Environmental Toxicity, Diagnostic Testing, and the Rain Barrel Effect with Dr. Stephen Cabral

Dr. Stephen Cabral joins Freddie on the show to discuss alternative medicine, Naturopathy, and his personal pain-to-power story (which is INCREDIBLE.). His passion for health and wellness was developed after severe medical complications at just 17 years of age. The search for a cure brought him to 50 different doctors through 100’s of medical protocols with little improvement. And…the story has a happy ending.

Stephen is also the author of The Rain Barrel and the founder and CEO of EquiLife and Integrative Health Practitioner Institute.

Like many of us, Stephen did not fit into the mold of western medicine as doctors could not pinpoint a way for him to feel better, it’s that simple. He needed to ask better questions if he wanted different answers. He shares his journey of diagnosis, recovery, and education to experience a disease-free life.

Episode Highlights

[00:36] Stephen’s struggle to find out his diagnosis

[08:32] Things that throw the body off-balance

[17:56] How to educate people on what goes on in the body

[27:14] What do environmental toxins do?

[37:49] Implications of the levels of toxicity passed down generationally

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (00:00.974)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken podcast. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show, we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (00:35.055)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We're here with a very special guest. I have Dr. Steven Cabral. Steven, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me on. It's so great to be here. It's great to have you. You have such a great body of work, which really aligns with everything we talk about the beautifully broken. That journey of putting the pieces back together and the art and integrity to which you do that. You have a wonderful book, which I'm highly aware of, The Rain Barrel.

Marine barrel effect, looking at environmental toxicity and self pathogens in the body and that how that can hinder our path or road to healing. How did you stumble upon this like body of work or what got you really interested in the extras in the body that can hold us back from feeling really vibrant? Yeah, for me, it was never planned. I think some people go into natural health with a plan, but from what I've seen now over the past 25 years or so,

is that most people get into this field through a story of their own or a hardship of their own. And it was no different for me. you know, essentially from 17 years old to about 20 years old, I saw over two different, brilliant medical doctors and specialists all around the Boston, Massachusetts area, which, you know, is very well known for the hospitals. Three of the top 20 hospitals in the world are in Boston, Massachusetts, MGH, Bring Women's, Beth Israel, and they are brilliant, brilliant doctors.

The problem was I didn't fit the mold of what was wrong with an individual. So they could see that my immune system was shutting down. had massively swollen glands. had white blood cell count issues, but they didn't know why. And so they just shuffled me from doctor to doctor, eventually getting to the point where doctors were saying, well, it must all be in your head. You're going to have to get worse before we can figure out how to make you better. And it was a really dark and trying time. So, you know,

The broken part of your podcast definitely resonates with me because who I was up until that point was someone that it was a perfectionist, a ego driven individual, oldest in my family, always trying to overachieve. And then I lost all of that. mean, had, well, eventually I ended up being diagnosed after three years by actually seeing a natural health practitioner, Addison's disease, an autoimmune issue called rheumatoid arthritis, type two diabetes.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (03:00.077)
mastocytosis, so mast cell activation syndrome, and many others. They can go on and on about asthma and massive environmental-based toxins and allergies, candida overgrowth, SIBO, H. pylori. There was a lot wrong with me. And so you kind of ask yourself a lot of big questions at a very young age, like how could all of this have happened to me? And it eventually begins, if you work with it, to unwind the ego and really destroy

who you were before, not in a bad way, but in order to rebuild and to go on to have the life that you want, you can no longer be the same individual. And so that was the most remarkable process that came through all of this. And I'm happy to share more of the story, but the good news is that Addison's disease is the worst of them, primary Addison's, which you're supposed to not be able to overcome, but I'm completely disease-free and 20 plus years later, I feel better than ever, more energy than ever and happier than ever.

Congratulations, that's a great story. It's so funny, my only experience with Addison's disease is my mom had a golden doodle and golden doodles are very prone to have Addison's. So part of the treatment protocol or management of symptoms for the later term of that puppy's life was to inject, think it was hydrocortisone. Does that sound right? Yeah, that's right. And so I was put on all those medications as well. So when you get diagnosed with so many different things,

The reason why they never, so that's the problem with conventional medicine is that I didn't fit the mold. I was too young to have any autoimmune issues. mean, this is the mid nineties, so it didn't make sense for the doctors. And so they never tested for it. And if you don't test for it, you don't know what's there. But I presented with all of the issues. Like I had massive brain fog. I just would never wake up. You know, it's my body never woke up. had flu like symptoms every day of my life while going through college, trying to be a normal college students and.

I had something called POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. I could no longer play sports. Again, like my ego prided itself on being a varsity athlete, on being a national honor society, doing all of these things. And then I had brain fog and I would break into hot flashes literally because I couldn't control my hormones, because I couldn't control cortisol. And so I couldn't control blood sugar, which is why I ended up with type two diabetes.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (05:15.652)
And I can see it all now, but this is not, and again, conventional medicine doctors are brilliant, but they're not trained in whole body disease pathology. They're trained in systems pathology, which means there's one doctor that works in the endocrine system for hormones. There's one doctor that works on your heart. There's one doctor. And it's like, that's the way that it works. And so yes, I got Cortef for my Addison's disease and I got Florinef from my POTS and I got this for that.

But then around the year 2000, the internet starts being more available and I start reading more. I I read thousands of books, but I started reading these things and people are on these medications. They don't live a very long life. And so that started to scare me. And I'm like, well, you know, what am I doing? I'm also masking my symptoms. I don't know if I'm getting better. So for me, I'm not saying this is the right choice for everyone. I said, I can't continue to mask my symptoms. I need to actually figure out the root cause of why this happened in the first place.

And I'm just fortunate and very grateful that that even occurred to me because that doesn't occur to most people. And so I always, you those are some of the wonders of life. Why did I even ask that question? Yeah, it just because I was a very stubborn individual and refused to not get well. And I think that's some of it. What we need is we need to actually move from there's no doubt about it. I was depressed. I was anxious. I was overwhelmed. Like most people, I was angry. And I think the anger part of it, though, can move us to have enough emotion to want to then

take the next step. It's certainly not a good emotion to have, but when I was depressed, did nothing. And that's not very healthy either. Yeah. I think it's, it's interesting the timeline to which you experience these symptoms, because like you said, the nineties, man, Dr. Google just is not what it is today. was no Dr. Google back then there was Yahoo. Dial up, right? So unless you were dialing up on the internet and I didn't have a computer back then I was in college late nineties.

And I didn't, I simply didn't have a computer, but I read, I, that's where my love for reading came about. And I read out of necessity. And then I realized that I love to read. And so then it never stopped after that. And that, was a, that was a really nice gift as well. If you can look at it in a more positive manner, I would never be where I am today without all of these things happening. And so when you share with people that you can't see it in the moment, like there's it's impossible because you're suffering, but you just have to realize that you will get well.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (07:39.176)
There's always an answer. really is. There's like, what I've realized again over my years too is there's usually six to 12 variables to get someone well from whatever they have. And that's why it's not one, there's no one silver bullet. But if you're willing to work those six to 12 variables, you can absolutely figure it out. And so that's the nice thing. Usually three months at the soonest, 12 months at the longest, like you're able to work the variables over that length of period of time.

So if you just say, Hey, worst case scenario, I figured this out over the next year. That's a nice way to look at it. Then you have the rest of your life to enjoy life. But there's so much that comes from it. So I think that we need to also allow the process to unfold instead of worried about when am going to get better? Like what's the timeline? We don't know the timeline, right? We don't. What we know is that we can work on the underlying causes that got you here, your deficiencies and toxicities. And then over that process, your body will heal. Yeah. Yeah. Never, never give up.

to quote Winston Churchill. It's exactly the very everything you're saying is exactly I can I could put myself in that same avatar different timelines through my life. just want I'm like I just got to ask better questions, you know, and it's like the work, you know, it is work, you know, it's work to get better from a chronic illness and you can never quit and just you have to have that belief system. I found probably if I had to put one thing a reason why I got better and I can look around in my community other people going through very similar things and they're still struggling.

I never doubted I would get better, ever. I had those images of those beautiful things that I love to do. You know, you love to read, I love to sing, I like to be on stage, I love to be in community, and I just kept envisioning those. Aversion of myself being there, and imagining it and dreaming about it, and just holding space for that. So I would love to know, you said there's six to 12 things we can work on these variables. What were a couple, if you could name the top two that you discovered for you, which were just like,

huge aha moments in an understanding that maybe these are the things that are throwing your body so off balance that you're expressing Addison's or rheumatoid arthritis. Yeah, without a doubt. and I give this all literally everything that I've learned, I give away for free. And so I call it the de-stress protocol. So there's eight parts to it. It's diet, exercise, stress reduction, toxin removal.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (09:59.943)
rest, is sleep, of course, but not just sleep and stay in a bed, it's actually getting enough deep and REM sleep. Then there's a big ones that people overlook, which is emotional balance. Then there's the scientifically based supplement protocols, not a supplement, no one supplements going to get you better. It's a protocol. And then it's a success mindset. So if you look at the distress protocol, and again, I've spent my life, this is my life's work. When I did my internships for my doctor degree, I didn't do them in the yes, I did some in the United States.

But I purposely went to India to study Ayurvedic medicine, Sri Lanka. went to China to study in a TCM hospital. I went to Europe to study at a functional medicine slash like bioregulatory medicine practice. And I was just committed to finding out what really worked. And because I was skeptical, like, well, if there's one form of medicine, that's what I want to use as the form. I realized that the bottom line is that there, every form of medicine works. It just doesn't work all the time. So you need to know which form.

is right for which person at the right time in their life. And it's typically an integrative based approach. Now, if I can boil all of that down for if someone is not well, and if I could only do two things, like only two things that was allowed to work with that person, it would be on gut rebalancing, and it would be on stress. And if I can control the nervous system, and I can control digestion, I can for sure get someone 80 % better. It's still 20%. I need to tweak that. There's no doubt about it.

But if someone's dealing with the four gut pathogens of parasites, H. pylori, candida overgrowth, or SIBO, which is bacterial imbalances, and with that comes intestinal permeability, I can't fix the immune system. I can't help them with molds because you don't rid your body of mold really. do to a degree. What you do is you help with the mycotoxins that are there. Then you're going to boost your own immune system naturally to be able to eradicate the molds in your body. The same with Lyme.

Like, yes, you can do things for Lyme, you can do things for viruses, but at the end of the day, you're to take those supplements for the rest of your life. Or are you going to boost your immune system so that your immune system can do innately what it was meant to do? So it's about balancing TH1, TH2 immunity. And you do that first by sealing up the gut wall. Because if you're constantly spilling proteins, bacteria and waste into the bloodstream, right? Which is just literally a single cell.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (12:20.609)
then your immune system's always going to be aggravated and you're always going to have systemic inflammation. And on the other side of the equation, if you are always stressed, you are suppressing your immune system. And at an energetic level, it's nearly impossible to be in a parasympathetic based state where healing takes place. You're always in fight or flight. So it's just, you're imbalanced and healing can't take place. And so that took a long time to learn, even though it took me about one minute to say that took a decade to learn.

And having learned that, that's where I doubled down. Forget about your genetics. Your genetics matter. They do. But honestly, all these genetic tests right now, prescribing supplements based in your genetics, it's just the wild, wild west right now. Who's to say that you actually need all of that methylfolate right now, even if you have an MTHFR gene mutation or a SNP issue? Because you could be doing just fine. Because all the other factors that go along with methylation are perfectly fine.

And so that's why I always really try to refine what is going on in this moment. What are the underlying root cause and balances? And then we'll add on after that. Yeah, I would totally agree. I see people doing all types of fancy. It's almost like a bypass. It's like a, it's like a spiritual bypassing, but with a medicine application, you know, they're going to these just skipping steps for me. Yes. I always reference, like you said, gut health is so paramount and it's so tough. And for me, the

driver, the number one, I could always find stuff in a gut test or I could do, I had this really great paracytologist at one time that I had found going down the rabbit hole, parawellness.org. Oh, he's a great doctor. can't remember his name right now. Anyways, I could always find those things, but the driver of my gut dysfunction or transit time was always driven by stress. was always, I was not breathing. I did not know how to breathe.

I didn't understand how to be or exist without this weight of chronic illness on my shoulder. So it was like everything I did. My favorite term right now is energy behind the action. When I come out with t-shirts, that's going to be number one energy behind the action because the art of going over and making a cup of coffee can be Zen and you can be in the rock garden or it can just be like for netic and you want to get it done. the things are clanking on this, you know, everything can be an art of nervous system tone.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (14:46.936)
And that's what I've learned. I don't have to take time to meditate. It's how I move through space, how I touch the handle of the car door. Everything can just be this fluidity to it. And so if you frame it like that, all of a sudden, moment to moment, I'm healing. And for me, that was this really transformative, I just had a huge shift in how my gut responded to all foods. Just living that. 100%. No, and we say the only people who don't get well,

from the gut protocols that we've developed literally over the last 15 years are people that relapse because of stress. And it is all because of the motility issue that you just mentioned, a lack of getting to the parasympathetic, which is going to help you produce stomach acid. People overlook the value of stomach acid. You kill parasites on your own. You kill bacteria on your own when you have a pH level of about two in your stomach.

And then if you don't have a pH level of two or three in your stomach, or you don't produce enough stomach acid, then you don't produce enough bile. And if you don't produce enough bile, then you slow down bowel transit time. You don't remove a lot of the toxins in the intestines. And you also don't allow the ileocecal valve, which is just your small intestine connecting your large intestine to stay closed. It's supposed to be a one-way street. So now if you're getting colon-based bacteria up into the small intestine, which does happen,

then you end up with SIBO and you basically give yourself SIBO over and over and over. And so again, what do you do at the end of the day? Do you just continue to stay on something like the CBO protocol that we have forever? Or do you work on stress at the same time that you're removing these pathogens? so there is no, again, like there's no one thing fixes all. It is a true blending of both the psychological and the physiological because your psychology affects your physiology. just shared that example.

but also your physiology affects your psychology. So when I had Addison's disease, I couldn't have motivation and I couldn't have ambition and I couldn't have drive. And I can tell you how difficult it is when you are deeply fatigued, you're a walking zombie to pretend that everything is okay. You know? So that's why I say we have to work on both. And like the tagline for my podcast is change your body, change your life because

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (17:11.513)
This vessel is what carries you through life. And if it is broken down, then it's so challenging to then have the best psyche possible to go do all the things that you want. So I would visualize, I would do that, but I wasn't as good as you were. would relapse mentally and physically every couple of months. And, especially in the winter time when I would get chronic bronchitis, just taking antibiotics relapse again, two weeks after three weeks after getting pneumonia every single winter.

for five years because my immune system was so weak. You know, and that's why I empathize with people that it is as much a mental battle as it is physical. But again, when you know that you will get well, it gives you peace of mind to just move through the process because you will, you'll get well. Yeah, that's been my life work is just being an advocate for that. Like I said this yesterday, I was like, have more energy than I've ever had.

You know, I've had literally my, and my team told me they're like, for your life, you'll never really be able to like digest food. You'll always have SIBO is, you know, the fun thing to be in this chronic illness game long enough is to watch the new terms roll along. Cause there's always going to be a new buzzwords to label or productize, right? SIBO when it first came out, everybody's like, everybody's got SIBO is the thing. And it's like, I went to the, you know, the national clinic in Portland to like meet Dr. Seebecker and like be examined by all. I didn't learn anything different.

No, yeah, right and they were like at the time they were like well you've had your ear intestines been cut and it's been severed and it's been resectioned you know because of all the retro peritoneal lymph node dissection, you know, you're always gonna have some though and that you know that wasn't I found a gap for that but when you're in it I just want to go back to when you're in it and people are telling you like all the things and you're getting this list of conditions. It's so hard to build a belief system

Like you don't have proof. as I'm, that's what I'm always telling people. I'm like, as someone who's on the other side of chronic illness, way beyond the other, but like I'm healthier than most people I know anywhere. And you know, I'm like up in the morning, it's like six 30, I'm up, I'm meditating, I'm doing all the things I'm doing yoga, I'm doing the gym, then I'm doing podcasts, I'm running the company, I'm traveling all over the world. Like it's possible. And like you, like a lot of it was just like, I had to be brought to my knees in humility.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (19:31.588)
And then get back up again. And it was just getting up. Sometimes it was just getting back up again and doing like even the wrong thing again. But, you know, I think that's why your podcast is so important. Your platform, what you're doing and what you're educating on is so important. Like you have this very, you know, you have like credentials and you have like, you're an author and you have a practice and you're ushering, you're teaching people how to do this. So that's a huge reason why I wanted to have you on because I can advocate it from an N equals one.

but you're seeing more than you're seeing bigger numbers go through this process and have success. So I'd love to talk about one way we can educate people is looking at what's going on the body, whether that's digestive markers or stealth pathogens or environmental toxicity. And I got to run through your company and environmental toxicity panel and we got to see what was going on in Freddie's body. So maybe we can just talk about that for a second. Yeah, absolutely. And so I had a

two locations in Boston, Massachusetts, for a private practice for many years, it was more than a decade. And over that time, we saw over a quarter of a million client appointments. So we have some of the largest databases in the world for functional medicine. And we learned over that time as well, because again, we're going by what was textbook and all things like you're talking about here. What I realized that you have to be careful the practitioner you go to.

because the things like the nocebo effect that you received in your head. So the placebo effect is knowing you can get better. So the best one that I quote is always Ameliae QA, who is a psychologist, French psychologist. And he would help people heal by one simple phrase that said that every day in every way I'm getting better and better. And I love that because you can apply it to anything, literally anything in your life, work.

health, body, et cetera, but every day in every way I'm getting better and better. But it also shares with you that you only have to get 1 % better every day. Like that's it. And it just accumulates over time. And I like what you said too about you're just doing something. Imperfect action is always better than no action at all, as long as you're tracking variables. So the way that we help people get well is again, there's six to 12 different variables maximum. So like, for example, let's give a real concrete one.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (21:50.46)
One out of five women will deal with thyroid issues. One out of eight men to 10 men will deal with thyroid issues. Functionally low thyroid, which she means to weight gain, poor detox, low energy, hair thinning, low mood, brain fog, high cholesterol when they get older, et cetera. Well, thyroid is very easy to fix because you know that there's six to 12 things that go wrong with the thyroid. It could be

selenium, it could be zinc, it could be vitamin B6, it could be iodine, it could be iron, it could be high cortisol. Like you're just working the process of which one of those was it? Or if it's autoimmune, okay, well 90 % of all autoimmune issues are tied back to the gut and gut-based permeability. If it's not that, it's heavy metals or viral base. Let's just figure out which one of those it is. And so that is when, we've been doing at-home lab testing for a long time, hundreds of thousands of labs.

But now my practice went virtual in 2019 where we actually take the labs like we did for you and ship them to 27 countries all over the world. Because the goal is to be able to open source. So my ultimate goal is to open source true healthcare, right? We can't diagnose disease. We can't provide medical treatments. We can't provide medical cures. That's for medical doctors only. We look at the underlying root cause of balance. So we don't diagnose disease. We figure out what caused the disease.

And that's my ultimate goal is open source. We open source all of our protocols and all of our labs. You can see exactly what we do. And then can work with your own practitioner if you choose to. Like if you have a great naturopathic doctor that you're currently work with or functional medicine doctor, there are differences or integrative health practitioner work with them. But look at the body of work of what we've done. We know that it works. Like we just know that it works and we're always open. Like that's the thing is like, we're always saying, what's the new data? But nobody is ever going to be.

as they say, the guinea pig in our practice, right? You're not going to be the first one to test this out with a lot of these. I'm not against peptides. I'm not against stem cell therapy. I'm not against any of these things. I'm just talking to experiment on anyone inside of my practice, you know, with. Sure. So hopefully that helps. And what we did for you is we did a test that's not well known and it's called an environmental toxicity test, but it's been around since the late seventies. And what it's doing is it's actually looking at.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (24:08.51)
a little over 170 different toxins from the environment that might be like insecticides, pesticides, herbicides, phthalates, things from plastic, all the things that we hear about. And the common rebuttal is that sure, there's over 140,000 man-made chemicals in the environment, at least 50 % of which we know cause cancer. However, your liver is able to remove these on a daily basis and there's generally regarded as safe

You know, the problem is this one. They've never been studied when combined with each other. That's a problem. The second is that they do accumulate over time. And even from birth, we know that from the environmental working group, you've probably chatted about this before, but they did a study called the 10 Americans and they know on these 10 Americans that the only testers were 400 markers for chemicals. They found the average was about 226 and these 10 Americans weren't even born yet. This was done on fetal cord blood. And so it's remarkable. The kids are already coming into life.

with heavy metals and phthalates and these toxins. So we're already at a disadvantage and we now wonder, well, why are the rates of autism going up? Why are the rates of ADD, ADHD, gene mutations, Alzheimer's, cancer, heart disease? Well, it's all based on an inflammatory based process that affects us from chemicals environment. Again, it's not the only variable, but it's certainly a big one. so, yeah, I'm glad that we were able to run that lab and share that with people.

I've become increasingly aware of the way environmental toxicity affects my body. Now in the past, I've tested high for mercury, lead, cadmium, glyphosate, and mycotoxins from mold. Now I know what you're thinking, that is a full bucket, and even worse than the list of toxins was the fatigue, the neuralgia, and the brain fog due to the burden on the system.

So luckily, I was introduced to the Ion Cleanse Foot Bath by AMD at a wellness conference. The system uses both positive and negatively charged ions to help eliminate these harmful toxins from the body. So my N equals one experiment? After four months, I've watched most environmental toxicity fall by more than 30 % through diagnostic testing. So for me, this is a win-win. The Ion Cleanse by AMD is a fan favorite of the podcast because it's safe.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (26:23.635)
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All the time, you know, I'm getting new data about my body just to learn about how these different paths and the road intersect and how I can get more information to make actually get more information to ask better questions. Really that, cause I'm, I'm always peeking at that and living as we talked about, like I live the life. It's never, I don't look at it like, um, a chore to be in the sauna or like right before our podcast, I jumped in a 43 degree barrel of ice.

just for two minutes and did some breath work just to prep my mind and brain and nervous system and just be really, really, really present in the moment. It's just a lifestyle. So I'm always interested, especially from a toxicity standpoint, what my body is, is holding and what it's letting go. Now, now you said maybe it's, I just want to offer again, more self-experience of my N equals one and from my community, what do environmental toxins do? I have so many

people that I've connected with and watched struggled with horrible, horrible plaques or isis, horrible full body systemic like yeast and scabs and really, really awful. And people have gone through a detox protocol and use some type of a binder and some type of a methodology to optimize sweating. And I've watched hundreds of people drop these conditions and medications and need for cortisone creams.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (28:46.078)
And it's been really wild and you just see it again and again and again. So I've watched people get a test, see high levels of toxicity, go through a protocol of detoxification or optimizing the function of the liver and then be non-symptomatic. So I do see this often and I love looking at this test because again, from an N equals one, I live this clean life, but I also just moved in in the last year to a brand new building. And the minute I walked in, I had this feeling was like,

It looks nice, but the floors aren't real wood. And I know the off-gassing of this, like you can smell that new car smell in the home. So I was interested to see what was come up anyways. I know those, those are all great points and you're right. Like you have four main ways to detox your liver is without a doubt the most important that we have the kidneys. Then we have the skin, which is if you take advantage of it, most people don't. Well, then that can be one of the largest extra-cratory organs for the body. And then we have our breath.

And so, that is why, sauna and sweating can be so powerful because until your liver is able to optimize phase one, phase two detox, and it's typically phase two, most people are good with phase one. They get enough vitamins, during the day, minerals that are specifically needed, but they're missing all of the sulfur based, amino acids of how that works. So it's actually more harmful, believe it or not, we won't get into it, but it changes into something called an intermediate metabolite, which actually causes more oxidative stress. so that's, that's very detrimental, but you give.

your liver a break by opening up your pores and sweating out a lot of these materials. And that's actually clinically proven now. So not us, but you know that we've taken the sweat from an individual that gets out of a sauna and you can see metals. You can actually see mold in that. That is traceable directly to you being able to get out of your body. So pretty phenomenal. Not even to mention as you heat up the body, you actually begin to

kill viruses in the body through your own thermogenic based process. So yeah, pretty impressive. But as we say, without further ado, let's get into our tox screen profile here. And what we're looking at is 18 different markers. It goes over 170 different chemicals and they're grouped within these different markers. And these are all usually recent exposure unless, because there are multiple ways that your body is.

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detoxing them, it's removing them from the body and they've finally been excreted through the urine. This is a simple urine based test. This is not going to show any metals. That's a separate lab test. And it's not going to show mold or lime or other cell pathogens. This is going to show things that you've been exposed to from the environment, as exhaust fumes, VOCs, pesticides, insecticides, and even some food byproducts as well. yeah, ask questions as we go along and I'm going to move through and

There's no quiz at the end. So nobody knows how to pronounce any of these names. Conventional medicine loves giving ridiculous names to everything. So totally, totally. Yeah. As we move through this, have to, I'm going to like toot my own horn here. So I got a great consult with someone from your team who is very well versed in the test. And she had a great explanation behind every line item, where it came from, where the possible exposure could be. But she also offered, she was like, Freddie, I rarely see tests like this. She's like, do you're definitely doing something right?

the levels on some of these. So that was also exciting for me to see. that's why I would never use your lab because I would never use yours as a case study. So I do case studies like twice a month where I actually review labs for the podcast community. I do this twice a week for my team on any hard cases we've never seen before. But your lab is really good. I and I expect that right. So you expect to see a good quality lab from someone that's there on their own journey. They've gotten to a good place.

They're doing things like sauna and cold plunges and the right nutrition and supplements for their body. you know, but even said that though, now we can look at a few markers that were elevated. So what we're looking for every individual is to be essentially below the 95th percentile. like in that bottom 5%, it varies based on the actual units per number that we're looking at for the toxin, but it's a green, yellow, red based graph. So anybody kind of thinking of like, what does this look like? It's a.

bar graph horizontal, and the black line is your level. And it either, it shouldn't be in the green, but if not, okay, we're moving to yellow. That's okay. You've been exposed to this or read way too much in your body and we need to do something at a faster basis. So the very first one, this is not uncommon though. This one is called hydroxy isobutyric acid. And we see this elevated mainly from people living in cities and it's mainly from exhaust base fumes, gasoline fumes, keep in mind.

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Most of these toxins are invisible. You can't see these things in the environment. You kind of smell them. Oftentimes not always, but you can see them. You can smell them and it affects your nervous system. So that's really important as well, because all of these things cause inflammation. So you might say, well, why does someone have plaque psoriasis? Why do they have rheumatoid arthritis? Why do they have MS? Why don't they have lupus? Like all of these things are different. Well, they are in the arms because if you look at the rain barrel effect, what happens is these environmental toxins are one more.

drop of water added to your rain barrel and between stress, EMFs, poor food choices, lack of sleep, et cetera, et cetera, you eventually overflow your rain barrel. When that happens, then that's when your genetics matter. So inside of my genetic code is rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, and other issues like Addison's, but I will never get Hashimoto's thyroid eddies. It just won't happen. It's not in my genetics. I can't make that happen to my body no matter how bad I get.

Rheumatoid diabetes, yes. Yours might be different. Yours might be, again, it could be MS, it could be lupus. Like I won't get those things because it's not in me. And so that is, but remember if you empty the rain barrel, then you remove what caused those genetics to be turned on. So that's why this is so important. So when you're thinking environmental toxins, you can't say it does this one thing. It turns on the genes that are your negative base genes that lead to again, the brain fog or whatever it might be. So.

Yours were actually elevated for this hydroxy isobuteric acid. We see this sometimes with gut peripheral based issues, but mainly through exhaust based fumes. I just moved to Austin, Texas, and I'm in a very, it's pretty busy little area right here. And I'm also, I have to move. I'm like, I'm literally like a mile from the airport. So I do watch planes just go go all day. Yeah. And I've been in the same boat.

Yeah, it's a great apartment. just I know in my heart, I'm like, I got to get out of here. You know, and it's a tough one, because I've always lived in cities my entire life, Boston, Massachusetts, Providence, Rhode Island. And so, you know, sometimes it's a trade off. Right. But I always say, if you're doing everything else right, then that's your trade off. Like, that's the thing. And so for me, if I want to live here, OK, well, there's a

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price that has to be paid. And that is for me to taking care of my detox systems and doing these things and using the air filter. And so I agree with you, it is better to move out to where there's less cars and less exhaust fumes. But at the same time, like life is a little bit of a trade off and you have to see, okay, I get the same enjoyment out of that, et cetera? Right. Exactly. The next marker is for phthalates. So phthalates, the most parts are there in like bath, beauty, soap,

conditioner, cosmetic based products. And they can be in other aerosol based items too. So insecticides will always have them. Perfumes could have them, any type of adhesive. When people start to see this lab, they get worried that they're being exposed to all these things. I always say you need to look at the things that you're doing on a daily basis and not worry about the things that you only do every once in a while. So essentially that starts with what you put on your skin and what you put in your mouth. So

That means water filters, shower filters, bath filters, cooking products, cleaning products, bath products, and food. And everything else you don't worry about until you've slowly chipped away at those. But if you're using literally bath products that have chemicals in them that you're exposing to your skin, your skin's a two-way street, and it can be absorbed in your bloodstream, we have to start there. And all of these things don't have to be done all in one month.

You can do them over a course of, let's say you choose the six months and every month you're to replace one thing. Doesn't have to every pan, but what's the pan that you use the most often? Okay. Make sure it's not an aluminum pan. Make sure it's not a non-stick pan. Go with a, well, whatever you decide is best for you. Glass, ceramic, cast iron, like whatever you feel is right for you, but a healthier one. And so that's where we kind of put that at ease because if phthalates are elevated, oh, it can lead to.

soft cancers in the body, meaning like leukemia and other issues like that. So again, these are real things. We want people just to be aware of them. Yours was low. Yeah, very low on this one. also thought this is so interesting to me, like the low levels of phthalates can feminize the male brain of the fetus while high levels can hypermask unilize the developing male brain. That's wild right now. I mean, and that's that statement could be very triggering for people, but

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It's interesting. And when we're talking about these levels of toxicity that are passed down generationally, there is an implication there that I think is valuable just to do examine for people and to understand. It's a very good point. All of these studies have been done. And the best studies that people want to look them up is with the feminizing of frogs. you can just type that into Google and you'll be able to see exactly what we're talking about. But it actually creates reproductive issues in the male to a very great extent. So I would definitely look into that.

the most important time to run these labs are when you're thinking about conceiving. So if you're thinking about having a child in the future, start one year out running heavy metals screen, run an environmental screen, and then you have to worry, because you have plenty of time to, as you said, do a 21-day functional medicine detox, do a six-week to eight-week heavy metal detox. And it's not overwhelming. You just take it piece by piece. You invest in maybe a sauna, or just, again, there's lots of saunas popping up.

You can get a package where it's $10 persona. Like you don't have to make the big investment. So these are all great, great tips that I know you share with your audience. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about this. You can even build one at home for like $143 with these great light bulbs that emit heat and red light and pop one up in your shower. So there's always a way to get it in. Yeah. 100%. The next one is xylenes. So this is called a methyl hyperic acid and xylenes are going to be in

invisible vapor, a smell that may or may not be scented. And if it is, it's often scented with a fragrance. so whenever you see on your products, fragrance or some random name like that, it is a chemical that they do not have to list. This is different when it's put in cleaning products, paint products. Like again, if you move into a new home, the problem is they most likely used

paint with VOCs in it, volatile organic compounds. And you're like, well, that doesn't sound too bad. It has the word organic in there. No, it's actually, these are the off gasses. So you're breathing these in, they go directly into your nasal passages. And the problem with these is they get a free pass in your bloodstream. So they don't have to be passed by your liver quite yet. They go right into your bloodstream and they cause massive oxidative stress. Oxidative stress is basically free radical damage that can affect any part of your body. Typically, again, the genetic weak parts.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (40:31.57)
So this is important again, we're gonna keep mentioning over and over household cleaning products, paints, pesticides, bug spray, perfumes, bath products. Do you ever wonder how people like can work careers in Amber Crombie and Finch in the malls? Have you ever noticed how much perfume they pump into the just the general space? It's mean, it's unbelievable at my height of like the chemical sensitivity in the mold and all the things.

around 2017, I had a time where I went to Target and I went down the cleaning aisle and I was like, dropped to my knees and like just started crying because I was overwhelmed. My body was like, get out, get out. was like kryptonite. 100%. And I'm, I was reactive, but I'm always thinking about those people who work every single day in those environments and whether they're responding to it or not, that's definitely a burden that is happening day after day after day.

There's gotta be a lawsuit someday from that company because they really do pump into the store. It's brutal. You know, the problem is, like they found with roundup and bug sprays that if you ever mix multiple ingredients together, they're not liable because there's no single pesticide, right? So the reason why roundup was liable and had to pay out over $200 million to one individual who has terminal cancer from it is that it was for home garden use. And it was that single product.

So that's how these companies get away with it. Cause once you mix it with 12 things, they're like, it wasn't us. It was this other thing. You can't prove that it wasn't. But you're right. know, the problem is this though, when you're, and you were sick as well, when you get sick, that's your baseline. Like that's what you know. So people working inside Target, they might just be dealing with brain fog, lethargy all day long. just like, that's their baseline. So when they go to work, they feel the same exact way. And that's the thing that's too bad. Like they don't know what life could and should be like. Right.

Right. Yeah. There's so many doors that open to you. it's, it's also, you know, visibly like maybe it's like a, kind of like Superman's X-ray vision. But when I'm watching somebody and when we go out to a, we go to a Target or we go to a grocery store, I can see it on people now. Like I can see I'm like, I'm like their skin looks like it just wants a good ringing out. Like they want like a week of a water fast and

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no sugar and a couple of saunas and that person would feel like a dramatic shift. Yes. Right. would be so dramatic. I hope some random person hears this and they're like, I'm going to do that for two weeks and see how I feel. Cause you will feel you'll, your brain will work different. Well, that's, that's what we believe. Like, so we do it 21 day and it's to shock people into how good they feel. we, just, need to understand for just a, don't have to change your whole life, but for a momentary part of time.

You just want to see what life can feel like. And so when you dramatically, again, empty that rain barrel, you feel such a difference. You're like, oh, this is what life could be like. Now, nobody ever gets it perfect after that. People say, oh, I'm going to go back. I can have a little bit of cheesecake and maybe just a alcohol drink, maybe two or three times a week instead of seven. And so what you then you're like, ah, yeah, I'm starting to feel that way again. But you do it again. And you're like, oh yeah, this is again. So you just make those gradual steps instead of.

three or four cups of coffee a day, you're down to, okay, just one or two before noon. And I think that that's the process for a lot of people. Now, some people, they're like, wow, what was this? And they do change their life right away. Like it is that instantaneous moment. And either way, again, like you and I just wanna move people, know, move that needle over time and get you there. Yeah, and confirm that it's possible. And without, you know, we could, and like you said, we're like, there's 18 items on this test that are all going to be very similar things that we can identify.

whether it's products or it's furniture we're buying or it's something that we're being exposed to on a playground that we think should be relatively safe and not realize it could be an environmental stressor, I find great value in looking at this data and it brings a deeper level of awareness to what could be holding us back to feeling really vital. So without going through the whole test, I would love just to hear about the platform and what you're offering people.

to do a deeper dive on some of these. Cause as I said, this is a test I got through Equalife. Yes. Yes. Equalife. Exactly. Equalife. Equalife. Equalife. People pronounce it Equalife more often. Yes. Yeah. And I got, not only could I order the test through you, but I could also, I got a consult with that. So I got to sit down with a professional and they walked me through what the data meant, what the actionable steps may be. And you offer a whole suite of different ways to look at the body and the terrain really. So I'd love to hear about that.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (45:09.806)
just to be mindful of our hour here. Yes. And so, you know, let's, for example, when we look at your lab without us going through all the markers, the ones that showed up for you, our job is to make sense of the lab, not for you to look at, it's this one, it's this one. Cause the only ones that showed up for you, they weren't pesticides on foods. You're eating the right foods, right? You're eating clean foods. They weren't the bath products. They weren't a lot of these, they were exhaust fumes and building materials. So we've narrowed it down to two things.

Okay, we know it's exhaust fumes or we know it's building materials. That's what you're working on. And so this is everyday exposure. So what do we do? Well, if you're someone that likes to work with a door open and you're in downtown Austin, you can't work with the door open anymore and your windows, you need to keep an airfoil. So that's what we're here to do. And that's why I don't believe that people should run labs at home without a consultation that comes with it. I really don't need to. I'm totally on board with that. I think it's actually dangerous because then you look all of these things up, you doctor Google it.

You think you're dying and that's not the case. Even for me with going through like the Institute for Functional Health Coaching and the Institute for Gut Health in Colorado, even with my background of knowing 20 years of this, I find I'm not a great, it's not been a great experiment for me to interpret my own data because I really don't have good discernment. Like I'm going to be pulled from what I know. I'd rather have an expert that really knows that test to say, well,

This isn't just a one shot deal. This is what I've seen with 500, 1000, 2000 people. 100%. And then that's really, that's really what you want. But then after that, you're given options as to what to do. Yeah. Nutrition protocol based. then it's at the end of the day, it's still your option to decide what you feel is best for your health. And so I know that that's what my team provided for you. Anybody with a more advanced background like yourself, all we're trying to do is fine tune. like all the people out there,

biohacking or optimizing, well, this is as deep as you can get. Like it's not guesswork. Should you do keto? Should you not do keto? Should you do this? It's kind of like, we don't have to guess anymore because we can actually look at all that data. So we have something called the big five, which looks deep into the body. That's what we run from most wellness clients. Not everybody can afford that. totally understand it. At home lab tests are expensive. They really are. And the reason is that they're not covered by insurance.

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we have to pay for the labs that we send out to people. But we also have something called the starter kit, which is a great place to get started. That's all your vitamin levels, your mineral levels, your gut health, neurotransmitter metabolites, energy markers. It's a nice place to start heavy metals, minerals, et cetera. So the truth is that just getting started again, learning a little bit of your health allows you then to ask the right questions, which you've said a few times now, because it's impossible to know what you don't know.

You take the next step, you learn a little bit more, you get a little bit better. And then you say, okay, now I'm going to run the next lab or move the next step. And then you get a little bit better. And the truth is that I was already better 15 years ago, more than that. Now I always say 15, but like the years keep going by. The thing is though, I feel better every year and it's because I continue to do the work. And now though, it's part of lifestyle. Like you just said, I don't have to do any extra work because it is my lifestyle.

So I try to teach my two daughters that are seven to nine years old right now. They're like, you're eating broccoli again. I'm like, I'm eating broccoli, not because it's my favorite food, but it's honestly become something I enjoy because I know what it does for my body, not what it does for my taste buds. And yes, I can still enjoy my favorite foods, but it's not every night of the week. And so that takes time. But the nice thing is you get started, you move forward and you get results. Yeah. Couldn't agree more. Steven, I feel like we need a.

episode two, because we're like just tapping on the service and this stuff is really, really interesting to me. And I know people are always asking me like, where do I start? Where do I go? You know, what do I test first and what's the best data to do? And you guys have really curated this beautiful suite of like you said, your top five. I also want to frame the five, the fab five that you have in your suite on Aqua Life. Yes. Did I say that right?

Yes. Equal life, equal life. It's all the same. knew I did it wrong. Equilibrium balance in the body. Equilibrium. like the, okay. The Fab Five, it's like, it's a couple of grand. It's like a really, really good deal. And I always frame like the process of going through cancer, metastatic cancer, that was like hundreds of thousands of dollars. So it's a very, very good deal. And the things we, I think the money's always there. It's about allocating funds and pulling. It's like, you know, at the end of the day, what do you want? And then.

Freddie Kimmel and Stephen Cabral (49:54.158)
by having deeper data on the body, maybe the more energy is more, it's a better partner, it's a better job, it's more joy. For me, that's priceless. And I just, I'm a huge believer in it. And like I said, we'll give people a link to kind of explore and see where they may want to go. But I definitely think we need to do a part two. We could do like five parts. Let's be honest. I'm happy to always join. I really enjoyed chatting with you today. I know you have an amazing community. I know the work you're doing, which is fantastic. So I'm just trying to be an add on.

for a lot of people in the great work that they're doing. If we can help people take the guesswork out of what is actually in balance, meaning like, I'll just give one more snippet that everything comes down to deficiencies and toxicities. I know that's oversimplified, but you have too little of something in your body right now that's vitally needed, like B6 to make serotonin. So all these people on SSRIs, right? I'm not saying that there isn't a time and place, but if you don't have enough B6 in your body, you can't make enough serotonin.

And then you'll have sleeping issues as well because it can't convert to melatonin. That's just one simple example, but it's a deficiency and a toxicity would be the SIBO, the Candida, the parasites, the H. pylori, the gut permeability, the heavy metals, the benzines that we just saw. It's all of those and we need to remove those. And so all we are trying to do is support the body. We don't help anybody. We don't share anybody. The body cures itself, but you have to give it the raw materials to be able to remove even sauna. A sauna is a supplement, right? You're supplementing your lifestyle.

Like that is, that's one way to look at it. That's what you're trying to do. And it comes down to the de-stress protocol. It's not one thing. You're not going to supplement yourself to getting well, just like you're not going to only eat yourself to getting well. It's a balance of everything. And when one part of medicine, natural medicine doesn't have to be the best, but we can all look at all parts. That's how you truly heal. That's where we're closing it off. was beautiful, Steven. Thank you for being a guest on the beautifully broken podcast. it. Namaste.

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