Hyperbaric vs. Nanobubble Therapy: Boost Oxygen, Heal Faster w/ Bimini Hydrotherapy
Aug 04, 2025
WELCOME TO EPISODE 253
Discover the game-changing world of nanobubble oxygen therapy with Jason Applewhite from Bimini Hydrotherapy! In this episode of Beautifully Broken, host Freddie Kimmel chats with Jason about how Bimini's devices deliver oxygen through your skin via tiny nanobubbles—2,500x smaller than a skin pore—while you soak in a bath or foot tub.
Say goodbye to claustrophobic hyperbaric chambers! Learn why nanobubbles could be a superior alternative for athlete recovery, chronic illness (like Lyme, mold, neuropathy, and Alzheimer's), inflammation reduction, better sleep, and even skin health. Jason shares pro athlete stories (e.g., NFL stars like Derek Henry), comparisons to HBOT and EWOT, and how Bimini stacks up against competitors like Cocoon.
Episode Highlights
[00:00] What is nano bubble oxygen therapy and why it matters
[02:59] Why Amazon’s review system doesn’t guarantee supplement quality
[04:01] Freddie’s experience with Lyme and the promise of localized oxygen delivery
[08:28] How oxygen therapy upregulates lymphatic drainage
[10:31] How technology shifts state—but lasting change needs your participation
[18:33] Comparing bath-based nano oxygen vs. hyperbarics and EWOT
[24:00] Making oxygen therapy more accessible with footbaths
[27:08] Bath #1: The surprising systemic effects Freddie noticed
[32:39] When to expect deeper benefits—timeline of results
[41:52] Breath-holding, eye immersion, and getting creative with therapy
[44:54] The power of footbaths for seniors or limited mobility users
[50:39] Freddie’s dream wellness stack and why oxygen must be in the mix
[53:48] Competitor shoutout: Cocoon’s cancer focus and industry evolution
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FULL EPISODE INTERVIEW
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Freddie Kimmel (00:00.366)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. Jason, I you. I have you in my phone is Jason Bimini. Okay. That's why I'm in many phones is Jason Bimini. think that's why I text people like Jason Bimini is like, is that your last name? Just the company.
just the company. tell me about let's just jump in there. Tell me what what is what's the Bimini? What's the Bimini device, the technology, technology, our devices, created a technology that delivers oxygen through your skin while you soak in water. So whether whether that be a bathtub, foot soaked, a hot tub, even pool, we have this nano bubble device that breaks down oxygen bubbles into nanoparticle sizes. So they're about less than
0.1 microns, is about 2,500 times smaller than the skin pore. So these oxygen bubbles are able to easily profuse through the skin while you comfortably soak in a bath. So most people have taken baths before. So it's an easy tool to kind of use. We first started with like a lot of pro athletes and they were, you know, doing hyperbaric chambers or they knew the benefits of oxygen. And now they're like, well, I take a bath, you know, before bed, like, I can just implement this in my routine. We're like, yeah. And so that's been a...
been a good road. let's talk about water bubble size. So point one microns. Yeah, believe I'm trying to think is a red a red blood cell is five microns. Yeah. So I think it's about seven times smaller than red blood cell. Wow. Yeah. I do the math. Check us on that. But that's okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it is it is much smaller than like the red blood cells themselves.
And so they're easily, easily able to kind of go through the skin pores, which are much larger into this bloodstream and soft tissue. Yeah. So lot of like a lot of ailing problems were say we'll use athletics, for example, or chronic illness or inflammation, especially in your extremities, because you're using the blood flow to get oxygen to that source. And now we're taking oxygen straight there. We're not limited on, you know, the lung capacity to get oxygen flowing. And then especially if there's a lot of bruising there with broken capillaries, it limits that certain blood flow.
Freddie Kimmel (02:15.854)
Yeah. Yeah. There's so many, there's so many different angles that I could enter this conversation of my personal desire. Somebody who had been through Lyme and mold, the small joints in my hands and feet were what always took a lot of the damage. So it was really interesting to me to start reading about this therapy. And I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute. I can, I can bypass the blockade and I can spot treat with oxygen, which
We could have the conversation. That's what we're doing with a hyperbaric chamber, right? We're systemically, we're pushing oxygen into the tissue. What's your level, of expertise on hyperbarics? Yeah, to a degree, I'm not an expert, but I still know that it uses a lot of the lung capacity, because it's pressurizing the lungs to a certain atmospheric pressure to further disperse it through the body. So you can get more oxygen, similar to like VASPR.
exercising on pure oxygen is just helping you get more pure oxygen, but it's still having to go through the lungs and out through the rest of the blood vessels into the capillaries, into the feet or soft tissue. Whereas, you know, we're, I think the only other technology, there's a few other nanobubble technologies out there. You know, obviously, Cocoon, most people have heard of them if they're in the kind of cancer space, they started in cancer. We started in professional athletes and the kind of word merging.
to a degree, but they, but yeah, it's, it's a technology that now it's, not invasive in now by soaking in water, you can take an oxygen. that's the main difference I'd say from a hyperbaric chamber where it's using a pressurized chamber or a vessel to pressurize more oxygen into you. We're using water as that transport medium for these oxygen bubbles. Is there a way to, and you know how, you know, we always want to have that conversation. It's like, can we,
Can we have a conversation and try to remove some of the marketing? Because, you know, I can only imagine this is a scenario where people will put up like a comparison chart. You're like, here's what hyperbaric does. Here's what water does. Here's what exercise with oxygen therapy. we kind of have these three or we could say four, right? You could breathe with the nasal cannula. Yeah. Or breath work. So I'd say anything, anything dealing with more helping get more supplement, more oxygen in the body is always beneficial.
Freddie Kimmel (04:37.774)
to degree, right? Like, obviously, you can have oxygen toxicity, if you're breathing pure oxygen for 24 hours straight. So that's where you don't need too much drinking water without, you know, nutrients and everything else that you need. So yeah, it's a good finding that good balance of okay, here's where my body is at, and I need to supplement oxygen because I'm either on getting older on a hypoxic curve where you have less oxygen flowing through your body, more and more chronic inflammation starts creeping in or
or you're an athlete and you have like the insane metabolic rate and you're breaking down your muscle fibers so much that you need them to repair faster. And you have all this lactic acid buildup and you need to flush that out with oxygen. And so what we created of these devices, I can just say it's another tool to help supplement oxygen into your body. is there a way as a consumer to say, what would the, did the value propositions differ from exercise with oxygen to hyperbaric to the
to the Bimini or, or nano bubble therapy. Is there a way to compare? Yeah. I mean, obviously people look at costs first. So there's different costs differences, some hyper barrier, like the good ones. I mean, they're up there and price. mean, I wouldn't say ours is the most inexpensive product either. but it's just, yeah. Yeah. And then beyond that, it's just the ease of use of it. A lot of every customer we've had that have done hyperbaric chambers, they're like,
I just liked how comfortable this modality was because it's like me taking a bath with bubbles. So it doesn't feel any different. where some people might feel like, you know, claustrophobic or whatever else in the hyperbaric chamber or just uncomfortable or concerned about safety. Now by just, Hey, if I can sit in water, whether my full body or soaking my lower legs in water, yeah. And to get that oxygen that I need.
Uh, we've seen a lot of cases like neuropathy where you just get limited blood flow to your feet. So they're just soaking their feet and getting the oxygen they need and they're getting those feelings back. Yeah. Um, so yeah, a lot of different, I mean, if you put it on a chart, like price, uh, usability, I think we are, and how many sessions you have to do. So HBOT is like a 69 minute session. We're cutting that in half, like 30 to 45 minute sessions in a comfortable body of water from 80 to 98 degrees.
Freddie Kimmel (07:03.052)
So 80 to 98 degrees, we're cutting the session in half. You're saying more like 30 minutes, 30 minutes. Yeah. 30, 45 minutes. Like we have some guys go an hour. If there's like the blue hamstring or they're coming off an ACL injury or there's major inflammation present, but for the most part, yeah. 20 to 45 minutes sessions is like an average. And so walk us back there a little bit. And when you say 30 to 45 minutes, does that mean we've reached saturation within the body? And we said,
Here's we benchmark a level where the therapy is definitely kind of the body doesn't need anymore at this point. Yeah. So we've used a cerebral axiometers and the SMO to saturated muscle oxygen meters on muscle. It's different than pulse off. Most people are familiar with pulse ox, which they put on their finger and then they can see their oxygen levels going up. Usually if you're not at altitude at a range, you know, in the high nineties. So it's hard to tell, but when you actually go to the muscle, what we found is, especially as you age,
like a 67 year old will have like 40 to 50 % oxygen in their quad muscle versus a 20, 30 year old will have, a lot more like 89%. So that's why we call it Bimini is we say Ponce de Leon never found the fountain of youth, but we created it with our oxygen nanobuffles because we're taking those oxygen levels back to when you were younger and saturating the muscle. and so, yeah, yeah, I don't know. what'd you.
The first one. No, that was, that was really great. I just said standardizing that treatment time and understanding why we come to that conclusion of 30 to 45 minutes. So after the year, you did the SMO too. Uh, we figured out that it takes about 10 minutes for the oxygen to get through the dermal layer. So that's when we start seeing it a little corporation, like it creeps up and then it kind of starts to plateau and then you get full saturation after that 10 to 15 minutes of sitting there. So we recommend at least minimum 20. So you get like full saturation for like five minutes.
up to about 30, 45 minutes. And so you can kind of extend like that. And then we've had people do an hour and a half, two hours at that point. You know, I wouldn't say there's diminishing returns. It's just not as effective as that. That sweet spot of 30 minutes to an hour. I would also say that, you know, for thinking about the body as an intelligent machine, we're going to give it this new information. And then you, we let the body run, right? You let, you know, you're one of, one of my favorite things about the, um,
Freddie Kimmel (09:27.138)
what I want to say the potential of this technology, you do so much for lymphatics when you up regulate oxygen in the body. So you set the field for an optimal drainage. if I were, if I had my magic wand and I could send somebody to a clinic specifically with a chronic illness, mold, Lyme, fibromyalgia, ideally I would get them on an oxygen therapy first and then you get them into a flopressin. Now you can do that through breathing techniques,
You can also do something known as like a 10 to 11 day protein fast, which decreases that protein burden within the body. That changes the properties of lymphatic flow, but to do a bath and then to go in a flowpresso. And now we're talking, my goodness, you you're, you're 30 minutes, you're 40 minutes. Now you're, you're, you're under an hour and a half for this really, really powerful treatment.
And this is where the promise of technology can save us so much time functionality, meet the body where it's at, alleviate some pain and suffering. It's a really, really powerful stack, which I'm, yeah, really excited to talk about my experience over the last week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can dig into that. then, yeah. So, that's just when we came out with this tool, we're like, okay, we can help. Well, I'll tell you the story of how we came out with this product. Just kind of back up before you get into, let's do it.
So yeah, so we created Bimini. So my background was product development and I was helping companies kind of develop products, whether it be a fortune, like Dell here in Austin, we were helping them make the new laptops, tablets. We had added the manufacturing where we would print the prototype out quickly, get it back to them. And then they were off to the races. So we'd have people come in with napkin drawing, say, hey, can you help me make this product? I have this idea. And so we do that. And doctor came in and said, hey, I have this device that can help break down.
you know, gas bubbles, whether it be oxygen, carbon dioxide, ozone, anything. And, he was using it for industrial applications, fish farms, wastewater treatment, swimming pools, removing chlorine and stuff forth. And so we helped to make it more effective and efficient with our design. We, he was like 10 different pieces into one, and we just made it into one piece and, we were off to the races. So that was back in like, like right before COVID hit. he started using it.
Freddie Kimmel (11:47.118)
I using it all these industrial applications, fish farms, agriculture. And then we started to test the, like pretty much little prototype in our office where we just test different things and test, use our nano site to test how small our bubbles are, what our concentration was. And then my dad had this planner's fasciitis really bad. And he was like, got to the point where he couldn't really walk much and he couldn't do, you know, he's like, man, my feet are killing me.
And so he just started soaking his feet in the bucket. He's like, let's see if these oxygen nanobulbs can help. And, uh, it started helping him like where the pain would next day after he sleeps, next day it would be gone and it would last for four days. And he did it again and then it lasts for four days. And it became like a way of life for him. goes, if we can help me walk with no pain, like we need to help more people. Like let's help put this out to the world. And then that's when we started developing our first product, which was the nano jet pro.
partnered with Rice University, it a local university in Houston to do some of our sports science studies. yeah, we were thinking mainly on the sports science side to help tend in soft tissue recovery. And then we went down the path and got more doctors involved in the functional medicine space and chronic illness and from Alzheimer's to diabetes and all these other conditions where hypoxia kind of really sets in and that doesn't allow, you know, the body to replenish and even detox itself properly.
And so now, yeah, now we're on this journey of, you know, getting the message out about how it's helping so many different people, not just from our pro athletes, from the NFL, NBA, soccer, we have every league Olympians using it, but now to like, there's more everyday people that are just living with pain, right? So trying to make solutions, coming out with new products that they can use comfortably in their home so they can empower themselves to, to, live a better life. Right. That's right. That's right. I think that.
you know, I'm in a bubble, right? Jason's been in the house. He's seen, he's like, my God, the toys you have here. You did tell me my house is cooler than Gary Rackett's as far as It is cool. Yeah. Yeah. He's got, he's got a nice overview of the ocean, you have, that's true. That's Really some incredible things. was like, man, you could start charging people just to come through here. You know what we, we, we, honestly, it's a, it's a community space.
Freddie Kimmel (14:05.772)
because I advocate for the things on the podcast and we do like pretty much every Sunday we have a sauna, we have a sweat, the audience knows this, but we'll fire up the amp coils and the PMF devices and the red lights and people want to get in flowpresso. They want to do shockwave therapy and, and it would, love about it. And we don't, we don't charge, we don't run a business, but it's, it's a joy to see people's faces when they walk out, they say, my God.
I can't believe this exists and you can feel like this and it's just, it's amazing. So it, it, it fills my, my sale with a lot of purpose. Yeah. Everybody's looking for a purpose. And when you find that like, it like we did, you did and like helping get these tools and technologies out there to more people. It's like makes every day easier. Yeah. Like I set you up with a, a demo so you can start trying it for a week, week and a half and uh,
Yeah, he put me in the flowpresso suit. after I set it up, he's like, Hey, come try the flowpresso. And I did like a 45 minute session. was great. Cool. Right. Yeah. And they're all different. Right. So it's like, you know, and, and everything here's what technology does for me. I can shift your state. can put you in a different state, you know, and I have my, I've worked with enough people over the last, you know, last 10 years or whatnot. And, and from a very rudimentary experiment where I had a EWOT machine,
and an Ozo machine in 2010 in New York to today where I have like a full lab, we can always change the state. But creating lasting change, this is where you need that participant on board is as my dance teacher used to say, I need you as a participant in your own improvement. I can't do it for you. need you to, so we can make that person thirsty with the experience of the shift. And then how do you integrate that into the daily lifestyle? Like eventually to get rid of the.
Tendinopathy or the the Achilles tendon pain we have to change movement patterns You have to change the calf you might have to change your shoes might have to change the lectins in your diet I don't know we could build a real wild list But most people aren't clear on what these are and I think as a concierge or a consultant This is where it's like I love to help people sort these problems out and again, like I don't I said this to you. I haven't pulled an oxygen thing like full
Freddie Kimmel (16:28.194)
I haven't put it on the pedestal of the podcast. love hyperbaric, but I've always felt in my, I've always, I've always been butthurt about the price. I've always been like, why has it got to be 20s? And I understand the investment and I understand the science of extending quality of life and DNA repair. And I do love the hyperbaric, but I haven't loved, I haven't been in a chamber that I've loved.
definitely feel claustrophobic in a hard shell. definitely do. I'm and I there's some I want to try out my friend. Dr. Ryan has a wonderful company and the movement clinic pain clinic in Utah, they make a chamber which it looks really great. So there's like room to like work in there with a laptop. But it's the time it's the time in the application, my doctor had one but I drive a half hour there. We were waiting for the
chamber to pressurize, then 90 minutes, then you get out. It's half a day. Right. And this again, like the thing I'm excited about is like a 20 minute bath. We could get to muscle, muscle saturation. And I just want to go back and just bookmark this. So for my head, I sort of did this team as I say, I go through and how would I compare this? How do I help you as a consumer? The safety profile on a warm bath is.
We can't contest that. We just had a person, this is, we're recording this, whatever, July 14th, 15th, a person passed away last, a doctor, trained doctor. there was another hyperbaric fire and there was one six months ago where a child died, both some sort of an internal fire. was a spark pressure, oxygen. do the math. and that's, that's definitely something to, I think they're safe. It's definitely something to consider.
I'll tell you what, as a home user, I'm more and more I'm like, let's, let's see what the promises of this warm bath. So safety profile, the costs were like a third or half or even less than that. we've got the, we got accessibility again, like if you think about age demographics and a person like actually setting themselves up in their own hyperbaric, it's not so likely, whereas pretty much most people are going to be able to get in a warm bath.
Freddie Kimmel (18:49.806)
And then the only thing that I think is like gray, and I don't think anybody could do this yet. Like if we had, um, a way to compare the outcomes as far as like longevity, DNA repair, you know, we talk about these telomere lengths. Yeah. So that's all stuff that we could use because hyperbarics came out and what the eighties. they're like definitely further along the way we are in the space. That's right. So now it's like, I was catching up like, okay.
we're focused on this area, this area, we can do a study here, study here, and then kind of get to a point where we can do more and more of these studies to kind of show the real differences between hyperbaric chambers and what we're doing in water. yeah, so I'm excited to kind of get there. And right now we're focused on a lot of like a product development, coming up with more solutions so more people can do it. So if you're older in a wheelchair, can't get in the bath, now you can soak your feet and like a foot tub type solution.
Working on a few different options there. Tell me before I go in again, just talking about my experience over the last week and, I was so guys, I was so diligent with this. was literally like two a day. My girlfriend's like, what are you doing? Why are you in a bath in the morning? Why are you taking your coffee in the bath? like, I'm experimenting the, the idea that we can treat portions of the body and get a systemic benefit. Can you talk a little bit about that? You have some clinics doing just foot baths.
Yeah. So we, uh, at first when we started it, we're like, all right, it's like spot treating. Like my dad's was a foot and it was his feet were in it. But now we, uh, then we had doctors like soaking the feet and then they were doing PMF previously, but now they were pairing the two and like a labrum injury reduced the amount of time he was out or injured. And so he was like, Hey, I think there's oxygen getting up there. And then we started doing cerebral tests and had
Alzheimer's clinics calling us like, we need to oxygenate the brain and help do this and that. So they're soaking their feet and then getting benefits on the, Alzheimer patients and getting more cognitive response. And so now we know like not only spot treating like the actual tissue, but getting into the bloodstream and helping it get throughout the rest of the body is a, then we, we didn't know it when we were creating the technology that we would have more impacts like that. So, yeah, yeah. Getting oxygen in.
Freddie Kimmel (21:14.062)
And through the feet, which is the feet are interesting because, um, yeah, you detox a lot through your feet. Obviously you sweat and there's different glands. Um, but yeah, yeah. Getting oxygen in and, um, helping those areas to benefit. But, uh, when, one side effect that we found out is it really helps with toe fungus and like athletes foot, like a lot of people couldn't get rid of it. And then we're using all these different things. And, uh, like a lot of things that grow in anaerobic environments.
like fungus or other things that we can talk about. Um, when we oxygenate, it helps to kind of strip all those, that area of in a rhombic environment, put oxygen in there and it completely does away with it. And so it's like completely gone. And which is one of those things is hard to, so like finding out little things like a doctor will call us like, Oh man, I had this patient with ALS. He couldn't move his hands. He had fungus growing his hands, but he soaked his feet and then his fungus in his hands got started going away and he started getting color back. Wow. I was just soaking his feet.
Yeah. So hearing more of these stories of doctors, cause they have seen more of these chronic patients than what we do in our demo room. Right. We mainly get a lot of athletes and some other people, but they're seeing like real problems of people that are living in chronic pain daily, like hundreds at a time. And so they, they give us, you know, updates like Dr. Noah's a good friend of ours in here in Austin. And he's been using our system for almost a year now.
he's gotten incredible results on different people from neuropathy to the people with ALS, just big mobility and, um, yeah, things that he didn't think would happen. He was like, I mean, when it comes down to God gave us oxygen, water, light to really start healing ourselves. So when you supplement light, get more sunlight, vitamin D, hydrate, get the necessary water, and then you supplement with oxygen, whether it be breath work or to a more larger degree of
oxygenating yourself with nano bubbles, it's just helping the body, using the tools that God gave us to kind of help the body heal itself. So that's why we say we just created a tool that kind of helps oxygenate the body to help the body do the healing. Yeah. That's, that is the theme of the show. That's the theme of the show. I, yeah, I couldn't, I think it's one of those things where if you don't have oxygen as a therapy in your clinic and you are
Freddie Kimmel (23:38.542)
trying to move people forward. think there's a huge, huge missed opportunity. And the only thing that I will tell you is initially I was like, you know, it's kind of limiting because once you bring a bath, right, once you bring a bath into a treatment clinic, now you need a shower. Now you need a towel service. Now you need yada yada. The idea that you can do the foot baths or have multiple foot baths going. I'm imagining there's some type of, some, some doctors should be really smart and they should, cause you,
I can do a bathtub in 10 minutes. I should be able to do an elongated foot bath where maybe I've got four or five different feet in there. Right. Yeah. So we started with, we did like a lot of agricultural stuff. So we set up a big pod of our oxygen nanobubbles. And then we have these drip lines going out to all the different plants and we've like 30 % higher yield on the crop. So we can do the same thing. We have a doctor in Louisiana, Dr. Chris Cormier, and you can feed it to different tubs. And then we're coming out, you know, we'll be coming out with this other foot.
foot tub system where it's kind of embedded in it. And so imagine you have a clinic lined up with IVs or red light and you, people can sit in a chair really easily, even more simply than the bathtub. And so you have them all lining up, getting an IV or other work done while they're taking in oxygen. Really, really smart. Really, really smart. And so I think it's the promise of this application that just gets me stoked. And I also say that
Um, one show you, you guys should be at the, I know you do some conferences. I would love to see you at the, big, uh, ILADS conference about for Lyme disease. Um, I will give you the, I'll give you the information. think it's in October. We're definitely going with flowpresso. Okay. But man, talk about a great conference because this is a, I know so many people are, they're always trying to pull together money for a chamber as part of their Lyme protocol because there's so much.
cognitive dysfunction, there's so much chronic pain. There's a contraction within that nervous system that's like in a freeze. And this is one way we can get that therapy and really easy. One of our customers, Dr. Stephanie Canestro, she's out of Toronto. I know Dr. Stephanie, know, she's great. She's amazing. I actually met up with her in Austin at the conference. But so she went through a bad Lyme disease about herself. And so she got the system, the Bimini NanoJet system for her.
Freddie Kimmel (26:00.75)
And then she started using it she's like, my Lyme kind of residual effects went away. And then she deals a lot with NHL hockey players and a bunch of chronic, she, her clinics, the Vegas clinic. Uh, so she focused a lot of the nerve system and how to repair the nerve system that, know, everything kind of stems from the brain. Right. So when you have these disconnects, repairing those kind of helps the rest of the body. Um, and so she's got like all her NHL hockey players using it and then a bunch of her chronic patients. She's like,
Hey, I'm giving you this protocol and I feel like you really need this as part of what you're doing. Cause like you said, when you oxygenate, it just kind of helps get that body rejuvenated and what it needs to kind of do everything else that we're doing around it. I literally have a guy who I ran a consultant. he, did an application to do consulting. Like this is like eight months ago and we were talking about his, his wife is early onset dementia.
cognitive issues and he was looking at some different oxidative therapies and I was just like, I was like, I gotta call this guy. So I'll talk a little bit about my experience. I will tell you that I'm pretty well versed in this field. Literally bath number one. Like I could feel, it's really interesting. I can always notice it in my lymph. I can feel my tongue, the base of my tongue and my tonsils start to buzz.
And that's how know it's systemic. I know it's systemic and the, my therapy I've been doing twice a day. I've been doing in the morning cause I'm just like, I'll fill the tub halfway. I'll take the puppy for a walk. I'll come back. I'll do half of my morning coffee in the tub. And I've caught some phone calls with people while I'm in the tub and both people have been like, what are you on? I was like, I'm in a bathtub with nanobubbles. They're like, you are on fire. And I was like,
I know. I was like, I know. was like, really, I really miss having oxygen in my life. I had an EWOT machine up in, I had one in New York, transported to Connecticut. It's just beat up. It's ugly. takes up a lot of space. I haven't loved, I didn't love the design of it initially. And you know, we periodically have one set up here, but it's packed away right now. Man, and I just realized it was like, Holy shit. I really miss this.
Freddie Kimmel (28:22.412)
I really miss this. I've been on, you know, I think I've said I'm probably 30 flights in the last six months. And I've just really been feeling the last, the last four weeks, I've been really feeling like I hit the wall and this was a perfect reset on the back of a vacation to Montana. Perfect. I noticed stimulation within the lymphatic system, definitely neurocognitive. And I'd say the very first bath, because we were away in Montana, lots of hiking, lots of walking, just.
you know, up and down on a couple of plane rides, man, the, the, the stiffness from that was immediately gone. Didn't come back. I would say the other thing that I have noticed is sleep. Yeah. Like the last four nights. what we say. Our best side effect is sleep. Yep. Yeah. Cause yeah, we, you know, the first telltale of people when they get in, it's like, Hey, when you get in,
most people don't feel anything right away because oxygen has to get in and do it. mean, some people that are really in tune with their bodies can tell or they have a lot of inflammation. That inflammation will start to kind of go down. for the most part, if you're somewhat healthy, you like won't really, you're like, it feels like, you know, I'm getting out of hot tub or whatever. But, um, but yeah, you get out. We always want to call like, Hey, call us the next day. Let us know. Like, how you feel. The first thing they always call us up and say, Oh my gosh, I haven't slept like that in years. I haven't slept like that since I was a baby or whatever.
and yeah, that's the main thing is like, cause when you oxygenate and get that brain, oxygenated, just helps set you into that circadian rhythm of sleep and hitting those rim cycles and like a deep, deep sleep. And what we say is like anything that can help you sleep better, do it because that's when your body is healing. is everything. because you need that rest period for your body to rejuvenate itself. that's so all our athletes will always do a session before their competition the day before.
So say they have a race, had a Hunter Woodall, he is a Paralympian gold medalist. He just broke his world record this last weekend. He got in the night before the day of, you still have the oxygen kind of just circulating and it delays the lactic acid buildup. So you were like, on on not only cognitively, but your muscles are just firing. so we've had offense alignment that say, you know, in fourth quarter, I'm usually gas or winded.
Freddie Kimmel (30:42.73)
And now I'm like running down the field and getting fumbles and my wide receiver did. And like, wouldn't have been able to do that before. Yeah. And so hearing stories like that is those where I say, Hey, give it, you know, through the night into the next day. You usually can really feel it. Yeah. Feel it then. What about timeline? Do you find that people after a week or two weeks or after three months that they're noticing different things unravel or we'll say peel back from the onion? Yeah. I mean, yeah, really everybody's body's different. It's hard to like say like exactly, but I'll say like,
One of our good friends, Jay Campbell, he's, call him the peptide king because he's got this bio longevity labs. He's big peptides. He, put our system in his, in his bathroom and made it his bathtub pretty much our tub or an all emergent tub. And so he does it like you'd do 20 minutes in the morning, 20 minutes in the, evening. And he's like, just like you were traveling a lot. goes, I'm from here, here, here. He goes, I've worked out my whole life and I've been going to my Kairos. They do all this stuff, but I, after I've been using this.
Like I feel like I'm getting better workouts and I would go to the Kairos and they're like, dude, what are you on? Because your muscles are just so soft and smooth. There's no nodding up going on. None of that. Things happening. And then mentally he just like, I just feel like I'm, he's always kind of like amped up. was like, Jay's like very animated and ready to go, but he's like, it's helping him to kind of get to another, another level.
when people are already stacked like that and then you help them to another degree, it's like incredible. Cause like, I know with everything you have down here, you're like, your body's already like, you know, in a good place. so, but hearing that, cause you just told me, you told me before we got on here, but how you felt or what you experienced, but it's incredible to hear that. Yeah. And I am, I'm very sensitive. You know, I'm, I'm always tell people I'm the perfect.
Canary to test out tech for you because I am tapped into when something shifts. Even if I'm doing a couple things that are integrated, that are new into the flow right now, and I am, I got a great peptide stack, but I also know what the limitations are. like, I have been doing that. And it's still been hard to wind down. I'd say that again, with Jay or myself or like a Gary Brekka archetype,
Freddie Kimmel (33:03.31)
When you're on and you're always in creation, when you're moving and shaking, the nervous, you're not breathing, right? And I think that oxygen, it's just, okay, here's my time to breathe and the bathtub. So for me, it's been a nice practice, the practice of, I'm going in there to bubble. Maybe I listen to a financial report, but I'm usually not doing much. It's time kind of.
off the treadmill. And I love a warm bath. I that's, you know, I think it's, it's just fit really well, the practice. Yeah. And then the, like the difference between just a regular bath and what we're doing is, cause my dad, was, he grew up all my life. He was in a bathtub like before he went to bed. Like he's like used to hot warm bath. people are always asking like, Hey, what's the difference between like this and just like take going in a hot tub or getting in and just heating up your body so it can circulate better.
it's a big difference between just constricting blood flow and expanding it. Like, you know, the cold, a hot contrast, because what we're doing differently is just actually embedding more oxygen and not just restricting and then expanding blood vessels. So you get more flow of the blood, but actually taking in more oxygen through these nanobubbles into your skin. that's people that,
We'll say, let me, you know, I want to try it. I take a bath every night and you know, it helps me feel good. They'll feel like an extra extra because they're like actually getting more oxygen in their bath. So we've had a lot of, a lot of, brought that up because we've had a lot of questions about, how's this different than just, you know, taking, you know, going to a hot tub.
Yeah, it's different. I can tell you it's different. Yeah. Cause you've done baths before and you're like, I'm like a hot, like I literally searched hotels with hot tubs. Like hot tubs is my favorite thing now. And it helps. That'll help you relax. Obviously. It helps you kind of wind down. Um, but it's like, it's not getting you those full benefits with the oxygen. I tell you the one thing I think about in Austin, the water table in Texas is terrible. So if you go to ewg.org and you put in your zip code and you want to look up
Freddie Kimmel (35:16.374)
different things in your water. It's horrendous. But I use a reverse osmosis in the kitchen. We have a shower filter in there, but I don't have a bathtub filter. We got to invent that. Yeah. Unless you're a house, right? Unless you get a whole house filter. Yeah. There's a few options out there. A whole house filters, things that you could put on your bathtub nozzle. Yes. I've seen those. Yeah. It's kind of like...
Yeah, I mean, I think that that's the one thing I'd say to add on and just be aware what's in your water table. Because again, we're opening these pores in skin. What are we absorbing? So yeah, yeah, you start with good water quality if you can. Like you don't want to be bathing in a lot of chlorinated water or hard water. if you can have, you know, somehow a whole house system or something on your tub where it filters out a lot of that. Yep. What are the longevity timelines on a machine like this? Like how
What's the estimation, how long they last, what about servicing? yeah. So yeah, so every machine comes with like a one year warranty and then there's extended warranties out there. So we've had like machines out there in the field for about five years. And so the main thing that needs to be changed out after about a year, year and a half is the sieve bed, which is a nitrogen filter. It's filtering out the nitrogen to make pure oxygen, just like what is in most every oxygen concentrator. So over time there's a degradation because
You know, we're introducing some humidity and so it goes from 99 % pure oxygen in 98, 95, 90. And then what we're finding is about a year, year and a half after using it for about 150 hours. Yeah, it'll start to degrade. So it's like a little canister that you just kind of pop out and then pop the other one in. Easy to do. Yeah. Yeah. Great. So I just did one at Dr. Noah's last morning. What was my other question for you?
The scale of these, obviously I've got one that really does look like an oxygen concentrator and it's got two tubes and there's a priming line. So you don't have to worry about the water flowing over. going to, it's, it literally just jets your tub. It also makes like a jet in your tub, which actually feels like the pressure is pretty good. It's really nice. there's different scales. Like we've got different sizes of systems to service different.
Freddie Kimmel (37:39.31)
pool sizes. what what does that look like? yeah. So we have our home unit, we call it the NanoJet Eco. And that's just our first home product pretty, pretty much made the used in the bathtub up to like 150 gallons. And then our next one is a pro, which we've mainly made for universities, a lot of underwater treadmills, a lot of these facilities where they have 12 guys, they need to get in treated at one time. Yes, university, there's not a lot of tables. So they got a
And this is a great tool that a lot of these schools like because the guys can just hop in the water. They get in throughout their day from class after practice, et cetera. They oxygenate and then go get some work done and so forth. and then our new one is the immersion Nanojet tub, which has all our technology built in with an oxygen concentrator, ozone for sanitation. It's got a robust filter skimmer. So it's made more like a hot tub. So
you know, you'd leave it on the back patio or in your bathroom and, yeah, you just, you can cycle in, there's a chiller in there. If you want to make it cold, do a cold bunch in the morning and heat it up for nights. So it's like about a 10 hour cycle from the coldest cold to the, know, 98 degrees. and then, then, then we got some new products that are going to be coming out a more travel friendly one. And then like we talked about with this little foot foot up. coming up with different solutions based on what we're seeing in the field, like, Hey,
this could be a really good option. And we also have a facial product. So people would get out and another side effect that we get is like, Hey, I slept great and my skin feels amazing. So yeah, it helps strip out like the extra dermal layer of your skin that's already pretty much dead skin cells. And so you detox that off of you. And so it leaves like a really soft, like we don't need lotion afterwards. So people were like, Hey, how can I do this for my face?
I was like, get a snorkel, go underneath. But then we came out with a solution where we started, you know, bottling our nano bubble water and then had these pads with the little dish and it's called the Bimini Pure O2. I'll go in there and you pretty much put a pad in there, pour a little water on it, and then just kind of blotch your face. We're also gonna come out with a mist. So you can kind of do that. And then it kind of just oxygenate your face, which has a lot of perception. And,
Freddie Kimmel (40:00.214)
And it's been great for like acne related, like anaerobic, cause a lot of acne grows in the anaerobic. So you've oxygen. So a lot of the dermal issues from inflammation in your face, get that out of the way. And then anti-aging people, we've had people with like lines in their face as they get older, they're like, I feel like it's helping those do a little better. incorporating this into your like facial product routine.
and then come in with like a peptide lotion or whatever else you need. One skin's great. We like one skin. And so yeah, yeah. So we've, we've got those. I've been doing breath, I was been doing breath holds under the water and I was like, Oh, I want this to my brain, right? I wanted to get around the tissue in my eyes. So I was literally doing like, you know, again, you don't do that at home. Don't hold your breath in the bathtub. But I was trying to get my face underwater and just doing like 30, 45 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Getting it. it's,
Yep. Immersed. Yeah, but we have a skin like our product that does that for you. Great. Comes with a it's like a 30 day supply for like $47 a month. And does the oxygen to the oxygen is stable? water like that. Yeah. So we it's not we had to package it either glass or this kind of aluminum bags, because plastic it'll kind of dissipate quicker over time. And so yeah, we have them in these little bags and
just pour them out and our shelf life's about like eight months, I think. Oh, wow. That's wild. That's so cool. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. And they say, yeah, you can test the oxygen nanobubbles later in our little system. And so we get a concentration about 300 million, 200 to 300 million nanobubbles per milliliter of water. Okay. So imagine like one milliliter of water, we're getting like 200 million bubbles in that. So it's a highly concentrated. So over time, if it's exposed, like it'll off, you know, go off gas slowly.
Yeah. But if it's sustained in the bag and you kind of just tighten it up quickly and there are 30 day supplies. Yeah. Amazing. Can you do the industrial unit? my other thought in my head, I'm like, I can't believe people wouldn't just start outfitting their hot subs with these. Yeah. Like is there any way to tie this into an existing system or can these units sit outside? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, the pro can sit outside. We have a lot of like hot subs use that. And then we have a custom, we don't advertise this a lot, but a custom build that
Freddie Kimmel (42:23.31)
can be used incorporated into a pool. So if you want to do a whole pool, yeah, we just take our technology and plummet into the system. Wow. So and that's a little more expensive because it's more volumes of water. Our nano bubble device is larger. And yeah, that we have a few other things that we oxygen. We just use tanks. But now we have this kind of robust concentrators that we use. And then, man, I can't believe if you had the money, it's like you're literally
You're you're turning your pool into cocoon. Yeah, like that's literally a real-life cocoon Could you imagine if a senior center couldn't come up with the the coin to transform their pool like that? Yeah. Yeah. No, That'd be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm real Yeah, I'd say every every person that's aging to once you get past 50 60 like your oxygen levels are Going down pretty quickly. You're on this. Yeah, like hypoxic curve, right? So you're yeah, you know less and less
less oxygen and they would just feel so alive and vibrant. I want my dad to get this, but I know he'll never go for it. I know he'll never go for it. Actually, think they took their bathtub out just because you know, if people get to a certain age and like, don't want to slip and fall out of the bathtub. Yeah, is a concern. After you get a certain age or if you have a condition where you don't want to slip, that's when we just set you up with this little foot That's the thing, right? The play is probably the foot bath for a lot of people.
And then what can you talk a little bit about price range for some of these products? So we've mentioned like system that will do the pool down to the bath down to the we got the This is the nano eco that we have at the house, which is sort of like the oxygen concentrator then We see you mentioned some other products coming out. Yeah, just like to make it easy. It's like 10 20 30 40 so under 10,000 for the eco which about 9,000 which it breaks out to
we have financing options. So it's about $300 a month. Yep. Uh, the, then, uh, for the home unit right now for their current system, the pro is around like 20,000. So these are for these big universities that have, this is going to do a tub with 10 or 12 people or whatnot. they get in and they turn it on, leave it on all day. Yeah. Turn off at night. So that one's really like hearty and like just, uh, they just flip a switch in the morning and flip a switch at night and it's running all day. So for the trainers love it because it's hands off.
Freddie Kimmel (44:46.668)
And so they're like, yeah, all we got to do is come in and turn it on, turn it off before we leave. And it's, it's cycled through and the guys come in and out as they go. And then our immersion tubs around 30, 30,000. is that a commercial grade? Would you say that's good for a clinic or is that still a home device? Yeah, it's, it, we made it for clinics home device. So it's just a higher end. mean, obviously it looks great. And yeah, it's, it's, it's got everything from a filtration, a skimmer.
ozone, oxygen contraider and even lights so you can change lights. We didn't talk about like embedding red light into it. sure. Yeah. Stacking things. But yeah, and then then then if we were to customize a pool, like say you wanted your pool done. So that's usually around 40, like 40, 45 depending on the size of the pool. So it's like, you're still under the cost of a hard shell hyperbaric and you have your whole pool as an oxygen center. Pretty wild. Yeah.
Yeah, and then obviously finance options for those to kind of help fund those as much as you can. Yeah, I just, I don't know, I'm biased, right? This is my slant, but I can't imagine why you'd want to go buy some crazy $90,000 truck when you could get like a $35,000 used truck and an oxygen bath so you live with less pain and live longer and in better health.
Pretty cool, man. I'm so stoked for this. Really, think I mentioned this. I found you through a Google search. I was looking for a sauna while I was at a show in Houston. And I saw you guys had a demo center. And then we've just continued the conversation and now I got to try it. You're so lovely to talk to you. You've been so awesome. Thanks, man. We found we've had like a lot of mutual friends in the space because you've been in a lot longer than we have. We call it the longevity or biohacking space. That's right. Which we're just...
Just last year we went to the A4M Longevity Fest and really started like really targeting that market. Cause we knew like, Hey, there's so many people need, we can't just focus on pro athletes. Cause we have hundreds of pro athletes using it, but it's like, there's so many more people that could use this for their health and just helping them. If you're a grandma or grandpa, just trying to go out with your grandkids and go to the beach and get on your feet. And we say motion is lotion. So anything that helps you kind of move.
Freddie Kimmel (47:09.75)
more and more without pain is a benefit to your health, right? Yeah. Can you talk about any of the pro players some audience might know that's using Vimini? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's any NFL fans out there, know, obviously Derek Henry, he's a big running back in the league. A lot of our NFL guys are veterans like been year five and on, you know, we always say NFL stands for not for long because it's just.
They get these guys in and out, but like the guys that really care about their health and their body are like, they'll get a contract instead of going out and buying a new car or another house. like, Hey, I'm going to, I got one body. Yeah. So they, we've seen a big push on like they're focusing on their health way more than they have in the past, which is great because they're, they, they understand now that there's a lot of life after football. And, and so, yeah, any, they're, they're usually the ones on the forefront of like all these.
modalities that they're using. know, you know, fair, uh, Pharaoh Brown, you're setting up with the other one. Um, but yeah, dark Derek Henry, have a Juju Smith Schuster, a lot of offensive linemen, Dan Moore Jr. He was an Aggie. I'm an Aggie. Um, and so he just kind of deal with the Titans, but we pretty much have every team as an NFL player using it. Um, a lot of the, a lot of the guys that, know, running backs, they get a quicker start.
And then a lot of defensive ends that are like rushing the quarterbacks. Yeah. Brian burns with the giants. He's, he's an absolute monster, but he's like, Hey, just gives me that extra burst to get around. And now the offensive lineman were like, well, now we need to get it because he's got more, more burst. can't believe the teams aren't going in on a team pool and just having one at facility. The teams are, the teams are interesting, man. yeah.
a lot of them are set in their ways. Yes, I noticed that. Yeah. lot of the trainers are, but there are some that are coming around. we, we had a system with the calves cause all the Cavalier players started buying it for themselves. And then they're like, Hey, we need this at our facility. it's almost being more pressure from the player saying, Hey, we could use this here because we're already using it at home. We could get more work done if we trained and then got in here and, then, you know, and use our other one for travel when we travel. So yeah, they're,
Freddie Kimmel (49:29.966)
getting more pressure and then all our university trainers, they've been really good and more on the forefront. But yeah, getting out of the mindset of shooting these guys up with steroids and cortisol and line of game shots like before games. It's like getting out of that mindset has been really, really, really good to see, but it's still there. Yeah. It's going to change the game when people start to integrate these red light panels.
flowpresso, oxygen therapy, pulse, electromagnetic at the very least, right? they very hopefully something for, for cognition, some type of meditation or a neurofeedback app or like my top four or five, they're really easy to implement. And there's certainly the, the, extra salary there to do this. and really I'm, I'm excited for the, the, the consumers. always think about.
You know, again, I live in a bubble, go when you go to the airport and watch people take off their shoes and fall, or you watch, you know, go to CVS and you watch people struggling to walk through CVS to pick up their prescription. was like, that's who needs this stuff. That's where the education needs to come in. And yeah, really bust through. There's a, there's a huge barrier there that is partially education. It's mostly, mostly funding, right? Expendable income.
But I think just if we were to shift our focus on what we're spending our money on, there's so much opportunity. yeah, our goal right now is in the engineering side is to make these more affordable so more people can have them. So that's where we're coming out with some different solutions. Yeah. Probably within this next year or two where we can get this out into more hands. Yes. but yeah, that's still, you know, still have to go outsource these products and things, you know, to make a good product last, like test it rigorously and making sure it's.
it's good. so, know, in all the money we're bringing in now on the price is pretty much going back into building more inventory. Yes. Kind of keeping that cycle going to so we can get to like a good, you know, good place and kind of do more of this product development to kind of come up with more of these solutions for people. But I mean, I think that's our, that's our goal is to help. found this mission through this technology to kind of help as many people as possible that, you know, help them oxygenate so that the body can.
Freddie Kimmel (51:47.31)
to do the healing and then whether you stack that with a few other things, PMF, but like with most things, you got to start at like a certain, like the Tesla started with the Roadster. They had started with a certain price point model. And then you can kind of get to a more economical model for everybody else. So we had to start at a certain place so that we could make a certain amount of money to help fund the future of products. And that's kind of, you know, the engineering timeline as we go.
exciting. uh, but yeah, it's been, it's been a great, great space and going from pro athletes, helping them break records. Gabby Thomas was another one that before the Olympics got hers in training camp and she ran her 400, 200 and got one, three gold medals. And she's like, this was incredible. Just getting her to be able to recover after each event to get ready for the next event.
Yeah. It's the thoroughbreds that really notice when you bring in those treatments and it just pushes them that one degree beyond. then, yeah. And we're in Austin too. we have, you know, Tara, she was a long jumper that went to UT and her husband, Hunter Woodall. she won her gold medal. Hunter's breaking records now with his Paralympian stuff. So yeah, we're helping. And then we had a lot of soccer players, NBA players, and, yeah, really getting it out to now everybody else.
That's exciting. If we could just for a minute, and I want to be respectful of your time and the hour, can we talk a little bit? You mentioned there's some competitors in the space and specifically there's a company called Cocoon, which is working. They came in more out of the side of oncology and cancer. you speak a little bit about their product or research or your understanding of why that was a therapy? Yeah, yeah. So Cocoon, they're based out of Hungary and I think they have a few clinics in Vegas and I think a few others. And a lot of doctors actually found us through them.
Like Dr. Noah, because he was like, one of our guys experienced the cocoon and it helped them do this. it was their first and into oxygen nanobubbles. And so, but then he found out the price tag to get it. Cause he's like, I want to get my one of my clinic and they're over a hundred thousand dollars without like the plumbing and everything else. So they're really high in. And so we tested our water and it's the same.
Freddie Kimmel (54:06.614)
from what we're doing. They're making, we patented our nano bubble device a certain way. They have a little different way that they make the nano bubbles, but the in game concentration, the parts per million, the partial pressure of water is all of that 350, 360%. And so it's all the same. Yep. Oxygen nano bubbles. And, but yeah, they started out a hungry, which was I think known for their, their water quality.
And then they had a doc that I think in the early 2010s came out with their setup now what they have. But yeah, people that can go to those clinics, yeah, they're doing a lot in the cancer space oncology and they have more studies on that side in terms of because they started in cancer.
it was we started like sports science and now we're kind of merging into the functional medicine space and doing more of these, you know, blood work interleukins, like inflammatory responses type stuff. But yeah, yeah. If anybody has a chance to that, I think they have one in Vegas. I'm sure a lot of people out there can expect and then I think they have one in California. But the main thing is we wanted to create a product that could empower an individual to do it in the comfort of their own home. Yep. I love it. And so and so we wanted to like,
Yeah, we are tub is 30,000, which is still less than a third of their cocoon price. But we wanted to, we want, we're trying to make level a tier level of products where people that have a disposable income of a hundred dollars a month extra that they could afford something like this or $200 a month, whatever it ends up being. Um, and so yeah, that was our goal was like, let's empower not only just these different clinics where people can go, but the actual people that want this for their.
their own home. So if they don't want to go somewhere to do this, they can do it right there in their, their bathtub. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. Well, this is in the beautifully broken store, beautifully broken dot world. And you can find there actually we have a $500 discount. Yeah. Yeah. Using code beautifully broken through Bimini. Yeah. Beautifully broken at Bimini hydrotherapy or Bimini oxygen.com. You can use both. then Instagram Bimini nano.
Freddie Kimmel (56:27.242)
We have a lot of things more, you know, can kind of look to see what else we're doing in the world. Cool. And then we're on Facebook and LinkedIn as well. Great. Well, we'll post this all over. We'll make some noise and we'll I'm really excited for you guys to get to try this. And I just I this is like, you know, I don't know, I my prediction for this audience is like, there's so many people with good stacks and oxygen isn't in the mix yet. I think this is a great opportunity for you. You're home.
I will never want to do a bath without it again. I was like, Jason's picking it up and I'm like, no, that's okay. We're going to, we're going to get one at the house. It's, it's worth it. It's, really is a great device. yeah. And so we'll definitely, we'll swing around. You guys will, you guys will have a chance to engage with the content when this goes out. Really, really excited for everybody to hear this.
You know, where this fits in, how can you upgrade your health? What are the opportunities? Not every day do we bring something so fun is upgrading your warm bath at night, but we did it here today. Jason, thank you for being a guest on the show. Appreciate it, Boom. Thanks guys. Big love. That's it. All right.
