Heart Attack at 33: Why You Can't Detox a Nervous System That Doesn't Feel Safe with Dr. John Kim

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Dr. John Kim (00:00.854)
Unfortunately, back in 2015, I had a heart attack, end stemmy to be exact. I had an 85% blockage in my LAD, ended up getting a stem put in. And at age of 33 years old, I became the youngest patient to get a stent put in. And none of the doctors, including the cardiologists, even the attending physician, the ER, believed me that I was dealing with a heart attack because one, I was young. I had lipid testing done six months prior. That was clean.

Right. There was some other things to look at, but it was generally clean. EKG was clean six months prior, so they had in no prior history to say that hey, this guy's a risk.

Freddie Kimmel (00:42.574)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast, where healing meets high performance. From cancer recovery to wellness technology, we bring you real stories and real innovators to help you reclaim your biology and build your personal blueprint for health. Let's go.

Freddie Kimmel (01:05.772)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Beautifully Broken podcast. Today we have a special treat and it's gonna be so much fun because I have my good friend, Dr. John Kim. Welcome to the show.

Dr. John Kim (01:16.622)
Freddie, thank you so much. This is an honor to be here on your podcast.

Freddie Kimmel (01:20.34)
It's so fun and we've known each other for a long time now. And isn't it interesting how things have changed over the years and in health and wellness?

Dr. John Kim (01:30.774)
I think right now, based on where the functional medicine and everything else that's going on at this point in time, I just don't like it where it's heading. I think it's just becoming another sheep's wolf clothing in a conventional medicine space. And everybody's just throwing random supplements at the problem and then not really getting to the root of the issue. So hopefully we get to discuss that today and get to the bottom of everything else to help people out there.

Freddie Kimmel (01:55.478)
It's really what's ever on your heart. You know, and I I said in the beginning, I'm like, hey, I've got my morning mineral water, I've got a cup of coffee here, and I genuinely love putting my friends that are in clinical practice, running pharmacies, working with patients in the spotlight and and a little bit under the in the pressure seat just to test the things that people are being told in the space right now. Because like you said, functional medicine has changed a lot.

Before we jump in there, John, you have a really powerful, I'll say your your paint purpose story. Could you share with the audience just a little a snippet or insight into your life and how things changed from when you first started practicing medicine?

Dr. John Kim (02:39.842)
Yeah, absolutely. I think everybody has their pain to glory story. And for me, that happened to be the case back in 2015. I mean, I my name is Dr. John Kim, if people don't know out there. I have an Instagram page called John.farmd. I've been in clinical practice since 2006. I got into functional medicine back in 2008 after doing a two-year completion and fellowship in functional medicine. And that's how I got into it because I noticed that the conventional medicine side was already broken and just

end up having to be quote unquote optimizing pharmaceuticals by giving more medication. I thought that was something that I did not want to be living in or at least exploring further. So I got into doing conventional holistic medicine. And at that point in time I didn't know what functional medicine was. And afterwards, one of the things that I specialized in was just working with females dealing with hormone issues. So

Biodental hormonal replacement therapy. I would used to get doctors' referrals to see what type of hormones they might be needing and such. So kind of fast forward, what happened for me was, and I thought I was living a very healthy life. Unfortunately, back in 2015, I had a heart attack, end STEMI to be exact. I had an 85% blockage in my LAD, ended up getting a stem put in. And at age of 33 years old, I became the youngest patient to get a stem put in.

And none of the doctors, including the cardiologists, even the attending physician, the ER, believed me that I was dealing with a heart attack because one, I was I was young. I had lipid testing done six months prior. That was clean. Right? There was some other things to look at, but it was generally clean. EKG was clean six months prior. So they had in no prior history to say that, hey, this guy's a risk. But how is it a 33-year-old coming in with a chest pain?

And then now you're wondering what else is going on. And then my troponin level was less than one. So they still didn't believe that I was doing a heart attack. Except for when they did an echocardiogram, my left ventricle wasn't pumping well. As a result, they're saying now that's a ischemia going on. We have to get to the cath lab and see what it is. And then lo and behold, I had 85% blockage. So they had no choice but to put a stamp put in. And I was in a cardiac unit for three days. And that was a really the wake-up moment.

Dr. John Kim (05:02.54)
And the biggest scare that I actually have was how did this happen? Second is what can I do to prevent myself from having a secondary heart attack? Just because you're on statin drugs does not mean that you're you're preventing secondary heart attack, which happens a lot more often than people realize. But statins, especially drugs, are not the right way. So this is where after getting out of the hospital, sitting and wandering for seven days on my couch at home.

Having to ask the question further into what else can I do at this point? So I went to my conventional medical doctor and I actually asked for a vitamin C IV done. And she looked at me and she says, I think you're dealing with a tick point illness. Let's do some further testing. So a month and a half later, I tested positive for Bartonella infection, high levels of aspergillos, antibodies, mycoplasma pneumonia, Epstein bar, parasites, and it had a very high level of mercury.

So as a kid, I used to intentionally break mercury thermometers and play around with the liquid mercury. And that's how I got exposed to it. On top of any time that I had a cut, my grandmother used to use these things called the mercury, which is a red mercury solution as an antiseptic. So again, additional mercury getting involved. So it became a perfect storm of creating this particular mess, what I call the cell danger response, basically. But I was going through this danger state.

Constant stress response with the biotoxin issues and such. And then now you're adding in childhood trauma, just impacts even further. And that's how I developed this painful issue back in 2015. It took me two years to clear Bartonell infection, six months to clear the mold. And this basically changed the trajectory in terms of what I'm doing. I was helping clients deal with hormones and gut. I was also

Got further trained of looking at autism spectrum and looking at how biomedical treatments can actually help with autism. And that helped me open up in terms of how certain biotoxin issues, heavy metals, and genetic issues can derive into this phenomenon of ASD. But looking at what I had to deal with, that was a bigger issue in terms of how biotoxins end up having to impact your cells, the inflammatory condition on top of.

Dr. John Kim (07:21.77)
Rapid development of certain disease states that really help to understand that there is much deeper root cause issues that we have to get through.

Freddie Kimmel (07:30.636)
Well, I'm so glad you're here. And that is an incredible story. I didn't know y at thirty-three you you were the youngest recipient of a stent. That's incredible. And I might I had wrote down on my little sketchpad here, I said, Why does this happen to someone at the thirty-three? And what you described to me, what I heard, is that there was this epigenetic influence from your environment, be it the mold, be it the Bartonella, be it the toxins, be it the mercury, that was probably driving a lot of internal inflammation and

Boom, boom, boom. We've got a perfect storm. I have a question for you. What are the things I want to address the heart? Because this has been, I've been getting an internal hit. I was like, I'm almost 50. I've never looked at my heart. I've never done a calcium score. I generally trend towards higher lipids when I do labs. It's always just a little bit high. I'm Fred the Fifth. I think every Fred except my dad.

has had a heart attack. So I know it's in that side of the family line. What should people be looking at as far as heart health?

Dr. John Kim (08:36.888)
So a few things you have to look at. First off, I didn't know you were almost fifty. I thought you were still in your younger forties. Seriously I thought this guy's younger than me. I'm forty four right now. my god. my god.

Freddie Kimmel (08:44.258)
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Freddie Kimmel (08:50.668)
Forty eight. I'm not I'm not wasting.

away my forties, but I I see it and I feel it. I see how I respond to exercise differently. I see how I am more prone to a few bad nights sleep. They really throw me off the rails. I feel things changing and you know, I see subtle changes in the mirror. But yeah, I'm I'm really lucky that at my cancer journey at twenty six, I pretty went I I I went hard in the paint on a lot of the stuff that you and I both believe in.

Dr. John Kim (09:21.87)
Yeah. that's crazy. Wow. I didn't know you were it shows and speaks volume in terms of what we do, right? On a daily basis. And and and especially for you, you're you're, you know, one of the pinnacle of biohacking out there. And obviously I visit your place and I was just blown away in terms of the tools that you actually had. So, you know, speaks volume in terms of you know how you are internally as well as externally in terms of what is shown. So

Freddie Kimmel (09:29.645)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (09:47.626)
Thanks, man. I I appreciate the compliment. It really is. I tell people it is a it is a daily practice and we'll we'll get to the heart stuff, but you know, that's the thing that that I get online because people see social media snippets of my life and they're like, Hey, I have dot dot dot. You know, I have chronic fatigue, I have Lyme, I have histamine intolerance, I have mast cell activation. Should I buy the red light? Should I get the cold you know, and and it's always like, No.

No, I mean these are things that you see that are fun and sexy and exciting. And at the same time, it's just a tool. You really want to think about what is the life that you're building that creates buoyancy, resiliency, and most importantly, a lot of joy. Cause if if you get a list of things to do every day, I I promise you it doesn't lead down a road to healing. You gotta make it fun.

Dr. John Kim (10:36.908)
Yep, absolutely. And that's something that people are not able to think about because so entrenched and being concentrated on their illness and their issues. And so one of the things that when I work with clients is working on their heart coherency. And you know about heart math and how important that is, how in terms of shifting into that positive feel and affirmation in your heart.

By thinking about what you are loving, grateful about, and what you are happy about, enjoy, those are all going to create a better coherency state and it's going to impact how the heart actually functions as well. People forget that our heart actually has a 40,000 different nerves stemming from that. It's another neural network and is able to take on the information from the outside and is able to bring that information into the head, into your brain. And the thing is that as you start to create better coherency state, you have to think better.

You know, be more effective, having more intuition into your environment and such, that it creates a remarkable change. So one of the things that I specialize in these days is working patients with mold toxicity and including MCAS. And the issue is that a lot of these patients are hypersensitive, meaning that they are reacting to different environments, chemicals, and such. The remarkable change was that as you start to create better heart coherency state, they become less reactive.

Why? Because they have a they have a better resiliency state in managing stress down to non-stress mode. And being that having that better regulation of that autonomic nervous system, it shifts it into working on the immune system at the same time. Yeah. And that goes into our heart function as well. So what do we need to look at in terms of heart? And what do we need to look at currently at this point in time? First off, I would recommend doing a full lipid panel, right?

You should definitely look at the lip panel. One of the key markers I would look at is lipoprotein A and Apo B. Those are two key indicators that really helps to shift how you are a risk factor of developing further cardiovascular issues. Right. But if you actually have an irregularity of that, that also shows the fact that there's an internal cellular inflammation going on. And that's the part that we'll look at is what's causing those cellular inflammation.

Freddie Kimmel (12:52.682)
W and why why those A and B proteins, lipids, what is special about those and what do they tell us?

Dr. John Kim (12:58.54)
Yeah, so couple couple of things at this point in time. So those two markers really help to see the overall development of further issue in so of the endothelial damage that goes on the blood vessels. Right. So that's a good indicator to looking at an inflammatory aspect of in terms of what's really happening. Oftentimes when you're looking at APOB numbers that's elevated, key sign is stress, mental, physical, emotional stress response that goes on there. And secondly, insulin resistance.

Right. So that goes into how do we get the lifestyle change back? But I go further than that. How do we actually change your redox potential and your energy flow in your cells? So this is where you are able to reverse these things. So one of the books that I love referencing and reading, Dr. Stephen Hussey, he talks, he has a book called The Understand the Heart. He, chiropractor himself, he actually had a heart attack when he was 34. He's a type one diabetic.

Getting a stem put in, same scenario. I actually met him last year. And for him, he actually had it had an existing stenosis after the stent was putting in. And he was able to reverse that by utilizing some of the natural things that we already do. Circadian rhythm, making sure he grounds, making sure he stays into depleting deuterium content in the body. And as you start to create that better energy and redox potential in the cells, he was able to reverse it. So it's all all about the energy flow as well. So in

When you're looking at inflammatory condition and the the way that inflammation is happening, it actually causes a poor electrical charge that goes on in the cells. As a result, a lot of the lipid molecules also end up having to congregate. But as you start to create better energy aspect of it, able to create energy, a better electrical charge in the cell membrane, and as well as help to structuralize the water content in the cells, you start noticing that there's better energy flow, but also

you have to reverse some of the issues dealing with the cardiovascular damages that goes on.

Freddie Kimmel (15:03.81)
Can you say a little more about redox potential for the audience?

Dr. John Kim (15:07.554)
Yeah. So redox potential, simpler ways is how do you create energy? That's all it comes out to. I know it's kind of fancy like, redox, what is it? It's just basically making ATP. Right? Everybody knows that, people know that if you're taking basic biology and chemistry class, we all understand about the importance of ATP. Your cells, specifically your mitochondria, is creating ATP. Unfortunately, in a stress response state,

Meaning you have issues like heavy metals, you have like mold, Lyme disease, including viral infections, certain some amounts of chemical toxicity, like BPA or things of that nature, including physical traumas, can result in in a stress response to the mitochondria. And so instead of making eight energy, the mitochondria

goes into a defense mode trying to contain the damage and trying to fix the problem. It's a natural phenomenon that everybody goes through. So I'll give you a perfect example. When you had a let's just say you had a flu infection, for instance, you had a flu, what happens? Your body tends to be sick and you're in that resting state, right? You have a low energy state. That's exactly what the mitochondria is doing. What is doing? Instead of making ATP, the mitochondria is doing everything it can to contain that virus to get it out.

And then also neutralizing it and then allowing the immune system to come in and fix the problem. That's a phenomenon called cell danger response, is coined by Dr. Robert Navio. And that cell danger response state actually really explains why a certain disease state's form. But another big thing that we look at is how and why a disease state is completely stuck and people cannot recover. And this is the often the discussion that we get.

For people dealing with MCAS, or nowadays is COVID long hauler issues, right? Autoimmune disease. You can't get a resolution of a disease state and people are completely stuck. Or the immune system being hyperactive, et cetera, right? So those are old things happening there. But going back straight into the heart, it's the same aspect of it. Everything in terms of your heart also, it's heavy with mitochondria, it's creating that energy.

Dr. John Kim (17:25.484)
Right. But as you start to get more of these stress response state affects you in terms of how you're creating the energy that also affects in terms of your cholesterol production as well. Right. When you when I see conventional labs, when I do a lip full lipid panel, I notice that the person's LDL level and total cholesterol levels, including the particle size, are elevated. This means that there's initial stint of inflammation that's going on. It's not the fact that they need more statins, is inflammation.

More likely the fact that they are dealing with some type of biotoxin issues result in this process as well. That's number one. Number two, because of the biotoxin damages or stress response, and I just mentioned about how the cell membrane gets damaged, the body's overall goal is to do what? To fix that cell membrane. So it's going to increase the cholesterol production as well. One of the good markers to look at whether you're dealing with a lipid.

Deficiency, specifically phospholipid, is looking at the HDL number. So when you have an HDL number below 50, specifically, you have a phospholipid that's completely depleted. So this is an emergency state where cell membrane is not able to mend and fix the issue. So that kind of goes into all reason why specific markers like triglyceride and HDL ratio is so important factor to looking at how.

Resilient this person's cardiovascular function is to undertake the damage. But let's just say the person actually has a low HGL, high triglyceroline, that's a big problem. Right? That's an initial issue dealing with insulin resistance that we have to really get that fixed. So this is the whole point of you know, potentially putting the person on a more of a ketogenic diet. And for me, one of the focal points that I work on with clients whenever I see they have a high level of lipid content like that.

It's not the more medication. I got to get the circadian rhythm fixed. Right. So that especially circadian rhythm, that aspect of it helps to jumpstart the fatty acid metabolism. Right. So that's going to help normalize the fat and especially cholesterol production, including how the lipids are broken down. So that's the part that we really have to focus on the circadian vitamin says when you're waking up, one of the focal points is you need to wake up during the daybreak, making sure you get optimal UVB as well.

Dr. John Kim (19:48.056)
But one of the really important fascinating part about the circadian rhythm is that not only you have the public to increase the ATB production, but the most fascinating part is it helps to structuralize the water within the cells. And that structuralized the cell actually helps to reverse some of the lipid or at least the atheroscratic plaque issues. And one of the fascinating about the writing from Dr. Hussey's, but also there's all different medical journals showing to

Prove these things that's happening there. You could reverse these cardiovascular issues by doing simple lifestyle change.

Freddie Kimmel (20:22.764)
Yeah. John, when when we get into the conversation about and you've listed these off a couple of times, and I know the audience may know, you know, mast cell activation, MCAS, histamine intolerance, Lyme disease, Bartonella Babesia, in this segment of the population that are struggling on a chronic loop. And we've we've decided that the body has a burden. I find there is a lot of in when I first started reading about it, and this was like two thousand like eight or nine, there was like the shoemaker protocol in

He was kind of the pioneer starting to talk about this, this idea of an environmental burden to severely compromise the immune system. Now there are so many different people approaching this differently. There's so many opinions in the space. Tell me if you're somebody that is really in this chronic state. And I talked to a young woman yesterday who she hasn't too worked in two years. And she was so sweet and her mindset was perfect and she's so resourceful. She's not working.

She gets up and she'll make lunch for her husband and she's down for three to four hours. That there's that much dysregulation with tachycardia and pots and all the things that you you and I both hear. She's they've removed themselves from a moldy home. There's a lot of stuff going on. But right now, all she's doing is collecting labels and diagnoses from different specialists. And my heart went out to her because she was, she was talking to me about, she was asking about how she should support her body with lymphatic drainage.

And I was listening to the story, I was listening to this person. And my advice to her was I was like, look, you're doing a lot of stuff right. If I could go back fifteen years, the first thing that I would do is I would go attempt to do a limbic system retraining, something like the Gupta program, reorigin, primal trust, DNRS, and I would try to find out an easy, calming resonance breath technique. Like you mentioned with heart math. I was like,

Here's an app that's like free where you can find it if you you know, whatever you do. But that was like my first step. What are your thoughts on that? And how do people build a hierarchy of healing in this space when they don't have access to funds? When they're really have to bootstrap it on their own because they're not working.

Dr. John Kim (22:34.936)
Yeah. That is fascinating story that I s hear all the time with people that's coming in and they've gone through resources after resources, different doctors, and they cannot get to the bottom of the issue. Right. So this is the phenomenon of the cell danger response I was mentioning about and why, even though this perfect example with this lady, sh they've removed themselves from a moldy place, but they're still sick. What's going on there? So this is a part that we have to really looking at.

What's causing it? Even though the environment is clean, why is it the body is going so? Because the mitochondria doesn't know that the danger is removed. Right? Mentioned about how the mitochondria dictates in terms of creating energy, but also going to defense mode at the same time, healing process. When the mitochondria still senses that there's a danger going on, it doesn't know, it does not know how to process that information and go into a healing mode. That's the reason why people are stuck.

And this is the explanation why Dr. Robert Navio had mentioned about, you know, even including like the chronic disease tastes like Hashimoto's, you talk about chronic pain, you're talking also about autosuspection disorder, perfect storm that create the mess. But the thing is, you don't the body does not know how to resolve it. So this is the part that I help clients to reversing this. And this is the reason why I came up with the method called the Encore method. Is the environmental fact it stands for environmental factor.

Nervous system regulation, cellular optimization, optimizing detox pathway, rebalance of microbiome, enhancing resiliency. It's a sequential six-step process of reversing the cell danger response. I love how you mentioned about the nervous system aspect of it, because that's second part that I address from the environment. Why? If the nervous is dysregulated, if the person's nervous system is constantly a thought of flight state, it's very tough for them to not only detox, but also it actually affects them.

Into how the cell membranes functioning as well. Case in point, when you have a high elevated cortisol level, it actually increases the production of phospholipase A2 enzyme. It actually ligates, it breaks down the cell membrane structure. And then when you have a high cortisol level, you also have a sugar dyslagation. So that's going to also affect the cell membrane as well. And the health of your recovery, at least the progress of your recovery, is all dictated based on the integrity of your cell membrane. So that's the third part that we work on.

Dr. John Kim (24:59.778)
But let's look at the first one in terms of if you are limited funds in terms of what can you do at that point in time into getting yourself better. First off, I'll focus on circadian rhythm. That's the first thing you should do. Doesn't cost you anything. You just have to get your butt outside and get look the sun first thing in the morning there. So there's a free app that you could download. And there's an app called My Circadian. It's actually, it was made by my friend Sarah Kleiner.

And that particular app will tell you exactly when you need to go out during the daybreak to get the blue light and the powerful infrared light that you need. You don't need to buy a red light panel. People out there listening think they think they're gonna they need to buy a red light panel. No, you don't have to buy a red light panel. You just have to go outside and get the free sunlight that God gave it you. That's means that's the first thing you need to do. Why? That circadian red imbalance is really critical in terms of how you detox.

How your digestion works, how your hormone works, how your bile is flowing, how your bowel is flowing, everything that's all based on the circuiting rhythm. Unfortunately, when you're looking at people, their circuit rhythm is completely a mess. Why? Because of technology these days. Especially when you talk about blue light exposure that's coming from your cell phone and your toxic lights that you're actually dealing with at home. Those are all, and especially people are indoors all the time.

That's going to affect how your circulating rhythm is. But specifically the non-native EMF exposure that people are getting also that damage the cell membrane. I did a podcast that's recently talking about the dangers, dangers of non-native EMF. Non-native EMF affects the actual frequencies and charges that the body's already making. It's called the ELF, extremely low frequency. And that is a particular frequency your body already generating. Unfortunately,

Non-netty VMF, cell phone, Wi-Fi, dirty electricity, power lines, all these different things are impacting our electrical charge that polarize that that actually causes a polarization of your cell membrane. So it actually it basically activates the cell membrane further than necessary. As a result, you actually dump out magnesium out of the cells. And then also has an influx of calcium. What does that all mean? It sounds all fancy.

Dr. John Kim (27:18.752)
It just basically means that you have intracellular inflammation. That's basically what it comes out to, right? And that's going to further create more damage there. So that's why what we need to do is we need to clean up your environment. Do you doing what? Getting rid of the non-native EMF or these hard wire, everything. Turn up your Wi-Fi. That's the first thing you could do. Again, don't quit anything. Just to go out there, turn, unplug that Wi-Fi.

Freddie Kimmel (27:42.146)
Wi Fi. They have great kill switches on that you can actually plug your Wi Fi router in so you didn't even have to you could just push the button at night.

Dr. John Kim (27:49.44)
Yes, you could do that too. I have a timer that's on right now. So it it turns off automatically. But if you could ideally hardwire everything in the house, that's even even better way to do so. Making sure you if you could afford one, hire a certified building biologist to see if there's any other third electricity you might be dealing with, right? Making sure everything's grounded properly. That's the first thing that we would do. Anything related to that, all the lights, I'll recommend maybe changing all the light bulbs to incondensant light bulbs if you can. Right.

Or this is what I do, I have a specific red light bulbs that I place into my apartment so that I only turn those on at night. Right. I even actually have a cheap red light bulb that I end up having to use that provides full spectrum light as well. So light is very important in terms of you healing, but also helps to recharge your cells. That's the first thing that you need to do for people out there. As you start to regulate that better, and then follow by, you know, doing whatever you can to clean up your

mold issues and you you it might cost you a lot of money. But first thing you need to do is you want to really hire a testing company to come in and then assess what type of damage you're dealing with. And then do the cheapest ones first that's going to most make the most impact. That's what I usually tell clients to do. I have clients where they spend $150 to $300,000. They can't afford it. So what I tell them to do, what is the most important thing that you're going to get rid of? HVAC, number one.

Any water damage that you know that's going to impact. So especially a bit of a warp wall or maybe there's a leaking going on, making sure you mend those first. Don't cost as much as doing a full bathroom, you know, remodeling. So at least tackle those little things. So low-hanging food that you want to tackle first. Then you start working on your nervous system. So this is where the heart mats, somatic work. I have EMDR as well as a trauma specialist in my team that I refer clients to.

Anytime they have a mass activation client that comes in, MCAS clients that come in, they're hypersensitive. I usually actually have them see a trauma specialist. That's the first thing that we do. Because why? If you're nervous, it's Wisconsin or fight or five state. It's no much it's very difficult to turn that off unless you're really working to getting that through. So EMDR is a very powerful tool that I love. I still use and such. And then that's the next part in terms of how do we support your cell membrane. And it doesn't have to be that yepis.

Dr. John Kim (30:13.144)
buy fancy supplements. I mean, one thing that I recommend doing is getting body bios, PC, balance oil, and sodium bureaus. Those are really a stack for mitochondrial recovery. But the easiest thing that you could do, eating whole food. That's the next thing, right? Making sure you could if you could keep your body more on that ketogenic, more that carnivore, more that paleo-based diet, that could that's going to impact how you feel. That's going to really help to shift your cell membrane in terms of mending that.

And then healthy adding adding in adding in healthy oils as well, like olive oil, coconut could be very helpful. Coconut oil also is a very much antiviral, antifungal that you could do. Those are the things that we would do there. But you you still need to manage your circadian rhythm. Circadian rhythm helps to recharge your cells, right? So still goes back down to the basics, the foundation that we have to lay in. If you do that consistently, I bet you in four to six weeks, it's you gotta change a

Change the level of your energy and how you feel.

Freddie Kimmel (31:15.35)
Yeah. I you know, it's it's I'd always been a problem sleeper. And I can tell you, and I say I say always in my in my paradigm of sickness, and there was a day after cancer, after a couple surgeries, where one night I lay down in bed and I was like, I can't sleep. I just lay there for a whole night and for almost a decade and a half, you know, it's been really challenging. In my last three years, been fine. In my last eight months

It's been impeccable. Like as the sun's coming up, my body is is waking up. Cause the first thing I do is go outside. And no matter if it's winter or it's summer, it's hot, it's buggy, whatever, I do an outdoor shower. And I take that like first 10 or 12 minutes and I'm listening to the birds. I'm getting bit by mosquitoes in Austin, Texas, but I'm just watching the sunrise. And it's like,

The best thing. I'm barefoot. I'm grounded. And it's just such a great life hack. And I know not everybody can have an outdoor shower, but it's really pretty easy to hook up on the wall of your house where your water lines are. You can have a a a plumber hook you up and it doesn't have to be pretty. But that's been a forcing function for me. Because I was like, well, I'm I'm gonna we actually have a shower and a toilet, which I know you saw.

Dr. John Kim (32:32.512)
I was gonna mention about the toilet. You could take a dump outside as well.

Freddie Kimmel (32:38.094)
It's kind of the most magical thing in the world, John. I'm I'm not gonna lie. I've got this beautiful cactus that I can see the sunrise and it's like time to let it go. Let it go. let it go, let it go. I I d now I do I did I do wanna say like you don't need a red light panel, but that's something that I've used that I do and now listen, I'm the oldest of three siblings. So I'm

I'm l have a nice yardstick of how my brothers and sisters who don't do any of this stuff and we're aging very differently. And so one thing that I would tell you is that this is something I've done since 2015. And it's not to replace the sun, but there is a clinical benefit to skin quality, microcirculation, and releasing nitric oxide. I do think there's a the marketplace, there's so many bad panels out there with horrible flicker rate.

Super high EMF, super toxic materials. I mean, companies that will not be here in a year. I promise you. So I always tell people, obviously, like, I love light path LED, but just do your research and don't put it on the healing hierarchy above the basic lifestyle things. I just I'll I say that all the time, but it is so important. That is not the thing you need to get over the mountaintop. Absolutely.

Dr. John Kim (34:01.004)
And and another thing that I like to use is the going back to my circadian abyss free, like I said, there's a luxe meter there. So you can actually look at how bright the indoor light is going to be. So making sure your indoor light is less than the luxe level of 10, so that's it doesn't affect your melatonin. Melatonin is really powerful in terms of cellular renewal and and also healing and increasing autophagy process in cellular renewal. This is what longevity medicine is all about, right? You have that mechanism already.

But another powerful ways of doing this is getting optimal sunlight, middle of the day, getting UVV. And especially anytime anything that's above 30,000, 10,000 lux outside, that's not only increases metabolism, but as you start to optimize that UVV, UVB, start producing melatonin intracellularly. It's not the pineal gland, it also produces intracellular as well. So that's an antioxidant.

It actually helps with the oxide of stress that's gonna be really impactful for you as well. So there's several tools that I'm listing out right now that is completely free that you could do right away.

Freddie Kimmel (35:07.628)
Let me ask you, I wanna I wanna do this. I wanna say one other thing is that in the biological blueprint, which is the online course that we do on beautifullybroken dot world, we do have this great slide. I wish this platform, this platform is terrible for sharing slides. It looks horrible on the recording, but I have that scale of a candle, a light bulb, the LED on your air purifier, like the different lux that all these things, the sun. And so we have this range of light.

And we're gonna have this beneficial range and we're gonna have this range that w inter interrupts melatonin production. And there's a range that helps make vitamin D. And there's a range that does skin damage. So it really does make sense when you understand this scope and the scale. And I just wanna reaffirm what you're saying. It's like really it's one of the things that my goodness, what have we taught that in grade school? Wouldn't that be brilliant?

Dr. John Kim (36:00.366)
Never. We're always indoors, so that's a problem.

Freddie Kimmel (36:03.808)
Redoing my whole I'm redoing my course so it can be continued education credits on a medical grade. And it's all validated and stuff. We got like 20 different doctors in there. I would love you to talk about detoxification in the course. Would be so honored. I want to talk about this idea, and and I've often felt this way in the toxic illness community, that so many of the tests, the the mycotoxin tests, the burden tests are

They feel like sales funnels to me to drive a patient to say, and I think it's nuanced, John. And I'd love your opinion on this. It's like, I don't see the literature where we have this cup of mold in me that I'm getting out. I don't see that it's like, cause people think that they're like, well, when I get the level down, then I'll be well. But in my experience, it's a subtle element that, and I think we've sort of said this, it is my body's unique.

Biological response to that mold. That's the long term problem. And we rarely talk about that because everybody says, I got to get rid of the mold. I got to get rid of the lime. I got to get rid of the mercury or the Babesia. It's taking something other than self that's hurting me, as opposed to the nuance of why am I responding that way? Because I know you've seen this. I've seen whole families test positive really high for Babesia.

And one kid is sick, everybody else is fine. They're functional. Let's say I'm probab sure there's work to do. What are your thoughts on that nuance? And when what about some of these tests where they're they're measuring your urine and they're like, this is what's bad.

Dr. John Kim (37:46.796)
Yeah. So first off, one of the things, the last part of my encore method is how do we enhance your resiliency? Right. So that's the part that I teach. The reason is you could do all the work, you could take all the supplements, but at the end, if you don't have the resiliency to handle your environment, what did you end up fixing? You still end up having to go back to square one having reactions to it. So this is the part that we really have to teach from the functional medicine side that

Functional medicines has become a big sales goal in terms of evolving customers or clients coming in, taking more supplements, taking more IVs and such, which is fine in certain cases, but you're targeting the wrong crowd and you you scare the shit out of them many times. And that's the that's the part that I don't really agree with. So going back to your point in terms of is a Euromactotoxin testing valid? And then is it the fact that is it's more in terms of having these people coming in to do additional sales?

If you put it that way, in certain cases, it can happen because obviously in terms of any sales, you want to get those customers coming in and increasing that. But here's the issue right now. Depending on the actual type of mold, in terms of how you treat the patient or how you help with the client clients in terms of doing mold detox, changes as well. I'll give you a perfect example. So let's just say you do a uramclotoxin testing through real-time lapse. You found that that you had a high levels of gliotoxin, which is comes from

Aspagillus. And that gliotoxin can actually not only impact your blood brain barrier, but also depletes your glutathione, but also actually increase your sulfur sensitivity and sulfur, you're not able to create the get the sulfur out correctly. And why she mentioned this part is that that's going to help dictate in terms of how I help you soluze that gliotoxin properly by utilizing different minerals like melodinin and as well as adding in bioflavonoids like.

Resveratral and tumeric, right? That's gonna all change. So it is a tool for me to look at how I approach this particular case, but it's never to a point in terms of utilizing that particular mold testing to say that, hey, you're having to do these things, you have this particular issue that you need to take all these supplements. The clinical aspect of it should be always assessing the patient based on the symptoms, and then based on the assessment that I'm seeing.

Dr. John Kim (40:11.814)
utilizing the labs to make sure what I'm assessing is correct. So I always looking at blood markers because blood numbers online and blood markers are really great for doing so. This the functional range that you want to look at. How optimally are they detoxing? I mentioned about the lipid panel in terms of giving me really the full story. Oftentimes when I see clients who dealing with high levels of mold issue, oftentimes their B12 level is elevated even though they're not taking any.

How? Mold. Yeah, it's mold. I hate to say that, but it's mold. So that's why we work on that client and looking at that blood markers. And then when I s suspect that that's mold.

Freddie Kimmel (40:53.496)
Can you say why why that elevated B marker comes up? Is there can you explain the pathophysiology of that process?

Dr. John Kim (41:00.268)
Yeah, it affects the gut microbiome and and these bacteria. Specifically, some of these bacteria end up having to produce the B12. Right? So that that's the major point of it. Why? Because it's trying to take care of the oxidative stress that's going on from the mold issue. So when the mold is present, the bacteria is going to do everything it can to mend the problem. So it's a beautiful balance.

Right. So just as what you mentioned, beautifully broken. Well, that's beautifully balanced and does how the body is doing to deal with that. Why is that the cholesterol level goes up when there's a presence of biotoxin and especially mold issues? It damages the cell membrane, body's mechanisms to do what? To mend that issue. Right? There's a reason why certain things happen in the body and then the blood market, especially looking at the functional ranges in the blood, it's gonna really help to show me what's going on.

So that's just this is when I end up having to say this is the proper time to doing urine mycotoxin to see how to dictate this recovery process. So I would I usually don't recommend doing urine mycotoxin until maybe four weeks of working together. So that's number one, because I want to look at your blood markers anyway. But the second thing is that oftentimes when you are chronically being exposed to mold, you don't release those in the urine, urine testing that well.

Freddie Kimmel (42:07.566)
Okay.

Dr. John Kim (42:20.77)
So when you're doing urine testing too early on, oftentimes I see the levels of mycotoxin very low. But when you start to suspect mold, instead of doing that, wait four weeks and do a provoke urine testing. So this is where utilization of certain minerals like molydonin, like I said, or utilization of bioflavonoids to help soluze the mold and then have it to do a collection about two to four weeks later.

That's the optimal way to do that. But I don't go, I don't just stop there. I also looking at organic acid testing as well. That's going to help me show how well your beta oxidation is working, how your amount of conduit is creating energy, any the nutrient deficiency you might be dealing with. Maybe you actually have a GI bacterial overgrowth. Maybe there is a suspected mold that that's not been caught correctly utilizing the uram mycotoxin testing. I want to look at how much of a cholera thin production you actually have. So all these things are.

tools to making sure what I'm suspecting is correct, but not to a driven point in terms of doing additional sales to drive that person to be working with me.

Freddie Kimmel (43:29.964)
Yeah, I I appreciate that. I appreciate the clarity. I really do appreciate the encore system. That's a great way to frame it. I've heard similar ways in which people navigate order of operations, but I often find that something as simple as that brings so much clarity to people that just see everything that's in front of them and it's very overwhelming. But that step by step process

In this world where we can right now I I I was talking to somebody about rhythm health and somebody asked, well, what about superpower? Well, what about function? And isn't it exciting? We can get all this information. And my first response is that with great power comes great responsibility. I find it's too much information. And it I if you don't have the training to yield that power, I think it can often drive people in the wrong direction. What do you think about this age and where everybody's starting to order their own labs?

and get their data directly to them.

Dr. John Kim (44:24.492)
My overall feeling, I think it's two ways of looking at it. One, it is a great tool to empower people to to take their health into their own their own power to do so. Unfortunately, with COVID happening for the and and the shit that was going on for the last five years, people are wanting to take that control back, which is good. Because even just doing a simple thyroid testing, full thyroid panel, for instance, conventional doctors refuse to run those.

Right. So if a person is suspecting that there's thyroid issues and they can't get the right help, what are they going to resort to? So this is where functional health and other lab companies are really helpful in doing so. However, what are you going to do with that information? That's the part that often miss. And so I one of the things that I teach clients that do not waste money unless you have a proper ways in terms of knowing how to interpret the data and as well as what are you going to do with that information as well. So this is the part where

People spending money unnecessarily without having proper planning. Right. So that's the part that I I don't agree with that they should be doing so. But another thing is, you know, oftentimes they interpret things incorrectly and just following numbers also. That's another issue with conventional medicine. Conventional medicine just follow numbers and based on those numbers, just give you pills. So again, proper planning matters, proper help that you need to work with a practitioner matters as well.

But also based on that information, what type of lifestyle change are you going to do? Are you going to take more supplements or you're going to do actual actual things that that's going to move the needle and impacting your resiliency that you want to create? And that's all goes out to that. And the last part, that also being that the reason that function health and everything else came to be is because Mark Hyman and all the other guys who are in the longevity space are doing that. What is your purpose of creating longevity in your life?

Everybody wants to live longer. Everyone should be the the tip top shape. But what is your overall goal at the end? Are you adding value in people's lives? Or are you just gonna be a whole and then just live a long life and doing nothing else? I mean, just you gotta be really mindful in just your purpose that you want to create in the life and creating value in people's lives as well. That's my point.

Freddie Kimmel (46:41.516)
My favorite quote is from my friend Dean Hall, who says, Purpose is the wind that fills the sail of your ship and drives you forward through the through the worst storm. Best And I was like it's so good. Yeah. It's so good.

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John, I wanna ask you just before we before we go here, I know we're getting the we're getting a little beyond an hour. Hopefully you got a couple of minutes to stay. You've talked a lot about your system and encore and EMDR and ways in which you work with people. Now I know you're getting ready to do some traveling here. Do you currently work with clients?

Dr. John Kim (50:29.831)
I do, thank you.

Dr. John Kim (50:41.442)
Yes, I do work with c clients one on one right now. I just recently had a a podcast interview that went viral and then I have so many people coming through. But I have a a wellness committee that's just built just now. So I have about two hundred and fifty members. So you could join that as well. I'm gonna have some online online resources that also helps you do it on your own. But I'm gonna open up the cohort of people into group coaching as well. So there's many ways to work with me.

Freddie Kimmel (51:05.624)
Yeah, it you know, that's always the thing. It's like I think I brought this up a couple of times. It's like the financial exhaustion associated with chronic looping or chronic illness, it really is chronic looping, that that people spin and we often don't get anywhere. So it's like, what is that affordable structure that provides the information and the clarity and the roadmap that is accessible? Do you know your average American who doesn't have a thousand bucks on their credit card? Yeah.

Dr. John Kim (51:33.016)
That's the saddest part that I I see. I mean, I'll give you perfect I'll give you my story. After my heart attack, I had to go through my Bartonell and the mold treatment that I had to go through. I spent $30,000 actually, wiped out my entire savings, unfortunately. But I I was willing to put that in just to get my life back. Cause I knew if I if I didn't fix this issue that that's gonna be much more deeper health issues, that's gonna create even more havoc and cost. So that's why I did that. But that was me, right? I'm also single.

I don't have any kids or or wife or anything else. Only thing I had to worry at that point in time was paying for mortgage. And then also at that point, I also started a holistic compounding pharmacy practice. And I was heavily in debt at the same time. Right. So everybody's different in that scenario. But one thing that I I I say is this we need to understand as a practitioner, understand what that person's wellness journey is and meet them there. Right.

We don't do that. We try to drag that patient into our protocol and system and then try to drag them through. The person's not ready for it. They can't respond to that. That's why when I see clients that are heavily impacted based on trauma and other issues, they're not the place and time to do any detox work. They should be working with an EMDS specialist where at least I teach them how to do heart coherency and doing so. I had a I have a perfect story. I have a this lady who's out of Houston, Texas, came in.

Mold issues, gut problem, but financially she was not ready to undertake that. But she had a very big issue with anxiety. It was affecting her. She was trying to control everything in the house as well. Story is that she lost her child when he was five years old, 18 years prior to meeting me. And she had this guilt the whole time. And to make sure her other kids were safe, she was completely controlled their lives.

And also affected her anxiety level, mental health, including her gut and the hormones. And I looked at her like, I don't think you're ready for it at this point to work with you, but at least I'll teach you how to do heart coherency breathing technique. Do this for six weeks and let's revisit. So she comes back in six weeks. She's a changed person. Her face is shining, her eyes are lit up, you know. And then she says, You know, the stuff that I used to worry about no longer bothers me anymore. And it's like, you know what happened?

Dr. John Kim (53:57.836)
My resting heart rate used to be 90 and it's down to 60. In six weeks, we didn't do anything else. Right? How is that happening? By creating that coherency state in the body, we're able to do so. And I just told you how to do it. It's free. You have a bunch of videos. You could go on YouTube and do heart coherency. If you want to buy the heart heart math devices, it's $20, $50. It doesn't cost that much.

But that's going to give you the most impact of how everything is happening. Because once you create that coherence in the body, your immune system, your heart, the way that your organs are functioning, everything else is going to be aligned better and you have better resiliency to handle the things that you're dealing with. That's including your illness. Right. So that's a powerful way of doing that.

Freddie Kimmel (54:48.248)
Yeah, beautifully said. Beautifully said. You know, one thing right now, I want to do this one. We'll do a little we'll throw a little tea to the shade on the internet right now. Like apparently, like the only thing you need right now in Austin, Texas to be well is you need to do the blood oil change. You only need to do plasmaphoresis. It's only twelve thousand dollars of treatment. You have to do three. And the story is, is that we take the last forty years of toxins out of your blood.

And and I just want to add my two cents as someone who has really lived in the science of physiology, the lymphatic system, from a drainage hierarchy, a majority of the cellular waste and toxins with bad membranes are not stored in the blood. It goes from the cell to the tissue to the lymph, then the circulation, then the organs of elimination. So it's always seen when I'm being marketed plasmaphoresis that the physiology.

Ain't mathing. What are your thoughts on this? Because it's everybody's going around the internet holding up their bags of forty years of toxins and it triggers me, John.

Dr. John Kim (55:59.066)
no, it it triggered me last time. So I made a video about it. I made a reactionary video of Joe Rogan holding up his plasmapharesis back. And I said, first off, there is no overall approval. And this is what a lot of clinic clinics do. They say that, it's approved by the FDA. FDA did not approve this at all. They use plasmaphrases in the ER. They do. It's an actual tool, but it was never meant to help you.

Detoxing mold or spike protein particle, spike protein, and all these different things. I've had clients doing plasmaphrases, and unfortunately, they spent all that money that got worse. The reason being is it also damaged the cell membrane. In order for people to detox very well, you need to have a well-functioning cell membrane. And detox also needs currency, and that currency is ATP. Where do you get that ATP from? Well functioning cell membrane and your mother.

Conjure functioning very well. How do you recharge that? Through sunlight, do proper eating, right? And then as well as adding in the healthy fats, especially essential fatty acid like linolake, alpha-linolic, and phospholipids are really key factors to help to support this process. So if you don't have that foundation, and if you decide to do plasmaphresis, you may feel better after spending $12,000, but you're going to go right back to square one, having the same issue again.

'Cause you didn't fix the actual root of the problem.

Freddie Kimmel (57:26.858)
Yeah, and environment first. Environment first. And I I want to say this too. I have practitioners that I love and it is part of their toolbox. But it's after somebody has gone in, done a devaluation, we've assessed the physiology, they've understand their nervous system tone, they've done biofeedback, and then they incorporate it and it's a very good treatment. It's very powerful, but it's context, right? It's contextualized on that body. And I would just offer this to everybody listening, like

If you can go in and just buy this service without a health inset for me, that's a that's a flag.

Dr. John Kim (58:04.374)
It's a flag. It's a huge flag. And I I see a lot of the influencers and and you know sales end up having to impact those people who are very vulnerable because they promise the entire world that if they if you spend this kind of money that you're going to be able to clear all these things out. Yeah, like I said, they do feel better, but they go right back to square one, having to be awful again. So that's why it's such an important part. But one of the point that you were mentioning about the lymph and how the toxins getting involved, toxins also

bind to the DNA. It's called the DNA adduct. So there's a particular test called IgL, it's the epigenetic testing through Germany. And that particular blood test is going to show us what type of toxins are embedded into the cell membrane, including the DNA. And oftentimes when you're dealing with heavy metals, mole toxins, BPA, triclosin, aluminum, all these things end up having to impact the cell mem cell membrane, including the DNA. So that epigenetic expression that gets faltered.

But another thing I want to, I'm gonna set up say a a fancy term. The protein misfolding occurs. And when you have a protein misfolding, this is where the disease state occurs as well. Right? So this is the part that plasma freezers do not fix. And unfortunately, a lot of the clinics who are doing these things do not really understand the context and how far.

toxins end up having to travel and affecting the cellular structure.

Freddie Kimmel (59:34.518)
Yeah, it's really it's really good information that I just I I hope people I hope you pause. It's always good to pause, take in a little more information, see where the story falls apart. I had no idea that a toxin could bind to the instruction code for the next version of me. I've never heard that before.

Dr. John Kim (59:56.674)
Yeah. So DNA ad that's what the DNA adduct is, but there's a thing called chemical chaperones that your body actually makes to get rid of those damages off the DNA. And that particular chemical chaperone is butyric acid. So your keystone bacteria is a bifidobacter, those bacteria produce butyric acid. It's called short chain fatty acid. And you could actually take that as a supplement. It's called a sodium butyrate.

The body bio actually makes one of those supplements. There's other products like tributyran as well that you could take, but butyric acid in general is a chemical chaperone, helps to relieve that issue away from the DNA. And then another powerful tool that helps to reverse the protein misfolding is TATKA, TU D C A. It's a secondary bile salt, but it helps to relieve the protein misfolding. So what I'm doing is basically trying to fix the cell cellular damage.

within the DNA, within the cells, so this way you get the perme fix you're looking for. That's why when I look at my encore method, the C portion is these these are the exact things that I actually implement. Why I want to get those issues permanently resolved so this way you're able to create better resiliency state at the end. So you don't have to rely on me anymore. And one of the funny thing that I teach my clients is this, at some point, I don't want to ever see you again. Not because I don't like you. You gotta be done with this shit.

Go live your life. Like, don't stop relying on more detox work. It's just not it's not for you. It's a short burst of detox. You shouldn't be doing detox every single day. It's the craziest thing that they're still selling right now. Or telling people that you should take take binders every single morning. There's one guy, I'm not gonna mention name. He gets on and is like, you know what I do when I come in the morning? I take my binders every morning. I'm like, what? Why? I don't know. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:58.05)
Glad I I'm so I listen after almost 300 episodes, John. You're gonna be around 300. It's I'm amazed. I'm amazed. I'm so lucky that I made it through with the ability to like cut the tethers to the dogma because it's very alluring information. Yeah. But I see people like get stuck in the jar. And I'm like, you can't read the label from the jar you're stuck in.

And I'm listening to them regurgitate these. I'm like, you heard this. I know exactly who you're who you heard this from. And you're so spounded that it's true. You know, the the big I've said this before, the big criticism I get from like my like people that are trying to help me grow, they're like, You're too philosophical. You need to be more like definitive, like these are the three things, or this is the I'm like, that's not how it works. I can't make that video.

There aren't three things. There's no supplement. There's no like I c I can't give you a core four for humans. It's gonna be selective and different in the season of your life. It's all gonna change.

Dr. John Kim (01:03:02.86)
Yeah. And that's the reason why I said, like, as a practitioner out there, any any practitioner out there, we have to really understand what that patient's journey is and meet them there. Seriously. That's how you're able to get get that through. And that's you as a clinician humbling your ass down and then really realizing that you're not a God anymore. You really have to understand respecting the person and walking that through. That's where the healing starts.

Freddie Kimmel (01:03:28.536)
Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. Awesome, man. I'm so fired up. I wanna have you back on when you're back from your travels.

Dr. John Kim (01:03:35.234)
Yeah, absolutely. We'll do in person next time.

Freddie Kimmel (01:03:38.19)
I love it. I love it. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah. Working on some cool stuff. Thank you so much. Where can people follow and find and support you, John?

Dr. John Kim (01:03:46.722)
Yeah, absolutely. I have a website, drjonkim dot com. And then you could actually join my wellness community there and have wealth information that's gonna be posted more and more. As well as you can find me on Instagram is john dot farmd, p-h-r-m D.

Freddie Kimmel (01:04:02.126)
Awesome. So appreciative of this time with you. And I'm so man, what a story. It's so good. It's so good. We will do an episode two. I will talk to you soon. Big love, everybody. Thank you.

Freddie Kimmel (01:04:18.766)
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