Biofield Tuning, Sound Healing, and Quantum Vibrations with Eileen McKusick

WELCOME TO EPISODE 175

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel (00:01.674)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I am sitting down with Eileen Mikusik. Eileen, welcome to the show.

Eileen (00:09.04)
Hey, Freddie. Thanks for having me.

Freddie Kimmel (00:11.458)
Uh, I have followed you for years and years and years, and I probably said your name like a hundred times in reverence and just celebration for the work you do in the world. So I hope you silently felt that celebration.

Eileen (00:26.172)
Well, thank you.

Freddie Kimmel (00:27.262)
Yeah, it's a real treat. I was very nervous about this interview because I just, I respect your work. I respect what you do. In the middle, right the onset of the pandemic, my friend Peggy in Connecticut, she was like, have you ever seen her this thing called the sonic slider? I was like, of course I had. And she pulled out a sonic slider and she gave me one. And it was one of those things where I used in that very like what felt like a dark like three years. Often it was next to my computer and

It was like one of my little lifelines to rebalance when I was feeling off. Yeah.

Eileen (01:01.288)
I love that. Yeah, we believe that every home should have a sonic slider for just that reason.

Freddie Kimmel (01:08.498)
Yeah, and nobody, maybe no one, a small percentage of people listening to this might know what the sonic slider is. So could you bring us in, maybe we're walking down the street in New York City, we pass each other. I'm like, oh my goodness, it's Eileen McCusick. Eileen, what would you tell a friend next to me who didn't know your body of work what you do?

Eileen (01:30.12)
Well, you know, that's been a big question of mine for the 27 years that I've been doing this is how do I describe to somebody who has no context what it is that I do. And so over the years, I've played with many different potentials around that. My most recent one is that I'm a bioelectrician.

Eileen (01:54.839)
Ha ha ha.

Freddie Kimmel (01:55.892)
I like that. And so your work would compliment the electrical body or the energetic body possibly.

Eileen (02:02.552)
Exactly. And you know, this is something that is part of my job to educate people about that. We've been so conditioned to look at ourselves chemically and mechanically that we miss the fact that our body has an electrical system. It's really kind of been hidden or where we don't see the forest for the trees, because I think most people understand that their brain waves are electric or that their heartbeat is driven and so electrically oscillating part of our being that

Freddie Kimmel (02:20.793)
Hmm.

Eileen (02:33.176)
that our blood carries a charge. Most people know that. And many people know that our bones are crystalline structures that make electricity when you compress them. And our fascia, certainly there's been an increasing interest in fascia over the last few years, but our fascia and our collagen are all semiconductors that are conducting light and information very rapidly throughout the whole system. And what all this puts together is that you have electric current.

running through you. And that's the difference between being alive and being dead. When you're alive, your light is on, you've got electric current juice flowing through you. And when you die, your light goes out. So that is the sort of most important part of your being and what I would call your conscious mind, your subconscious mind. I'd even go so far as to call our biofield, our body's electrical system, our soul.

Freddie Kimmel (03:14.669)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (03:27.885)
Yeah.

Eileen (03:27.9)
And when we start to have an understanding of this system and we work with this system, which I do with tuning forks, basically I use tuning forks to groom and rewire people's electrical system to get the noise and resistance out of the signal and the flow of it. So hence bioelectrician.

Freddie Kimmel (03:51.142)
Yeah, isn't it funny we assume there's like some division line, like between the mind and the physical, that there's like, like somehow there's like some emotional component that lives up here in the head and then everything else is just separate protein expression. That's always seemed very weird to me. Like that's a program that we all we actively or passively buy into. But from my understanding of health is I've explored the different ways in which emotions, feelings and trauma can be stored in an elbow or a knee.

Eileen (04:07.194)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (04:20.286)
or a heart, that's kind of been, that theory has been blown apart from my lived experience anyway.

Eileen (04:26.116)
Yeah, absolutely. Well, in the biofield model, anything that has electric current running through it has a magnetic field around it. So what's the energy in energy medicine? It's electricity. It's really pretty simple. And what's the aura? Well, it's the magnetic field that surrounds the electric current. And there's nothing pseudoscientific about it. It obeys laws of science that we already understand. So in this model, let me just show you a little prop that helps to illustrate it.

Freddie Kimmel (04:56.396)
Yeah.

Eileen (04:57.368)
Here's a torus. So in this model, the body sits inside this part. And this is where the electric current flows through. And then the magnetic field flows around us. So if our body is here inside our magnetic field, our biofield, which is mind, then the body is inside the mind in this model, rather than the other way around. So wherever you start to go south or out of balance in your mind, your body will follow.

And in biofield tuning, we work on the imbalances, on correcting the imbalances in the whole electrical system so that it doesn't take the body out of whack or if the body's already out of whack. You know, here's just an example, something that I see a lot. I treat a lot of people with right hip issues. People have right hip pain. And what I've observed in what I call the biofield anatomy is that the mind state that exists

Freddie Kimmel (05:34.478)
so that it doesn't take the body out of whack, or if the body's already out of whack. You know, first, just an example, something that I see a lot, I see a lot of people with right hip issues, people have right-

Eileen (05:54.528)
off the right hip in our fields relates to what I call busy body, busy mind. So these personalities have a mental body that is always thinking about to-do lists, always projecting themselves into the future. It's very Yang, very forward thinking. And the more that people are always thinking about what they've got to go do,

the more they're pulling the energy out of balance in that particular zone of their field. And so it manifests as physical pain because the electrical system is out of balance in that area. And it's the same, like you name any body part and I'll tell you the mental emotional imbalance that very often underlies that. And this is pattern recognition from working with thousands of clients over decades of work.

So it's something that I've seen over and over and over.

Freddie Kimmel (06:51.776)
Yeah, it's fascinating. It's a fascinating way to view the body. It's also exciting because it's much quicker access to a disruption than going in and drawing blood and sending it away and waiting six weeks and then waiting for somebody to tell you what's wrong.

Eileen (07:12.096)
Yeah, absolutely. That's bringing to mind, I worked with a 17-year-old woman once who was referred to me by her school counselor and she'd had a lot of trauma. We only spent an hour together, but she said, I feel like this is the first time that anybody's really seen me and heard me, because the tuning of forks and this way we bounce sound off of people and we listen to the signal really gives us an opportunity to see what's really going on and to find

historical inputs that are recorded in the biofield and see how that emotional trauma you had three years ago affected your left knee and it's never been right since and there's beliefs tied into that. There's all kinds of stuff going on, but the vibrational language that we're able to make use of, the sort of, the inaudible rhythms and tones and.

flows that the electrical system is expressing itself with, we can actually hear with a tuning fork, which is so bizarre. Like it was such a surprise to me, the ability to hold a fork over somebody and that sort of wall of sound that gets created and how it shows what is going on in the person's system. And it really allows us to get right in on whatever is going on.

Freddie Kimmel (08:28.119)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (08:32.006)
Yes, I don't want to, I had so many questions for you, but I'm, I want to go with that. So walk us through that process of what does that look like to use a tuning fork to identify or witness a disruption within the humorous energetic field? It sounds really interesting to describe that process.

Eileen (08:50.692)
Yeah, it's sort of using it like sonar. Sometimes I feel like a bat or a dolphin, like bouncing sound off of somebody. Just a pure tone. I mean, there's something about tuning forks, and I don't think it's as bad as it used to be, but certainly in the 90s and the 2000s, when I told people that I was using tuning forks for healing, that there's something about tuning forks for healing that sets off people's, what I call woo bells. And it just sounds sort of painfully woo and pseudo scientific and.

But I think it's really important to remember that a tuning fork is simply a tone generator. That's all it is. It's producing a single tone. It's an instrument that is generating a tone, a pure tone. We know almost everybody I know has a musical playlist. Almost everybody I know uses music all the time to shift their state. So we already have an understanding of the power of music, the power of instruments to change the way that we feel.

And so a tuning fork in a way is kind of like a little tiny orchestra or band. It produces all these overtones and undertones, a very complex, rich sound. And so what I do is I bounce the sound off of somebody and then I just listen to the ping back and what it does is it blends with all of the inaudible acoustic emissions that the body is giving off. And we all know

that people give off vibes. We've all had the experience of getting a good vibe off somebody or a bad vibe off of somebody. So we know that the body gives off vibes. And what happens when we bounce this full spectrum of infinite overtones and undertones and audible and inaudible ranges off of somebody's body is that those waveforms mix. And so the very, very high amplitude

No, high frequency, low amplitude waves that the body is giving off actually intersects the very high frequency, low amplitude overtones and undertones of the tuning fork. And what happens is those patterns of information precipitate down through the octaves into the hearing range. So for example, if you have arthritis in your right knee.

Eileen (11:06.716)
but you don't have it in your left knee. So I bounce sound off of your right knee, the tone that's gonna come back sounds grainy when there's arthritis. But if I bounce it off your left knee, which is healthy, I'm not gonna feel or sense or hear that grainy quality. So if what is moving in the body is moving in rhythm and is groovy, then it's gonna give off coherent vibrations.

Freddie Kimmel (11:29.414)
and it's groovy, then it's gonna give off coherent vibration. If it is moving incorrectly, if it is impassivated in some way, it's gonna give off incoherent vibration and I'll be able to define them. And like, just like a good mechanic in getting in a car, your car will be like, that bonk-a-bonk-a-sonka is your left CV. I know that sound of dysfunction is what it's doing. It's the same thing, we're cutting in.

Eileen (11:34.144)
If it is moving incorrectly, if it is incapacitated in some way, it's going to give off incoherent vibrations and I'll be able to find them and diagnose it. Just like a good mechanic can get into the car, your car, and be like, that thunka is your left CV boot. I know that sound of dysfunction and what it means. So it's the same thing. We're technicians and what we're doing is we're identifying areas where the ping back is wonky.

Freddie Kimmel (11:59.206)
we're identifying areas where the ping back is wonky. That's basic for example. And so all we do is we stay in that area wherever we find a signal that doesn't sound right. In this way the Cheney Fork acts like a mirror because it's actually reflecting the body and mind.

Eileen (12:03.216)
Basically. And so all we do is we stay in that area wherever we find a signal that doesn't sound right. So in this way, the tuning fork acts like a mirror because it's actually reflecting to the body in this sort of biofeedback way. Like, hey, you're kind of out of whack over here. Now, what's amazing is that our bodies are self tuning instruments. And just like, you know, if you haven't looked in the mirror in a while,

well you wouldn't necessarily have this problem but if your hair is a mess I might have this problem. Or you have, or you have like a poppy seed in your teeth. As soon as you see a reflection of yourself you're going to go, most people will do this, to put yourself in order, to groom, to put yourself in order. So the biofield is no different when it gets a reflection of itself out of order it wants to put itself in order. We're designed to be in harmony.

Freddie Kimmel (12:36.502)
My hair can get messy, let's be real.

Eileen (12:59.844)
So the tuning fork acts like a mirror because it provides this reflection. It acts like a metronome because it's keeping a steady, constant rhythm that the body can balance itself off rhythmically. It's producing a pure tone, so the body has the opportunity to balance itself tonally. And then what's really wild is that a vibrating tuning fork will also act like a magnet.

Freddie Kimmel (13:04.087)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (13:26.412)
So if there is an imbalance in our magnetic field, like going back to that right hip, if your mind is always going to the future and it's not in the now, then we can find that imbalance literally in your body's electrical system. And I'm gonna encounter it as a kind of feeling of resistance or energetic jam up. As I'm moving the fork, this is a really wild thing. Like you're moving the fork through the field and all of a sudden it feels like it gets stuck. And you're like, what? I'm stuck.

Freddie Kimmel (13:40.802)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (13:56.036)
Now obviously you can override that, right? But what you're doing is you're encountering like, wow, there's like excess magnetic energy here. So then the team for it becomes like a magnetic stylus where I can actually adjust the way that the energy is flowing through the field. And I can hook into it, I call it click, drag and drop where I go into that area of resistance and actually adjust it and pull it into the midline of the body.

Freddie Kimmel (13:56.567)
Wow.

Freddie Kimmel (14:04.299)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (14:17.554)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (14:23.952)
which then changes the way electricity is flowing through the body. So there's a lot of things going on, this sort of reflection, this ability for the body to tone itself, its rhythm and its tone, and then this adjustment and alignment that we do as well with the fork. So biofil tuning is really just helping your organizing intelligence to get your electrical system in order rhythmically.

tonally and along the right pathways of flow.

Freddie Kimmel (14:58.33)
What is the process of somebody working with tuning forks to improve health, improve vitality? Is it important for them to witness the disruption and be an active participant in that change? Or is it as simple as being present for the therapy, you're doing work on somebody, and they're on their merry way? What's been your experience with that?

Eileen (15:24.472)
a bit of both, right? Because here's the thing, I can work on the patterns that have been generated, but you're responsible for generating the patterns. So part of what I do is I help to train you to train your mind to stay in balance. Because you know you can have this habit of always thinking about the future.

Freddie Kimmel (15:31.49)
Yes.

Eileen (15:51.848)
and to the point where you're neurotic about it and you keep getting right hip pain. And you come see me and I can straighten your mind out. And I can be like, I'm gonna adjust you, I'm gonna put you back in order, I'm gonna let your body feel what it feels like to be centered, to be present in the moment, right? And this is the whole point of sound healing. Any, whether it's tuning forks, whether it's balls, gongs, whatever, it's all with the intention of bringing you into a regulated,

Freddie Kimmel (16:01.299)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (16:20.68)
coherent present moment, grooviness. Like, here I am, and I'm good, and I'm here in this moment, and I'm regulated, right? Because trauma, so many of us have had traumatic inputs, create this incoherence, this dysregulation, these bad habits, bad wiring, whatever we inherited from our parents, and there's a whole lot of cultural distortions that have hijacked us. So,

Freddie Kimmel (16:25.769)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (16:49.412)
I have to, in order to make you not dependent on me every time your right hip hurts, I'm going to train you to watch your mind and to notice if your hip starts twinging, what were you just thinking about? I'm going to train you to use your mind in a more balanced way so that you can keep yourself in order instead of going off the rails. Now that's a process.

If we've had a lot of trauma, if you're 70 years old and you've had a lot of trauma, then it's gonna take some time to retrain your system. If you're 21 and you haven't had a lot of trauma, we can do a lot in a pretty short amount of time. So it's a combination of what I can do from the outside, but ultimately we're all responsible for the health or illness that our body is experiencing.

Freddie Kimmel (17:23.906)
You train your system. If you're 21, you have to...

Eileen (17:44.976)
It might have been from toxins, it might have been from bad habits, it might not be our fault at all. But it is your body and you're the only one who can govern what patterns are being generated in it.

Freddie Kimmel (17:58.306)
your body and you are the only one who can govern what pattern you're in. Yeah. I would be interested to hear your experience. As Americans, we love the gold star, we love a comeback story, we love these, well, my grandmother was in a walker and then she threw it away and she hiked the Siberian Trail, whatever it is. What are the limitations of using something like biofield tuning, working with the electrical intelligence of the body?

We've got a bone on bone knee. You know, we've got somebody in a, and there's an organ system that for whatever reasons, choosing to really shut down. What's been your experience in some of those cases that are more extreme as far as a physical presentation or manifestation of disease?

Eileen (18:38.032)
Well, one of the things I say is that we've used biofiletini to treat mild to moderate disorders. That it's really, ideally, it's a practice for getting you out of your mild to moderate disorder and then training you to stay gearing yourself towards radiant, vibrant well-being through good self-care, through self-awareness, through recognizing that you can deprogram and reprogram yourself. I have personally...

always have self-education going on many other things other than tuning. For example, I know that the best way to replace cartilage isn't with chondroitin or any of these things. You need gelatin. I would say, I'm going to send you home with a sonic slider and I want you to take gelatin because that actually will help your body to regrow cartilage.

unlike anything else that's out there and it's cheap and it's really easy to do. So I definitely have figured out what other things are out there to help people and for me as a provider, I'm going to pull from different disciplines to help support the places where biofield tuning falls short. But where I think biofield tuning does really, really well is things like what we might call psychosomatic illness.

Freddie Kimmel (19:40.895)
So I definitely have figured out...

Eileen (20:04.752)
Just for an example, I'll never forget the time that I was working at a spa here in Vermont doing 15 minute sessions poolside for people on this wellness day thing that they did. And I had an older lady come and sit down in my chair and she was complaining that she had all of this left shoulder pain and it had just been going on and on and it hurt so much and she'd had MRIs and this. And there was nothing physiologically wrong with her.

But when I went in and poked around and started bouncing sound off that, I found that she had this very heavy cloud of heavy energy off that left shoulder. Now I know from pattern recognition that shows up when people have a lot of grief. And I said to her, have you lost someone close to you in the last year to two years? And she said, yes, my husband died 18 months ago and I just can't get over how sad I feel.

Freddie Kimmel (20:46.894)
I asked her, have you lost someone close to you in the last two years? And she said, yes, my husband died 18 months ago and I just can't get over how bad. And so I did an adjustment where I took that little heavy cloud of energy and

Eileen (20:57.516)
And so I did an adjustment where I took that little heavy cloud of energy and I brought it to the midline and I witnessed her in that grief. I helped her to recognize and to digest what was going on there. And as and it took 15 minutes and as soon as we were done, she rotated her arm and she said all the pain is gone. Okay. So that was an electrical system issue related to the accumulation of the heavy energy of grief.

in that particular zone of the biofield. So I was able to shift that, and then the heaviness went away, and she was just like, oh my gosh, I can't even believe it, right? So those kinds of things, that's really different than if you have a torn rotator cuff. I can't wave my magic wand and move around energy and fix that because your body has to heal that torn rotator cuff. Now, I can help.

Freddie Kimmel (21:48.523)
because nobody has to feel that.

Eileen (21:53.152)
relaxed secondary and tertiary patterns of tension that have arisen from that. I can help you to understand the underlying reason why you got that tear in that particular place because of all the heaviness and sadness that you've been carrying around and you were by yourself and you had to carry that heavy box up the stairs by yourself and you're sad that your partner isn't there to do it with you and then you blow out your shoulder right so

Freddie Kimmel (22:14.838)
your partner isn't there, do it with you, and then you blow out your shoulder. Yeah. So it just depends on what's going on. We've had a tremendous amount of success with anxiety. Mm-hmm.

Eileen (22:20.024)
It just depends on what's going on. We've had a tremendous amount of success with anxiety. Anxiety is a rhythmic pattern of dysfunctional energy flow in the body. And tuning helps tremendously to shift that out so that the body can find a better rhythm to move at, to become more grounded, to become more integrated.

But if there's, you know, if disease has gone deeply into the body, then it's kind of out of our wheelhouse. We are absolutely not, the Western medicine has failed and I'm at death's door, save me. That is not what we do, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (23:00.05)
Yeah. Well, I think it's, you know, it's just, it's good to frame for people. I think it's, um, again, a lot of times I witness people, they go from lily pad to lily pad. They're like, well, I tried the hyperbaric, and then I tried the tuning fork and then I tried the stem cell and it's, it's this process of throwing things away and saying, uh, within the story that thing didn't work for me. Well, in my head, I was like, I, I can see the thing in a

and non-binary and fashion. It's like, wait a minute, hyperbaric absolutely is helping oxygenate your tissue. It didn't heal your late stage chronic MS. However, I don't think you should throw it away. Just like I would say the tuning fork has its place at the table. Um, frequency therapy for sure, which is I've the last five or six years has just been kind of the container I've lived in. Um, the value of sound frequency, pulsed electromagnetics, all these things.

an electrical wave, a magnetic wave to stimulate or encourage recovery of the cell. It's like the cell is a battery. So it deeply resonates with me as holding a place at the table always. And it's going to be individual like hyper-personalized medicine is for all of us. Um, how did you get into this work? Did you always understand there was some deep knowing of

Um, vibrational healing available to everyone at all times, or is this a, did this happen from, uh, culmination of life experiences?

Eileen (24:29.476)
Yeah, I would say I stumbled down a hole and just kept falling. Just still falling down that hole. Yeah, still learning all the time. Still opening up new pathways within it. I definitely discovered early on that I had a passion for health and human potential and spirituality.

Freddie Kimmel (24:36.11)
still following.

Eileen (24:58.0)
and how to optimize one's potential. I think so many people really struggle with that, that they're stuck inside themselves, they know that they have gifts, brilliance, potential. Everybody has a glimpse or a sense of what their own potential is as a healthy, vibrant human sharing your gifts in the world, developing and sharing your gifts.

and being of service and being of use, right? I think people want and need to feel that way, that everyone has an inner superhero. Everybody does, and everybody is great. But unfortunately, our experience in this world has really kind of done the opposite. It makes us feel primarily the biggest thing that most people struggle and suffer with is not feeling worthy.

Freddie Kimmel (25:35.437)
Yeah.

Eileen (25:50.916)
that they have this dichotomy of knowing that they're amazing, but then believing that they're not worthy. And so they get stuck in between those places, and that's where self-sabotage and procrastination and illness and drama and all of these things come in and feed the dysregulation. And what we know that we want to get to this place of regulation, of coherence, and like you said, the lily pad to lily pad, we're trying to get there. We're trying to find what it is we're missing.

And I spent many years feeling like something is missing. There's an important piece here that I was like, I'm a truth digger. And so in 1996, when I came across vibrational medicine, it just made a lot of sense in the context of what I'd learned up to that point, that if everything is fundamentally a field of vibrating information and light and that solidity is an artifact of human perception, then treating vibration with vibration

just makes a lot of sense. It's logical. And so I went off to figure out what I could learn about the use of color and sound and music and light and healing. And then that led to finding a set of tuning forks and starting to use them. I was doing massage therapy part time and I got this set of forks and I started playing with them and I never stopped playing with them. You know, people are always telling me like, I have tuning forks, but I don't use them because I don't know what to do with them.

Freddie Kimmel (27:03.31)
And then that led to finding 17 forks and starting to use them. I was seeing this on therapy part-time. I got this set of forks and I started playing with them and I never stopped.

Eileen (27:21.02)
But I didn't either. And in some ways, I still don't. I'm still learning. I'm still discovering new things with binaural beats, with different frequencies, with techniques on the body. I just follow my curiosity. And it took me on this journey that I never would have believed possible. I went to college as an adult. I wrote a master's thesis called Exploring the Effects of Audible Sound on the Human Body and its Biofield. That turned into my first book.

It's tuning the human biofield. And then my second book, Electric Body, Electric Health. And just kind of like, I want to know how I can be the best version of myself. And I would say it's, in a way, the whole thing has been very selfish. How can I heal my childhood trauma?

Freddie Kimmel (28:07.109)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (28:13.532)
How can I heal all of the bad inputs and lies that I was told or misinformation about what it means to be human? How can I thrive in this game of life? Keep my health meter up, keep my wealth meter up, stay in the game, help other people. And so it's all part and parcel of figuring out what makes us tick, what makes us function, what makes us dysfunction.

And how can I help liberate my own inner superhero and then help liberate other people to do the same for themselves so that then they can do the same for others? And that's exactly what biofield tuning has done. You know, we have thousands of students and practitioners all over the world now. I started teaching in 2010 and it's just incredibly multiplied. And it really is.

about just getting the noise out of the signal so that we can be the amazing beings that we are.

Freddie Kimmel (29:16.996)
Yeah, I hear that on such a deep spiritual and physical level that the noise does creep in or the person has failed to be able to turn down the volume enough to really hear their own true internal song. Because I know when I am in alignment with my mission to whatever that is, it changes from year to year.

that I'm, I wake up easier. There's more joy. There's more pep in my step around all things. There's no arduous nature. But I remember growing up when I was just saying this to someone yesterday, it was like the default mode to talk to people when I would, people would just complain as a default, complain about the weather, complain about their job, complain about taxes and, and until you know, a different way of being, um, that is a really strong signal or frequency that is coloring.

everything you do in life. So I always say I celebrate, I celebrate the people that are lucky enough to break free of that program and explore something else. What do you think as far as frequency therapy? Do you see it, do you see a possibility in which it's incorporated into modern day allopathic medicine, emergency rooms, a nursing station?

Eileen (30:41.796)
Yes and no, in part because we've got a real paradigm disconnect here. Western medicine is very materialistic, it's very chemical, it's very mechanical, it's very reductive whereas this approach is working with the body's electrical system. We can do it at a distance, so we're working in the state of matter of resonance and the ether, which most people just is not part of their worldview.

Freddie Kimmel (30:48.279)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (31:10.843)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (31:11.376)
The whole biofield thing is considered a battleground, and there's debate as to whether it even exists or not, which I find completely ridiculous. Like, I just, I can't even believe that people are trying to prove it or not prove it. Like, we know that there's electricity in the body. We know this. And Sally Addy just wrote a book called, "'We Are Electric'," and it goes in depth.

about all of the electricity and the electrical functions and what electricity does in the body. It's not just a byproduct of chemical interactions, it's primary. So we also know in science that anything that has an electric current running through it has a magnetic field around it. That would be your aura, your energy field. And this is so basic. I don't even understand why there's a debate. I just don't even get it. I'm like, guys, we can solve this problem in under 30 seconds.

Freddie Kimmel (32:06.048)
Yeah.

Eileen (32:06.232)
Of course there is an electrical system. Of course there is a magnetic field. So why are we arguing about it? Why don't we just figure out how to do medicine in this because it's much more elegant, it's much more immediate. The biofield is primary, it's like the blueprint. And if anything's wrong in the electrical system, it's gonna show up in the physical body. So, you know, there's been this people who have been conditioned very much.

Freddie Kimmel (32:23.329)
Mm.

Eileen (32:35.196)
to see energy medicine as pseudoscientific, even as taboo. I mentioned this in my first book that I had a bunch of teenage boys in the car one day, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna say a phrase to you, and I want you to say the first thing that comes to mind. And this 13-year-old boy, when I said energy medicine, he said taboo.

Freddie Kimmel (32:40.886)
Hmm

Eileen (32:58.664)
Right? So there's this very weird psychological programming that has infiltrated people's minds that we have to get over that hump. Right? So where I'm actually maybe making headway that might help to break down that ideological barrier that people in Western medicine have been programmed with.

Freddie Kimmel (33:19.582)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (33:23.932)
is in January we're going to be starting a biofield sports therapy program at the G.C. Foster College of Physical Education and Sport in Spanish Town, Jamaica. And this is a four-year college that actually has a four-year sports massage program and we're coming in January to introduce the tuning forks to them to use on-body but also to do field adjustments. Now because this is a sports

And they're really interested in solving a lot of the problems that they have with sports. So young people getting taken out of the game early with injuries that they can't recover from. Biofield tuning absolutely helps people recover from injuries faster. Both the field adjusting and the on-body work stimulates recovery much faster. But it also.

Freddie Kimmel (34:14.461)
Hmm.

Eileen (34:19.356)
helps people with performance. So it isn't even just about like healing from your trauma, but really about getting your whole system in alignment and in a state of flow. And that optimizes people's performance. So we'll be able to determine, okay, this person had a series of biofield sports therapy interventions. Are they running faster? Are they jumping higher? Are they playing better? Are people recovering faster from injuries? We'll be able to start collecting all of that.

data and we'll be able to see it in the athletes. And so what's more normal than sports? So to me, this, you know, and also Jamaicans in my experience get the whole vibe thing. They just get it. You know, when I was meeting with the president of this college and his team, and these are all black sports athlete,

Freddie Kimmel (34:55.778)
Great. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (35:05.335)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (35:17.124)
What is it when you're also a good student? There's a name for that. I can't think of it. Yeah, I mean, they're kind of people, right? They're smart and they're athletic. And I, you know, little white me, all these big black guys, and there was not an ounce of sexism, of racism, of dogma, of the mechanistic view in the way. Like they totally saw and got.

Freddie Kimmel (35:22.258)
Uh, academia all-star. I don't know.

Eileen (35:46.436)
what it was that I was showing them and they saw the value in it. Whereas if I had been in a college in America with a bunch of guys in America, I would have felt sexism. I would have felt like the judgment of all of the stuff. Who's this female, the master's degree and like waving tuning forks around. But in Jamaica, they just got it. And so I think that as we start to bring it into normal things like sports and people will be like, oh yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (35:50.787)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (35:58.286)
Sure.

Freddie Kimmel (36:04.087)
Yeah.

Eileen (36:15.176)
Of course the body has electric current running through it. Of course it has a magnetic field around it. Magnetic fields, we know, guide and inform electric currents in the body. So adjusting the magnetic field to change the way electricity is flowing in the body makes perfect sense. Right? So that's what we're aiming for, is this sort of paradigm shift where people see very clearly that this is so, so that we can just get on with the business of putting it to work.

instead of arguing whether it even exists or not.

Freddie Kimmel (36:47.874)
Yeah. I always find it's interesting when we, you know, we have so many diagnostic tools that we use in Western medicine, like the MRI, like the EKG, uh, heart rate variability for looking at nervous system tone, you know, looking at the individual timestamps between each heartbeat and saying, I've witnessed it enough. I have a great system here at the house, which scans predominant brainwave states and HRV. So I can put someone on a Tesla coil and I can watch a 30 minute, uh, session later. Their nervous system is like,

in total healing, total rest and digest in a very, very short amount of time. And it's just wild to me. And I understand it's like access and experience, but I do think it's coming. And I was just on a podcast before us in which there's a new lab in Arizona looking at multi-level, multi-omics. So looking at the metabolic activity of every protein, every gene, every microbiome.

And this scientist is telling me all about the Warburg effect, about the cellular voltage and charge and looking at cancer signatures. And I was just like, wow, it's cool to see these conversations starting to intertwine, you know, and really realizing, really realizing that these disease signatures start a couple decades before they present with tumors.

And we're proving this out definitively. There is no question in science that these disease signatures start at very young ages and in balances in the body. And if it's not physical, if it's not a protein expression, then what is it?

Eileen (38:23.948)
Yeah, I mean, it's a vibe. It's a total signal and it's off rhythm and it's out of tune and it's a Kimbo and it can't find its proper expression. And so then that turns into disease in time. So that's where biofield tuning really comes in is working on those things before they express in the body or when they're just beginning to express in the body and changing it up so that the body starts.

Freddie Kimmel (38:24.682)
It's a signal. Yeah, it's a vibe. It's a

Eileen (38:52.488)
producing itself in its harmony expression.

Freddie Kimmel (38:57.726)
Yeah. And I would also say it to just to offer anybody, whatever your state of severity, why not take a couple of straws off the camel's back, you know, knowing that this does have value on all levels. And so even improving quality of life, I think, and maybe it's not the person struggling with late stage disease, maybe it's the caretaker, but there's a role there for it. And again, I just, I love the conversation when things are this accessible, you know, we're not talking about a

an incredibly heavy tool, we're not talking about an incredibly expensive tool, or a big barrier to entry where people can get access to this stuff. So it's definitely, again, I just, I think it should be on the list for everybody to look at and explore. Eileen, there's so many people out there that have done paralleled work, whether it's like, oh goodness, who is the resonance effect, Carol? Do you know Carol? She does a frequency-specific microcurrent. She'll use...

Eileen (39:55.048)
Do you know where our last name is?

Freddie Kimmel (39:57.118)
Carol, I always butcher this. I want to say McKay Kearn. Oh, God, she's a genius. Anyways, she uses stim pads and two channels. And so she'll send, you know, four hertz and 40 hertz. And in the middle of the cross pattern, she gets this effect on different tissues in the body. She's quantified all her work. Fascinating. There's Royal Rife. There's a myriad of different people doing work and sound.

Oh, goodness, who's the guy at Skidmore University in Pennsylvania? He was shattering, using resonant field to shatter pancreatic cancer cells. There's been so much work. Is there somebody you're following now that's really lighting you up in the field or you love listening to?

Eileen (40:45.636)
You know, I have to tell you, it's so interesting. My work has really evolved. So at the moment, I'm more interested in singing and dancing than I am in following people who are learning about sound. Like where my own journey was really about, for me, how do I get free? How do I liberate that inner superhero? How do I liberate my potential and my gifts as a human being?

Freddie Kimmel (41:00.654)
Sure.

Eileen (41:13.292)
And so over the years, I mean, I've given and received thousands of biofilting sessions, just so many, and really healed so much of my childhood wounding and found and retrieved those parts of myself that kind of got lost along the way. And where that healing journey has brought me is to the power of the human voice. So

Over the last few years, I've been working with Isaac and Toral Corrin, and we developed a program called Sing the Body Electric, which is basically it's toning. It's a lot of toning. And we discovered very specific sounds that resonate in very specific areas of the body. And a lot of them are sounds that infants naturally make as they're exploring their own human instrument. So for example, the sound goo. When you goo.

that sound, it resonates the spine. The sound ga resonates like the sphincter area. The sound gi resonates the nerves coming off the spine. Pa resonates in the liver. Ma resonates in the spleen and so on. And there's like 40 different sounds that really like we've investigated the whole body. And so what we do is we take people on this journey through the sonic anatomy.

Freddie Kimmel (42:14.129)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (42:18.112)
Mmm.

Eileen (42:37.18)
And what that does is it liberates their singing voices. Because what I've found in our culture is that most people have really lost their voice. For whatever reason, you ask how many people love and enjoy their singing voice in any group, and very, very few people are gonna raise their hands. You ask how many people would love to be able to do that, and practically everybody raises their hands. So I've been focused on the biofield anatomy and using sound from the outside to shift things up.

And where this led me was the sonic anatomy and the power of our own voices to shift things up from the inside. So if you combine these two things, then you, you know, we are sound healers. There's nothing more powerful, versatile, available or free than our own voices. And so that, that has been my area of interest. But just this week.

I discovered the genre of electro swing. And did you know that existed as a genre music? No, I didn't either. And I've been finding the playlists of my dreams. So really where what I'm interested in listening to, I hate to say this, it sounds really vain, but just myself as an artist, as a human free to sing and dance.

Freddie Kimmel (43:39.33)
I didn't. No.

Eileen (43:58.08)
and using that to support my health and wellbeing. And also helping other people. The Sing the Body Electric programs, we do them fairly regularly. And I can't tell you how exciting it is to help people to liberate their own voice and to come out of a program feeling like they can sing. And we don't even sing, it's eight hours. What we do is we have people sing Happy Birthday.

Freddie Kimmel (44:19.639)
Yeah.

Eileen (44:23.056)
themselves at the beginning and then you go through like eight hours of all these different tones we don't sing a song and then we have you sing happy birthday at the end and what people experience is that they're more playful they're more joyful they're more soulful they're more embodied and they don't give a damn what anybody else thinks they're just interested in their own experience of playing with expression right so that's freedom because it's by our word that we create our life

Freddie Kimmel (44:45.9)
Yeah.

Eileen (44:51.508)
And if you are complaining and you're just complaining up here in your head, then you're gonna have a stupid life. But if you're creating and declaring and imagining with a voice that's coming from your whole body, you're gonna have a very different experience of your life.

Freddie Kimmel (45:11.358)
Yeah, yeah, you're speaking my language. So I did, I had done, the audience know this, but I had done music theater in New York for like 20 years and done all the music theater Broadway stuff. And having retired for two or three years, what's been fascinating is to reclaim my voice because what I realized when I would go back and sing and every like two months I'll do a concert here in Austin, Texas, and pick a couple like.

you know, American music theater classics. But I would have a lot of stress and anxiety around the experience. You know, I'd worry about, well, I haven't been warming up every day and my voice, you know, I didn't phrase this right. This could have been better. There was so much critic because my livelihood had been based on walking into a room and being good enough to get a paycheck, which allowed me to eat and then experience life. So it's this interesting.

It's interesting unwinding that, but I'm vocalizing every day. You know, I sing every day and I realize how much I love to vocalize. I mean, it is like probably, um, yeah, it's one of my top biohacks that in language right now, I'm really into the fascinating way in which we can use the language is just talk about opening a ceiling and what's possible.

Eileen (46:28.42)
Yeah, I'm with you. I'm always dissecting words and contemplating how they sound and how they influence us and word choice. I don't use the phrase raise your vibration because it's technically incorrect. That's not really what we're doing. And that speaks to this hierarchy as somehow higher is better. How does that make the bass players feel when everybody's talking about high vibes?

Freddie Kimmel (46:53.314)
Yeah.

Eileen (46:56.54)
Even just from a brainwave perspective, we need delta waves to sleep, we need low vibrations. So what we're trying to do is not technically or literally raise our vibration. What we really want to do is get our vibration in tune. Then we want to become clear. And then we want to raise our voltage. We want to have plenty of electric juice moving through our system so that we've got the energy and the focus to do all the things we want to do.

Freddie Kimmel (47:08.782)
Thanks for watching!

Eileen (47:25.372)
And what's really happening is that in clarifying our signal and raising our voltage, it expands our consciousness. We expand out in every direction. We don't just go up. It's not that linear. Things grow spirally, spherically from the center out. And so that choice of language, even for something like that, like let's be more precise in what we're talking about and what's actually happening.

Freddie Kimmel (47:37.89)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (47:53.822)
Yeah. Do you know the translation of Abracadabra?

Eileen (47:58.682)
Something about make it so as I say make it so or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (48:03.094)
With my words, I do create. I always love that. That's my buddy Mark England, who has a program called Enlifted, which is all about words to enlift the experience. I always really like that phrase. I want to go back. I don't think the fact that what you're into now is singing and dancing and exploring or that that's selfish or vain. I think it's beautiful and it reminds us that the true work is like the embodiment of the things we're passionate and teaching about.

Eileen (48:14.085)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (48:33.222)
And that through the cultivation of our own harmonization or bringing clarity into your message, that you, you become a magnet for other people and they're like, I want what she's having. So you do as far as like impact or making change in the world. I think that's a beautiful way just to, to own your focus and what you're spending your time on. So I celebrate that for you.

Eileen (48:54.712)
Yeah, thank you. And it's also just fun. I mean, my experience of making singing with other people, singing and dancing, like what's more fun than that? And I think sometimes this whole healing journey can seem so serious. But I'll tell you what, the reason why you heal is so you can have fun, is so you can play more. When you're not in pain, you have the opportunity to joke more, to laugh more, to enjoy more. Like...

Life is full, we're built for pleasure, we're built for enjoyment. And I think when we're downstream of so many generations of trauma and even just the few years of trauma that we went through, everybody starts getting really serious about life and serious about healing. And it's almost like, if I'm just like, hey, I just want to have a good time. You know, is that too shallow? I don't think so. I think that if we want to be healthy, we have to have pleasure.

Freddie Kimmel (49:26.721)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (49:45.098)
now.

Eileen (49:50.296)
and enjoyment be part of that. And I personally don't know of anything that's more enjoyable for me than making music with other people.

Freddie Kimmel (49:59.846)
Yeah, it is. It's profound. That's on my list. I love, I just had started going to, there's a great ecstatic dance here in Austin, Texas, a big community dance. If nobody's done ecstatic dance is you don't really talk to anybody else. You just go in your boogie for three hours and they have a great DJ and just, you get lost in space. My, I had this moment of awareness and I was like, Oh my God, this dance, this dance floor is like the macro of the micro.

It's like every personality type and every interaction you could imagine swirling around you. And I was like, it was just so meta. I was like, brought me to tears a couple of times in which it was just a representation of all the things that we try to manage at the same time and hold all these multiple realities on a dance floor. Um, it was really beautiful that was, uh, that was last weekend. Have you ever done that ecstatic dance?

Eileen (50:51.508)
Nice. I have. I've done some ecstatic dance. I did find that the couple of times I've done it, the tracks go just a little too... I like rhythm and I like rhythm. And so sometimes music that it goes too long without some drums kind of starts to annoy me. But if there's good rhythm in it, then I'm happy to...

Freddie Kimmel (51:02.57)
Uh huh. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (51:09.719)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (51:15.446)
Yeah.

Eileen (51:17.148)
But I just started taking swing lessons. So that's how I discovered the electro swing because I went on YouTube to find music to practice to. And I was like, oh my God, there's this wonderful genre. And what it does, like the best tracks, is it combines music of the last 100 years. So it's got the sort of old time jazzy or big band kind of music, but then it's got some techno and some electronic.

Freddie Kimmel (51:19.746)
How cool.

Freddie Kimmel (51:32.77)
Mm-hmm.

Eileen (51:40.504)
music elements to it. And there's just something about this amalgamation of a hundred years of music that my body is just like, oh yes, this is, this is what I've been looking for. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (51:49.086)
Yeah. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna go look that up on a playlist. I have a couple, I have some more. I wanna be mindful of your time and our hour, but I have some questions I'd love to ask you around. I wanna go back and circle to this idea of the physical body and the energetic body and the spiritual body. You know, I love this analogy. And one thing I wanna go back to just for the audience, the tuning fork is always.

inspired and amazed me. The idea that you can have two tuning forks, they're not alive, but you whack one and waves and particles travel through space, the other tuning fork picks up the information and starts to sing. That, like, I know it's simple, it's always amazed me. I was like, what is this universe that we live in? And so pulling back from that, the idea that it's all a vibration, that's all particles and little...

particles smaller than we could ever understand, that there isn't a solid. You'd whack the table before, like why does my hand not go through if it's all moving particles? Why does it not go through the table? You know, there's a lot of things we just don't have an explanation for. So with that, do you think that Freddie, me, this particle vibrational expression, after the physical body is done, do you think this pattern maintains somewhere?

Do you think this pattern goes on?

Eileen (53:12.348)
So that's a really good question. And actually, I just raised this on my Facebook page recently. I was like, reincarnation, let's discuss. What do you think? So on the one hand, I certainly see that the biofield, your body's electrical system, is where all your memories are stored. That's part of biofield tuning. The biofield anatomy is like different memories are stored in different areas, all in this area out here, all in your field, in standing waves. That's where all your memories are.

So that's your soul and your soul has recorded all of your memories. When you die and your light goes out, I would say all those memories go with you, right? But it's sort of a question of, okay, well does your biofield like, does it remain individuated with that information and then pop into a new human suit? And are all of those experiences?

Freddie Kimmel (54:01.646)
Hmm.

Eileen (54:05.98)
there for you. Certainly if you see child prodigies, I mean on YouTube is full of these kids who just like play musical instruments and you're just like, how is that even possible, right? How is that even possible unless that person came top back in with their biofield and it's got all the information of when they played before. But

Freddie Kimmel (54:11.946)
Yes. Go Google that.

Eileen (54:28.712)
there is the possibility that individuation that information just kind of goes back into the one into the morphic field of all human experiences and that some people are just aligned to tap that information that's in the field in general so you know i'm on the fence i'm one of those people like i'm not going to say i believe in something unless i know right i don't know i've seen evidence that

The biofield retains all the information that it gleaned and it just keeps going in new human suits until you decide you're done, right? I've finished the levels. I can plan another planet now. So I don't know, but that's definitely possible.

Freddie Kimmel (55:07.186)
Yeah, right. Finish the levels. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I just, I appreciate your insight on it. I try not to spend too much time thinking about it because we don't know and we'll never know. And yeah, and if someone wanted to figure it out, I don't think they'd make it really easy. That's just my thought on it.

Eileen (55:24.592)
Yeah, exactly.

Eileen (55:29.48)
No, and it would kind of be a spoiler if we knew too. That's kind of how I look at it.

Freddie Kimmel (55:32.134)
It would be a spoiler. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, the limited time that we have in these bodies, I find it really, it drives creativity. It drives us to take risk and really put things on the edge sometimes. So I appreciate the design. Whoever did it, I'm just giving you a little gratitude this morning, great designer. Have you ever seen, because I've also seen instances in where someone was...

relatively older, 30 years old, 35, and they'll get a concussion. And when they wake up from the concussion, then they add four new languages, or then they can play the concert piano. So it was like, where did that come in?

Eileen (56:12.448)
Yeah. Where did that come in? I recently read about somebody that got struck by lightning and afterwards could like play some instrument, like, like how, when you don't have any muscle memory, how on earth could you possibly sit down and like, just do that? But I mean, who knows, right? I think that that's the.

Freddie Kimmel (56:30.196)
Yeah.

Eileen (56:31.804)
That's a possibility that something dislodged and now you just have access to that level of memories in your field. I mean, it's possible. Or you just access that level of information in the collection.

Freddie Kimmel (56:39.15)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (56:44.83)
Yeah, I wonder, you know, this idea about the biofield and we've all heard stories and examples of great creators and great thinkers throughout time taking naps or having no clue how to solve a problem. And then they go into some sort of a dream state, a psychedelic state, and they come back with a fully functional version of a device, a rocket, an equation for E equals M2 squared, whatever it was, something that just wasn't

Eileen (57:06.79)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (57:12.162)
There was nothing to prove it out, but they like thought it into being. Is another fascinating concept to me of using that. It must be accessing the biofield, right?

Eileen (57:22.116)
Mm-hmm. Whether it's your own biofield with a little B or the big biofield with a big B.

Freddie Kimmel (57:27.786)
Yeah, the little B or the big B. The little B or the big B. If I could give you a magic wand and you could wave it and you get to talk to everybody on the planet for a little bit, everybody tunes into your TV and screen, what would you offer the people of the planet right now if you could get a couple minutes?

Eileen (57:48.28)
You know, what comes to mind is kind of simple, and it's just to believe in yourself. You know, believe in your own insight into your own talents or greatness or mission. I think sometimes people get given big talents and big missions and they really struggle with not feeling worthy. And I'll tell you that any thoughts or feelings you have of unworthiness are a mind virus. They're a program in the game to govern you, to inhibit you, to limit you, but they're not self.

So any beliefs or stories or words or anything that you have that you're not worthy of whatever God is calling you to do are simply not self and not true. And you want to delete them. Pew, pew, just and really believe in whatever you're being called to do and gain the experience and take the risks and believe in yourself. Nobody else can believe in you but you. Nobody else can see what you were designed and built for, what your special song is, what your special gift is.

that we're all here at this time for a reason. And as, like we need you, we need you to own what you know you have inside and not let the small voices get in the way of you doing whatever it takes to liberate that part of you into the world.

Freddie Kimmel (59:06.162)
Yeah, that is great advice. Believe in you. We need you at your very best. The world definitely does right now. And then I would also ask you because we're on the beautifully broken podcast, as you, whenever it was in your life multiple times had moved through a dark night of the soul or a piece of adversity, what advice would you turn around and give your younger self that was struggling at that?

Eileen (59:12.346)
Yeah.

Eileen (59:31.848)
I must have done it. I think the hardest thing I've ever been through was when my mom died when I was 24, 25. And I'd never lost anyone. She was the first person I lost. And I was one of those rare people that had a really great mom. And my heart was so heavy, I felt like it was going to pull me onto the floor and I just wouldn't get up. And what I did was sing.

I sang and I just put, you know, there were certain CDs that I just played over and over and over again and I sang at the top of my lungs. And it was that singing that moved energy through my body that made me get up and go to work, that, you know, take a shower. So if you're in a place where you are heavy with grief or heavy with anything, sing, find the songs you love and sing and sing and sing and don't care how you sound.

just really move that sound current through you. And that is, I think, some of the best medicine that anybody can do when they're really, really low. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:34.658)
I would agree. Eileen, where can people find about your work or learn more about biofield tuning or biofield singing?

Eileen (01:00:43.272)
Sure, well we have a few websites, so biofieldtuning.com is where you can learn all about biofield tuning and the biofield tuning store is where you can get that sonic slider and other tuning forks. SingTheBodyElectric.com is for the vocal stuff. And then I have a YouTube channel which is just go to YouTube and search my name. And I have lots of free videos, I have lots of free tunings, lots of information there.

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:11.85)
Amazing. Well, thank you for your work. I, we could talk for hours and hours and hours. I'm so excited for everything that you're bringing into the world and making it so accessible to people. I really, again, I just want to say thank you and thank you for being such a light in the content you create and thank you for embodying the work that you are doing. Eileen Mikusik, thank you for being a guest.

Eileen (01:01:35.612)
Thank you, Freddie. This was lovely. Have me back. We can talk some more.

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:37.378)
Yes, big love.