, you twisted the mouth, whatever it is. But one of them was amazing. You look great. Okay. Yes. We take

10, but actually you have a problem in one eye, at least five pictures will show me the eye almost closed. That's what we're looking for. Okay. And then I know that's a problem in your eye. It was not that you just blink or anything. It's a problem. So that's the way we check this. What I think's fascinating is like the urogenital. I talk about this all the time. I had testicular cancer. I had five surgeries where they cut from the pelvis up.

So yes, my lower back is super tight cutting through the abdominals and then having surgery to remove a testicle that was a primary tumor of cancer. So that's definitely, know, there's scar tissue there. That is an area I constantly have to do manual therapy on and work with that tissue. It's an area that always was in pain, always, always. And now it's not, it's not an area that's in constant pain, but scar tissue does compromise how energy flows through the physical body. So

It is an area that I need to keep working on. And it's amazing to me that it just from looking at light coming out of my finger, that we got some of that information. Yeah. No, the information is clear and I can see it. that's why, depending on the country in the world, for example, Russia, bio well is used for diagnostics. In the United States is more like a biofeedback device. It's not for that. But we can tell the client when we see something is a, why don't you go to your doctor?

and ask this or that and do some tests to be sure that you don't have anything physical. Because there are two ways to read the fingers without filter and with a filter. The filter is a little plastic round thing that you put on top of the reading glass inside the machine. When you do the first reading, you do it without a filter. Without a filter is a psycho emotional part of the person. And that's what we're looking at. That's why we cannot say that it's something physical. We can say

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There's something there. don't know what it is. It could be also something that is related to your emotional system. It could be that, but it could be physical as well, but we don't know. Now with filter, if it shows again, the filter is taking 50 % of the emotional information out of the image. Now with filter, if I see something like this, I can tell you go now to your doctor and do some kind of test because actually is something is wrong.

Okay. You have to do something else because actually with the filter is giving me more of the physical part of the person. Okay. We don't use that all the time because actually it's more important, the emotional part than the physical part, because everything starts with the emotional part, the psycho emotional, your psyche and your emotions create epigenetically your biology. That's what we're looking for. That's what we're working on. Now tell me, I believe this, I'm a firm believer that the belief system are day to day.

how we interpret the world, how we process information, how we process emotions or don't, defines our state of health. But not everybody knows or understands or believes that concept. Can you shed a little light on that, that kind of like a simple way of explaining how the emotional body plays into our physical health? Well, for everybody that is listening, I recommend reading The Biology of Belief from Bruce Lipton. He's a biologist. He's been studying genes for more than 40 years.

and the relationship between our thoughts, our feelings, and our genome. Epigenetics means above the genes. What it means is we have the same kind of genes. The only thing is which ones are active and which ones are not. That's the only difference. So you have some genes for your eyes and you have blue eyes and I have brown eyes. actually there's ones that are shut down and ones are working. That's the difference. And like that,

everything that we have and also the problems in the that we have hereditary problems also we have that and it's part of the gene genome you know that we have now the great thing about epigenetics is that is related to our emotions in a way that there are two main emotions which is love and fear now love when we feel love our body reacts in a completely different way than when we are in fear and we know that because actually

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When you are in fear, you know the fight or flight response. For example, there's a lion is attacking you. Now you are in survival mode. You are not working with it from the level of your brain. You're working with the reptilian part, with the part that is going to save you. It's something that you have to act fast because actually you're going to die. So in that case, you cannot think about anything. You react or you fight or you run. Now your body at that particular moment, your body is creating a comp-

completely different biology based on a chemical reaction. For example, you are completely in stress mode. Your digestive system closed down. The blood goes to your limbs because actually you have to fight or run. So your whole body is having a lot of chemicals that work that way. Now that is created for a short period of time. And that's what we call stress. Okay. Now

Today, the stress is with us 24-7. Because we don't have a lion that is chasing us, but we have our boss or the government or whatever it is that is keeping you without. We have plenty of things to keep us in fear right now. COVID-19, whatever it is. So when you feel that way, you are in stress. Actually, your body is not protecting the whole system. It's going to your limbs. This blood, the oxygen, everything goes to your limbs.

What's happening with the rest of all? You started having problems with liver, stomach, bladder, whatever, because the energy is not there. It moves out of that. It keeps a certain amount, but it's not enough. Okay? Now, if you're in love, you create a completely different chemical reaction that is supporting health, because actually the blood, goes into the whole system instead of going just to the limbs. One of the things that really I learned about this is

Our health is intimately related to the thought that we think the most during the day. If you're inferior during the day, most of the time, you're gonna be sick. No question about that. Because your biology is not for health. You're going to have so many chemicals in your body that are not good for cell reproduction, cell detoxification, nothing. So actually you're gonna be sick at some point. Now.

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Where are you going to be sick first? Well, the organ that has less energy right now. So that's why we use Biola. Because it shows me that the next thing that's going to happen to that person could be in this organ or that organ because I can see the amount of energy or the break in the energy flow or whatever it is. Now, the good thing about this is there are many things that we can do that are very simple. Good water, good air, discharging the EMF frequencies.

walking bare feet on grass or on the beach. Sand in the morning, for example, very early, like seven, eight o'clock, which is the best sun, or in the afternoon when it goes down, not in the middle of the day because it's too strong. Things like that keeps us in good health as well. It's good for our homeostasis. But your feelings, your feelings, your emotions, the way you interpret the world is the cause of many of the things that we...

having our lives that we don't want. And I think that's so powerful. The way you said it, it's the way we interpret the world. When you say that, that's something I have control over. Of course. That's it. That's the only thing I have control over is the way I interpret the world. So I would just like everybody listening to this to hear that. How do you choose to interpret the world? Because that's not forced on anybody. That's a gift that we get to play with and we can choose and we can grow. can cultivate how we

Lead with love act with love part of it for me was always I'm a nice human being I really do I think about myself I'm like, what would people say about Freddie was a pretty nice guy, which has always been there But when I was really sick when I was really depleted when I was going through chemotherapy and then Lyme disease and then mold I was tired. I was angry Especially at family and friends and loved ones or maybe that person that you're in an intimate relationship with the people that are around you the most

Cause there was no extra juice in the battery. I just didn't feel good. So there was a level of vitality that I needed to get to that really complimented me like breaking through this next wall and then really, really, really like living days and days and days and love a majority of the day in love. And when, when that started to trend and shift towards that way, my health really started to move and my brain function really started to increase. And I started to have

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more fun and more money and more access to more opportunity. And it's amazing, but it's the more I stood in that frequency of abundance and giving and love the more came. It was a tipping point that I needed to get past. And like you just said, what can we do that simple? Like go outside and bare feet. Well, I didn't do that for 18 years in New York city. You know, what, what, can we do with water? Well, I don't want to give everything away about water.

But for me, I was like, I'll get a reverse osmosis machine. I'll take all the chemicals out of my water and all the minerals. I thought clean water was good water. And maybe it was, but maybe you can tell us a little bit about my mistake there. Well, reverse osmosis, I had that. I bought it. you know, at some point I used it thinking the same way that you were thinking about. Reverse osmosis water is dead water. Actually, water needs

to be absorbed by the body needs minerals. So the PPM has, when they say PPM zero, no, that's not good for the human body. The human body needs a mineral because actually if we are electrically charged, minerals are the conductive thing that we need. The minerals are charging the body as well. And we need it when we don't have the minerals, when we are in trouble. The best water is called structural water. Structural water has a way to go into the cells

that is the biological way. It's the structure of water, it's the water, it's the biological water where life came from. And you know we look for when every time we see another planet as if it's life? Well, we look for water, but it's not any water, it's structure water. That's what it is. Now, structure water is natural. You have it today. You can see in the poles, in the glaciers, in different lakes like Roraima in Venezuela, for example. And you can see it in my website. There's a video where Constantin Krakow went

to measure the energy of that water with GDB machines, not the same as bio, but it's the same technology with a bigger machine where you can measure the energy of the elements. And he measured the water. The water in Roraima, naturally in the lake, it has 4,000 times more energy than the faucet water. So we're talking about a completely different thing. It's not the same solution then. That's the biological water. Now, but you can have it artificially in your house today because there are gadgets that you can put in. have mine.

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In my house, I have, you know, in the line, the pipe that comes from the city with the water from the city. have this structural water unit, which is a feet and a half long and it's very heavy and has minerals inside. It has, it creates a vortex in and a vortex out, which charges everything. What it's doing is emulating nature because nature, if you think about the cycle of water in nature, you know, evaporates, goes into clouds and then rains. It goes through the mountains, goes into the cracks of the mountains and rocks and dirt and all this stuff. And then

goes into the stream and goes back to the ocean. So that process charges the water from negative ions, oxygen, and also keeps the molecular size, the size of the porosity of the cell. And that's the biggest problem with water today. When water comes from the faucet with all the things that they add for bacteria, you know, to kill bacteria, they have fluoride and also chlorine and many other things. Plastic pipes, lead, copper, many things are there.

that shouldn't be there. Now, what it does, it creates a molecule that is bigger than the porosity of the cell. Now, what happens when you drink that water? It bounces from the cell more than 80%. So less than 20 % goes inside. It's not enough for detoxifying the cell. It's not enough. And the detoxification of the body comes with good water. That's the first line of detoxification. Now, you can detoxify with food and many things, but water is essential.

You good water is the fastest way to detoxify your body now the problem that we have is that we believe that everything is liquid is water no Tea is not water coffee is not water. Coca-Cola is not water water is water. It's just one element that we cannot Falsificate we cannot make you know in any other way. That's what it is. And if you don't have that you don't have health Period so that's how important it is that people don't know all this and just changing your water

It will change your life in a way that is unbelievable. You will be able to put your body in homeostasis and also to have an immune system that is really strong. And we can see today with the COVID-19 why some people die and why some people don't. And especially the people that die are people that are over 60.

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and they have many problems, diabetes or heart disease or whatever it is. So they are not in a homeostasis. Now, people that I know that already had the COVID-19 and they went through that like a flu and that's it and it's gone. They were people that were doing the right thing and that they were in good health and everything and their immune system was working and that's it. So we don't understand that. We believe that something that comes from the environment can kill us immediately. No, no, no.

It depends on how you are right now. What is your state of being in your brain, in your heart, and in your whole body? And water is part of it. We can see in BioWell, I can measure you before and after a glass of structured water. So I measure you before, you drink a full glass of water, and then 12 minutes later, I do another BioWell session, and you will see the difference, and you won't believe that.

Because it's unbelievable what it does in the brain section. The brain is 80 % water. What it does in the brain part of your body, what it does in your legs, is amazing. And before, maybe you have cuts, have breaks, spikes, and different things. And suddenly it becomes homogeneous, which is amazing. Just a glass of water in 12 minutes.

You my website you can see a video also what it does to the blood in 12 minutes. There's a problem that we have usually when we don't have enough oxygen and negative ions in the blood. You can see the blood cells in a pile like coins called rouleaux. Okay, and they stick together like a pile of coins. Now after 12 minutes of structural water,

glass of structural water, they separate completely because now they have oxygen, they have the electrical charge. Now they repel each other, but they go through the whole body bringing that information, which is essential for health. Okay. I couldn't have it better. I loved, again, you said they are bringing the body information. It's all information. It's all that water, that structured water has a frequency. It's picking up information. So our body is like a supercomputer. We're taking whatever it is offered.

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water quality. There's such a misunderstanding about what we need and what we should do. Well, we could definitely do a whole podcast on water quality, but I would love for people to watch the video on your new healing.com www your new healing.com and watch some of these videos. When you said there's a lake in Argentina with 4,000 times the energy of normal Venezuela, Venezuela, Venezuela, can automatically like here you're like, that's where someone

heard the fountain of youth, right? Or like a modern day, like it must've come from some type of real life experience, like an exposure to a water of that quality. Well, there are many places in the world that are considered miraculous in a way. And they go, and usually they have like a water stream related to it. It's no miraculous, it's structured water. That's what it is.

And people go there because they have so many different diseases and they don't know what to do. So they wove, they pray. Usually it's associated with an angel or a virgin or whatever it is, if you are religious. But actually it's structured water. That's what it is. Now, when you go to Rarayma, you have to walk for three days to go to this place, which is on top of a mountain. And there's a village of indigenous there and they have great health.

That's the water they use for the crops, the water they use for drinking, and it's a natural thing. They live so far away from civilization that they don't have any pollution at all, you know, and the water is the way it should be. Now in Argentina, we have also places like that, which is the glacier in Patagonia in the south. Those are great places to go because the water is really amazing and you can find in different places, but usually those are places where you don't have a lot of people living there.

or a lot of visitors. It's a place that is virgin, know, let's put it that way. Pollution is everywhere, but in these places are very remote. It's like everything is taste the original way. That's all we look for, you know. But if you don't have that, if you live in a city like Chicago, whatever, or New York, whatever it is, you need something because actually you need to improve the water quality. I mean, you have to. There's no choice. You have to. So for me, it was an investment. Let's put it that way. I invested a lot of money in water, but I drink

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great water. And I believe that is the paramount thing that you can do to keep yourself healthy. Yeah, it's been something that like I know how important it is. And like I said, I had years of drinking demineralized water. And I remember one thing that was funny, along with the low minerals in my body came elevated heavy metals, because what happened from the environment of living in the city is the metals took the place of where the minerals would have been.

and that further compromised my energy. So I don't say all this stuff to overwhelm people, but it's everything overlaps. It's all related. It's not just water. It's the water, keep away the minerals, the high minerals, help with the fungal imbalance. Everything matters. And above it all, above all the structural things is energy. Because I love the picture of saying like, we can walk into a beautiful million dollar home and there's like $200,000 of appliances in the kitchen.

If you shut the breaker off in the house and you open the refrigerator and you're like, why isn't it working? And you'd be like, okay, you call somebody, you replace it, you bring a new refrigerator in. And that's, think that's what people do. They don't look at the energetic body that's powering everything. You're not going to get the results in your health if you don't look at the energetic body. And it's just not part of the conversation yet, but that's something I'd like to change with this movement, this podcast. Well, it's necessary to understand energy because actually we are energy. Everything is energy.

The only thing that we see is a representation of something from an interface of five senses that are very limited. And if we believe in that, only on that, I mean, we are lost. There's a lot more information. There are people that taught us great lessons about that. For example, Jill Bolter Taylor. Jill Bolter Taylor, you can see the talk in TED Talk. Jill Bolter Taylor is a neurologist that had a brain stroke. And on the left side, which is the learn of your brain, you know.

and being a neurologist, she knew what was going on with her and she wrote a book called A Stroke of Insight, which is amazing book. I spoke with her and I read the book and it blew me away. The way she explains how she was losing the left brain and what was happening with her in reality shows perfectly well that we cannot live just from our five senses. We can't because there's so much more than that.

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So the only thing we can do with the five senses is to have an experience and to look for a good experience. And that's living without stress, you know? So the thing is that's all we can do. Now, if you really want to know what's going on in your brain and why you have two different hemispheres and why you have different parts of the brain, that book is amazing. You can see the Ted talk, which is 18 minutes, and it will blow your brain out. And the thing is this, she was losing the left side. She was losing.

the relationship with the environment. At some point she would go into the shower and that was the part that really hit me. At some point she felt water going through the body and the wall of the bathroom disappeared and she felt that she grew enormously and she couldn't understand how she fit in that small body. She was much, much bigger than the body. And when she explains that,

When she was in that state, for her, that was Nirvana. Complete love, absolute love, no question about anything, just looking at the whole thing. And suddenly, the left brain started working again. So, we're up inside the body again. And so, she saw the two positions of her soul, actually. It was amazing. The way she explains that is really amazing. And it took eight years for her to bring back everything that she learned.

during her whole life. she had to study again and everything. Now she's fine, but she lost everything. She couldn't even talk and she couldn't walk. So for eight years, it was a stroke of the size of a golf ball, you know, in the left brain. Check it out because actually- I'm going to link it in the show notes. I got to watch it. Oh, it's really a big lesson of what we are. Amazing. Jorge, I want to be respectful of our listeners time here. And I just want to ask you a couple more questions. You know,

the beautifully broken podcast, putting the pieces back together after we fall and we get back up. What does it mean to you to be beautifully broken? Beautifully broken? I don't know, because actually I don't see myself as broken. I see myself as an entity that can be whole. And my pursuit is being whole. I've been broken many, many times in my life, you know, and you can imagine as a musician between my twenties and my thirties.

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all the things that I went through as a musician touring and going all over the world. There are drugs, there are many things you are related to. And at some point I was so broke, broken inside that I wanted to kill myself. And I didn't have any wish to live anymore. You know, I was trapped at some point. I had a tour for three months in, in Colombia, for example, and I got addicted to cocaine and cocaine was like sugar there.

and it was completely pure and I burned my nose. For example, I was bleeding from my nose while I was playing. So when I reached that point, I said, if I don't stop, I lie. And I was 28. So for some reason, I have some kind of connection with the earth and also with the quantum field. Every time I touch the deepest part of my life, there's something that pulls me back and it's, don't know. I don't know what it is. I believe that there's something else. I believe that.

the universal energy is there and that is for us to have a great life. So I've been completely broken and I've been completely healed and now I'm fine. You know, I'm 63 years old and every time I go to the doctor, they said that you don't have anything as it should be. You know, I said because they are surprised and I said, don't be surprised. I'm surprised that everybody needs to take from six to 10 pills after 60. That really surprises me.

You know, because that's not normal. We are an amazing creation. If you really understand what we are as a biological entity, this is amazing. This body is amazing. This vehicle is amazing. And we need to know as we put air in the wheels of our car and we change the oil and we choose the gas and we do all this stuff, we don't do the same thing with the body. And the body is the best vehicle that we have. It's the only one that really will be with us.

from the beginning till the end. And we don't take care of it like we care about our cars. And it's insane. To me, that's completely insane. But we never learned about that. Nobody told us that. For example, my son was in a group of Boy Scouts when he was seven or eight. And we went for a weekend with the whole Boy Scouts, parents and kids. And I happened to go in a van with another mother of another kid. And we were talking. She was overweight, very overweight.

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We were talking and she was telling me that she had diabetes and this and that and she had one kidney because another one was taking out of the body and she was drinking, I remember, Mountain Dew Diet. I was looking at that and said, but listen, you told me that you have diabetes and that you have just one kidney and you're drinking Mountain Dew Diet. You have to drink pure water.

Oh, no, no, the doctor told me that the diet is OK. So when you have that information and you don't look for anything else and you keep doing that, that lady is going to die in five years. mean, there's nothing else that we can do because actually what she needs is not giving it to the body. That's it. It's like if you pee in the tank of your car, it won't run. I mean, you can go to the mechanic and then there was all we have to change the carburetor because actually it's all dirty and OK.

doesn't tell you don't pee in the tank, put gas. Otherwise it won't run and we have to change the career again. So that's what they do. They don't teach you anything. And when you ask for the cause, no, no, no, no. We treat the effect no more. The 21st century's cause is not effect anymore. We have to go for the cause and the cause is energy, vibration and frequencies. There's nothing else. Nothing else. Everything else.

is not true. So if we really want to make changes, as Tesla said it very clearly, when science started working with frequencies, energy and vibration in 10 years will go faster and more into science than in the two centuries before. And it's true. In 10 years with frequencies, energy and vibration, you can save humanity. In 1938, a real rife cured cancer.

20 cases of terminal cancer with frequencies. We still look for the cure for cancer. That's insane. It was cured in 1938. Nobody's using that information. So we have to really take care of ourselves because nobody else is gonna do it for us. We have to start thinking about this and look for information, the real information. What is the cause of this? my doctor doesn't know. Change your doctor. Change your doctor. If your question bothers your doctor, change your doctor.

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Because your body is yours, it's not your doctor's body, it's your body. And whatever the doctor is doing with you, you're going to suffer with it. I don't care. mean, if it's a doctor and tells me something that I believe that is not true, change the doctor. As simple as that. But a lot of people are afraid of that. They think, no, well, the doctor knows. Well, some doctors know, some doctors don't know anything. Because they don't teach you nutrition in medicine. A medicine doctor don't have any nutrition at all, any knowledge about nutrition. Well, so there's...

Maybe 50 % of them know. We have to be really concerned about that. And we cannot put our bodies and our health in the hands of somebody that don't know, somebody that doesn't know what you're talking about. The basic fuel that the body needs is so important. The food, the water, nutrition, energy, mindset, it all goes into how we feel our robust, energetic body of health. And it is so important and it definitely needs to change. And I think

Just to echo your message, if you're not getting the results that you want, if you're not as healthy as you want to be, go find that person, go find that guy, go find that practitioner because they are out there. People are doing, and there's so many things. I think if I would take anything away from this, there's so many things you can do before you go to the doctor. There's so many things you can do at home tomorrow. That's what my website's here for. That's what the podcast is here for. That's what things like AmpCoil and BioWell and structured water. This is the conversation.

And Jorge and myself are watching people incorporate these things and get better and feel better. And they're doing it on their own. And I think that's I think that's so so empowering. Jorge, I want to ask you one more thing is like a proud Argentinian. What are some of the things you'd love to see come to your country as far as these modalities for health and energy and access? Well, there's a movement happening right now in Argentina is very important is sustainability in small scale.

So groups of 600 people, small towns and different rural towns in different places that before were depending on the government that is far away and then it's very difficult for them to get any help. They started this movement where they teach these small societies to start working with the elements they have in their habitat, in the natural habitat, how to do the crops and to do some kind of working with clothes or

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different things that they can start producing and exporting. And also when, you know, good water, good air, they sustainable, actually. We have to solve the problem of hunger in the world. The only way we can do that is through sustainability in small scales, but repeatedly in every city connected to the next city, trying to the next city, but not centralized the way it is right now. We have to start spreading out because as we saw,

lately with the COVID-19, something so little, so ridiculous, created such fragility in society, in the big cities like New York, Los Angeles, Berlin, Madrid, you can see it's havoc, it's crazy, just the little virus that is killing less than 3 % of the people that get sick. Imagine, I mean, it's so fragile, system. We have to be more sustainable. We have to be more in control.

And the only way is going more rural, going out of the city, going to places where everything is more pure. And then we're going to survive. We're going to survive as a species. Right now, the species is under a lot of attack. As Bruce Lipton said, it's a moment in time that we have to really think about the species, not just ourselves as individuals, but as a species, the human species. Because actually we are in extinction. And it's a big problem that we are facing right now.

Monsanto is not going to save it. Monocrops are not going to save it. Glyphosate is not going to save it. It's the small town that help each other and they create a sustainability by themselves. That's the solution for this 21st century. We know that because actually we are going through really a tough time and it's going to happen in the next 10 years. We're going to keep seeing this more and more. But this on the other side we have this other

solutions. It has to be promoted. I'm promoting that in all Latin America. I believe Latin America need that because actually they have a lot of resources. It's a continent with less people in the whole world and it's a place to really succeed. Let's put it that way. Flourish in a different way with better health, better nutrition, better thoughts. This connection between the gut, the heart and the brain, the heart-mass-talk, the heart-brain connection.

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we need that synchronization. We lost it and we have to bring it back. And the only way to bring it back is through nature. We have to go back to nature. We have to run from the big city and go back to nature. That's the solution. Yeah, we're seeing that. You know, we're seeing that we're watching this mass evacuation from San Francisco and New York everywhere. We, we see it. So I think people are obviously they're going where they have space, clean air. They want to be able to put their feet in the grass. They want

they don't want to be in an 800 square foot studio apartment or 164 apartment in New York. they can get much smaller than that. But Auri, I just want to thank you for being here. We covered so much information. It was so action packed. think this is one of the best podcasts I've ever done. I'm so excited. You speak from the heart and it shows in every word and it's just effortless and amazing. And I can't wait to connect more people on my end. I mean, I would really implore, if you're a coach,

If you're functional medicine coach, if you're a health coach, if you're a practitioner working with any modality, people love to see how they walk in your office and how they walk out. If you can show them improvement, I think that's a really beneficial thing, not only for you and your practice, but also for the mindset of that person to understand what they can do to change the energetic body. So we'll have a bunch of ways for you guys get to started with and get moving with BioWell. And that is it for now. We'll be back. We'll do another one. Does that sound good?

Yeah, of course. Whenever you you very much, Namaste. Thank you. Namaste. Thank you.

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