Breaking Free: Tara Garrison on Leaving Mormonism, Healing Trauma & Building True Strength
Aug 18, 2025
WELCOME TO EPISODE 255
Tara Garrison is not your average fitness coach. In this raw, unfiltered episode, we peel back the curtain on Tara’s profound journey from a life that felt out of alignment—being a Mormon stay-at-home mom of four—to a ripped, radiant leader in holistic health and mindset coaching. This episode isn’t just about gains in the gym—it’s about the gains that come from deep emotional work, spiritual realignment, and radical self-love.
Tara shares her awakening journey through training, her escape from the Mormon church, the trials of narcissistic abuse, and her rise into leadership and coaching. We also go deep on cult-like dynamics in wellness circles, the importance of intensity in strength training, and why building muscle isn't just physical—it's a reflection of inner transformation. Get ready to be moved, inspired, and maybe a little shaken in the best way.
Episode Highlights
[00:00] – Tara’s reflection on cult-like thinking in the keto community
[01:35] – From personal training to full-spectrum health and mindset coaching
[05:07] – Her radical transformation post-Mormonism and the journey of self-realignment
[08:59] – The emotional and psychological toll of leaving a religion and identity behind
[13:01] – Losing it all and the “body slam” from the universe that sparked deep healing
[17:19] – Seeing life’s deepest pain as the best thing that ever happened
[22:03] – The obsession behind body transformation and how it masked deeper trauma
[26:49] – Comparing cult-like dynamics: bodybuilding vs. health optimization circles
[31:09] – When Tara reintroduced carbs and faced backlash from the keto world
[34:05] – Cult-think in spirituality, wellness, and the danger of superiority
[36:05] – Sponsored shout-outs: BEAM Minerals and LightPathLED
[37:19] – How intuition and "the Holy Ghost" became her internal GPS
[41:39] – Why AI can’t replace human coaching and the power of retreat experiences
[50:19] – Tara’s no-BS guide to building muscle: why sleep, intensity, and technique matter
[58:40] – Debunking the steroid rumors and breaking down real gym intensity
[01:04:11] – How to work with Tara (app, coaching, and retreats)
[01:07:27] – The dangers of dogma in diet culture and why she wrote Short Term Keto
[01:08:59] – Tara’s final advice: validate yourself, love yourself, and show up for yourself
[01:10:49] – What it means to be beautifully broken: a rebirth through adversity
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Tara’s Website & Coaching Programs: taragarrison.com
Tara’s App: app.taragarrison.com
Book - Short Term Keto: https://www.taragarrison.com/short-term-keto
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FULL EPISODE INTERVIEW
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Freddie Kimmel (00:01.43)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We finally have Tara Garrison on the show. Welcome to the show.
Tara Garrison (00:08.898)
Yay, thank you so much for having me.
Freddie Kimmel (00:11.17)
Oh, what a gift. What a gift. You're such a powerhouse. Yeah, you're such a powerhouse. What you do, how you serve the world. If we bumped and knee with each other in Whole Foods, what would you tell me you do?
Tara Garrison (00:15.872)
thanks.
Tara Garrison (00:27.414)
Well, I mean, immediately like like identifies like, right? Like, I feel like immediate. That's how it's been with us. see each other at conferences like, yep. You know, you just, you just know when you see certain people as the aura, it's the something going on there. what would I tell you to do? wouldn't tell you to do anything. I would just have like 50 million questions. I do. Poor living. Okay.
Freddie Kimmel (00:41.142)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (00:47.862)
Wait, what would you tell me you do if I was like, if I noticed your aura and I said, Tara, what are you doing? There's something going on here. You got a little bit of a glow.
Tara Garrison (00:58.158)
I would say I help people feel better by tapping them into themselves, you know? Yeah. And help them get, I like to, mean, if you want to, you know, if I'm going to be more like detailed than that. So what I say I do is health and life coaching. Okay. So started as a personal trainer, then went into nutrition and got deep. I love training. will. Training is like my first love changed my life.
Freddie Kimmel (01:16.226)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (01:24.354)
Training for me was the gateway drug to personal awakening for me. I mean, it literally changed my entire life when I got into that. And so I'm super nerdy like you, like everybody listening here. You wouldn't be listening to this podcast if you weren't super nerdy, but we're like the cool nerds. That's how I like to see it. So got really into that, then into nutrition, then into all the biohacking, health optimization stuff that you tend to get into if you're a curious mind and you how good does this get kind of mindset and then mindset coaching, you know, and that, that.
years in the making, but I say mindset coaching, it's really like, how are our thoughts and our subconscious beliefs about life and all these things causing unnecessary suffering that's not only diminishing our quality of life, but also our health, right? And that just came, even when I was a personal trainer, I'm like, well, yeah, no wonder it's not working.
Freddie Kimmel (02:11.424)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (02:16.59)
you can, can tell this person has this belief that they can't ever stop. They have to completely prove their worth through doing and you know, the little teetering on the self sacrifice level of like it's gone too far and they're just exhausted. And I'm sitting there saying, how's your stress levels? And they're like, oh good. And I'm like, okay, lay down on the floor. I just want to just lay there for a second. I'm just watching them breathe into their chest only, you know, and I'm like, yes, you're stressed out of your mind, you know? And so like even from those days,
I could just see it and it eventually got to the point where I was like, well, if I really want people to get to this place of thriving and freedom, we're gonna also have to go into their subconscious mind and their beliefs about life and how they're seeing others and healing their relationship with themselves and getting some tools there. yeah, I guess holistic health coach, but people are like, what is that? And for me, it's literally everything I can think of.
Freddie Kimmel (03:00.726)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (03:09.55)
that needs to be done all the way from lab testing, know, all of it, DNA, hair, men on all says blood labs, stool testing, saliva, urine, like anything that I can do to figure out what is going on to help somebody get to where they want to go is what I do.
Freddie Kimmel (03:26.666)
Incredible. Incredible. I'm going to bookmark that because I have two questions, but I don't want to go there yet. Were you always this way? Was there a turning point in your life where you're like, there's a little more in the tank for me.
Tara Garrison (03:40.16)
I have been told that on both a physical and energetic level, I'm completely unrecognizable from the person that I used to be. I see her. I see me always in there. But no, mean, basically the short version is I was raised Mormon in the LDS church, kind of went through that whole path of like doing everything I'm supposed to be doing right, ended up, you know, stay at home mom, four kids, overweight, totally out of alignment.
unhappy and just trying so hard to be a good girl, but just so unfulfilled. And then when I got into training, something happened to my brain, then fixing my nutrition and all that. And I just started to, I felt like my brain came online for the first time in my life all the way. And so I felt more comfortable with asking critical questions and not being okay with things that weren't okay. I was super people pleaser, right?
Freddie Kimmel (04:12.737)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (04:36.726)
And so eventually that led to me getting out of my, that religion, getting divorced three months later, no joke. was just like, the awareness was like, you are so far out of alignment. It's not even funny. And then after, so I got in shape. I went from probably pushing 40%, definitely at least 35 % body fat to 11 % body fat. Kind of overachieved it. I am a bit of an overachiever by kind of type, right? Like I get really obsessed and excited about cool things.
And so I ended up 11 % body fat, looking like total, like getting ready to go on stage, bodybuilder kind of overdid it, you know, a year and a half later in a year and a half, did that, which is crazy. Like now as a coach, like I really like look at that. I'm like, that's freaking crazy. That is so unusual. I knew it was unusual what I was doing, but I, you know, kind of had almost like a unhealthy level of obsession at that point.
Freddie Kimmel (05:19.33)
Wow.
Freddie Kimmel (05:30.176)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (05:30.31)
and then yeah, I got out of all, you know, I thought I was like so woke and conscious after that, but I had not done any work, no therapy, no nothing ended up in a, you know, narcissistic abuse type relationship. He became my new Mormonism, you know, all that lost everything. I've got four kids. was like having to live with a friend, you know, like I hit some really big lows and I was already doing the training and nutrition stuff, but that was like, it felt like a soul gift.
of like, okay, if you really want to help people, then you're going to have to help yourself in a lot of other ways than just all this fitness and nutrition stuff, right? And so that led to a really humbling journey of just shadow, unbelievable levels of shadow work and investing every penny I had. And I still do, you know, just got a new therapist, I have mindset coaches, all that, but that led to…
Freddie Kimmel (06:16.758)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (06:24.062)
ultimately living life at a level that I didn't even know was possible and feeling the most like me that I ever have. So it's been a journey, but yeah, no, I, and who you're meeting today is like my inner child, you know, it's like the regular me without all this crazy talks. I mean, I'm sure I still have plenty of programs I haven't figured out yet. You know, I at least can recognize that I'm programmed and we're all programmed, but I am more conscious of that now.
Freddie Kimmel (06:43.234)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (06:47.585)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (06:50.23)
and have tools and the ability to work through those things. So everything is like, I'm kind of in the ease stage after a very tumultuous, stressful, like beyond what I thought I could handle level journey of just to complete and total chaos, distraught, what am I gonna do?
Freddie Kimmel (06:50.295)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (07:13.344)
you know, desperate for answers, you know, and everything was hard. And, you know, now I'm in this place of like, kind of reaping the rewards of all that hard work. And it's not that I don't still have stuff, you know, but it's now things are a lot easier and more joyful. So that's kind of my story in a nutshell.
Freddie Kimmel (07:30.251)
Hmm.
It's beautiful. You can see that contrast. feel as though maybe it exists. Like there could be a podcast that is just about people's journey and story breaking out of the Mormon religion and the, the, the transformation. There are podcasts. Okay.
Tara Garrison (07:49.646)
There are. There are. Mormon Stories podcast, it's really huge. John DeLinn, it's really great. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (07:56.147)
because I personally, me, I have six friends and it's like, that was their journey and their story. And then they became every pretty, pretty much everybody became like a butterfly.
Tara Garrison (08:09.59)
Yeah, yeah, there's I mean, I live in Utah, right? So there's a lot of ex Mormon people here. And it's really cool. And a lot of ways to because what happens is basically, you know, I, I'm just going to say this without like worrying about offending people. Okay, so I'm just going to be really honest from my point of view, people can take it or leave it. But my experiences, you've you when you found out that you had hardcore dedicated your whole life, like every decision you've made in your life, your
Freddie Kimmel (08:14.562)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (08:27.638)
I appreciate that.
Tara Garrison (08:38.126)
whole world, everyone you know, big, huge life decisions you've made, were all based on lies. It's the most incredible betrayal trauma that you can experience. And it's a complete and total fracturing of your sense of reality. You feel like you've been living in like a psychosis. It's like, I don't even know what I think about anything. It is by far the hardest thing that I have ever gone through. In fact, my son who's 17, just went to like a Mormon like,
I call it brainwashing camp, but at BYU because his friend invited him. It's like for the youth or whatever. And he was honestly like traumatized from it. This was just, he just got home Saturday, like, you a few days before recording this. And he was like, mom, it was so scary. Like, I can't believe what they're doing to those kids. Like it's, it was horrible. Like I, I, I was appalled and they're all looking at me like I'm the weird one. And I'm like, what is happening? Like so much manipulation and all that. And it was really sweet cause he goes.
Freddie Kimmel (09:23.266)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (09:35.086)
I don't know how you did that. Like how, no, for real, mom, how did you get out of that? Like that, it's so intense. They're like so, like so sneaky with it and so manipulative. how, no, for real, like I have so much respect. How did you do that? You know? And so it is, but when you meet people who have gone through that, what happens is you realize that you almost lived a life.
Freddie Kimmel (09:50.562)
Mmm.
Tara Garrison (09:59.822)
like the whole my whole life is a lie thing that that is 100 % reality of what your experiences and there's a lot of grieving and there's a lot of anger and there's a lot of sadness and it's like, who am I? You know, your whole identity has been constructed around this thing and and it's so much to go through but it it it elicits in someone who goes from like they were hardcore dedicated to that isn't actually not true at all to an extreme humbling place.
where you're like, man, I now understand that I can be completely wrong about how I'm seeing things. So it leads you to be in this very open minded place where you don't want to be dogmatic about anything because you've learned that that is not really going to get you where you want to go in life. So most people who have been through something like that, they're extremely open minded. They're very deep thinking and they have this kind of new lease on life. You know, I was 33 when this happened. I'm 42 now.
And it's just, yeah, you're like, my gosh, I almost missed out on life on my terms. So you kind of get this like, very curious, exploring what is possible, what's out there, non-dogmatic person as a result of that. So yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (11:05.058)
Mm.
Freddie Kimmel (11:15.202)
And also, do you find that without that experience, do you think you would have had this slingshot to where you are now?
Tara Garrison (11:26.786)
You know, it wasn't just that yet. No. And, and, and I do want to say there is a lot of gratitude I have for, it's just like all perfect to me. you know, just yesterday I was getting a massage from my sports massage girl and she's Mormon. And so she's playing this music and it's like Mormon hymns the whole time. And I'm like, my gosh, I, but it's just like, you know, the instrumental only.
And I'm like, my gosh, I know every word, every one of these songs. And it was bringing up all these memories that I realized I had forgotten, right? I'm like, my gosh, this was such a huge part of my life for so long. Like I actually was really kind of processing that. was like, wow, like it's kind of like everything that's familiar to you and home is just gone, you know, when this happens and, and to answer your question more definitively.
Freddie Kimmel (12:02.37)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (12:19.126)
I have gratitude. I had a single mom who had schizophrenia undiagnosed, was in complete denial. So our home life was really chaotic. Mormonism gave us some sort of something. I don't know how that would have turned out. If I had no anchor to anything with that kind of chaotic home life,
Freddie Kimmel (12:25.526)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (12:44.236)
Mormonism provided me an opportunity to meet a lot of other people who live life in different ways and at least got me thinking about having values and leadership and all of these opportunities. So even though there was a lot of brainwashing stuff that was very traumatic that I had to work through and still stuff comes up that I have to work through that I didn't realize is still in there, but it also was a gift in a lot of ways, right?
You know, my ultimate low was like after a year and a half after getting out of Mormonism and divorce when I after that, I'm not just I'm being real. I'm not overusing narcissism. I know people get all up in arms about that. like, I challenge you. Everyone I know that knows this guy is like, he's like textbook. Like he definitely had some severe mental health issues, maybe some other things going on.
Yeah, it was a really dark time for me. I lost all sense of self-esteem. I couldn't even have my kids because I'm living with people. I had not a penny to my name. It was that a year and a half after losing everyone I know, dropping a nuclear bomb on my life, getting divorced now less than a year and a half later, just under. I'm at this low. I was like, dude, I cannot handle this anymore. And I refer to that time period as my body slam from the universe.
Freddie Kimmel (13:40.898)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (14:06.752)
is like, they're like, you got it, she got it, she got it. But like, we need to wake you up. Like you didn't get it all the way. So I feel like I was gifted. This guy that was so extreme. It was like so obvious, right? Like I could have easily just ended up in like as mildly abusive relationship where I'm this codependent people pleaser and just, you know, that's how it would have gone for me. And it was so bad.
Freddie Kimmel (14:14.806)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (14:31.714)
that it was so obvious, I'm so grateful for it now, that yeah, like all of those three lows combined just made me, it made it impossible for me, at least for me to not see that the things that were not going well in life were centered in what was going on inside of me. It's like, I have to at least be aware that the results I'm getting in my life are a result of what's happening inside me. And it made me desperate, desperate.
Freddie Kimmel (14:49.941)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (15:01.282)
to unpack all that and to put in new healthier programs. And from psychedelics to breath work to coaches, mindset coaches, therapy, books, all of my own integration, just like I went ham. I went ham and I'm not afraid to look bad. I'm not afraid to talk about my shadows and my imperfections and all that kind of stuff. And I think that's really helped me.
Freddie Kimmel (15:01.409)
Mm.
Freddie Kimmel (15:28.375)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (15:29.942)
Right? Because then, you know, now I do this work with other people. The hardest client I'll ever get is somebody who doesn't have any problems. Right? Like they just, they'll kind of teeter into it. And then they just want to save face and talk about how great they are and how healed they already are. And I'm just like sitting there on the other end, like, this is going to be a little tough because we've got to get through all these ego protections first. Right? The most easiest clients I'll ever have are the ones that, you know, I've had crazy high performers that people who are, you know, literal rock stars.
movie stars running for president of their country, retired NFL players, those people will be the first ones to tell me all the things that they isn't going well with them. Right. And that is, think, a pattern of success. That's what helps you get to the next level is like not ego protecting yourself like crazy. Right. So that, you know, going through that of just, yeah, no, I got tons of stuff. I got it. I got to look at. And I still kind of approach that life that way, meaning
I have so much respect and love for myself and I'm whole and complete as I am. I think because of that, it's easier to be like, it's just this this part of your life's not going well, Tara. I said, nothing but love, but let's take a look and dive in. So yeah, getting humbled to the freaking bottom is a gift. It is. we all know that you've been there. So yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (16:43.446)
Yeah. Beautiful.
Freddie Kimmel (16:52.96)
Yeah. It's all, yeah, we all, we, it's so unique. It's I keep saying life is the ultimate simulation. know, the waves keep coming. If you want to go deep, you can go deep. It's there for you. If you want it that day, if you want to ride for a year or two and coast and just that's okay too, but it's, it's wild.
Tara Garrison (17:00.525)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (17:11.374)
Yeah, but you didn't want to go deep. You didn't want to go that deep. That was not on your agenda or mine. But what do you think of it now?
Freddie Kimmel (17:14.594)
No, was not. No.
the best thing that ever happened to me.
Tara Garrison (17:21.868)
Yeah, I always say mine is the best worst thing that ever happened to me.
Freddie Kimmel (17:24.834)
Yeah, it's the best. It's the best. And I really truly, I, people like, Oh, that's terrible to say, but I truly mean it. And I was like, it's the gift that keeps on giving. Yeah. Oh, let's do a deep breath with that.
Freddie Kimmel (17:44.023)
Hope everybody heard the squeak from my deviated septum there. Another thing I can work on. Tara, I want to go back to, first of all, just, beautiful reflection. And I love that you can see the gift in that because I see it. Whenever I listen to someone's story, I was like, wow, what a great way to be catapulted into level a thousand in one lifetime. Because without that catalyst, especially a powerful catalyst,
Tara Garrison (18:09.613)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (18:14.476)
think that's just basic physics, right? You got, you look at, we're gonna talk about all the great things you do now and the way you serve the world. I wanna go back to when you said, I started working with my body and it like cracked something and it released, I went from 35 to 40 % body fat down to 11. Now I want everybody in the audience to just benchmark that because there will be people and you're gonna be one of the last ones of this generation that did that.
without peptides. there is like an OG, like I did it, I did it the hard way. What did that look like for you? Because that's a hell of a transformation.
Tara Garrison (18:46.366)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (18:58.528)
Yeah, okay. Well, let me preface, I don't necessarily recommend it. There was a lot of trauma response happening there, right? When I say like unhealthy level obsession, because basically, I have a fly, sorry, we have a fly friend in the house.
Freddie Kimmel (19:05.11)
Okay?
Mm-hmm.
That's all right. I got a mosquito on my side too and he's like tapping the screen every once in a while.
Tara Garrison (19:14.868)
It's like they hide and wait till I get on camera and then they're like, yes, it's my time to shine. okay. So basically how it kind of all started for me, I had always been a runner. My mom was like a, kind of a pioneer in women's running in the 1960s. She ran the mile so fast in her PE class that they put her on the boys track team in the sixties in Arizona, Tucson, Arizona. And then, and then some of the boys quit cause they didn't want a girl to beat them. That's my favorite part.
Freddie Kimmel (19:32.396)
Mm.
Freddie Kimmel (19:39.073)
Hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (19:43.574)
Go mom.
Tara Garrison (19:44.526)
It's like so sixties, then, huh, not letting a girl be so funny, right? But so then they started a girls track team for her the next year. And then she, she ended up being, number eight in the nation for, she was in the, whatever that one is, it's like two miles. The longest one they do in track 3,200 or whatever that is. and she went to the Olympic trials, but they didn't have her event yet.
Freddie Kimmel (19:46.774)
Yeah, so 60s. That's an episode of the Wonder Years right there.
Tara Garrison (20:11.682)
because women's running was so new. So she didn't get to go to the Olympics because she had to run the mile, which is like a completely different thing. But because of that, my mom had a great love for running and instilled that in like all of us, especially me. Like I was the one that like, I feel like really, really latched onto it. I loved it. And so I had always run, right? And even when I was overweight, I was running full marathons, full marathons.
Freddie Kimmel (20:12.162)
Mmm.
Freddie Kimmel (20:33.19)
wow.
Tara Garrison (20:34.286)
you know, a common before picture I'll share every once in a while on social media, I had just run a full marathon like a few months before that. Right. and then, basically I was having marriage issues and, my, you know, all my childhood wounds came out and all this stuff of like, I was, I'm not good enough. I have to be hotter. I have to fix this classic codependent. Okay. Like just taking over responsibility, whatever.
And so that lit a fire under me like crazy, right? Like was just like I, you know, it was like I was saving my marriage or something, which that's not what happened at all. And that was never the issue, obviously. Anyway, but that's where I was at psychologically, right? And then on top of it,
It fed my, I've always loved sports. I've always loved being active. You know, I thought I was going to the WNBA. I sucked at basketball, but I would like shoot for hours in my backyard. Like I'm good. This is what it takes. You know, like I just kind of have that in me, right? And so it kind of fed that. So there was this simultaneous thing happening of wounded behavior, desperation, trying to prove I'm good enough, know, codependency, make everything better.
have to do this matched with this interesting thing that was happening. I'm like, this is cool. I love this. know, especially at that time I had my youngest was like one or two of four kids. So I'm like, my gosh, me time. I get to be by myself when I'm in here. Yay. So that was all kind of all happening at the same time. and so that's, that's why you're seeing getting to 11 % body fat. don't really recommend,
that for most women, right? But that's where it led me to. I didn't know I was at lean. I was just trying to be 135 pounds. was, you know what I I wasn't a coach yet. I didn't know anything. I was just following the basic bodybuilder path. So first time I got a DEXA scan and found that out, I was like, my gosh, that's like, I had no idea I was at lean. anyway, so then now I'm lost with your question.
Freddie Kimmel (22:33.878)
Yeah. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (22:41.655)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (22:46.792)
No, you got us there. It was really the mindset and the driver and your personality traits that drove you to that. It's like you opened the doors and your body kind of took you there.
Tara Garrison (22:52.234)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (22:59.914)
Yeah. And so I like to share that there was a unhealthy motivator there because, now I have a 17 year old son that's watching all these like bodybuilding accounts and stuff on social media. And I can just, it takes one to know one. You can just see wounded, not good enough, trying to prove your value and blah, blah, toxicity from a mile away. When you've lived it yourself, it's like, I know what's happening behind the scenes there. This person is like basically trying to starve themselves. They're binging every once in a while and then they feel like crap. And then they're
Freddie Kimmel (23:04.438)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (23:28.674)
basically becoming like exercise bulimic and all, all this stuff that they're getting all these like disorder eating patterns, like I just know I've lived that life. I've coached many people who have lived that life. I just know, you know, and so I like to share that because it's like, what was really frustrating was like when I was at lean or when I have whenever I tend to be on the leaner side, which I'm already pretty lean for like,
It shocks me how lean I am without I don't track any of my food. I'm just trying to be optimal, right? Like I just love training. I love getting good sleep. I intermittent fast because I feel best that way. I eat whatever the freak I want. But what I want is nourishing for the most part because I have that relationship with my body now. But anytime like I'll be like really lean like that from society standpoint, it's like I can't go anywhere without people being like you look amazing. I did a bikini competition in 2021 as a spy into the industry. Okay.
Cause I'm getting all these prior competitors. I'm like, these people are all messed up and I kind of used to live like them too, but I haven't actually done a show. So I'm going to do it. And I hired a coach and I was like, you're going to turn off your coach brain. This is me already coming from like now I'm healed and have been in a good place with my body and I'm not pressuring myself to look a certain way. just love being healthy and everything's good. my gosh. It was so crazy.
Freddie Kimmel (24:44.834)
This would be a great Netflix documentary, by the way. You should write this up as a script.
Tara Garrison (24:51.222)
I really should document it better because I've given people, it was really just for me to know. was just the summary is it, I went into it open-minded. did two shows back to back that were like a month apart. The first show, my people pleaser tendency started coming up and I'm meeting all these nice people in that world and I like kind of don't want to offend them. And so I'm just, I'm kind of going in this place of like, you know, like people can just do what they want. It's like all good, you know.
But the second show, there was a pro show at that one. It was a much bigger show. And my gosh, like heartbreaking. Like I just talking to women in the back is just, ugh, like how hard they are on themselves about the way they look. Like this woman has the nicest butt I've ever seen in my entire life. I'm like, how are you even a real human? And she's like devastated about how bad her glutes look and how she's gonna take a whole year off just to build them. And I'm just like,
And you know, all the way to, guys, are you so excited to eat regular food again? I can't wait to eat regular food again. I called it my starvation contest. That's what it feels like. It's like who can starve the best and exercise a lot while you starve to death? That's what it felt like to me. And you know, this one woman was like, oh no, I just want a protein bar and some water after. And I'm just like, what? You know, like we're starving to death. And all the way to, you know, one woman who was a pro, she was 9 % body fat.
I only got down to 10. I was shredded. She's 9 % body fat. She didn't even place and it was just me and her coach and her in the back room after this thing and he's like, gotta get leaner. Gotta show up leaner next time. I'm like, and I just, her face was just devastated. She's like, how? I'm like, my gosh. Okay. So yeah. And it's dude.
Freddie Kimmel (26:35.468)
Just so tired and so hungry and from a soul standpoint, so thin.
Tara Garrison (26:42.188)
I yes, I've met a few competitors here and there that seem to like farewell out of this. But for the most part, I'm sorry, but you are not going to be it's going to be very difficult to come out of a situation when you are literally being judged on how your body looks and not get some body issues from that. You know, and I like, yeah, I was bingeing like crazy after that. I felt like my inner child was wounded. It was like I just needed to know that I could have all the food I wanted, you know.
Freddie Kimmel (27:04.428)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (27:09.847)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (27:09.89)
So anyway, sorry little side tangent, but I think it's interesting.
Freddie Kimmel (27:12.916)
No, it's beyond interesting. And now I'm really wondering, I'm like, well, you know, clearly people gravitate towards some of these contests. It's community. You know, you have a, you have a camp, you have validation for your work. You're allowed to be seen in a certain light. Like there, I understand the draw, like every, you know, it's interesting. We're kind of on this. I mean, do you call that a cult? Like there's literally like kind of like we're
Tara Garrison (27:23.49)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (27:41.484)
Kinda, yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (27:41.516)
kind of moving into these different silos that do have some tethers.
Tara Garrison (27:45.816)
The health optimization community is more culty than the bodybuilding community.
Freddie Kimmel (27:50.148)
interesting. Let's go there.
Tara Garrison (27:51.949)
Yeah. The bodybuilding community is just like, yeah, of course you're going to get group think and all that kind of stuff, like any community. But I don't see as much ego in terms of, in the realm of, we look down on everybody else who's not like us. Most people get into bodybuilding out of wounded, like they don't feel good enough. There's a lot of insecurity. You know, a lot of the guys were
Freddie Kimmel (27:55.052)
Hahaha!
Freddie Kimmel (28:03.243)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (28:17.014)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (28:20.536)
bullied, you know, the women entered from a place like me of like not feeling good enough. So like most people that you meet who are in that they're like the nicest, most homeless people you'll ever talk to, you know, they don't, they don't think they're good enough. Basically, in the health optimization, biohacking, all that kind of world, you run into a lot of I'm literally better than other people because I live like this. You're gonna know all the time.
Freddie Kimmel (28:31.692)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (28:46.914)
I'm reading this book called us. It's a relationship book. It's really good if anybody I can't remember the name of the author I will look it up. I can talk us Book on relationships That's how good Mike us getting past Getting past you and me to build a more loving relationship. It's it's Terrence real it's really
Tara Garrison (29:05.56)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (29:13.068)
Nice. Okay.
Freddie Kimmel (29:16.418)
profound. I love it. nothing, it's really interesting. He never frames anything, any behavior pattern as a malady. He explores like, what is the polarity of that? And how does it exist in because you're always in this kind of magnetic relationship with the counterpart that's allowing or allowing you to be so he talks a lot about men showing up in relationship with a sense of grandiosity. And I see that and I was like, I've never thought about it that way.
Right? You know, it's like everything I do is right. I'm better than and it's, it's a really, and the ego can really just run away. And then he ties. He's like, and this is where it starts to leave with these bad behaviors and where men are justified and going outside the relationship because a they're the breadwinner. They work so hard, da, da, da, da. but it's, it's, that term grandiosity, I would say shows up a lot on the stage at a lot of these events. Right. I've, I've definitely, I've definitely seen that anyway. Sorry to sidetrack us.
Tara Garrison (30:11.371)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. No, I appreciate that. I'm going to check that book out. That sounds amazing. Yeah, I love what it's about.
Freddie Kimmel (30:18.378)
It's good. It's good. And it's all interviews with couples. it's, he's quoting the couples, like direct quotes. And you're like, whoa, see what the guys say. And, and, and, know, you see the facade that is showing up and eventually like when it cracks, it's, it's wild. And like, just like you're saying, when you crack something apart, it's going to take a while to put it back together until it's a functional thing again. And it's really interesting in how the messiness sits there for a while.
Tara Garrison (30:26.017)
Yeah.
tool.
Tara Garrison (30:39.278)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (30:43.094)
Yeah. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (30:48.641)
Hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (30:48.724)
Anyways, really good book. Go get it, everybody. Us. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (30:51.214)
All right. Thanks. Yeah. I mean, to kind of cap it off on the cult talk. Okay. Like because I have been in one and I'm deeply familiar with like the parts of it that are the part of the like health optimization, biohacking communities that reminds me of a cult, like specifically when I was deep in the keto world, which really crosses over with the whole health optimization biohacking world, right? Is a fear.
Freddie Kimmel (31:06.978)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (31:12.822)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (31:20.108)
to go against the group, a fear to say something that doesn't, that everyone else in the group won't agree with, a fear of loss. If I were to change my mind about this thing in my life, I might lose community. People might not want to be my friend anymore. That's an aspect of like, like, so going back to bodybuilding, it's normal in bodybuilding, be like, yeah, I'm done. You know, I just want to do one show or I just, know, something I want to do, or I did it for 10 years, but I'm just, you know, I'm going my own way now. Like that's a normal.
Freddie Kimmel (31:33.378)
Mmm.
Tara Garrison (31:50.166)
Nobody, no one's like, no, like what? You're wrong to do that, right? Like it's just a normal thing. But like, for example, I used to be specialized in keto. That's all I did was keto coaching for a while, right? And I was, yeah, very involved with all the people that were like really pushing keto and I'm going to all the keto conferences and all that stuff and kind of had made my business around that. And I got to a point where I felt intuitively like I needed to bring carbohydrates back in.
And everything went up, everything got better. Like it was really cool going into keto and I got some really cool metabolic adaptations from that and was excited about that. But like, I also trust myself enough to know when to shift. And I just knew and like my body comp got better. I actually had gained some body fat and lost muscle on keto despite optimizing leucine and needing all the freaking game meats and all the highest quality stuff and training like.
Freddie Kimmel (32:40.567)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (32:47.598)
my body just, I'm glad I did that favor to my metabolism, but my body tends to thrive better with carbohydrates for sure. Okay. Well, that was just not like the messaging that was coming out. is in like 20, late 2017, early 2018, the messaging from the keto community that I was in at that time was basically like people who eat carbs are like dumb, like their brains don't work as well. Like they're sugar burners. They're dependent on glucose and like
Freddie Kimmel (32:55.17)
Amazing.
Tara Garrison (33:16.088)
ketones are the optimal fuel source. like, it's basically kind like, we're more intelligent, like we know better. We know that's another thing. It's we know more than they know that whole thing. We've got we're privy to this information that's more superior than everybody else knows. And we're better because of that. That's how cults are.
Freddie Kimmel (33:24.78)
Hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (33:33.185)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (33:34.302)
every single cult like environment believes that they have access to some sort of special information that makes them unique and separate from everybody else and looks down on other people who don't have access to that way of thinking. I watch, I see this in spiritual circles because I'm a little hippie and I'm just like nothing but love but I see that and I see exactly you're doing exactly what I did in Mormonism is just you listen to your Ram Dass and your Alan Watts and
Freddie Kimmel (33:47.979)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (34:00.024)
do all your plant medicines or whatever, and now you're looking down on people who are watching TV and, you know, eating McDonald's, like you're literally a better person than them, or maybe they're not present enough for you, and so they're now less than, like that's not conscious, that's cult-like thinking, and it's ego. And so I see that in the health optimization communities a lot, like there's judgment on other people. I hate that, I hate that. How about compassion?
Freddie Kimmel (34:16.674)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (34:28.77)
just because somebody and also it's with the whole underlying feeling that we're right. No, if somebody wants to eat McDonald's till the day that they die and maybe lives like 90 years eating Mc, I'm serious, eating white bread and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, there's plenty of people who have lived a long life eating that food. I'm not saying it's optimal. I don't eat like that, but they are perfectly entitled to live their life like that. I'm not better than them. They're not
Freddie Kimmel (34:35.148)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (34:58.2)
dumb for doing that. They can live that way if they want to and respect that, you know? And if they have questions or interest in the way I'm doing things, cool, I'll share that. But that's what I mean is it's this little energy of like, we have access to the special good information and everyone else who doesn't is kind of less than. That's what I mean.
Freddie Kimmel (35:18.242)
Yeah, it's a powerful reminder. Yeah, empathy, understanding. a billion percent. A billion percent. just thinking about, yeah, it's wild. It's wild. And so what gives you your North Compass? What allows you to, again, you've went through a wild experience. You've been in and out of
Tara Garrison (35:22.856)
Mm-hmm. It can ruin relationships.
Tara Garrison (35:35.683)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (35:48.245)
whether it's narcissistic relationships or you breaking free from your religion. Do you think that true ability to listen to your compass was always there or how do you think that developed for you?
Tara Garrison (36:01.036)
Yeah, thanks for asking that. So in Mormonism, they have a belief of like the Holy Ghost. There's like God, Jesus, and the Holy, you know, I think a lot of Christians are like Holy Spirit or whatever. So they say Holy Ghost. I think other people say Holy Spirit or something, but basically I see that as the Mormon framework for like intuition or getting, getting spiritual nudges, getting downloads or whatever we might want to call it. And I always had really strong access to that.
Freddie Kimmel (36:10.068)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that's Lutheran Christianity. Yeah, right.
Freddie Kimmel (36:25.11)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (36:30.124)
And I always had like cool things happen in my life from that. just called it the Holy ghost told me blah, blah, blah back then. Right. So then when I left Mormonism, when you go through something like that, you, I, it's just like completely throwing the baby out with the bath water because it's, you don't even know, you don't trust yourself at all. You're like, I don't know what's real at all anymore. So I went into this short lived period, not out of choice. It's just.
Freddie Kimmel (36:37.569)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (36:59.081)
What happened, but I went through this short period of it's all BS. We're just freaking organisms on a rock and space. And when we die, we die. Okay. So that's where I was for like maybe a couple months max. And I just started having like even stronger, like spiritual downloads, like out of nowhere, like lightning bolt this way, not that way. Like, like all this stuff coming in stronger than it ever had when I was Mormon and um,
Freddie Kimmel (37:11.042)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (37:27.33)
that is my guiding North star, my inner compass is, I guess the best word I have for it is intuition or, access to higher information that I trust. I don't know where it's coming from. It could be my grandma. It could be aliens. It could be some sort of, I have no idea. it could be my higher self. I'm not sure. it does feel like a they like to me. but
Freddie Kimmel (37:55.692)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (37:57.606)
Like I get information that way. I also see myself as having a vantage point that they, or whatever this is, this intuitive thing doesn't don't have. Like there's a lot of mutual respect there, I feel like in my kind of spiritual life. But yeah, I lead my whole life, my business, my personal life, like everything like I spend a lot of time in meditation and silence and actually exercise is a portal.
to that space for me when I get all those neurotransmitters ramped up, like I just feel incredibly in tune spiritually. And so I've just learned to trust that. But yeah, that has not steered me wrong in the last decade of my life. it's been, the more I've learned to trust it, the better my life has gotten. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (38:45.152)
Yeah, amazing. So proud of you. Yeah, what a ride. What a ride. I want to go all the way back now to the beginning when you said often when you're working with clients that you're looking at blood sugar, hair mineral analysis, labs, hormones, performance data, heart rate variability. Do you use any type of a...
Tara Garrison (38:48.92)
Thanks. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (39:13.706)
software or a dashboard that keeps all this information like congruent and you can kind of see it on a different scope? do you just kind of, are you looking at things and you're intuitively like understanding where the client needs to go next?
Tara Garrison (39:27.2)
Yeah, I've looked in all sorts of dashboards. Joe from heads up health is probably going to be like, yeah, we've tried a million times. Here's my issue. Here's my issue. I deliver training. do customize training for my clients, right? And so I deliver that through like a white label trainerize, right? Because it's just by far the most effective way to deliver training. They can also send videos back to me. And I really appreciate that platform for that. has messaging, has a group in there, it has a lot of features that I want.
Freddie Kimmel (39:35.116)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (39:51.106)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (39:57.226)
especially for the training aspect of their work with me. It does, you it can link up to certain tech, not all tech. A lot of my clients do have, you know, continuous glucose monitors, maybe or rings or whatever. I have like a separate portal that I've just made myself for them where we keep track of all their labs and, you know, working documents together. But I'm in touch with my clients a lot. Like if you're going to be a client of mine, you're in my life now. You're a part of my life. Right. So I mean, we have
weekly written check-ins, phone calls every week, two group Zoom calls a week. Like we're just re-chatting with me whenever, like we're really in touch, you know? And so it's kind of like, I guess between the portal and there is a dashboard in the trainer eyes. It's not as bio-hackery as I'd like, but there's enough though. Yeah. We know where we're headed and keep track of that.
Freddie Kimmel (40:35.554)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (40:44.93)
Sure. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I've been thinking a lot about this oncoming tsunami of artificial intelligence within the space. And I had somebody in my periphery, and I'm okay if he hears this episode, that he, you know, he's messaged me for five years, every three. We're friends. What about this? Freddie, should I do this? What do you think of this? I'm going to go to Git Labs here.
Tara Garrison (40:59.597)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (41:12.877)
Okay.
Freddie Kimmel (41:18.444)
I'm going to go to da da da. I'm going to go to the Hyman Center. I'm going to do it. So like same issues five years later. And I was like, Hey, I'm, I'm launching the blueprint, the biological blueprint, which is all every aspect of, of health, spirituality, wellness, language models that you could even consider. You go through it and then every month we'll do a call together and we're going to build you.
It's, it's, there's no, there's no list. There's no checklist, but we're going to build it. You need to tell me, are you outside? Do you have any vitamin D exposure? Should we supplement for that? How, what do you, what's the message that you say in the mirror at the end of the night when you're brushing your teeth? You know, all these things. So he's like, well, I can just, I can create a list off chat GPT. I was like, yes, you can. I was like, and I was just like, I don't think you need a list. And so.
Tara Garrison (42:05.422)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (42:09.4)
Wow.
Freddie Kimmel (42:17.376)
I'm just saying that it's just interesting to me because people can right now we can access more information than ever. Eyewitness people sicker and more out of touch with reality than ever. And I think what you're doing, like I loved it. I loved your answer. This is my long winded went through the woods for this answer is that your, you're doing is irreplaceable. There's no, there is no, there is no AI that's human and flawed.
Tara Garrison (42:34.795)
I love it. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (42:47.106)
and has broken out of the Mormon church and has done this with, and now you're creating a human experience through that's that working relationship. It's irreplaceable. So when every time somebody tells me like, people are just going to be able to like, because there are people out there making podcasts. They're like, give me like,
Tara Garrison (42:55.811)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (42:59.171)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (43:07.252)
you know, to your point, give me like Mark Hyman and Andrew Huberman and da da da da da in one body. And they're like making fake podcasts and they're like, why we won't need people anymore. I was like, well, I think you will. I think you will. Cause again, this human experience. So anyways, I'm glad you're doing it that way. I think that's beautiful. I don't know if that brings up anything for you.
Tara Garrison (43:19.639)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (43:23.501)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (43:29.324)
Yeah, well, I mean, one of the things that I've started in the last five years is retreats.
transformation retreats and I only do one a year right now, but that is my vision for like how I'm gonna go out as a little old lady is like mostly gonna be full on in person experiences and I'm really good at it. I think part of it is my Mormon upbringing because I went to freaking camps and had all sort of led all sorts of I mean that is I've planned so many freaking camps and experiences not even funny, you know, and so and it's just I'm extremely extroverted as are you like I get very high off of it and
Freddie Kimmel (43:34.41)
Hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (43:41.224)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (43:58.039)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (44:02.082)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (44:04.144)
And I have a tremendous sense of like just unconditional love and compassion for people come to that space. And like, it's it's amazing, you know, like we this next one we got coming up in Joshua tree. I'm also picking portals like just where I've gone. Like that's my job is to go and those energetic hotspots that I'm very tapped into and they open, rip me wide open and do some something happens to me there. That's what I'm doing. I'm right. So it's just like I got the land and we got unconditional love.
Freddie Kimmel (44:13.803)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (44:32.142)
passion and just like open minded people and cool stuff. And I'll tell you, like, it's made me I, I feel I know I'm good at what I do. Right? Like, it's really special what we've got going on in higher, you know, but it's made me feel like I suck at everything else I do, because of how powerful these in person experiences are. There's nothing that can ever come remotely close.
Freddie Kimmel (44:34.818)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (44:47.2)
Hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (44:59.01)
Nothing, baby.
Tara Garrison (45:00.142)
to that in-person immersion experience of someone's looking you eye to eye in real life and like feeling your pain and being like, oh my gosh, that's so rough. like holding up a mirror to your light and like laughing together and know, putting your arm around somebody and like, oh, it's so good for humans, you know? And so like, I have no words.
Freddie Kimmel (45:17.568)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (45:21.356)
So good.
Tara Garrison (45:24.398)
No worries. next one sold out in the pre-sale. I realized I posted it on Instagram. was like, wait, I don't have room for any of you guys. I already got 28 people signed up from the last one before it even went public. I can't handle more. don't like more than 25, 30 is max. That's a lot of people for me. yeah, just that. I don't worry about that at all. But I do really appreciate AI. Oh my gosh, really helpful resource.
Freddie Kimmel (45:35.628)
Hahaha.
Freddie Kimmel (45:40.854)
Yeah, that's so good.
Tara Garrison (45:51.66)
I have a client, you know, I've had clients be like, Hey, I put this into this like really cool AI. It's like souped up chat GPT. Like, what do you think for their Dutch test analysis or something? I'm like, it's really good. It is really helpful. It brings a lot to, to mine, but it's also not considering the fact that, you know, you have like this emotional trauma and you know, also we saw on your blood labs, like these, hormones are different on the blood labs and here. like, this is how you juxtapose the two in terms of metabolize. It's not.
It's not, it's not able to pull in all the context, but it is a helpful tool. I like, I love it as an addition, as a replacement, you're always going to get, in my opinion, suboptimal results because there is nothing like wisdom of experience for someone to throw in your arena that, that, you know, that that's tops, that's tops. It's just like, yeah, well, I
Freddie Kimmel (46:25.31)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (46:45.697)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (46:47.598)
I would think that too, that does seem like the right answer, but let me tell you what's happened with other people in that same boat. Like that does not always work like that, you know? So.
Freddie Kimmel (46:55.434)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, that, yeah, the emotional impact of the body, the emotional intelligence that the body has that will change labs, that will change, that will block detox pathways, will, things will change when we, it's a variable that, yeah, I think so. That's how I think.
Tara Garrison (47:04.845)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (47:14.262)
Yeah, well, it's like that little checklist thing that tells you to manage your stress and maybe try techniques like meditation, yoga and breathing exercises. Yeah. That's going to look like a checklist on AI. But the reality is when I'm working with somebody one-on-one and they're coming, they're presenting with so much anxiety and just, you can tell that they are terrified to sit with themselves and be still. I immediately know.
that there were some subconscious programs that went in at a very young age. You know, I'm like, tell me about like how your parents saw work ethic, you know, and like all this. I'm like, they have their entire self worth wrapped up in doing. They are terrified to not be doing and creating and blah, blah, That makes them really uncomfortable. You're not going to get that off of, make sure you do meditation, yoga or whatever. We can, we now have to go on an entire healing journey to heal your SIBO most likely. We can temporarily heal it.
Freddie Kimmel (48:07.554)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (48:12.142)
Right? We can give you all the different techniques and go on that whole protocol, but you're gonna keep recreating the scenario if we don't address the actual issue. Sometimes it is just physical stuff. It is. Sometimes it's like, you got like a parasite, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Your stomach acid's been low for too long, blah, blah, blah, blah. And sometimes you can just do the physical route and it works and you're good. But there's so many times that like,
what's actually needed is going to take somebody who can like see you, who can see what is actually going on on the mental emotional level so they can help bring you, give you tools, give you resources. You know, I outsource a lot. Go to this person, go to that person. Have you ever heard of holotropic breath work? Okay, cool. Have you ever heard of Zinspray? It has some something called Hoppe in it. Are you familiar with Hoppe? Because I'm just like, I'm going to put their ass in.
Freddie Kimmel (48:49.698)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (49:11.473)
parasympathetic, like sometimes you just got to put them there, you know? So stuff like that, it's just like, you're not going to get that through. You're not going to get all that from AI, but it's helpful. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (49:11.618)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (49:19.468)
They get on your feet. Yeah. In terms of, I'd love to just talk about building a muscle. Wait, can you show the audience your guns?
Tara Garrison (49:29.102)
Grrr.
Freddie Kimmel (49:31.104)
What? All right. Yeah, so if you guys are watching this podcast on video, although I'm literally going to have to wait to release this for two weeks because my YouTube channel got taken down again for talking about silver biotics, which has an FDA approved armor gel, but they don't like the word silver. So annoying. They were like, this is your last strike. I'm so vanilla. I can't believe I'm being taken down.
Tara Garrison (49:43.585)
Noooo
Tara Garrison (49:50.667)
my-
Tara Garrison (49:56.8)
my gosh.
Freddie Kimmel (49:57.635)
Anyways, I'm gonna have to find a backup channel to put videos on. This is annoying. I want to talk about building muscle. you know, it's really, you know, again, for some people it's really easy. I would love to hear what your kind of ground floor elevator pitch is for, like, what are the steps people need to do to really, like,
Tara Garrison (50:01.77)
no.
Freddie Kimmel (50:26.722)
improve over time, build muscle, see gains, witness transformation. And I know it's contextual, where are you at, what's your life cycle, what are you doing? Maybe what are the big mistakes people make in jumping into a fitness program with the idea of building muscle?
Tara Garrison (50:45.494)
Okay, I'm gonna hit this real fast because I know people are gonna get mad when they hear me say it because they're gonna think it doesn't have to do with it, but it does. The first thing you need to be thinking about is your sleep. I'm telling you, we create 70 to 75 % of our growth hormone for the entire day during deep sleep. You know why I'm muscle prone? Because I get more deep sleep than almost anybody I know.
There's also some other factors in terms of like technique I'm going to share in a second, but I really think that's most likely why I'm so like muscle prone. There could be some other factors, but yeah, I get like almost two hours of deep sleep every night. So think about it. If you produce 70 to 75 % of your growth hormone for the whole day during slow wave deep sleep and you're only getting like 20 minutes a night, it's going to be pretty hard to put muscle on. Right? So cool. There's peptides now that'd probably be a really helpful thing, but also like
Freddie Kimmel (51:30.05)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (51:34.136)
figuring out why you're not getting very much deep sleep, going on a whole journey with that. Which by the way, you should have a Devin Burke on your podcast about sleep. He's awesome. He's like mindset. I mean, he knows all the biohacking stuff. Like he used to do kind of what I do. you know Devin. Okay.
Freddie Kimmel (51:45.066)
Yeah, I know Devon. been on a, I was on a panel with Devon in like 2021. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (51:51.734)
Okay, cool. Yeah, he's great. I love how he's talking about mindsets with sleep. It's like, I've been using his stuff with clients and it works. So, anyway, just establishing that. So like, what does that mean? That means you need to fix your circadian rhythm to get like on a consistent sleep wake schedule. That is really going to help. Okay. So just setting the stage that way now getting into like the actual gym. Let's talk about that. Like I think.
Freddie Kimmel (51:55.978)
Yeah. Beautiful.
Freddie Kimmel (52:12.098)
Mm.
Tara Garrison (52:18.764)
what a lot of people fail to understand is how if you want to put muscle size on, you want muscles, you are talking about hypertrophy training. And a lot of people don't know like exactly how you go about that. Because it's not just lifting weights. It's, you know, basically there's different stimuli that you can achieve through weightlifting or resistance training, right? There's strength. You can even do a power.
stimulus, but typically it's their strength. And that's when you're going like really heavy for less reps, little bit longer rest intervals. Then there's muscular endurance where you're going higher rep. It's a more moderate weight and there's crossover. You're going to get some muscle from all of these, right? But if you really want to go after muscle, you want muscle, you've wanted mostly prioritize hypertrophy training, which you know, on the chat GPT answer is
Freddie Kimmel (53:00.546)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (53:10.668)
You know, three to four sets, there's lots of ways you can do it, but you're going to hear like three to four sets anywhere from like 10 to 12 rep range typically, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. And then everybody's got to have like 50 million opinions on if drop sets or training to failure and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm just going to, I'm just as somebody who I would say has a above average amount of muscle for your average 42 year old female and have been able to help lots of people.
Freddie Kimmel (53:23.607)
Hmm.
Tara Garrison (53:39.896)
get muscle. I'm just going to keep it really real with y'all. You have to get your muscles to the point where you literally can't do another rep. So yes, training to it's called mechanical failure. And I had to go on a whole freaking like weeks long thing with this on social media, because I think to people who are not in the training industry, when I say training to failure, something happens in their brains where they think I'm like,
saying like literally fall on the ground and like, you know, you're all out of sorts and you're like about to have a heart attack. That's not. So let me rephrase with training to mechanical failure, which all that means is like if I'm doing bicep curls, I'm safe. Everything's all good. I'm in a controlled position. I just literally can't finish the last rep. That's all. I'm not saying fall on the ground and the weights hit you in the head and you know, you're like passed out. That's not.
That's not what failure, that's not what we're, when we say failure, we're talking mechanical failure. Can't do another rep. And honestly, you can do people, the mindsets, like who was it? David Goggins has his like, when you think you're capped out, you're at 40%. He has something like that. When you think you're tapped out, you're, you're actually only at 40%. That's kind of true in my experience with a lot of people with resistance training, especially with that hypertrophy focus, because it gets really uncomfortable. Like you are like,
Freddie Kimmel (54:49.154)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (55:03.212)
making the ugliest faces, you're like freaking out. But I have seen the mind gives out way before the body does. Because all I'm watching is for signs of mechanical failure. So if I'm watching somebody do bicep curls, I'm watching to see they're starting to shake. They're starting to slow down on the concentric or lifting portion. They're really kind of having a hard time. now it's like you can see they're trying as hard as they can. And they just literally, they won't work, right? That's what I'm looking for. But when most people
Freddie Kimmel (55:28.834)
we have.
Tara Garrison (55:31.618)
give up and they like I'm like keep going till I tell you to stop. They're starting to get uncomfortable starting to burn. They're getting all that lactic acid build up. They're just like all of and they're like kind of freaking out. But I am seeing zero signs of actual mechanical failure. They're just still doing reps, but they're panicking. They're like looking around. They just not used to that feeling and then they just put the weights down. They're like, that's it. And I just level with I'm like you were not even close to failure.
Freddie Kimmel (55:58.339)
Do you know what I'm thinking about when you're telling me this though, is that you know the story about when the woman walks out in the driveway and she sees that the car has fallen off the jack and on her husband and she lifts it. The nervous system saves, when Goggin says you have 40%, it saves that. It doesn't give you access to that.
Tara Garrison (55:59.862)
Not even.
Tara Garrison (56:15.55)
right.
Tara Garrison (56:22.762)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (56:27.306)
like part of your training is, we can work with accessing that, that full outness where you can lift a car and maybe not to that dramatic, but I always think of that example. like, well, the body's always got more in that adrenaline response, right?
Tara Garrison (56:30.894)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (56:39.886)
Yeah, and I don't always train to failure and there's certain exercises you're obviously not going to do this on like, you know, I don't not encourage anyone to do deadlifts to failure with a barbell or barbell back squat. So it's like on the on the exercises that make sense, you know, that are easy like accessory work like you're doing lateral raises like that's pretty safe and easy to get to the point where you just can't do it anymore. And you might not always have it in you to train that hard. That's okay, Right. But
Freddie Kimmel (56:55.894)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (57:07.81)
For the most part, the thing that me and many of my fellow coaches that are like, you know, people I really respect, we all agree that the huge reason most people do not get the results that they want to see in terms of muscular growth is they lack intensity in their training. Now, when you're new, you're not going to have that. Just like me, if I learned some completely new exercise today at the gym, I'm not going to go all out with it. It's going to take several.
you know, a while before I feel that level of comfort of like, okay, I know what I'm doing now before I'm going to get there. So I don't mean to, you know, please don't anybody hurt yourself, right? Like the number one rule of training is like do no harm, right? So I'm not encouraging that. But once you've got it, like you got to hit those intensity levels. Like I am like, if you see me at the gym, most of the time, my eyes are going to be closed. I'm like freaking out, you know, like I'm like, like there's so many F words coming out of my mouth, you know.
Freddie Kimmel (57:46.752)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (58:04.642)
Like I'm panicking kinda, but I'm used to that. You know, these are exercises that I feel safe and comfortable with, right? But that's what I'm trying to get to. And so, you know, obviously like for some people hearing me say that they're like, whoa, you know, and that's why, like that's the difference. I get accused of doing steroids. I've done peptides once for like a one round, many years ago.
Freddie Kimmel (58:06.85)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (58:20.587)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (58:25.024)
Yeah. I was going to say in your social media, you have a, I've seen, and I don't visit your social media all the time, but I've seen definitely haters come in the few times that I've visited that are like, you know, she's on Roids. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (58:29.678)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (58:34.104)
Go something.
constantly. Right. And you know, it's like, man, if you only knew like, I'm not even tracking my food, like, I'm honestly kind of shocked that I still have the physique that I do. I'm like, not. It's all lifestyle for me now. But I but I think a big reason is I sleep really well. Obviously, I eat well, you know, I do prioritize protein and all that kind of stuff. But it's like, I know I'm not trying to sound egoic. I'm just trying to like, give people the heads up. Like, I it's obvious to me that
most people in the gym are not being as intense about it as I am. You know what I mean? You just kind of know. And there are some, you know, there's some put me to shame. I'm like, whoa. And they have the results to show for it. You know, so it's kind of having to get past some of that fear and like really driving into that deep discomfort. Because if you don't give your body a stimulus to adapt to, nothing's going to really happen. You know?
Freddie Kimmel (59:10.924)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (59:19.03)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (59:31.67)
Yeah, yeah. If you had four exercises that you could do in the gym, you're limited to four for the rest of your life, what are they?
Tara Garrison (59:43.438)
Squat, deadlifts.
pull-ups and farmers carries.
Freddie Kimmel (59:51.138)
I love a farmer's carry. I love a sled pull and a sled push.
Tara Garrison (59:56.662)
Yeah. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I like all the functional stuff. Like one of my early certifications is a functional strength coach certification. So I love all that kind of stuff. Like you'll see me all over the turf doing crazy stuff and I think that's really fun. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (59:58.7)
Great exercises.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:07.201)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:10.804)
Yeah, incredible. we walked through, for hypertrophy, it's really where we really wanted to understand that intensity.
Tara Garrison (01:00:19.118)
And obviously eating sufficient protein and sleeping well. But that's the missing piece for a lot of people is that intensity.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:25.952)
Yeah, beautiful. Beautiful. It's such a great reminder. It made me think about when I first, I remember the first time I like touched a weight was in like high school. We were like 16 and I was playing Joseph in the amazing Technicolor Dreamco. And I remember one girl was like, you've got like pecs a little bit. I still have that picture. gotta, I gotta bring it out. I should cut it into this clip. I it. It's so ridiculous.
Tara Garrison (01:00:45.144)
which is
Tara Garrison (01:00:49.589)
I love it.
Freddie Kimmel (01:00:53.27)
But we worked out as friends, we had this old barn, it's probably filled with mold. And it was like, you know, remember those weights that were molded in plastic? It was like concrete with plastic around, they were like orange, yellow and rusty bars. Yeah, old school, old school. You know, we had a couple of things, but we'd go around, we had like ACDC jam and it was so fun. I never work out with people anymore. I just had a trainer probably six months ago and I got like, I put on like,
Tara Garrison (01:01:03.906)
Whoa, wow, old school.
Tara Garrison (01:01:13.164)
Nice.
Freddie Kimmel (01:01:22.914)
10 pounds of muscle. I was like, wow, this is real. We weren't working. You we were doing hard work, but it was somebody there as my accountability partner, but it was also way more fun. And I miss that now. I'm not, I'm not doing the trainer. I'm, I'm being frugal right now, but I really miss the comradery and like walking into the gym. You're like, what's up? We're going to lift. You know, there was really something special in my head. I'm like, I need to call a couple of people and be like, who wants to just do, let's do once a week.
Tara Garrison (01:01:32.792)
Mm. Mm.
Tara Garrison (01:01:43.052)
Hmm... Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:01:51.948)
Yeah. Yeah. And I think, yeah, some people are, that's so perfect for, know, and I love that. And I think a lot of guys are that way. I'm a little more like a solo. I think for me it's because it's like creative time for me because I'm like, I'm sitting there, like I'm moving with it while I, I'm like a painter with their paintbrush. like, Ooh yeah, that'd be smart. Ooh yeah. Yeah. You know, like, so I kind of like to be in that zone, but, last little thing I just have to say on the intensity thing. I'm going to give like a golden nugget. Okay. in terms of hypertrophy.
Freddie Kimmel (01:01:52.735)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (01:02:00.589)
Sure.
Freddie Kimmel (01:02:07.371)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:02:12.715)
Yeah, yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:02:21.644)
Like a lot of people here like, you know, time under tension or whatever. I guess the best way I can communicate this is don't break the tension. Now, other trainers are going to come after me if they hear this, maybe and be like, no time under tension is, but yes, you don't need to worry about that. Well, here's why it does matter. Here's why it matters in like practical reality for people in my opinion. Meaning if I'm doing a biceps curl and I'm coming, I'm like lengthening as much as I can without completely turning my biceps off. Right. Like, so I'm like,
I still have tension, right? I still have tension, but I'm really lengthening out. And then I don't rest at all. I don't turn it off. It's still on. And then I come back all the way up and then I do the same thing. I'm not, I'm not turning it off at the top. I'm not turning off the muscle, right? There's like this lag that a lot of people do, which works for strength stimulus. Okay. But it's like off and on and off and on and off and on and off. just takes so much longer.
for you to be able to fatigue that muscle as much like you will get there so much faster. If you keep that tension on and don't break that chain. That's like definitely one of the biggest things I see block people like I love to take men like my friends in real life through like a peck workout because they're like, I'm like, what do you usually do? They're like like eighties and I'm like grab the forties and they're like, give me a break. Come on. And I'm like right up forties. And then there will be like a joke for the rest of our friendship. Like remember when you crushed me with those forties because I
Freddie Kimmel (01:03:23.564)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:03:46.894)
I'm having them activate properly and not lose tension. you want to make it harder. With hypertrophy, you're trying to make it as hard as you can. With Olympic lifting and strength stuff, it's more a little bit more about biomechanics. You're trying to make it easier, right? But with hypertrophy, you're trying to make that 10-pounder feel like a 30-pounder. Yeah. OK. I want to throw that.
Freddie Kimmel (01:03:53.323)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:03:57.046)
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (01:04:01.303)
That's right.
Freddie Kimmel (01:04:07.362)
That's right, yeah. Yeah, we could do a whole show on just gym stuff. I could talk to you forever, if we're past our hour. I'm such a great conversation. I literally feel like this is one of my best podcasts and I've done 250. It's so good, you're so great. I want just to call into the universe for you if you want this, that you should just, you know, they should put you on stage at more places. You should really be speaking to the masses. It's just so good.
Tara Garrison (01:04:12.578)
Yeah.
Yeah, we are.
Tara Garrison (01:04:21.902)
Aww. Aww, thanks Freddy.
Freddie Kimmel (01:04:36.17)
Yeah, it's so good. hope more people find you. How can people, I'm sure you're gonna have a point where you just get filled up. How can people work with you without doing one on one? Is there a way to do that?
Tara Garrison (01:04:48.781)
Yeah, I made an app because of that and I am pretty full right now. I'm about to make it weightless vibes. I'm like, I can maybe handle one more. I do have an assistant coach who's amazing. Like, holy crap, she's like a genius, you know, she's a really good coach. So if people want to do want one on one, my website is Tara Garrison calm. It's called higher coaching. You'll see it's like one on one coaching, right. And that has all everything that's included there. But you know, it's expensive, you know, for
Freddie Kimmel (01:04:50.796)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:04:58.284)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (01:05:10.004)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:05:15.158)
Yeah. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:05:15.946)
a lot of people and I needed that I'm like what I'm only gonna help people who can like afford it like so I did make an app my app is really cool. I'm really proud of my app everyone who so far I'm like guys give it to me give me like that constructive criticism you're not gonna hurt my feelings are like I love is like the only little thing is like some little tech thing that we just can't do but they're like no I love it my my subscribers really love it. So the training I'm kind of like a boutique coach you know I'm not like anybody else so that my training is very you know you're getting full nerd and then I have
Freddie Kimmel (01:05:37.462)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:05:45.134)
The mindset I do these 22 minute mindset journey walking meditations that people are loving. I'm about to start filming some more of those. Like it's sync or people get in nature and do some mindset work in a fun way while they're just walking for 20 minutes warming up. And then I have a whole biohacking section and oh my gosh, we have so much in there. We have a community. I do lives and all that kind of stuff. So that's only like.
Freddie Kimmel (01:05:51.618)
Cool.
Freddie Kimmel (01:05:56.673)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:06:06.414)
25 bucks a month if you go through the website, it's a little cheaper, you know, so, or you can get a discount if you do the whole year. So that's, you know, if you just go to my website, you'll see that on there or you can go to app.terragarrison.com. But that's like kind of my low, you know what I mean? Like anybody can kind of come into my world that way.
Freddie Kimmel (01:06:11.062)
Let's go.
Freddie Kimmel (01:06:17.248)
Yeah.
That's great. People always ask me and I'm like, I mean, I have my three, who do I say? like, I like the original strength guys from mobility and movement. I, really like Kelly Stara. I just, him and his wife were just very kind and nice. like, knees over toes guys. Great. His little niche stuff. but the fact that you offer an app with training and there's videos in there and everything, people can figure it out. Easy breezy. There you go.
Tara Garrison (01:06:45.592)
Everything. Yeah, nutrition. We've got the full video or you can do the short clips once you've watched it. But I'm I like to teach I like people to understand, you know, and so you know, there's some of that as you go throughout the workout. But then if you just want to watch the video real quick reminder with that we have a whole nutrition keto and a balanced approach. We've got tons of recipe video. I mean, it's like, remember how I said I'm a little over a
Freddie Kimmel (01:06:54.55)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:07:06.946)
Oh man, wanted to, there's so many things I wanted to talk about keto because I, you know, again, I love it for it's, and I use it for a long time to manage, you know, post cancer. I was so hardcore for like three or four years. And it, you know, I was like, it helped the terrain in certain aspects, but then I do think that there's like, well, you know, my genetics don't say I should be keto.
Tara Garrison (01:07:22.818)
Mm-hmm.
Tara Garrison (01:07:28.162)
Totally.
Freddie Kimmel (01:07:34.994)
And my body is sure, you know, my body, again, I was actually starting to develop more body fat and my cholesterol did not like it. It just didn't like it. I couldn't normalize it.
Tara Garrison (01:07:41.324)
Yeah. Same. I wrote a book about this. you know that? I wrote a book called Short Term Keto. My whole... When I came out of the keto world, my little slogan became, keto not forever. Like keto is really cool, but I work on doing it forever and here's why. that's... Yeah. Short term keto.
Freddie Kimmel (01:07:50.754)
that's amazing. We'll link that.
Freddie Kimmel (01:07:56.066)
to Keto not forever.
That's on Amazon, right? Okay, we'll link that book. We'll link that book. Show noters, get that link.
Tara Garrison (01:08:04.59)
You find it on my website. Everything's on my website, obviously, too, if anyone's interested in that. But yeah, I liked it. And it's you know, it's educational. And then it has a whole like meal plan of like how to bring cars back in or do you want to do targeted or sick or blah, blah, blah? Because yeah, keto is a really cool therapeutic intervention. But I didn't like the dogma. You know what I'm saying? Remember me coming out of cult like thinking I was like, seeing some of that here. Let's be reasonable about this and give people good information. So that's about
Freddie Kimmel (01:08:06.828)
Don't forget that link.
Freddie Kimmel (01:08:11.554)
Amazing.
Freddie Kimmel (01:08:24.844)
Yep, I know.
Freddie Kimmel (01:08:31.584)
Yeah, yeah, energy behind the action. As we close out, you get a little magic wand. You can tune everybody's iPhone into Coach Tara's channel. What would you say to the people of the planet right now?
Tara Garrison (01:08:35.5)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:08:50.016)
really hyper focus on how you treat yourself internally. Like notice, notice just in little nuanced ways how you're not validating yourself, how you're pressuring yourself, how you're, you know, having conditional love with yourself, scaring yourself, really, really work on
like mending that relationship into something beautiful. Really validate yourself, validate yourself. It's not making excuses. It's not making excuses. It's validate how you're feeling and then work on encouraging yourself, encouragement. A book to kind of cap that off is Self-Compassion by Kristin Neff. Can't recommend it enough. I consider self-compassion to be the portal to all personal growth.
You can achieve your goals without it, but you're going to end up like I was at 11 % body fat where you're just stressed out of your mind and like you're just like doggy paddling to keep up with everything. And it's just a really stressful way to live. But if you start with self-compassion and work on your relationship with yourself and really making that something beautiful, you can achieve anything. And it's from such a more beautiful, peaceful place. just, yeah, I'd say that is like really, really.
start paying attention to like, am I being cool to myself? Would I say that to somebody else? Like, let me, let me be like fix, heal this relationship. And I, I say that one because, it's, it's, evident in every single person I work with. And even me after working on this many years, still find little ways. like, Ooh, that wasn't nice how I said that. Ooh, let me try again. So it's a massive problem. And it's, I'd say would completely change the world if everyone did their work.
on being more loving and compassionate with themselves.
Freddie Kimmel (01:10:36.39)
Mm. Yeah. So I don't know if I should spoil it. So I'm going to tell you how wild Universal Alignment is. I will send you this after the show. But before we got on this podcast, I recorded my six-minute module with Kristin Neff.
Tara Garrison (01:10:58.964)
No, you didn't because you're in Austin. Bro, I have to interview her. You don't understand. yeah. Okay. Yes. You just recorded that right before this.
Freddie Kimmel (01:11:03.744)
No, no, no, no. She's, I didn't interview her. I mean, I reference her material and there's an exercise called loving self-talk. I'm going to send you the clip before we sat down and I don't know her, but well, I'm to look her up, but just, yeah. When the, when the, yeah, when the matrix is on, it's on.
Tara Garrison (01:11:20.384)
You need to know her. She's in Austin, I think. Okay.
Wow.
Yeah.
Freddie Kimmel (01:11:30.474)
And then finally, I'm going to text you that clip. Don't forget, don't forget, don't forget, Freddie. beautifully broken podcast. the, the, process of breaking down, putting it back together. What does it mean coach Tara for you to be beautifully broken?
Tara Garrison (01:11:47.894)
I mean, we already summed it up best worst thing that ever happened to you. Like, I mean, we're both in the health industry. And like, I mean, if you're listening to this podcast, you've probably listened to many others where it's like this horrible thing happened to me. And then it was like the best thing that ever happened to me. Right. And so just know that like, if you are in one of those tearing down modes, like sometimes, yeah, you got to freaking burn everything down so that you can get into better alignment. And even if that sounds like
Freddie Kimmel (01:11:51.414)
Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:12:12.748)
you know, sometimes people are going through things like they had a kid that died or likes, you know, it's like, no, I'm not, that's, it's not like, I'm not trying to like get personal growth out of this or something. Like I'm just going through a really hard time. I just say like, you know, I've, I've been closely intimate with those types of life experiences of people I love and like, just hold, hold on because as time passes and as you continue to process,
whatever you're going through, I'm telling you, I know you might not be trying to get personal growth out of it, but you are becoming a more beautiful person as a result. So I love the name of your podcast. I mean, it's just true every time, you know, so like just, hang in there. Like it does get better. It gets so much better. Things do get so much better. And it's, this is just a, a low that is going to completely change you as a person.
You know, so if you are going through one of those, which I'm like, I wonder when my next one will be like, we're all going to go through those. just as somebody who has been through a whole bunch of them, I'm so grateful, you know, for all the, the wisdom and insights and crazy, learnings that I've had in this life because of those things.
Freddie Kimmel (01:13:14.07)
Mm-hmm.
Freddie Kimmel (01:13:33.149)
Yeah, well said. Thank you for being a guest. Tara, we will talk soon. Big love. Yeah.
Tara Garrison (01:13:36.802)
Thank you. Thank you, Freddie.
