Functional Diagnostic Nutrition and Surviving High School with Evan Transue

WELCOME TO EPISODE 174

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel (00:01.274)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We are here we're rolling into season seven and I have actually a very good friend my friend Evan. Welcome to the podcast.

Detective Ev (00:13.83)
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's nice to be on the other side. We ended up connecting, like Freddie said, well, or he's gonna say probably, almost divine intervention, because we've been trying to do this for a while, then someone else hooked us up, and we both end up on each other's schedules, so it's fun.

Freddie Kimmel (00:27.026)
Yeah. Evan, do you pronounce your name, um, Tren Tsu?

Detective Ev (00:32.074)
Transu, yes.

Freddie Kimmel (00:33.59)
Got it. And what's the, give me the origin.

Detective Ev (00:37.158)
Well, I feel like I'm in the spelling bee now, right? So it's T-R-A-N- No, but it is French, apparently. And the only reason I know that is because my grandmother is a history buff and she went back through our entire genealogy and she told me one day, she's like, Hey, there was like two or three boats that came over during the revolution from France. And they had some trans-us on it. And that's why there's so few of us. So it's French.

Freddie Kimmel (00:57.442)
Yeah, amazing. Amazing. So I will give the audience a little background. We were both on a panel, I think it was 2001, October in Miami at the biohacking conference and biohacking Congress. And I did I was so impressed when you grab the microphone and just started to speak. I was like, wow, this guy is really in his power. There is incredible alignment from a lived experience. And

I was, it was fun. It was really, really fun for me just to listen to you go and your fielded questions about blue light or honoring circadian rhythm or different health practices. So I applaud you for that, but how did you come to be so knowledgeable and so fluent be able to access these details about health, wellness, human dynamics, functionality?

Where did that come from?

Detective Ev (01:58.474)
Sure. And it's interesting because in all of our time hanging out, I mean, we've talked a lot about your story because I've interviewed you, right? But and I come to your speeches and stuff. I listen at the conferences, but I don't know if we've really ever flipped it to the other side. So I don't mean this humbly. I mean, this actually quite seriously. Anyone that talks to me for any extended period of time, I am not the most knowledgeable person in this space. The knowledge came from this desire that was admittedly very selfish in the beginning, not a negative selfish, but I wanted to get better. I never asked to be in the health space.

Freddie Kimmel (02:04.557)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (02:13.068)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (02:28.186)
I didn't want to do this. I always make a joke. Some people can judge this. It's just the truth. If I never had health issues, I probably would have done real estate or been a lawyer or something. I would have went somewhere that I could chase success. Thankfully, that's more balanced now because of these experiences in life, but that's just who I am. I would have done it for fun, tried to make some money. And so when I had these health issues, it got so bad at a point that I realized if I don't figure this out, no one else is figuring this out.

And it's a weird experience because that was already happening at 18 years hold at this time that I'm registering. This is not working and it was scary. And I know my gosh, you've been through plenty of stuff. That's quite scary. Especially when you come to this conclusion that I need to take responsibility for this and at least some capacity. Otherwise I might not make it out of this. And my point in answering that way is saying that the knowledge really came from this realization that if I wanted to live a normal and productive life, I needed to figure out my own health stuff, health stuff.

So I started researching solely to figure out what is wrong with me, what's going on here. And admittedly, a lot of my knowledge, at least at the time of recording this, I'm becoming kind of reignited with this for a different reason recently, but up until now, all the knowledge that I have was just what I needed to get better. So anything that you think is cool, that's where it caps out because that's what helped me and also my mom, my mom was very sick and so I wanted to learn stuff for her as well. But the second we got us better,

the desire and the obsession, these seven, eight hours of studying a day, that died down. And other people have had that experience, they've expressed that to me in this space. It doesn't have to be that way. You can still engage with it long-term, but yeah, it was really this idea that if I don't figure this out, my life is not going to be good in any way. I need to learn this stuff.

Freddie Kimmel (04:09.374)
Yeah. How old were you when you first had a realization that your health was out of alignment or there was something off or an imbalance?

Detective Ev (04:20.866)
Yeah. So the health symptoms started at five. I don't think I recognized then that it was so much different than everyone else's. I think what happened, Freddy, around 14, 15 years old. And I know I'm jumping a little bit, but the first symptoms at five, I'll put it this way, where I actually had panic attacks about once or twice a month. Really weird. I didn't have any trauma at that time that I'm aware of. And I've tried to investigate that. I still don't know of anything. I had a really good family and life actually. So it's kind of strange to be dealing with that stuff then.

I was also getting these migraines and I'd get these very bad stomach pains, but all of this only added up to a couple of days per month. Rest of the time, I'm a really happy kid making jokes for people, nice person, like everything was good. And so really it was those symptoms that started getting worse and worse. And to the time that I got into middle school, again, maybe 14, 15 years old, late middle school, that's when the symptoms became so bad, especially the mental health stuff, panic attacks were now daily.

I didn't know these diagnoses back then. It was later that I got the diagnosis, but generalized anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, all these things were kicking in and piling on top of each other. I didn't even really know what mental health was that wasn't defined in that way. I'm 27 now, so this was 13, 14 years ago. It was different, man. We didn't treat mental health the same way, that's for sure. We didn't treat it the same way five years ago.

But you didn't talk about these things as much in school. I think I had like one suicide speaker when I was in high school, that was it, one time. And so I didn't even think I knew it was mental health per se, but I was painfully aware that I am different than the people around me and that I'm experiencing things differently than the people around me. And that's when, again, whether I recognize that as a health problem, I'm not sure, but I did identify, okay, Evan Trantz who is weird. I said, Evan Trantz who is crazy. These are things I said to myself.

are about myself and that's a whole issue in and of itself, right? But that was probably the age where I realized, okay, not everyone's dealing with this. This thing that I now know is a panic attack. I didn't know what to call it back then. I didn't know what it was. And I saw that there's no way other people are dealing with this because I can't hide it when it happens. So it was around that age.

Freddie Kimmel (06:26.994)
Yeah. So if you were to give context to somebody that might listen to this, that is a 14 or 15 year old, and you said, Evan Trantz who is different, he experiences the world differently. What did that feel like for you in that time? I'm imagining myself walking around in 14 or 15, goodness, high school is hard enough without experiencing anxiety or hyper-depressive thoughts. So if you would.

Detective Ev (06:55.93)
Yeah, I think you start trying to figure it out, right? So you're like, okay, why am I different? Is it good or is it bad? Because you could say someone who is six, five, super athletic that can dunk a basketball in middle school, well, they're certainly different, but that's a very positive difference. You probably have great prospects in your future of going and playing in the NBA or college basketball, getting a scholarship. So that's pretty cool. So I think what happens is first you start trying to identify is this difference an inherent flaw?

Is this difference bad? Is this difference otherwise good? And I'm just experiencing it as something negative right now. And unfortunately I took the option that said, Oh, this difference is bad. And I thought it was unfixable. And so it was very isolating in terms of the relationships that I had. And thank God I did still have good friends, but we weren't making good decisions. I know this is a stereotypical type of story, but

I was the last person in my friend group to ever use a drug, including weed, including alcohol. I was actually a very straight edge kid by default. I wasn't afraid to speak my mind. I was just as opinionated back then as I am now. And I wouldn't have been afraid to say, oh no, smoking weed is not cool, man. Drinking alcohol is not cool. I'm not hanging out with you if you're doing that. But the depression in particular, not even just the anxiety, the depression, that broke me down. That just stripped me.

Freddie Kimmel (08:11.758)
Mmm.

Detective Ev (08:12.97)
of who I was at my core, it made me shy, it made me soft spoken. Nothing inherently wrong with those things, by the way, but that's not me. So if it's not me, then it is wrong. It's wrong forever, that's for sure. And I just started becoming a follower. I did what other people were doing. And so yes, I'm the last person in my friend group to do these things, but I see, okay, I'm different. It's a bad different. What's the point of all this anyway? I might as well hide this. I don't think it was that logical, but that's what was happening. And so I start using the drugs.

And now I created a new identity for myself that did fit in. I'm the stoner kid. I'm the kid that breaks all the rules and does stupid stuff and can get attention in that way. So now I had my new identity. I didn't have to be unique and weird anymore. I didn't have to let anyone know that the truth of the matter is I didn't want to be smoking weed all day, every day. I didn't want to be selling pot. I didn't want to be taking Xanax recreationally and trying to be cool like that. I was hiding all this stuff and living someone else's life that didn't even exist.

so that I could fit in with an identity that wasn't an ideal one, but it's certainly better than being unique in a crazy way or a severely different way that's not favorable. You know, that's what I did. So I wanna give something positive there too. My advice, you know, maybe even though you didn't directly ask that to someone that's experiencing that difference would be, I don't really think there's a huge thing such as a bad difference. I think you haven't identified how to use it yet in its positive light.

And yes, I had a bunch of health issues. I had a bunch of mental health stuff. Some of that came from being a thinker. I'm not the most athletic guy. I got a good brain. And I was thinking about a lot of things that people might not have been thinking about at that age. And that was freaking me out and making conditions that I otherwise would have had even worse. I was exacerbating the symptoms. And so when you can look at the things that make you unique and then identify the positives in them, because I swear on my life, this is not motivational speaker rev coming out.

or self-help, right? There is positives to everything in life, no matter what happens. When you find that, then you can use it to your advantage. And one of my advantages was Freddie, another very smart guy, we can go and study things online and read books and read scientific studies without having to really go to college for this specific type of stuff. That's a gift. It wasn't a curse. I just saw it that way at a time. It was a gift to be able to not go to college and learn all these cool scientific terms and be able to recite them accurately for people. So...

Detective Ev (10:32.814)
in that uniqueness, in that specialness, realize it's not gonna matter. It's not gonna be as bad once you're post high school. That's for sure. High school just sucks, and middle school sucks for a lot of us. And then try to see where's the gift in this in this kind of bad thing that I'm seeing right now.

Freddie Kimmel (10:33.07)
I think that maybe if you have such a good realize, it's not going to matter, it's not going to be a bad one, just go tight, four-byte, four-by

Detective Ev (10:52.742)
Yeah, and I won't go too long into this I could do a whole podcast on it, but thanks for asking so What happened is the drug started 15 years old? The I went from the last person in the friend group Like I said to try it to the one with the biggest problem within a couple of months It was very rapid and so now it became this again months before a kid who would have yelled at you For drinking alcohol or smoking weed, so that's all we're doing all day long and now it became

an abuse of drugs that no one in the friend groups was doing. I already mentioned Xanax, no one in my friend group was doing that. That was me. I'm getting this online from like the Silk Road and stuff when that was a thing. I was 15, 16 years old. You know, I had to go to CVS to send this money order to someone in California who would add money to the Bitcoin wallet so you could buy this crap online and you don't know what you're getting. I mean, it was insane thinking back for someone who just proclaimed to be smart, especially, right? You know, like it doesn't seem so smart when you're doing stuff like that. But...

The drugs added up and added up and added up. And I always say for a lot of people, not everyone, can't speak for everyone, drugs I found are rarely the problem for people. They're a piss poor solution to another problem or a set of problems that haven't been solved yet. And the issue with them is it's a temporary fix. So truth of the matter is, Freddie, I don't think anyone would do drugs if they didn't work for a period of time. If I smoked weed for the first time and it didn't work, well, why the hell would I pick it up again?

It did work. It distracted me. It gave me that dopamine hit. It made me feel good. It distracted me from all the things that were going on in my life. And it made me refit in with all the friends that I had fit in with since I was nine years old. I'm back part of the circle. I'm not the weird one yelling at all these guys for doing this kind of stuff. I'm comfortable again to some degree, but anything that comes easy goes easy. And so all those drugs, they have that trade off that everyone that's an adult has heard these stories and is aware of this. Now the stress is coming from the drugs.

Now the stress is coming from the fact that I can't afford these habits anymore. So I'm selling drugs myself to support it. I never wanted to do that. I was a straight edge nerd and now I'm selling drugs to support the habit. What happened, Freddie, is over that roughly two and a half, three year period of daily drug abuse, my mind just went to another place, man. And this is never an excuse. I always say that an explanation is not a justification. I'm not justifying any of my actions. But

Detective Ev (13:16.666)
It's fair to explain it in this way because this is really how it happened. The drugs made it worse. The depression got more severe. And there was this very odd period for the last like two months before this rock bottom moment where I almost knew something was going to snap, but I was chained into the habits I had created for myself. So when I smoked weed, didn't really work anymore. Did nothing for me. It almost felt like I was zoning out and I just had these paranoid thoughts.

Freddie Kimmel (13:32.643)
Hmm.

Detective Ev (13:42.778)
Alcohol, I never really liked that, but I was kind of drinking that more to, you know, just get something new. Xanax was super sketchy, man. I wouldn't remember what I did for the entire night. I'm like driving home, have no idea how I got there. I'm like, how did I get past my parents in this state? These are good people. These are attentive parents that love me very much and are very nice people. And I don't know what I said that would have gotten me by them at night when I came home. And so I know something's gonna snap. I don't know what it is. And basically we got close to my 18th birthday. I'm a September birthday by coincidence.

And what happened is I knew my 18th birthday was coming up in the school year. And this other kid had turned 18 and he was selling weed and they waited until he turned 18 to arrest him because they wanted to get a bigger case and they wanted to make sure that he would rat out people, he would be scared, they threatened his future, right? And so I got smart and said, okay, they're probably, I mean, who knows, they're probably waiting for me too. So I said, I'm gonna stop everything. I'm gonna quit the weed, quit the Xanax, stop selling stuff, I'm done, today's it.

Freddie Kimmel (14:25.418)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (14:40.658)
But I wasn't ready to cope with all the stress that was building up over those years that I had no idea how to deal with before, let alone without drugs. So ironically, it was quitting the drugs that set me over the edge. I lost my mind. I within 36 hours of being sober for the first time in two years, I got into a very serious incident that involved threats involved a weapon. It wasn't a gun, but it involved a weapon.

And I got arrested. I got kicked out of school. I got sent to a juvenile detention facility. And in the 30 second decision, I went from former straight edge nerd, teacher's pet when I was a kid to bam, you're not coming back here. And I'm in the system now. Like you're going to go to juvenile detention facility. Okay. I spent my 18th birthday on house arrest because of this. They did let me out to be on house arrest. They didn't think that I needed to be in there, but I certainly wasn't gonna be free. And I continued to use drugs.

Freddie Kimmel (15:12.277)
Mm.

Detective Ev (15:39.574)
I had people sneaking it to my parents' house at three in the morning when they were asleep while I was on house arrest. So I went right back to the thing that I taught myself works really well for stress, which was drugs. And now, a worst case scenario, because remember, I've actually stopped for a week because I've been locked up, I was trying to quit. The drugs are hitting me better than ever before. It's like, it's the worst thing for someone who's abusing substances, because now you quit, you lowered the tolerance for a little bit. It's like the first time again, worst thing that could have happened. And so I'm living this double life still.

Freddie Kimmel (16:07.904)
Hmm.

Detective Ev (16:09.002)
One day I act like my parents like, oh, hey, I'm trying to get better. I'm trying to do all this stuff. And the very same day I'm going out and using drugs at three in the morning. It was crazy. I get onto probation, get off house arrest, somehow get away with this long enough to figure this out. And a few months goes by and we get to New Year's Eve. Now I'm 18, so technically speaking, I'm an adult that can do what he wants.

Freddie Kimmel (16:17.834)
Mmm.

Detective Ev (16:32.67)
but I'm also on probation. I live under my parents' roof and I do love them despite what I'm doing. Like I'm not trying to disrespect them. I'm hurting myself worse than anyone else. And so I come up with this convincing story that, hey, I would love to be allowed out on New Year's, but I know you guys aren't dumb. I'm not planning on doing anything stupid. I know you guys are going out. I'll literally get picked up. I just want to see my friends. I'm not planning on drinking or doing drugs. Just want to see my friends. And so they thought that was compelling. They're like, well, if he's letting us pick him up, that makes perfect sense. And he looks like he's doing good. That's what they thought. So I get dropped off on that New Year's Eve.

And it's kind of ironic looking back because New Year's Eve would be a time that people set resolutions, right? So it's a hell of a time to hit a rock bottom. I go out that night and I'm drinking and smoking, taking stuff just like I always did. Well, I had this girlfriend at the time who I won't mention her name out of respect. And I'd been dating her for about four or five years. I don't know if anyone else had someone that they like really cared about in high school. Maybe it was the first person they ever loved. That's a special thing, man, right? It's a very powerful emotion. It hits you a lot differently.

Freddie Kimmel (17:07.671)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (17:30.822)
than even future relationships. It's very strange. Even if you know it's not meant to be, it's still a very strange imprint on your memory and your brain. And I convinced her to do a lot of the same things I was doing that night. Well, she didn't do that stuff. She was about five feet, not five pounds, five feet, a hundred pounds soaking wet. It was a little obvious that something was wrong with her. I'll put it that way. So we get picked up at 12 o'clock, just like I agreed to with my parents.

I get in the car, I had the unimpressive skill of being able to hide this stuff, so I'm cool. My girlfriend did not. She wasn't able to hide that so well. About 30 seconds into the car ride, Freddie, she repeats a full sentence, almost word for word, to my mom and dad, as if she hadn't just said it 10 seconds ago. I look across the seat at her, like, are you kidding me? I'm like, yo, shut up, what are you doing? Be quiet, I got this, you stop talking. Not to mention she was the most introverted person in the world normally, and she looked...

Like she was a celebrity with the extraversion she had. Like, oh my God, like it was so obvious something was wrong with her. My parents lost their minds when they heard that second sentence and realized that we actually got in the car like this. Well, I thought it was we, I'll explain. They slam on the brakes, my dad slams on the brakes, stop the car in the middle of the highway. They are turning around and screaming at the top of their lungs at my girlfriend.

Freddie Kimmel (18:30.018)
So obvious. Yeah.

Detective Ev (18:53.962)
And I don't know if any of you grew up with siblings and maybe like your sibling gets in trouble and you're getting in trouble with them. So like one gets it first, the other one gets it next. I have a younger sister that happens sometimes. Nothing happened to me though. I thought it was gonna be like that. Nothing happened to me. They just yelled at my girlfriend and I'm confused wondering what the hell's going on. And at some point it hit me during this interaction that they were having, if we can call it that. Oh, my parents raised me better than this. So they don't even believe, I don't think they wanted to believe.

Freddie Kimmel (19:08.184)
Hmm.

Detective Ev (19:23.454)
that I could be so dumb as to get into their car, drunk and high on New Year's Eve on probation when I agreed to have them pick me up. Again, I don't think they wanted to believe that. That's a special type of stupid. It was so stupid, it wasn't obvious. They thought it was this girlfriend. They're screaming at her, man. She's crying. It's bad. We get home, very awkward silence once they're done yelling, and we get upstairs, and this is what-

the moment is. So I promise I'm building something here. We get upstairs and I have two choices. Because during the rest of that car ride, I started to get some self-awareness back. I just wasn't fully there yet. And the self-awareness I was starting to have in that silence is, wow, this person really doesn't deserve this. Wow, this person has had my back through some of the worst times of my life. This girl was so, not that this is saying much, but this girl was so far out of my league. It wasn't even funny. You know, could have dated any guys she wanted to in high school.

And yet here she is sticking with me for the last four or five years as I'm going through absolute hell and never telling her what's actually happening. I just project onto her with anger and other excuses. I never tell her what I'm dealing with. And so I got two choices when I get home. I can finally admit all this stuff. Let this person know that I love her. I've never said I love you out loud in four years of dating her. Say all these things that I'm thinking. But but the thoughts were too new. There's too fresh and I was so emotionally disconnected. I was scared to be vulnerable.

Like that, right? You and I have talked about that before. Vulnerability is now one of our biggest assets. Before it was one of my biggest liabilities. Lack thereof, that is, a vulnerability. So I didn't want to tell her I loved her. I'm like, that's weak. I don't want her to see that part. So my bright idea instead was when we get home, I'll start yelling at her and blaming her for getting caught tonight. Now, there's nothing physical, just to be clear. I thankfully don't have it in me to do that. But you can still hurt someone pretty bad verbally, man. And I said some things to her you don't say to people, let alone someone that you love.

Freddie Kimmel (21:11.33)
Hmm.

Detective Ev (21:17.238)
And that girl sat there crying for probably an hour before we both passed out, went to bed. I wake up in the morning, she had already left, I was not like her at all. And I'm sober now. So that self-awareness is coming back, but with a sober lens, so it's good. And I'm realizing, dude, we need to fix this right away. Like you gotta tell her all this stuff. Tell her that you love her for God's sake. Tell her that you're sorry, tell her that you recognize what she's done in your life and how much she's at your back with all this stuff.

Like, yes, apologize, but start with that. And so I grabbed the phone and I go to call her. Phone rings a bunch of times, goes to voicemail. Okay, whatever, I figure she's sleeping, whatever. Wait about 10 minutes, call again, phone rings a bunch of times, goes to voicemail. After about the 10th call within an hour, I started to get the idea. This was not like the other fights. This wasn't where she gets ticked off for 30 minutes, comes back and everything's fine.

I was literally one night too late. What she was telling me is, dude, you're never getting an answer from me again. I don't want you in my life. I don't want to do this. I deserve better than this. And she was correct. And so that moment was actually, believe it or not, out of all the things, Freddie, that was the rock bottom. That's what I call my aha moment of juvie, house arrest, kicked out of school, the social humiliation that came with that, all the mental health stuff and the drugs.

Freddie Kimmel (22:22.074)
Mm.

Freddie Kimmel (22:28.564)
Mm.

Detective Ev (22:43.126)
That was either the final straw or just the most powerful thing. That's what that teenage love can do, I guess, right? It hit me like a ton of bricks. And I realized if I do not get help for whatever the hell this is, this is never getting better. And it's no longer a battle between Evan Trance who in his mind it is Evan Trance who and every single other person in my life. I'm affecting her. I'm affecting my parents. I'm affecting my friends and I'm affecting my family.

Freddie Kimmel (22:47.868)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (23:10.942)
This isn't just me anymore. So if I can't get help for me, I gotta get help for these people that I care about. And I was ready to make a change. I knew something had to be different and I spent maybe three days before I finally got into a counselor's office. So mind you, this is on New Year's Day that I'm having this revelation. So I went into the counselor's place as soon as I possibly could. And I went in thinking that I was crazy. That's what I told myself for the last 10 years. He told me I was not crazy. He couldn't diagnose things. He's a counselor, but he said, what you're describing sounds like

panic disorder, major depressive disorder, and some type of anxiety disorder. That's outside of panic disorder. I'm like, okay, these things have names? I didn't know that, no one's ever told me that. And he's like, yeah, man, these are fairly treatable conditions. You know, like you're using the substances to cope with this, these are treatable conditions. I never knew that. And so my whole thing now for people to just know is, aha moments are great, they make for really cool stories.

For every one person like me though, I've estimated there's about 50 to 100 that the aha moment's not so pretty. Sometimes it's a lot more severe consequences. Sometimes they don't get an aha moment at all. I had a best friend I grew up with, he passed away five years ago from a drug overdose. Where's his aha moment, right? You know, he either didn't listen to one or he didn't get one. I'll never know that answer. So what I always encourage people to do is for 99% of people, maybe you don't resonate with my story at all, you're like, hey kid, thanks for coming on and sharing, that's great. That 1%...

Freddie Kimmel (24:25.083)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (24:37.906)
that for whatever reason this resonated perfectly with you, maybe we make today the aha moment for you, for whatever it is, and you don't wait for the other stuff to happen. Don't ruin a relationship that can be for the rest of your life. Don't ruin trust and otherwise platonic relationships and family relationships that you have in your life. Do what you need to do today. I think we actually kind of always know what we need to do. It's just sometimes we need that little kick in the butt to have that honesty with ourselves. So I promise that will be my longest-winded answer, but.

Freddie Kimmel (25:02.25)
little kick in the butt to have that honesty with myself. So I promise that will be my longest-winded answer, but yeah, that's kind of, that was one of the most powerful and pivotal moments.

Detective Ev (25:07.254)
Um, yeah, that's kind of, that was one of the most powerful and pivotal moments I've ever had in my life in terms of, okay, this is what life was like before that day, this is what life is like.

Freddie Kimmel (25:17.746)
Yeah, there's a couple things I want to unpack in there. Number one, every time I hear somebody recounting an experience, especially through our young adult years, I'm amazed that we make it through being teenagers because there are so many landmines and it's not in your parents' control. There's a time when the onslaught of information and decisions and options we can choose

You know, you're lucky. You're lucky if you get through it. And it's just, you have one of those storybook childhoods. And I just have such, again, just such empathy and humility for going through the human condition. And those high school years are the most challenging. I have many. I had a moment this morning where, have you ever had a moment where you, it's like you watch something happen and you're like, wow, that could go both. My life could have gone to dramatically different.

directions in this one moment. There's hundreds of them to allow me to be here and be engaged in a purpose-driven mission. I think we heard that a lot of times in your story, not everyone is so lucky. I want to ask you one funny question. Have you ever gone back and considered the amount of Bitcoin BTC that you spent on the Silk Road in its infancy and figured out?

Detective Ev (26:16.81)
100% right now.

Freddie Kimmel (26:45.092)
how many hundreds of millions of dollars you would have today.

Detective Ev (26:48.902)
I have done that and I didn't, like you have to understand how cheap things were back then and how easy it was to get, but no, at its peak, I would have had around three to $400,000 in Bitcoin. Yeah, so, and I know, Freddie, that there is 0.6 Bitcoin sitting out there somewhere confiscated by the government because it was on my Silk Road wallet. So that's what, that's called karma, my friend. Knowing that at one time there was, you know,

Freddie Kimmel (27:00.798)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (27:15.654)
whatever that equates to probably $50,000 at one point, just sitting there on a wallet from bad decisions could have had it. But you know, I was buying them for like $15 a pop back then they were 15 freaking dollars a pop.

Freddie Kimmel (27:26.758)
Yeah, yeah, it's certainly an incredible stat to think about. Well, it's, you know, again, it's everything is energy. So it's just different waves of consciousness and expression. For me, it's just fascinating to think about. BTC definitely harnesses an area of interest in my brain. Have you ever connected with a young woman and made reparations or repaired that relationship?

Detective Ev (27:31.656)
It is what it is, sir.

Detective Ev (27:54.126)
I say, this comes up all the time, especially if I'm speaking in schools, the answer is yes and no. Yes to the degree that I apologized, and as far as I know, she accepted it. And unfortunately, that really one of the only times we've seen each other in the last nine years is that mutual friend, that friend that I had from childhood that passed away, we all were in the same neighborhood together from like freaking 13 to 18, like we were tight as can be. So she was at the funeral. And of course there's just, I mean, man, we could have been on bad terms and we still would have connected there. There's a time and place to leave your.

crap in the past. And there's a time and place to just focus on what's going on. And it was a sad thing. So my point in saying that is like, yes, I think she a hundred percent knows and believes that there's huge differences in my life and that I'm genuinely sorry and that, you know, we're good. But there's also this other side of, you can hurt someone so bad through so many actions that it's like, okay, we're good, but this doesn't mean we're hanging out. This doesn't mean we're...

you know, friends on social media, this doesn't mean that we're gonna go out of our way to be in the same circles. And I get that. I think interestingly, and this is what's always fascinating about this, the high school loves stuff, especially these people, you know, if I share my story, they'll talk to me about this. A lot of people have these kinds of situations in one way or another. You know, long-term that that's not the ideal person for you and vice versa. I'm not the ideal person for them. You're in high school. You don't even know who the hell you are, right? So you end up...

branching off into different types of people that are really not compatible. But there's still such an emotionally powerful trigger that's there, right? I don't know if I'd want to see this person in person not out of disrespect, but just because it boom It could come back and I just hit you like a ton of bricks. So that's always something to work on too. You could work through that but I just like the answer is yes, but it's also no in the sense It's not reprimanded like you would say a friend

You know, you had a fight with them and you fix things and hey, no, we're still cool, man We see each other. It's it's not like that. And that's Something that I think affects young people a little bit more It's more powerful when I share the story to like a high schooler I'm like there are real consequences when you treat people badly guys So like whether it's bullying relationships or whatever like be careful Be careful what you say to people and what you do like you can say sorry and you can mean it and they can believe it That doesn't mean you're going to be buddy afterwards. So, um, we only get so many great people in our life So be careful what we do

Freddie Kimmel (30:15.71)
Yeah. It's wild to think about. And I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on, is there free will? You know, I listen to your story, Evan, and I think about the myriad of different events and decisions that added up to your rocky time. It's many out of your control.

know, here you are this spirit embodying a physical body. If we, if we come to that shared belief system and there's, there's so much that drove you to that moment, you know, whether we want to put it on the wheel of good or bad. Um, what's, what's your view on that?

Detective Ev (30:58.074)
Okay, so I decided this why I love talking to members we can mix the there's a lot of people like this in our space, right? That they can mix the science with this more philosophical fun. Let's experiment with the theoretical. It's such a cool mix So I love the question. I will answer in my unbiased way and then admit my bias So my bias is now I'm a born-again Christian and I of course think we have free will otherwise this existence makes no sense To a born-again Christian now. I'm also someone who was an atheist a lot of his life so I can see both sides I'm not dogmatic on either side

Freddie Kimmel (31:07.808)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (31:26.846)
So let's take the pre-Khristianov and see what he would have said. I don't know. I don't know because when I look back on some of this stuff and I try to rationalize it, like I have thought about these things and I look at that day in particular when I was really early on into my senior year of high school and I stopped using the drugs and I did what I did that got me in trouble, Freddie, I swear on my mother's life, I did not consciously make the decision to be violent that day or to engage in that act.

but you can't let people like me at that time be running around in the streets. I was dangerous, man. And so then the question is, it goes even further. It's like, well, if there's no free will, how do we handle this? Because you can't have people running around being violent. If I did what I did 13 days later in my life and I was 18, I would be a felon. I would have a felony on my thing. I would have been in jail for probably a year. I got right through that for 13 days difference because I was 17 and I did it as a juvenile, not as an adult.

So then you're like, well, what the hell's that? Right, 13 days, that's the biggest difference. What if I had that bad 13 days later, or a bad day 13 days later? I don't know. I believe there's free will, I guess, and possibly I even believed that before, because I know I originally answered with I don't know, but if you had asked me back then and pressed me, like, have you have to come up with an answer, I would have said yes, but life's not fair, and so we wanna believe that there's not. Like, I still made choices to do drugs. They were conscious choices at the time.

Freddie Kimmel (32:30.338)
Hmm

Detective Ev (32:56.154)
Now you might say, well, Ev, of course you're in more of a position to use drugs. Look at what you were going through. And to that, I would say, fair enough. I'm more likely to use drugs than someone that had everything going perfectly for them. But that's not the world. So I think, yeah, there's free will, but life isn't fair. And I think that's why we almost come to this idea of even asking a question like that. Like, oh, well, maybe there's no free will. And that explains all the unfairness. It's like, no, I think there's probably free will and it just, it sucks that it's not fair. And then you wonder where does fate come in and all this.

Freddie Kimmel (33:15.352)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (33:24.458)
Because you look at this story and, oh my god, bless you, man, your story. There's so many things that have to happen so perfectly for you to be doing the work that you're doing now, for me to be doing the work that I'm doing now. Who the hell are we? And you're like, is this pure luck? Is this part of me making good decisions? Is it a mix of luck and good decisions? Was it fate? Were we chosen? I don't know, I have no idea. I think about that frequently.

Freddie Kimmel (33:51.102)
Yeah. Well, I love a couple of truths in that none of us, you know, in these hundred years are ever going to know, no one. I find it fascinating that there is this like incredible spectrum of both like abundance and extreme hardship, wealth and extreme poverty. There's a lot of people in the middle of the bell curve and then there's extreme outliers.

And it's like, we really do get this concert, this full spectrum of the human experience in which it's incredible and it's differences. But what I do like, and the phrase I find a lot of comfort in, spiritual comfort, is that life isn't fair for anybody, which makes it fair for everybody. And there is that we share that commonality. It's like, we don't know, nobody knows what tomorrow is bringing.

And it's interesting too, I, again, it's a thought experiment. You know, there's no answer other than what you feel into. And there is this sense that we are all riding the waves. We can all improve that skill to which we navigate the storms and rough seas and no seas. But we don't know what the tide brings, never. So we just, I think.

we continue to develop the skill set. How do I be a better human being? You know, what are the things that make me feel good? What are the things that bring me into alignment? I can tell you that the pursuit of my own joy is very, that can be limiting, but maybe sometimes there's, when you have a role of a bigger service, a bigger purpose that from personally has added.

more joy when I'm inside. I will often do something for someone else or a group or a subset of people who I find underserved adds a lot of value. So yeah, it's wild. It's wild to think about. And I think for me, I try to come up with principles, like guiding principles that they're like, oh, well, this really fits in this box. But rules, dogmatic rules, it doesn't work because we just heard your story.

Freddie Kimmel (36:11.402)
Man, the variables in that story are just incredible to me. One more thing I want to, is there anything you wanna add to that? Comes up for you.

Detective Ev (36:24.302)
No, I just I love your openness because for those that don't know Freddie in person He really is like this in person like you could tell him you're any spirituality any political affiliation He just you are a thinker right like you're listening taking it all in you see how that person Um had could come to those conclusions and perhaps part of that's just been you've been humbled by life, man Right like you have there's just bigger things to worry about than someone's opinion on stuff Like you're not going to be the person going after someone. Um, but you know, I don't know that I have

Freddie Kimmel (36:43.819)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (36:47.627)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (36:52.634)
anything in particular to add to it other than I do think about these things. Uh, it doesn't bother me per se, but it is, I'll go back to that word. It's humbling. It is humbling to know that how many things shifted just in the right direction for things to go right. But then also humbling in the sense that, you know, wow, my gosh, just as many things have shifted just bad enough to go wrong and how many people are set up with very unfair opportunities in life. And I'm very neutral.

politically, you know, some people depending on the day might think I'm on one side or the other. I'm really not. I really wish we were in a world where there was more equality of opportunity. I love what Jordan Peterson says. He says he despises equality of outcome. He loves equality of opportunity. I think that's really fantastic. But then the question is, is there ever really equality of opportunity? For example, we know there's a hundred percent direct correlation between IQ and income life.

expectancy, overall success, marriage rates. And then after about 120 IQ, which puts you in like the 90th percentile, it doesn't really do anything for income, which is kind of an interesting phenomenon. But you take someone like you, for example, I mean, I'm not an IQ test administrator, but I've cited it enough, there is no way you are not in the 90th percentile plus of IQ, so that's unfair. Like you have a clearly marked advantage towards income, life success, and being able to figure out these problems.

Freddie Kimmel (38:17.194)
Hmm

Detective Ev (38:17.99)
You know, we tell our health stories, Freddie, and then sometimes I think what's taken for granted is the complexity. Like, dude, you had different diseases. I had seven different conditions and we figured it out and we're not doctors. That's you got to think for that. And this is not me tooting our own horns. If anything, it's the opposite. I didn't do anything to deserve that. Like, that's just something that I was given to be able to think through these things. So.

Freddie Kimmel (38:28.479)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (38:42.33)
I could spend all day on it, I guess. So I'll stop myself there because we could do an entire podcast on these choices and the variables that come up. But I want to strive for a society where as close as we can get to equality of opportunity, that would be a wonderful thing. That would be a good thing.

Freddie Kimmel (38:57.174)
Mm hmm. Yeah, I would agree. It's such an interesting field of discussion. It's just so wild. And I think it's, yeah, certainly to this idea, I'm very activated when people say fair, or the idea that it should be fair. Or sometimes when people will say, Oh, you need to, you know, all you need to do is heal is just is be, you know,

be in alignment with nature. And I was like, nature is brutal. Nature is brutal. There's an Instagram handle called, I think it's called Nature is Metal. And it's just like why it's like cute little fuzzy things killing other fuzzy things. And it's brutal. And I think that because we're so intellectualized and you know, how we pass down information through storytelling.

Detective Ev (39:31.23)
You ever seen a tiger?

Freddie Kimmel (39:52.65)
You know, our stories, there's like this element of it being fair or it being right or it being just. But I don't see that mimicked in life anywhere. So it's something but as a child, you hold on to that. You're like, well, where's the storybook? Where's, where's my comeuppance? Where's my, my moment of, you know, I think back to your, I wanted to loop around to this because I do think there's an aha moment. It might not come for that human being.

It often comes to the periphery in the circle. You know, I've, you know, 40, 45 years old at this point. I've had many friends that have passed away at very young ages, um, taken their lives, lost their lives in tragic accidents. And it comes for the, it comes for the family. It comes for the periphery. Um, and, and people are left to wrestle with the life decisions of another person alone, which is just.

Oh, super. That's another level of pain and suffering. So I say all that to say, I'm so glad you made it through. It's just, yeah, I'm so glad you made it through. And I know there are parents listening to this on the edge of their seats because I know what's going on in the world. I see it's a very challenging place to navigate. It would seem in some aspects more than ever before.

Detective Ev (40:59.923)
Me too, my friend.

Freddie Kimmel (41:19.462)
And we certainly need these tools that we're talking about. Better know the body, better know the mind, better know what does it mean to be in balance and how do I cultivate an environment where that is important? You know, it's just, it's paramount. It's like the only, what do you have if you don't have self understanding of your energy and your body and your mental health? Like what else? Everything else is like, it's Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Everything else is another step up the ladder, up the pyramid.

Detective Ev (41:40.937)
Yes, sir.

Detective Ev (41:48.206)
Freddie, if before we go to whatever the next thing is or conclude, I've got to add in one thing only because I know you and I know this and I feel like this is probably a very advanced audience but I don't want them to misinterpret it. Yes, life's unfair. Freddie and I are fully acknowledging that. There's also, no matter what card you're given, there's that saying, right? It's not the hand that you're dealt it's how you play the cards. Okay, I don't think that's perfectly fair. It's not to say that everyone can come out with the same playing field and end up with the same results. However, no matter what you've been given,

At some point you have to accept that personal responsibility for the things that aren't your fault is probably your best chance at success in anything Because what did happen at 18 is I also got into a personal development group It was like a network marketing type of company whatever they're huge on the personal development side And I was given three books compound effect by darren hardy 10x rule by grand cardone thinking go rich by napoleon hill My mentor said you're going to read these things. I said I don't read books. You're going to read these Okay, so I pick up the compound effect and I realized oh there's habits

There's choices. I can decide certain things in my life. So as unfair as it is, the person who had the worst circumstances ever, but takes responsibility for their life, I genuinely believe genuinely will almost always given enough time, end up with better outcomes than the person who started with everything, but does not take personal responsibility for a damn thing in their life. And that's the rich kid syndrome that we've all seen, right? The kid grows up getting a freaking, you know, BMW for their 16th birthday and they end up in jail.

Freddie Kimmel (43:11.042)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (43:16.21)
by 20 years old. Now, that's not to say if that person also didn't take personal responsibility, they would soar past someone who grew up in the projects, definitely agree with that. But personal responsibility is a big enough tool that it can take someone who grew up in poverty and fly them by someone who grew up with riches that fails or refuses to take personal responsibility for their self. So yes, life's unfair, but one way it's extremely fair is that we all have the choice to take responsibility for the things that are in our fault. And when I started doing that, life got a lot different very quickly.

Freddie Kimmel (43:45.83)
Yeah. I think my book that I would add to that is Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl. We've mentioned this a lot on the podcast, but for those who have not read it, I think it's one of the works that if you're a human being, you need to look at it or at least look at a synapsis, Man's Search for Meeting for Idiots. But it's essentially the account of a Holocaust survivor not allowing someone in a camp to have his joy.

Detective Ev (43:52.307)
Nice, nice.

Freddie Kimmel (44:15.638)
taken away, to have his response taken away. So widening that gap between stimulus and response is really, it's man, it's the power of pause, which yeah, it's funny. I just exercised that a couple of weeks ago. I'm not a left or a right or a political. I don't even know what that means anymore. I do believe in the pursuit of happiness and all these things.

I had done a post and it went really sideways. And so I was trying to manage it. I was trying, it was like, well, that's not been my experience. Or the people's favorite thing to do is post, they're like, do your research and they send you some link to some horrible poll quote on CNN and I was like, oh man, this is not going well. And so eventually I paused, I paused the comments and I stepped away. And

Detective Ev (44:48.628)
I saw it.

Freddie Kimmel (45:11.242)
It was funny, the few people that I would say in my lived experience had narcissistic tendencies continued to message me in the direct message box and say, you must talk, you must engage with me. We need to talk about this. This is awful. And I was like, Hey, I was like, I, the beauty is this is my Saturday. And you know, we haven't talked in 15 years. We have a social media relationship and I, I'm a fan of your pursuit of happiness, but I'm

I'm choosing not to spend my Saturday with you. Because we don't have enough of a shared reality for me to get into this with you. All the social media problems aside, but it was, I could feel myself, how badly I wanted to be drawn in to engage in conflict. Because I'm like, there's a fight to be had here that I really do believe in.

I don't need, my immune system actually needs this energy. My psychic health needs this energy. It was like that power of pause. Again, to go back to some of these principles in these great books, there's gold there if you do open up the book or listen to the audiobook and read. What was another one of your favorite because you mentioned three great works of literature that you picked up maybe from 10X by Grant Cardone?

Such a great book.

Detective Ev (46:34.574)
I have, and again, so this is just sharing my overall perspective, I have slightly different thoughts about some of the methodologies in it now that I have my faith in Christianity. Well, I don't even wanna say Christianity. I have my faith in Christ. It's a little bit different. And there's certain things that I would probably stray away from, but I would also be lying to say that thinking grow rich at a time in my life did not impact me greatly, and that there's not secular lessons there or a religious lessons there that can be taken and applied to anyone.

such as, I mean, it sounds so damn simple, but just set the goal, man. Like if you do not know what you are working towards, whatever it is, a new financial thing, a relationship, whatever, you're hoping for a chance. You're hoping for these little freak things that happen in life that Freddie and I are talking about today. And perhaps they happen in your favor, most likely they won't. So when you set that goal and you're engaging with it constantly, there's something...

Undeniably powerful about that. Maybe there's a spiritual side to it. Maybe there isn't it's not really important to me at this point It has worked so consistently so many times in my life for such specific outcomes. I can't deny it there's something to it and that so that book I must say had a profound impact on the belief that I had in myself and the understanding of Something I already brought up that personal responsibility kind of trumps all

because some of the most successful people of all time have been through the craziest things that you've ever heard of and still came out on top. And what a perfect epitome example for what I was trying to say, Victor Frankl. No one here would argue that what happened to that man or anyone that he was associated with is fair. That's not fair. But the bottom line is sitting there and dwelling in it does not support him. It is not leaving him to the best life. I am sure.

He went through plenty of dwelling at one point being in a fricking concentration camp. I'm sure Nelson Mandela when he was wrongfully imprisoned was dealing with these things. But you just come to a point where no matter what happens, it's just not helping me. This is not serving me. This is not going to make the world better. It's not going to make me better. I got to act like it's my responsibility. My thoughts are my responsibility. My perspectives on it are my responsibility. No matter how bad and evil this is, no matter whose fault it is. So thinking Grich was a big one as well.

Freddie Kimmel (48:32.416)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (48:40.386)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (48:55.71)
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's not that it's probably the top of my list, one of the ones I go to the most. And I do have a little paper copy rolling around in the back of my Jeep. Evan, I want to pivot, I could so easily go down this road, there's so many interesting questions I have about

How, let's just do this one. This is our last one. And then I want to, then I want to get through to keep me honest and looping back around. I want to know some of the things that you did to identify imbalances at your health or levels that were driving the, whether it was a mineral imbalance or the depression or the anxiety before we do, you know, we're in such a unique time of polarization.

you know, it's, it's the left or the right, it's, it's right or wrong, or it's fair. It's like, it's totally the opposite. Oftentimes we'll see people even like Nelson Mandela, who could be celebrated in so many avenues of their life. And they're like, well, you know, there was also this incident, you know, that he had a relationship with this woman in this way, and he was known for this and this. And so people will often look at somebody like that and they'll say, well, he was good, but here's, I'm

discounting all the good that he did because he was flawed in this area of his life. How do you manage that today? Are you able to celebrate the great things someone does and look away from some horrible thing in their life? You know, this happens a lot of times with great artists. They're wonderful creators and then there's like, there is a shadow. How do you deal with that as a human being and still be able to pull value from these people?

Detective Ev (50:36.486)
Yeah, great question. I mean, I'm probably still working on that, right? So I mean, an example, even just going back to the thinking go rich thing, right? So I'll be a little more direct. I, you know, some of that stuff to me is a little, I think you could be doing things spiritually that could open up some things that are probably not so fantastic, but I can still sit here and with my disclaimer on it, still promote the book and say, hey, I learned some great things from this and it's helped me a lot. So I think one thing for me,

that makes it very easy actually to do this a lot of the times, is I know that I turned out okay with all the baggage that I've had. I've been a piece of crap, man. I treated that high school girlfriend like dog crap. It was awful. I treated my family members awfully. I've done some things I'm really not proud of. I can say that this is not a mask today. This has changed behavior from lived experience and different perspectives. That is not Evan Transue anymore.

Perhaps you could say it wasn't really him back then. That's fine. But it definitely is not me now. And so you have to have discernment and there's also a limit on certain things, right? I'm telling you guys, hey, I had a bad argument and I said some bad things. You can probably get over that. If I said I killed someone, is that gonna work? And then, no, I haven't, thank God. But I'm saying there's certain things that draw a line. So I think that's fair to say. You know, I won't bring up specifics, but in the political realm, I've had trouble with that.

because I think we idealize people and we want them to be a certain way, especially when they're world leaders representing us. But we forget that they're humans just like us and they're hyper-flawed just like us. And they're having all of their dirty laundry exposed in front of the entire world. So normally you only have statistics and then when you have a real example, it hurts you. What I mean is like statistics of, we know a bunch of people cheat, right? I've never done that, never would do that. Some people that's in their DNA, they're going to cheat on other people. But then it gets exposed in the celebrity.

Freddie Kimmel (52:11.477)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (52:31.994)
or a president or a governor or a senator or whatever it might be, oh my gosh, worst thing in the world, I would have a hard time trusting you for sure as a politician or a high level representative for sure. If you're willing to do that to someone that you love, how bad would you screw over me? So it all depends on where our subjective lines of, okay, this is too bad, I just can't tolerate anything else now, versus, hey, this is just part of the human experience and being flawed. Where I took it a little too far is,

And again, I won't say specifics, but in the last two elections, I did not vote for any of the main candidates on either side because I just couldn't get behind it. That will change in 2024 as of right now. And it's because I realized that I never wanted to be the lesser of the two evil type of people. To me, it's like, holy crap. Like, I have to, like, dude, this is crazy, you know? So that's my subjective line. For some people, they would refuse to be lesser of two evils forever and they went perfect. I think you might be searching for a while.

Freddie Kimmel (53:11.502)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (53:29.106)
But you could do that and you're entitled to that philosophy. So I'm still working on it in many ways But one-to-one interactions, I've gotten a lot better at it because dude, I'm like, thank god. These people don't judge me I've seen the forgiveness that's been given to me over time I've seen the people that genuinely look at me through a positive lens now despite what I might have done in the past Who the hell am I to look at anyone else in the negative light of what they've done in the past if people have given Me this grace. I can't I'd be the biggest hypocrite out there

Freddie Kimmel (53:56.222)
Yeah, 100%. I think that one of the guiding principles of I talked about in the last few podcasts is just humility, having humility. And really for me, what that does is it pulls away that charge of how could they, how can this be, how could you do that? I'm like, of course. Of course that happened. It's like, you know, the myriad of different choices that you make and your environment makes...

for you. I think the thing that makes it acceptable is just a person owning. Owning when they made a mistake, radical transparency and asking for forgiveness. I think that's really one of the best. I want to pivot Evan, what are obviously you're on here because you are a health detective.

And you work with one of my favorite certification platforms, FDN, functional diagnostic nutrition, which I think is one of the most serviceable education platforms if you really want to get out there and help people. So tell us, what are some of the things you adjusted lifestyle, dietary, if they were movement-wise that changed how you showed up in the world?

Detective Ev (55:20.71)
Yeah, and my answers are fairly straightforward. To some people listening, it might not be the most profound thing. To someone who's never heard this stuff, it's like night and day difference in their experience in this world because they might've never considered these things. The first real low-hanging fruit that I saw quickly, it was super obvious in the functional medicine space, but it was very much not obvious to someone who wasn't in it. My mom and I both have a relatively severe gluten sensitivity that is not celiac and it's not an allergy.

But we do have very strong immune reactions to it as tested by things using that FDN uses but many other people use as well It's not exclusive to us and I saw this my okay I never thought about that because I had changed my diet at that point before going into FDN But I had fallen under a certain dogma where I believed okay if you just ate organic But eat otherwise whatever else you wanted you're fine. So I upped my food bill I still aided whatever I ate whatever I wanted, but it was all organic. Even the snacks were organic and

I can make a great argument that, yes, you're better off doing that than doing the same exact thing and it not being organic, but we know it's way more complex than that as health people, like it's never that simple. And so one of the things I was still doing, I ate plenty of wheat, I ate plenty of gluten, I just ate organic grains. And when I took that out, it took a few weeks, but the brain shifted, the mood shifted, the anchor stopped. It was unbelievable. My skin was clearing up.

Freddie Kimmel (56:24.65)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (56:45.022)
how profound the shifts were from that one thing. Everything else the same. That one thing was huge. Obviously, you know I'm super passionate about light. We have our light therapy studio in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where we literally like red light and stuff like that, other cool light hacks and infrared sauna. And learning about that, specifically the circadian biology side of it, and just getting to bed on time, waking up with the sunrise, getting outside in the morning when that's happening.

making sure your vitamin D levels are proper, which is a fantastic, if you're not supplementing, is a fantastic marker for how well you're doing with your light exposure, generally speaking. Because if you're never out in the middle of the day, of course, you're never gonna get vitamin D, but most people know what I mean. So also, I would also say one of the bigger things, Freddie, was my gut was a mess. And again, some of these things, depending on how long you've been in the industry, almost sound generic or just par for the course, I was sick as hell. I had seven different conditions. I did these quote unquote generic things in the functional medicine space.

I don't meet those seven diagnoses anymore. I do not have the criteria necessary to meet those diagnoses, which is an amazing thing to be able to say. So I worked on the gut stuff. I realized, oh yeah, when you take 20 courses of antibiotics as a kid from five to 18, that's not a great idea. And you trash your gut. I got parasites in there. I got bugs hanging out. They're causing all types of inflammation. I've got to address those. It's something that I did through the FDN system. I had to sleep. I had to get exposed to real light. I had to actually live in...

Freddie Kimmel (57:58.122)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (58:12.03)
congruence with nature to the best of my ability, which sounds funny as I'm doing a video podcast with you with a nice microphone and stuff like that. But yes, you know, we mix in both. We mix in the nature with the modern pleasures. That's the way to do it. I started living more like a human. I did the cold exposure. I did all that stuff. And I, other than the gluten thing and sleep, it's tough to say what the other biggest things were. Those ones I noticed things instantly. I'm like, whoa, my body has craved not eating this food or it has craved going to bed in an appropriate time for years and I didn't realize that.

Freddie Kimmel (58:25.041)
Hmm.

Detective Ev (58:40.922)
Everything else it'd be impossible for me to tell you exactly what percentage those all played in my healing I just know by doing those right things long enough What I really looked for on my journey Freddie and what I'd encourage other people to do Because it can get very tricky sometimes like is this therapy working is that therapy working do them all that's great. Let's let's use the stuff But really what I'm concerned about. Am I making progress consistently, you know last month What I say, I'm you know, two three percent better. Sure. Awesome. Great. Great progress

Next month, two, 3% better, great progress. When you continue that, and you don't really change anything until you stagnate, and then you can add some things on and keep re-experimenting with things. Dude, two, 3% is a lot over a long period of time. And I maybe got 70% better legitimately in the first three months of really taking this stuff seriously. That last 25, 30%, maybe I could even say 25. I perhaps always have some damage from what was done. I don't know. That was several years because it was just those two, 3%.

Freddie Kimmel (59:35.426)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (59:37.278)
coming through every single month or two months. But you keep on that for a while and then you wake up one day and you're like, dude, I couldn't even exercise years ago. I can go do jujitsu, I can go lift weights, I can do pickleball to my guilty pleasure. I do love pickleball. I love playing apparently with senior citizens. At least I do the jujitsu side, right? That makes it cool again. So everyone lets me play pickleball as long as they know I do other stuff too. But I'm like, dude, you couldn't even lift weights without feeling terrible. And you can do all these things.

and you can work more than full-time because you love it, and you can speak and be engaged with people. It happens slow in a certain sense, but just make sure you're making that progress. So I'm sorry, I wish I had one of those more nerdy answers or I can dive super deep into something. I really can't. I did the stuff that many functional medicine people would recommend. I did it correctly. I did it with a lot of discipline. I mean, there was entire months. I did not even cheat 1%. I did what I knew to do perfectly.

for that time period. It actually calmed me. For some people that stresses them out and that's not the remedy. For me, feeling like I was empowered doing the right thing all the time, that lowered my stress. That was a good thing for me, me personally. I did that and I got better. And it's an amazing thing. Same thing with my mom. Nothing too crazy in terms of functional medicine, no reinventing the wheel, doing the stuff that we know we should be doing over a long period of time. I wish it was sexier, but that's it.

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:39.309)
Hmm

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:53.162)
Yeah. What are your favorite, um, do you have favorite indicators looking at either nervous system tone or biometrics that you love as far as lab work to assess how you're doing aside from the subjective experience?

Detective Ev (01:01:09.234)
100%. So one, some people don't realize this. This is crazy to me. Vitamin D status is a great one, guys. That's one of the only biomarkers. There's only so many biomarkers that are associated with all cause mortality. Vitamin D is one of them. Get your vitamin D checked. You gotta know where that's at because you have a, if it's at a certain level, you have a less chance of dying for any reason. That sounds like a pretty smart thing. I'd wanna know that. Another thing that I like to check personally because I didn't do it until later down the road.

is something called homocysteine. So my family on my dad's side has a history of some heart issues. Once I looked at genetics, once I already felt way better, I realized, wow, I don't really have great methylation genes, if you will, at all. And one of the things I can do is keep your homocysteine levels higher. And so by the time I already felt fantastic, Freddie, I realized once I ran the labs for homocysteine, my homocysteine was actually just out of range even in Western medicine, let alone functional medicine. So for those that don't know, that's actually...

kind of a warning sign, a minor one, but a warning sign nonetheless that, I could have a cardiac event down the road. So maybe work on this now and take care of this. So I like to check in with that because that one's serious to me. Another thing that I really like to know with clients, even if it's not particularly actionable other than lifestyle stuff, because you can throw supplements out at all you want, but I found they have to change the lifestyle. You're not avoiding this. I really like to do something that FDN taught. So they do,

cortisol pattern throughout the day. It's the salivary pattern. So you actually take four samples from someone and you see it throughout the day. And I know many people are big on the urine stuff. They use the Dutch, not against that at all. That chart, seeing what happens to them throughout the day, when you have them test specifically on a day that they believe is normal, that's the key, right? You can't have them do it on a day that they're stressed out or working out for an hour. Just what they consider a normal day and then seeing that pattern, that to me is so profound.

and getting insights and grant you again, the FDN course is biased to this because they teach it so well. So maybe I think it's great just because I learned a lot about it, but it can give you so many insights to where that person is at mentally and physically. I love running that with people and seeing what's going on in their normal life. Because what you find is a lot of people are tanked or they're running on overdrive and they're tanked, they might be both, and they think that's normal.

Detective Ev (01:03:30.354)
I'm like, whoa, whoa. We can do all the labs. We can talk about the supplements. We can talk about the $15,000 therapies. All very useful at times. I sell therapies, right? I have a light therapy studio. But Mr. and Mrs. Owen, so until you address that your life right now is not normal in any sense, there's no point in spending this money. So that's where I like to see it. It's very real for the client, especially everything that we do at FDN is clinical correlation. So we can't diagnose anything. So we show them on the labs how this correlates with what they presented. And I can predict.

on those apps, I'm like, I guarantee that was a, would you have a meeting at work that you didn't like? Like, yeah, damn, I was live on the Zoom call and I don't really like public speaking and it did stress me out. That's a normal day, but it stressed me out. What went on at night? You fight with the spouse? Yeah, actually we were arguing that night because they forgot to do something, whatever, right? And you can start to almost guess these things on the labs. And I think it's profound for people that don't do labs to get to see it and know that some guy that doesn't know them is predicting what's happening in their life accurately and then letting them know

Freddie Kimmel (01:04:22.378)
that don't do labs, to get to see it, and know that some guy that doesn't know them is predicting what's happening in their life accurately and letting them know, that's not normal, it's affecting your body. So I would say the vitamin D status, no reason to reinvent the wheel, all cause mortality.

Detective Ev (01:04:29.886)
That's not normal, it's affecting your body. So I would say the vitamin D status, keep it simple. No reason to reinvent the wheel, all cause mortality associations or important things. Homocysteine, a little biased there because that's just very important for me, might not really be a significant marker for some people. And then man, I think the four quarters all patterned throughout the day, that's something that we can all check in with every now and then, trust me. It's cool lab, cheap, super affordable. You can usually get them for under $200. And it gives you some good insight to where you're at on a daily basis on a...

on a normal day for you.

Freddie Kimmel (01:05:01.59)
Yeah. Evan, what is the, what's one thing that you are?

I want to say exacerbated, very, very excited about, very, I wish I could come up with a better word, excited about right now when it comes to the opportunity to amplify health and wellness in the field, the whole field. Is there anything that really has your interest being pulled?

Detective Ev (01:05:24.286)
whole deal.

Detective Ev (01:05:29.034)
Well, again, without being biased to FDN, because we're doing a lot of cool stuff there, if we're talking about the whole field, I think what the pandemic did, not only for mental health, but also physical health, it woke a lot of people up to this idea of personal responsibility for one's health. Maybe they don't do it for other areas of their life yet, that's fine, but they get that if they don't take responsibility for their health, there is no one coming to save them. And it's very sad, because some people lost their life that way during the pandemic. But others, they did the right thing.

or they did something that they thought was wrong and it still bit them in the butt. What I mean is you got some people taking the vaccine with consequence. You got some people that never took it, they got COVID and they're sick as can be nine months later. It happens to everyone. And both conclusions are, the conclusion is still the same for both sides. You gotta do something different because you already took the vaccine, you're not gonna change that. You didn't take it and you got COVID, you're not gonna change that. Now you're unwell. So we gotta work on this stuff. So your question was, what are you excited about though in the industry? And I think what happened is...

This shifted the perspective for such a massive amount of people that I'm sure you've seen this too. You got brand new people showing up to these conferences, man, you got brand new listeners on the podcast. We got people calling us at FDN that are never, were never in this space before, never even considered it. And the last two or three years has been the trigger that got them into this and starting studying it. I was talking to a pharmacist the other day in it for 30 years. That was her final straw. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. She didn't like the way it was handled.

Freddie Kimmel (01:06:56.878)
Thanks for watching!

Detective Ev (01:06:56.978)
So she wanted to go do something different. That's what I'm exciting about. A mass awakening of a lot of different things and that's gonna achieve my original goal. My original goal on a radio show I did years ago, it was before I did the FDN podcast, little small show in Philadelphia about health. The tagline was leveling the playing field around physical and mental health. What leveling the playing field meant is when you go into a doctor's office or get advice about health, you get access to all the options.

So when you have an autoimmune condition, you are not just told, oh, you have to take this medication for this. You are told you could take this medication for this. You could also get the surgery, and those are options, and here's the risks, and here's the rewards. But you could also change your lifestyle around. Office autoimmunity, especially in like the world of FDN, I'll speak on that one in particular. We put that in remission all the time, right? So we're not diagnosing, treating, or curing anything, but we do take steps with the clients where they then report it's in remission. That's a factual statement. That's not my opinion. That's not a claim.

That's what's happening. And people report that on our podcasts all the time. So I'm excited about how many people are waking up because we don't need everyone to be woken up to level the playing field. We probably need, I have rough estimates, I'm not a statistician, 25 to 50% of people to be woken up. And there's a wave right now, my friend. And it's a rude awakening for a lot of us and many people when it first happens, but it's beautiful. It's so much fun watching people go through the journey now.

Freddie Kimmel (01:08:10.912)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (01:08:20.498)
Like when someone comes into the business, we just had a woman the other day, seven weeks into all her crap, man, thank God she's opened a natural medicine this fast, but seven weeks into an antibiotic, uh, poisoning. And I just look at her, like, I can't say this fully to her face because I don't, you know, you don't want to make promises that are perceived as claims. I'm like, Oh, her whole life's going to change. We're going to help her. Like she has no idea how good this can get. And this is going to be a part of her story. It's like, you can start to see these.

Freddie Kimmel (01:08:40.384)
Yeah.

Detective Ev (01:08:46.626)
lives play out before they're even in it. Like you're gonna help so many people. They're like, dude, I'm still sick. What the hell are you talking about? Fix me first, right? But it's like, no, no. Like you can just see what this person is gonna go do. It's an intuitive, energetic thing. It's beautiful. So that's what I'm excited about my friend.

Freddie Kimmel (01:08:52.79)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:09:00.23)
Yeah, I would agree too. It reminds me, um, I've continued to see like three to four people a week in, in Austin. And I'll see in the capacity of not coaching, but, but people will be led into, to my area of expertise and say, Oh, I heard your, you know, you have a tool for lymphatic drainage. I'm like, yes, let's put you in flowpresso. Let's, let's see what happens if we work with your, um, drainage pathways once a week, once a week. And

Let's see if we put you in front of a red light panels and we pulse these at 40 Hertz. Let's see what happens if we put you in the cold water and let you have a shiver response after three minutes. Across the board, I had a woman leave, which I was a couple minutes late for our podcast prepping and she goes, you know, for the first time in my life, my cortisol is in a normal range. I've lost 15 pounds. I'm much happier. I'm finally sleeping. No drugs.

no supplements. This is just, you know, we're talking about lifestyle, we're talking about developing a habitual practice around sleep. We're talking about, you know, optimizing the body being able to let go of its garbage. We're talking about being exposed to light, very, very simple things. And it's always amazing to me just to, you gotta see it. I will say a caveat to that is,

because I went through the severity of imbalance or chronic illness that I did, I do see a lot of outliers. I do see a lot of non-responders that will just for because I was caught in a system of, I was not being seen or heard, I was not validated. So I started trying really drastic, weird things that could have been good, could have been bad, but probably out of order. And I just want to reframe for everybody.

We have to do the lifestyle things. It's a non-negotiable. You have to do the lifestyle. You have to examine all the foods you're eating, all the water you're drinking, all your time and rest. You have to examine all the quality of every single relationship in your life. And you have to say to yourself, is this serving my growth? Is this for my betterment? Those are the things we've really got to look at. And then...

Freddie Kimmel (01:11:27.966)
And then the light therapy in the hyperbaric chamber of the stem cell injection can be managed, really moving us into a new level of balance. So as opposed to settling, which I'm really on this phrase of, if you aren't sick, you've just settled in a new homeostatic state, which is chronic illness. We just want to bump you up a couple levels and have you settle in a new homeostatic state, which your body definitely remembers. But if you've not been there for 20 years, it can take a minute.

That can take a minute.

Detective Ev (01:11:57.43)
I agree with you and I actually think that was just like I'm the fairness comment, right? Like just making sure we express this fully incorrectly because you are right There's a bunch of people that come into the world of FDN for example that man without Certain therapies or certain tests they never would have gotten a hundred percent better and I can even argue if I did a lot of that Stuff sooner. I would have gotten better sooner wouldn't have taken me, you know Four or five years to get to the place that I'm in now. So it's always useful. It's just

Freddie Kimmel (01:12:17.282)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (01:12:23.878)
The biohacking space especially, it's like we kinda, we screw up sometimes where we, we have a lot of people that come into this space for optimization that otherwise might be feeling okay, but they're like entrepreneurs, CEOs, they're going 70 hours a week and they're trying to optimize, fair enough. And then we forget, you know, when someone comes in super sick, it's like, yes, please do this, do this therapy, but also make sure that you get these foundations done, cause otherwise it's not gonna, worse it's not gonna work at all. At best it's not gonna be permanent.

You know, we gotta integrate all these things. And some people too, let's just call it what it is, this back to the unfairness thing. Some people just can't deal with this modern world at all. And that does not mean they're flawed or anything like that. It's just, we were never supposed to be designed for this world, right? When I go down into Philadelphia, man, million people live there. When I smell that pollution for one day, I get a headache. Like I would hate having to live there all the time. That's just me though. Other people like, dude, I don't get bothered by this. This isn't affecting me. So...

Freddie Kimmel (01:13:09.634)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (01:13:22.33)
I think it's figuring out what works for you. What's that healthy balance? I can get away with much more than I thought originally. If I just take care of certain things in my life, which is wonderful. So figure out what that is for you. And you know, if you want to optimize, especially, that's when you start getting into the really fancy stuff, all the cool therapies. And there's a lot out there. There's a lot of cool things you can go to. You'll listen to the right podcast, I assume, if you're interested in that. I learned something from Freddie every time we talk, or something I didn't even know existed last time we talked.

Freddie Kimmel (01:13:41.472)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:13:47.434)
Oh yeah. I had a woman message me yesterday on Instagram. She goes, hey, I just want to let you know I'm still using the amp coil to work with the symptoms that my body is suppressing, not work with disease. But she goes, you know, the cool thing is all the ocular tumors that I had associated with MS are gone and then the lesions on my brain are all continuing to shrink. So it's really cool to get those messages of people that, you know, it's like, oh yeah.

It's great, so cool that we connected and you learned about this. And I was super honored to be the pass-through of information, but it is. I would join with you in saying, what an exciting time to be alive. Don't get caught up in the overwhelm that it is all bad. We have more choices, so it does feel more confusing. But certainly, Evan, your platform, your podcast, the Light Center in Bucks County,

Incidentally, Bucks County, there's a really famous theater there, Bucks County Playhouse, which I have a lot of friends go out and visit and perform in. So I...

Detective Ev (01:14:54.394)
Oh, that's so, I didn't know that was considered, it is a big deal here, but I'm not in the space, right? That's so cool that that's considered like big enough that you know it, that's awesome.

Freddie Kimmel (01:15:02.874)
Oh yeah, it's like a, well, it's so close to New York City that you have Tony award-winning actors going both performing and directing there. So it's, yeah. Yeah, and it's taken, sidebar for any of the theater nerds listening to this from the Broadway team. Yeah, you get Broadway caliber performances out there many, many times. So it's a really good pad. I'll have to look up later and see what they're doing right now. Evan, where, what's that?

Detective Ev (01:15:29.342)
Yeah, let me know what a great one's coming through. We'll go stop. I said, let me know, that's not my thing, but I'm always down to try new things. If you see a great one that's coming through, you're like, oh, this can be awesome. I'll go with my fiance. So, we walk by it all the time.

Freddie Kimmel (01:15:41.653)
I will. That's so funny. I looked up pictures of your place in Bucks County. It looks awesome.

Detective Ev (01:15:47.91)
It's cool. It's a little hole in the wall spot. You know, we were balling on a budget to get it rolling, but what it really, really the secret is by doing it where we did it, the rent and overhead solo, there is no one, there is no one that's going to undercut us on price unless they're running this out of their house. And then even then it might not work. So we're able to, I always wanted to be able to give like the red light services and all these things at a very affordable price. We charge handsomely for the labs. That's not a secret, you know, but those therapies, I didn't want.

Freddie Kimmel (01:15:52.718)
Uh-huh.

Freddie Kimmel (01:16:10.856)
Mm-hmm.

Detective Ev (01:16:15.966)
There's no contracts, no enrollment fees. If you forgot to cancel on it's two months or two days past due. I'll literally refund you. I'm maybe stupid with it, right? But I just want people to be able to come in and experience it. We live too far north. That's not Canada. I get that, but it's far enough north that the winter sucks here, man. You're depressed. You don't feel good. You can't get vitamin D two months out of the year here. I want it somewhere that people can go and just enjoy this stuff.

Freddie Kimmel (01:16:23.618)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:16:37.182)
Yeah, amazing. We will put all these links in the show notes. Where can people find you connect with you follow you on social

Detective Ev (01:16:46.63)
Yes, sir. So actually the main place would be FDN stuff with so at FDN training. That is our Instagram. I know. I'm sorry that I forget offhand, Freddie. We have a special link for you if people want to check out FDN. So we'll send that over and make sure that's in the show notes. So that'll be there. But at FDN trainings on Instagram, so you can reach out to us there. If you're interested in me personally, for whatever reason, we do work with people remotely. That's Bucks County Light Therapy.

I'm actually not really the one that does a lot of the lab stuff. It'd be my fiance. She has the FDN certification. So only if you like truly resonated with something with me reach out. Otherwise reach out to Freddie stuff to FDN. I'm here really just to share a story. I appreciate you letting me shout out our stuff and definitely if nothing else, listen to Freddie's story on the health detective podcast. He is one of maybe three people in 270 episodes that I did two parts with. This guy had me in f-ing tears.

And I felt like an idiot, but then I was like, all right, no, I'm an adult now. I can cry on camera. It's all good. And I remember that you're just, man, you're a special type of human. It's, it's very cool. And it's a very good story. If you guys somehow haven't heard his full thing yet, please go check that out.

Freddie Kimmel (01:17:51.918)
Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Yeah, we had a blast. You get a magic wand, and you're going to wave it over. You're going to wave it over the airways, and everybody on the planet is going to tune in to Evan for 30 seconds. What advice do you give people of planet Earth today?

Detective Ev (01:18:15.058)
There's a time and place to take the health stuff, which we're talking about today, super seriously. Like I said, at one point I was disciplined every single day, never changed anything. And then there's another time, as you're healing and as you're getting better, to remember to let go and that this life is very limited. Our time here is very short. And I find that there is a lot of neuroticism that happens in our space because we have been sick and being hyper-disciplined with our health changes really is life-saving at a certain time.

What I have learned in the season of life that I'm in right now is sometimes you got to let that neuroticism go. You're okay. You know, you can break away from the nest. You don't need that anymore. And now it's you're in balance phase, right? You don't go back to your old life either. But you balance these things out. Don't lose another part of your life by being so neurotic with things that you forget that life's so short here. And you have to ask yourself, if I knew I was going to die tomorrow, would I be changing a bunch of stuff? And if the answer is

to that is yes, I think that's really a powerful time for reflection. There's some practicality to life, I get that. Chances are you're not gonna die tomorrow. But I reflect on that really often, Freddy, like a lot. Like I'm always thinking about what would this be like if I died tomorrow? Was I happy with the decisions that I was making, the things that I was doing, was this worth it? And you don't wanna be saying no to that too often. So that would be my advice. Take the health stuff seriously, yes, it's real. Yes, there's a time to be hyperdisciplined.

Don't let that neuroticism last longer than it needs to. I did that and again, it's a different season in my life now where I'm learning to let go of some of that stuff and I'm better and healthier for it.

Freddie Kimmel (01:19:50.274)
Beautiful. I'm hearing that one really thing, a really important thing we might want to incorporate is every day, regardless of how you feel, something that makes you happy, something that brings true joy and maybe a sense of play to your life.

Detective Ev (01:20:07.23)
I love it. Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (01:20:08.574)
I also am going to ask you to go back to when you're 14 years old and as you exist today at 27, go back and what advice would you give your 14 year old self if you could bestow some sage like wisdom?

Detective Ev (01:20:27.426)
Maybe it's not sage-like and maybe it's cliche, but this is genuine right because these questions are things I get asked only because of the The school speaking so the mental health questions are kid questions I always get asked and I've thought about it and the thing I needed perspective on is do don't give up Like life is not over you're thinking one day ahead at 14 years old, right? I'm having suicidal ideations that might have been more 15 16 but I'm thinking one day ahead and it's that one day ahead thinking that Any day I could have acted on that ideation

because it really doesn't take much when you're only thinking one day ahead to say screw it, I'm done with this. I wish I could tell them and help them fully embody more than even tell them that as short as life is, the irony is it's also kind of long and there's times to change, there's seasons to all of this stuff and if you're gonna throw in a towel, I don't wanna act like I know every situation out there, I don't wanna be ignorant, but you better have a pretty damn good reason to do that.

And if you haven't tried everything under the sun for what you're dealing with and what's causing you that pain, that is not a good enough reason then, or there is not a good enough reason then, then to give up. Keep going. There's seasons to all of this stuff. And if you had asked me, would that punk kid who's coming to school high, selling weed, would he be the same kid to have the privilege to speak to over 50,000 kids around the country and hopefully impact or save some lives through my story, right? Not me, but through my story, me being used as a vessel.

I would have said you're crazy. So who knows what the other side has waiting for you? Obviously I'm not very special. So who knows what the other side has waiting for you if you just don't give up and keep pushing it? There might be someone out there that you saved one day because you persevered through your pain. So that would be my stuff to the 14 year old. And more importantly, helping them embody it because saying that to them, I don't know if that's gonna register fully.

Freddie Kimmel (01:22:10.238)
Yeah, beautiful. Well, I know I think you're super special. And I know the audience is too. I think this is a, I'm so excited for people to listen to this episode and just really feel in because I think we all have someone in our lives that we know, man, if they just moved around a few things, I bet it would feel different. I know, I know it could be different from them. And I certainly know that there are parents out there watching their children struggle and feeling helpless and like, what do I do with this kid?

I empathize with every parent trying to raise a child right now. So I look forward to this going live on the airways and we'll definitely have you back. There's Evan, there's so much we could talk about. We'll do it again. Me too. Thank you for being here and thank you for being a guest on the beautifully broken podcast. Namaste.

Detective Ev (01:22:53.618)
Thank you, man, I'm glad we got to do it finally.

Detective Ev (01:23:02.287)
Namaste.