Mastering Mold: Dr. Ashley’s Guide to Daily Habits and Detox for Optimal Health

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT 

Freddie Kimmel (00:01.738)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We are here with Dr. Ashley. Welcome to the show.

Ashley Beckman (00:09.929)
Good morning.

Freddie Kimmel (00:11.126)
So good to see you.

Ashley Beckman (00:13.286)
good to see you.

Freddie Kimmel (00:14.574)
We met at Dr. Jess Petros's retreat down in Florida, correct? Yep. I want to say that was 2022.

Ashley Beckman (00:19.316)
That's right.

Ashley Beckman (00:23.281)
It was now, it was a while ago. Yeah, I think almost two years ago now.

Freddie Kimmel (00:25.516)
Wild. Wild. And, you know, I've known about your work for a while and since that retreat, I've got to follow you online and look at all the amazing things that you do. In this container of wellness and human optimization and chronic illness, how do you provide service in the wellness world?

Ashley Beckman (00:48.767)
Sure. So I work virtually. live in Malibu, but again, I have worked in this field for about 20 years. So I started as a, I'm actually working for a naturopathic doctor that focused on Lyme. So, and again, these things always end up happening, right? I said, I will never work with Lyme clients. It seems like the worst thing ever. And then what ends up happening? You get Lyme, right? So I basically,

You know, our life imitates things and we basically, I always seem to focus on things that have also happened in my own life. But at the same time, it's amazing information and there's so much needed out here in this space because there's a lot of noise, a lot of different options. And I have always been very interested in health and wellness, but from the most basic levels of what can you do every day and especially food and herb based, right? So that's kind of how I got started.

and I started learning about homeopathy and I studied with a well -known classical homeopath and he said, if you love herbs and food this way, Chinese medicine is the best and most studied and you need to dive into that.

Freddie Kimmel (02:02.84)
Yeah. Yeah. They certainly understand a systems approach, which we do not. When you have that experience and you said you had worked in different clinics and you'd worked with chronic illness and Lyme and you said to yourself, I would, I'll never work with Lyme. It seems terrible. What did, what did you mean? What felt so bad about it and what, gave you that, that like a magnet repelling an opposite force away from it?

Ashley Beckman (02:07.324)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (02:14.047)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (02:28.351)
Sure. So again, this was in about 2002, right? So I was a baby in this whole world, right? Not too long after college. And again, I was someone though, you we had iridology where I worked. So I was looking at eyes and I was looking at, we used bio resonance machine, an old machine called the quantum, right? Very old, but really cool things. I had seen a practitioner in high school using these things.

Freddie Kimmel (02:34.444)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (02:56.935)
So I've been in that world, but I, again, I just was, I was sensitive to perfume. I got a migraine if I walked by, you know, the detergent aisle in the grocery store. And I just was wondering why am I different, right? And so when I was around all of this, these lime clients, it just seemed like their life was really difficult, right? And that we also saw a lot of multiple chemical sensitivity is what it was called back then, right?

Very rare, know, someone couldn't walk into a room without full on reactions, which now we see mass cell and things all the time. But it just seemed awful. Like their life was so disrupted. They were in chronic pain. Again, they had migraines, which I ended up being someone with migraines. And, but I did notice at least for myself, if I was so strict with gluten and dairy and sugar, most of my symptoms went away, right?

But I had never really heard of root cause medicine or why would that be happening? It's not just the food that makes you sick. It's usually what it's feeding, it's lurking in your system and just kind of waiting for an opportunity, right?

Freddie Kimmel (04:05.934)
Yeah. Yeah. I sometimes will. I'm so lucky. Like you probably had symptoms of Lyme probably looking back on it. You know, I had a really bad mono infection. and I was like 16 really bad. Like I had this, I played soccer and I don't know if you played soccer, you had like these like warmup tracks. They'd zip up to the bottom of your chin. I couldn't zip that up because I had like these baseballs in my throat.

Ashley Beckman (04:19.347)
Mm

yeah.

Ashley Beckman (04:26.227)
I'm.

Ashley Beckman (04:30.131)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (04:34.377)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (04:34.638)
And I'd say around 2001, I started to get really severe symptoms, but it's so wild how differently it presents in different people. You know, today I would, I would consider myself like curative Lyme, whatever that means, but you know, the majority of symptoms that I have, I think there's probably as the body not dissimilar to like a Pontiac over time.

Ashley Beckman (04:47.316)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (04:53.331)
Mm.

Ashley Beckman (05:03.514)
Bye.

Freddie Kimmel (05:03.628)
You know, we, we only have so many miles on the car. You know, sometimes I'll get an acre of pain and be like, is that, is that Borrelia? Probably not. You know, because I'm, I'm pretty darn functional. And if you happen to, if you happen to see some of the lime documentaries where. Goodness, people are not only there are they're suffering, but they're completely bad written. these are, these are extreme cases, but neurological Lyme is so severe and people's lives are changed forever. And most of the time.

Ashley Beckman (05:12.052)
Right.

Ashley Beckman (05:29.683)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (05:33.624)
They are not validated in their experience. It's really, really wild.

Ashley Beckman (05:37.577)
Well, and that's, I guess what I would say. got into, I was already on the path to natural medicine, but what happened was is one day I woke up and I really couldn't walk. Like it was so extremely painful. So the lime that I had seemed to just really be in my ankles and wrists. So it hurt to hold a cell phone. It hurt to walk. And then again, kind of neurologically with migraines and things like that. So I went to my doctor who was just a regular doctor. And I said, you know, I think that

Maybe I'm allergic to gluten or something like everything really hurts. And she said, well, no, you would have digestive issues. What you have is some sort of undiagnosed autoimmune. You're not gonna know what it is for probably 10 years and there's nothing you can do about it. And I said, well, I'm in grad school for acupuncture. I'm sure there's some sort of solution, right? But even in school, in acupuncture, they don't look at gluten as inflammatory.

Freddie Kimmel (06:29.251)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (06:34.927)
We have even, use gluten as an herb. There's fermented wheat that we use. And so I was the only person at that time asking, is there gluten in any of these formulas that I'm taking? Because a lot of our formulas were have, there's some gluten. And they said, no, no, it actually helps heal your stomach. So you don't have to worry about it. So it's just different. It's a different mindset. But again, I, again,

too, sorry, when we looked at that, when I look back, I for sure, you know, I had symptoms as a kid of ankle pain and things like that. So I probably have had it a long time at that point even, and that was in about 2006. But again, I chalked it all up to food sensitivities because in holistic nutrition, that's kind of where we were back then, right?

Freddie Kimmel (07:11.394)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (07:17.944)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (07:25.206)
Yes, we were. Yeah. I remember doing those first rounds of, I think the one I did was called sage.

Ashley Beckman (07:32.191)
So yeah, I did out.

Freddie Kimmel (07:33.898)
It was very expensive at the time compared to what it costs today.

Ashley Beckman (07:36.189)
Yeah, and I did realize too, every single food I was eating I was sensitive to because I made the same healthy smoothie every day, right? So.

Freddie Kimmel (07:47.126)
Yeah, a hundred percent. It's probably the last test. People always tell me, I'm going to run this. was like, was like, look, if you're on, if you have, if money's not a thing and you don't care, then go ahead and get the data and it probably high, highly likely that you're going to have some relief from your symptoms. you remove trigger foods and your body will probably adjust its sensitivity to the new foods you started eating. you know, it's, I'm not sure what good information it gives us at this time. Other than that, if you did have a severe.

allergy then that might be a nice indicator.

Ashley Beckman (08:22.387)
Yeah, I'm all about rotation, right? And so again, with all my, especially little kids and adults too, you I'm like, you just rotate, right? You know, don't make a giant bowl with eight vegetables in it. Pick a couple, you know, or meat and veggies, whatever you eat, but just rotate, rotate, rotate.

Freddie Kimmel (08:24.94)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (08:36.651)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (08:40.248)
Can you give us why that would be beneficial for someone's chronic pain? And can you tell me an example, like over a week, like how many times am I allowed to eat broccoli or cauliflower or a protein?

Ashley Beckman (08:53.609)
Sure, so I have found the proteins tend to be less of an issue I've seen on sensitivity tests, right? So again, I am a big proponent of meat for medicinal purposes. That's how we see it in Chinese medicine. I work with lots of people and I do believe meat is extremely beneficial and a cornerstone of our diet. So I have gone through different things, but basically it generally takes about three days for a food to clear.

So if you eat something about twice a week, but you space that out, that's a really good model to follow. And then again, I'm generally not a big grain proponent, but if you do rotate them around, right? And, but again, people love to just combine these huge, you know, bowls and stir fries and salads with a whole bunch of things, or they try to throw everything in a smoothie. And I've just like, make it simple, you know, maybe a beef protein.

milk of choice, whatever you can use, and then one fruit, if you're using fruit. And just rotate.

Freddie Kimmel (09:58.412)
Yeah. Do you have a favorite protein that you're using right now? I always love to ask people what they're doing.

Ashley Beckman (10:05.651)
I love Equip, the Equip beef protein is my favorite.

Freddie Kimmel (10:09.43)
Okay, a quip. I've not tried that one. No.

Ashley Beckman (10:11.613)
Ooh, you have it? It's great too because it's made in mind for low histamine, right? So yeah, most people, right, they can't eat a lot of, you even have the bone broth proteins and things like that. So Equip is simple. It's just beef protein.

Freddie Kimmel (10:17.39)
my goodness.

Freddie Kimmel (10:27.456)
Amazing. I'm doing one called the Fittest from Whole Feast, which is a bunch of animal parts. It's like liver and spleen and kidney and muscle. I tend to do, I have no bloating or gas from it. I've almost a year I've been on it. I really like it. use it to bake with.

Ashley Beckman (10:30.963)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (10:34.717)
Right? Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (10:45.853)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're very good. think again, I think that that's really great, right? Because then you're basically, a lot of your nutrients are in that. So that's very important.

Freddie Kimmel (10:47.543)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (10:56.128)
Right. Right. But I still have this, still, think there's an inner knowing that I should be rotating my protein. should, and I do, I tell you what really does well for me in this, you know, we'll call it the pond of someone who's recovered from chronic illness. I do well when I do two full days of vegetables, no protein. Yeah, really. I would assume that it impacts lymphatic flow and

Ashley Beckman (11:03.548)
Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (11:17.263)
interesting. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (11:23.167)
What's that?

Freddie Kimmel (11:24.15)
I guess the inflammatory proteins that are byproduct of digesting, you know, a pound of, or a gram of protein per pound of body weight would be diminished for a couple of days. So just get a little reboot.

Ashley Beckman (11:32.584)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (11:35.933)
Yeah, and that's the thing too. Again, like I've done carnivore. Carnivore was an amazing reset for me. I feel so good, right? I felt amazing on it. I don't think that it's the best long -term, right, on its own, unless you really need it, right? But I'm not fully on the vegetables are bad, right, for everybody.

So I do think that there can be some really great benefits. And then we know this just because of the microbiome. We do need to feed some things, right? But the carnivore is such a great reset. I I felt amazing. But then you have to figure out how to make something a lifestyle and not just a elimination diet, right?

Freddie Kimmel (11:59.768)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (12:21.74)
Yeah. Yeah. think you'll see people and I'm listen, whatever makes you feel good, but the, the outliers on the bell curve, I think you're going to see people want to just take, ride that ship into the ground, whether there's scientific data to promote its long -term beneficial reset or not. certainly, you know, I just had Dr. Grace on and we talked about the microbiome diversity and centenarians and that microbial community.

Ashley Beckman (12:26.846)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (12:45.096)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (12:51.038)
Freddie Kimmel (12:51.052)
within people living over a hundred is the truest form you can follow. they ate diverse diets. They had time without eating, but they had all their keystone strains. They're strains that they got from their mother and their microbiome was very robust. And that's, know, to just remind anybody on the show, if you didn't catch that one, that is what's digesting your food.

Ashley Beckman (13:07.325)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (13:18.242)
You know, we have stomach acid, but it's all the bacteria in there that are breaking it down. So I want to circle back around to gluten and gluten's a, it's like a, it's like an amino acid. It's a, it's a string of amino acids, right? It's a protein. So is your, you know, is your body allergic to the protein or is it the fact that we just have a, such a severely compromised microbiome? What are your thoughts on that?

Ashley Beckman (13:33.502)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (13:47.039)
Well, I, so I'm kind of probably in the, because gluten impacted me so much and I feel it within 30 minutes, for my particular system, I think that it's not the best. At least it hasn't been yet in my life so far, right? Again, I was someone who, you know, the typical story of when I studied abroad in Europe for six months, I ate everything over there, no problem. Do I think it was just the processing? I'm not sure because,

Freddie Kimmel (13:56.075)
Mm

Freddie Kimmel (14:02.542)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (14:16.925)
You know what mean? It's not, I was also had a very different lifestyle. I was walking everywhere all day. You know what I mean? It was completely different. And, but I do get definitely very strong reactions from gluten and even, you know, heirloom strains, beautiful massage sourdough starters, all of that. It's not really making a difference, the type of gluten for me. So again, you know, but then if you think of,

Freddie Kimmel (14:41.806)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (14:45.311)
different things that I've had in my life, like with Lyme or inflammatory thyroid issues, those also have an impact with gluten, right? And so I think there is a lot of cross -reactivity. So in general, I happen to be someone that grains are not the best, but again, when I bring it back to what's in my body that is eating those grains, right? Or the same with sugar. It's, I think,

there are things in there that they just love it. And so that's their food. And then when they get it, I get a lot of symptoms.

Freddie Kimmel (15:19.02)
Yeah. Yeah. I'm in a similar camp. I have found that if something's been cross contaminated or there's been bread on the plate and I know I've got some cr I don't react like that. I used to. It used to be, if there was some type of a byproduct that had weed in it in a standard process supplement, it would crush me.

Ashley Beckman (15:35.315)
Right, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (15:40.487)
Right. right. Yes. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (15:43.852)
You know, and I would feel fatigue and brain fog and all the same things. I was just so hyper sensitive and that is not how I exist today. Given, I mean, I've done a lot of stuff and a lot of healing and tried a lot of different things. would love to know from, from your perspective, you said you got to work with this great population with tons of people going through Lyme. Do you ever notice, and this, this, this is obviously going to be your, your subjective experience that.

So many of the treatments that we can have access to, let's say 10 pass ozone or SOT therapy or hyperbaric chamber, they're cost prohibitive. Did you see people with unlimited resources get better quicker because they had access to this tech or these things that are out of reach for a lot of people?

Ashley Beckman (16:24.585)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (16:37.289)
So I would say not necessarily, right? I actually, did work, another doctor that I worked with here in Beverly Hills, who is a functional medicine doctor, he focused a lot on IV chelation. He would recommend ozone, but we didn't do it in the office, right? Some things like that. very aggressive, right? Prescribing DMPS, EDTA, a bunch of different things as it changed and progressed as what was available.

And I would say the thing is, too, is I was trained in very aggressive protocols, right? I always thought initially, you know, I would fast and I would do, again, this is a long time ago, but the, what's it The master clans. I did that every season, right, for years. And I was small, right? Me losing 10 pounds on 110 pounds is a lot, right? So I was extremely weak, exhausted, tired, and that's not really what you're supposed to do, right?

I see things so differently now. I definitely do not think more aggressive is better and it's going to get you better faster. Right. I feel like we're always trying to talk people down now from these kind of very aggressive treatments because I've also had a bunch of clients who they do just try the ozone and then they get Epstein -Barr flared that now we have to manage for another six months because it was too strong for them. Right. So I'm all about slow and steady wins the race.

I think we can do so much with herbs, nutrition, food. I use homeopathic series kits from DeskBio. I use a lot of targeted herbals, right, from a few different companies for lime and mold and metals and things like that. And I think we have to get out of that, right, of like, but if I do this excessive treatment, will it work faster, right? But then again, I have some clients that, you know, ozone changed their life. So I am hyperbaric.

Freddie Kimmel (18:22.766)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (18:30.841)
There's so many things, but I don't want someone to put all their eggs in one basket because then they're trying to save up for this very expensive treatment where ideally we need to work with them for a long time and just keep kind of plugging away at it naturally and help the body do its job, but with the right tools.

Freddie Kimmel (18:52.716)
Yeah. I think it's asking better questions about the body. You know, I always go back to the framework of biological medicine and I was just doing a journaling exercise last night and it, it makes the most sense to me. You know, it's a systems approach, but we're looking at, we're looking at the body as a fish tank. You know, we're looking at the, you know, the inner milieu, the terrain, and you have this dirty moldy tank. And the first thing you have to do, you have to, you have to drain and

Ashley Beckman (19:08.104)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (19:16.68)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (19:22.03)
clean the water. You know, to think about all the things we try to add in treatments, it's like, of course you feel terrible. Of course you feel bad. And then my mentor in biological medicine always likes to say, he's like, I don't see Herxheimer responses because I'm very aware of, I'm very aware of what that person's drainage capability is. And I support that first. And I make sure that's online from

Ashley Beckman (19:23.102)
Yes, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (19:29.598)
Right.

Freddie Kimmel (19:50.05)
the intracellular extracellular fluid ratio from lymphatic flow to genetic detoxification pathways. And so I really have a good understanding of how far they're going to be pushed. And then, you know, I'm doing things like nebulizers, castor oil packs, magnesium baths, nurturing, strengthening things. And I was like,

Ashley Beckman (20:08.041)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (20:12.646)
The beauty about that line of thought is, or that working theory, is that everything I just mentioned is so very safe and so very smart.

Ashley Beckman (20:19.655)
Yeah. Yeah. And you basically too, I want things that people can do at home, right? They want them to have tools they can use so they can use them multiple times a week if needed. And that's the exact thing. To me, if someone, if I've given someone a protocol and they have a big hurts reaction, I've been too aggressive, right? So that's not my goal ever. Like I want people to be able to still live their life and go through this process. Again,

If they're bed bound, it's a whole different case, right? But again, if someone's bed bound, the last thing you want to do is make them feel even worse, right? We're trying to just clean these things up so that they can actually accept treatment well and then have tools that they can utilize and then keep doing throughout their life, right? It's not just this targeted little time period that we're working on. It took them decades usually to get to where they are, unfortunately. And we know just our exposures every day

are a lot between water and food and emotions and nervous system and things like that. So there's a lot for us to do and people want one magic pill, you know, or one treatment that's going to, one 10 pass is just going to wipe it all out, clean out your whole blood and you're good to go. And unfortunately, you know, these pathogens are very intelligent and they like to hide and we kind of need to figure out how to draw them out and then.

get rid of them, but at the same time, create a very happy ecosystem in our body so that we're all thriving.

Freddie Kimmel (21:53.358)
Yeah. Yeah. I was just, did a solo podcast last week about having a rough two months of sleep, which we had chatted about a little bit. And I finally like, I'm like 10 days in of every single night, like a 75 HRV and like three and a half, three hours and 40 minutes of deep sleep. And I just feel so good. And I just go back to the, the, you know, my true knowing the value of sleep is medicine. It's just incredible.

Ashley Beckman (22:00.234)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (22:14.463)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (22:23.446)
It's incredible.

Ashley Beckman (22:23.519)
Yeah. And those foundations, again, like we all, I always come back to them and everyone skips over them, right? Because it sounds so simple, but the hydration is so critical, right? Most people are dehydrated and that's huge cornerstone. Or just going to bed before 10, right? Just different examples. And then again, how dysregulated do they get in the day, right? Like, are you rushing around?

Freddie Kimmel (22:31.416)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (22:42.115)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (22:53.137)
even just giving people, and especially I'm a mom, we're running around, but the same, do you cram everything in so that you're running on adrenaline all day or do you plan and give yourself space? Just that alone will decrease the load in your mind and hopefully balance some things out. And then I'm a big proponent of balancing sugar because so many people are just all over the place. I love CGMs, I love seeing it.

Freddie Kimmel (23:06.296)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (23:22.429)
and saying, you know, just if someone can see if some of the things they think they're doing are really great, they might not be, right? Like you could be getting these blood sugar spikes and all that a lot. And from foods you think are okay. Again, I think especially the people with Lyme and chronic illness, I would say the amount of people that downplay sugar and this includes honey, maple syrup, however it impacts you, right?

Freddie Kimmel (23:33.688)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (23:52.453)
It's that no one wants to give up sugar. I get that. I understand. But if you have something that's feeding a lot of these pathogens and you're working so hard to get rid of those, but you won't give up your, you know, nightly glass of wine or whatever it is or your, you know, sweet treats, you're, you are kind of derailing things every day. And we know basically, I always say there's usually one habit you have every day that's throwing things off quite a bit.

Freddie Kimmel (24:21.795)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (24:22.323)
Just depends, you know, for some people and then they'll admit they're like, well, I still use coffee mate, you know, or I use, it's like something that I wouldn't even think of or, I still drink tap water. And I'm like, my gosh. Okay, so we have to start at the beginning, right?

Freddie Kimmel (24:36.49)
Yeah, it's so funny. think I know my I think my my Achilles heel that I've really been thinking about is

I want so badly for everyone to think that I'm doing a job. So it's kind of in this good job. It's kind of in this chronic people pleaser zone that I'll reflexively hold back like my initial response. And I'm like, that's not right. You shouldn't say that now. I should like work around it. And so I will find that sometimes I'll be waking up and like, you know, at 3 .30 in the morning and it'll be like an angry, I'm like,

Ashley Beckman (24:55.623)
Yes, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (25:15.086)
I'm like, that's not fair. That's not right. This makes me feel bad. I can't work this way. You know, dot, dot, dot, dot. I can fill it all in. but if I journal before I go to bed and if I can identify anything that's going on as far as a loop and I just tell my body, I'm like, Hey, let's like, set this down. We'll pick it back up tomorrow morning. That's been really helpful for me. And I mean, even though like the first night I did it, was like, my God, I slept through the night. You know,

Ashley Beckman (25:20.784)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (25:24.958)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (25:41.085)
Yeah, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (25:42.798)
It's really powerful what we pack down in our psyche and, you know, do that, do that 46 years of like, really you're like pushing to perform. So you're worthy of love. And that's, that's a big old Achilles heel that'll make you sick.

Ashley Beckman (25:49.407)
Yep. Yeah!

Ashley Beckman (25:59.813)
for sure. Yeah. And I'm the same age and I don't know how much is kind of from, you know, how we were raised and you know what I mean? It's very different because now I see my daughter, you know what I mean? It's always like you're trying not to hurt their feelings where I think when we were little, there was still a lot of, you know, perfection, wanting to be perfect and a bunch of these things, right? And yeah, and they don't really have that. And then, but then you get the other, it's very interesting. We'll see how it plays out.

Freddie Kimmel (26:21.816)
Gold star, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (26:30.003)
Right. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (26:30.028)
I know we'll see how it plays out. don't have kids, so I can only look into my brother's house or sister's house. They all have lovely kids, but yeah, man, it's different. My dad was like, cowboy up. Don't cry. Cowboy up. Pick yourself up. Dust yourself off. Time to be a man. Yeah, it hurts. Good. Get over it.

Ashley Beckman (26:44.317)
I

Right, yeah. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (26:55.165)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (26:57.326)
I love those memes from the, it's like, I'd love to transport kids back 40 years and see if he'd even be alive. Cause we were just Ruth. I mean, the things we did, we had like jump out of like second story barn windows and you know, fall off rope swings into rocks. It'd be like, I'm good. You know, everybody was good. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (27:05.426)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (27:14.173)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we're kind of in the, I'd say this is a little different thing, but we're in the sort of autoimmune mystery illness camp, I think. The kids now, it seems like it's all hitting them neurologically, right? But I think it's more of the toxins, right? Because I work with a bunch of kids.

Freddie Kimmel (27:29.249)
huh.

Ashley Beckman (27:38.929)
Again, I work with families. It's usually the mom that comes in that's sick. it's, you know, again, I work a lot with mold is the number one thing, but the kids are really sick too. And they, if they were born in a household with mold, they are very sick and they're usually, they have tons of crazy eczema. You know, it's not necessarily your breathing and respiratory things, but they have OCD and just so many things. And again, these microtoxins are really, really impactful, especially on these little bodies too.

They're bad enough on adults, but these little bodies, it's very bad.

Freddie Kimmel (28:13.378)
Yeah, a hundred percent. know, I know. goodness, I'm trying to think of the podcast I did where we did all the environmental toxic and panels and, yeah. Interesting.

Ashley Beckman (28:21.767)
yeah, that's my favorite lab. Yeah. So I got into all this because of toxins, right? So it started kind of like with fragrance. And then I realized everything that was in skincare. So then I kind of threw everything away. And then eventually actually my friend and I in grad school, we had a handmade organic skincare company where we bottled everything in glass, made it all with Chinese herbs and flower essences and gem essences and essential oils.

Freddie Kimmel (28:49.184)
Wow.

Ashley Beckman (28:50.845)
and we based it on the five elements of Chinese medicine. And then you change kind of during each season. But again, now it's very common. There's lots of great brands that are very clean. just, you can't really use these big brands. It's made to sit on a shelf for two years. So how good is that gonna be for your body, which you absorb everything. It goes straight to the bloodstream that you put on your skin.

Freddie Kimmel (29:06.902)
I know.

Freddie Kimmel (29:11.66)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (29:17.472)
Yeah. Yeah. My friend, it's so funny. My friend Matilda just launched a company called, she's got great products. They're all small batch, ethically sourced, made in tinted glass, but she has a body butter and a face exfoliator and a facial oil called Goddess Glow. And it's a great product. Everybody I gave the product was like, what is this smell? And it's just, it's as natural as it can be. totally

Ashley Beckman (29:24.583)
Yes, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (29:29.256)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (29:33.053)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (29:40.735)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (29:44.674)
You know, just giving your giving your skin life. It's really wild.

Ashley Beckman (29:47.101)
Yes, yeah, yeah. And people forget, again, that's something that we always have to look at, That's a habit that someone is doing every single day. So for some women, they're still putting on perfume right here by the thyroid, right? And they're wondering why their hormones are off or, you know, they're called obesogens, right? These different hormones are actually causing your body to hold on to more fat and weight and...

It's something that you actually choose that, right? Because you could make a choice for a different product. People just aren't aware.

Freddie Kimmel (30:17.038)
Yeah. Yeah. And this, this one, she looks younger than her, like her daughter just had a baby. Like she's a, she's a grandma. I'm like, you'd look like you're 26 years old. I mean, her skin is like absolutely flawless. It's amazing. It's amazing. I want it to, I want to pivot to mold. I want to pivot to mold because this is a big one. And obviously there's a symbiotic relationship with biotoxin illness from.

Ashley Beckman (30:24.519)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Haha, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (30:37.427)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (30:44.564)
Lyme disease or Lyme and Lyme's co -infections. Let's put it in that camp because what is Lyme really? I'm always reminding people they're like, for a treatment, was like, if you get a hundred people in a room and everybody has a Lyme diagnosis, what's the ratio? What's the infection? What's the co -infection? Everybody would be different. Everybody would be different.

Ashley Beckman (30:45.575)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (31:04.39)
Yeah, it would. Yeah. And I love, again, I use the vibrant tick -borne panel, right? That's what happened. I was in a house that had a ton of mold. I didn't know. But that's what happened is I basically, I had transitioned to a fully virtual practice. So I just thought, I'm at my office all day. But I went from seeing 30 people in person a day to...

Freddie Kimmel (31:11.842)
Yes, me too.

Ashley Beckman (31:28.767)
Of course I jammed my schedule like eight people a day online because I thought, this should be so easy. Right? It was not very different. But then I felt horrible again, like I hadn't in 15 years. And I thought, this is so weird. Like what's happening? And so then I ran the mold test first and I came back with a bunch of mold or maybe six kinds. And then, and then I just thought, you know what? Maybe I'll run this, the line panel. Cause you know,

These do correlate and overlap quite a bit. And then I came back with 21 different strains and co -infections. So was a lot. Yeah. And that I finally was like, aha, this has been all the joint pain and migraines. It's not just, obviously it's not just food sensitivities. Like these are all these internal pathogens that I've.

Freddie Kimmel (32:05.74)
No way. Wow. And had you a

Freddie Kimmel (32:21.004)
Yeah, it's really, it's really hard. mean, I that's that was my first presentation was just horrendous joint pain and and I say joint pain, but it's really, I don't know if you joined with me in this. It's like tendon and collagen pain. It's really like my knee joint is sore, but it's really the tendon or collagen around it. It's like, because if I look at a scan on my knee, my my every, every single, you know, osteopath or

Ashley Beckman (32:28.041)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (32:37.448)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (32:41.725)
Yeah, it's the whole... Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (32:50.122)
sports medicine guy's been like, your knees look great. Look at that space in there. Look at that collagen. They're like perfect.

Ashley Beckman (32:52.819)
Yeah. No, there was, yeah, and I never had swelling. I just had the classic like, you know, it's in my toes one day. Now it's in the left ankle. Now it's in the right ankle the next day. This left elbow, right wrist, you know, and I was just like, this is, and then in Chinese medicine too, we call it wandering joint pain, which is a form of dampness, which again, mold and these pathogens, they're damp, right? And so that's why I love

Freddie Kimmel (33:03.594)
a million percent.

Ashley Beckman (33:23.103)
hot weather, know, sunny, dry, and that makes you feel good, but again, you're not getting it. These little critters that are living in there causing damage.

Freddie Kimmel (33:32.77)
Right. Burrowing spiral bacteria, burrowing into the collagen and forever. It's making a happy home. So with this transition into online service, you're in a new space, you are working in mold. What were the, what were the presentations of symptoms that you first were like, okay, something is really, really off.

Ashley Beckman (33:38.451)
Yeah, yeah, making a happy home.

Ashley Beckman (33:48.315)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (34:01.311)
Sure, so to be fair, I used to cheat maybe once a week with gluten, right? So for about 10 years, this was prior to me having my daughter. I was, because I just thought, like maybe, you know, a little headache is, or a bad headache is okay, but I could keep it at bay. So, but then, but since I had, like when I got pregnant and things like that, I fully cleaned it up because I was like, I'm not, can't have migraines anymore with the child.

Freddie Kimmel (34:11.094)
you're a cheater. Love it.

Ashley Beckman (34:29.769)
So my diet was perfect, right? I didn't eat any sugar, maple syrup, honey, any of that, no grains. And then I still felt horrible. I got all the joint pain again. I had crazy brain fog. I was really tired. And again, I chalked it up to sitting and being at a desk and then just being in front of a screen all day too. And I just thought, this isn't totally right, you

So again, like I said, I ran all the labs and I was like, my gosh, of course this is just, there's a lot here to work on. And then we tested our house and basically because it was in the HVAC, like I stopped testing our home at six rooms because it was positive in every room. And even our inspector just said, this is, we used your house as an example of one of the worst cases we've seen with almost no visible mold.

Right? Like everything looked great. So you wouldn't know, but it was in, like I said, I stopped at six rooms with high levels of multiple types of microtoxins.

Freddie Kimmel (35:25.559)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (35:34.124)
And what type of testing did you do specifically?

Ashley Beckman (35:37.553)
Sure, so this is such a huge, know thing everyone wants to know so I I first so with testing we actually I just had someone come out and inspect and I only did a few rooms at first right I wanted a smaller inspection because it's expensive and But I have a company I love here in Los Angeles and then They do write like air sample testing control sample

visual inspection and then plus they'll take surface sample testing. I, unfortunately, most of my clients, you can't just do air samples. You will miss stuff, right? I have clients with beautiful pristine air samples and they have so much hidden mold and they were, and they're still very sick. So I have, you know what I mean? So unfortunately you can't just do one thing. You can't just do the inexpensive test plates and send them off, right?

But, and then there's the dust test, which is like a surface sample. And then you're gathering dust from different places around the home. And that's where you can kind of see if there's some hidden testing. And again, ours were extremely high in all of these. So unfortunately, it's not that easy, but I do tell clients like you can go in order of cost, right? But it's also to take a look and see and kind of learn to look for signs as well.

Freddie Kimmel (36:48.718)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (37:02.156)
Yeah. Yeah. I would say my, my recommendation to somebody, if you're really concerned and you just want to put your mind at ease, you're going to test the body to see what's coming out of the body. You're going to test the air to see what's in the home. You're going to have a sample outdoor air to see what's outside your home. And then you do also do a surface, a surface test. And I don't like the trays. I, there was a goodness. can't remember the test, but they would literally send you either a, a little cloth.

Ashley Beckman (37:11.901)
Yes. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (37:30.958)
that you'd swipe and you do like 10 surfaces and send it back. It's been a long time since I've done that one. I've, I've, an ERMI test, right? Did the ERMI. But if you have to, if you can triangulate the data and then for the air samples, indoor, outdoor bedroom, you know, living room, second bedroom, I've been using got mold. I've been using Jason Earl's test, but I, you know, you gotta, you gotta, yeah, you gotta look everywhere, especially if there's symptoms. That's, that's, think that we want to focus on.

Ashley Beckman (37:32.829)
Yes. Yeah.

That's an army test, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (37:52.403)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (37:58.173)
Yes. Yeah. When it's, and when it's in your body, right? I do use the urine, mycotoxin testing. I like vibrance the best. has the most amount of markers about three times as much as mosaic or real time. So I use vibrant because you can get a pretty clean test on a mosaic one and you still have, and when you still have symptoms, then it's, you know what I mean? It's just also because you're not using the most comprehensive test. The other thing is, is,

Freddie Kimmel (38:10.691)
Hmm.

Ashley Beckman (38:27.133)
Some people are using a blood test and you can use that. But again, they test differently. again, if someone has more, if they have money to, extra money that they want to use on testing, you could do both, but I still use urine mycotoxin testing the most. You just don't know if something's from a past exposure or not. But at the same time, we find mold in someone's test, no matter what, it has to be addressed, right? It's usually,

to me and what I've seen is because I run so many labs, I see it in about 95 % of my clients that they have some sort of like, let's just say two or three or more and up to 10 or 11 types of mycotoxins. So it's really important. And because what it does by suppressing the immune system so much, it allows these other pathogens to flourish like chronic EPSY bar or basically Lyme.

right, and the co -infections, different types of viruses and pathogens, they're there hanging around because you've kind of like taken away the goalie, right? And so unfortunately, you need to address the mold. And that's why it's a huge piece of what I work on consistently while we address symptoms as well.

Freddie Kimmel (39:42.242)
Yeah. And so what are some of the tools that you love for mold?

Ashley Beckman (39:47.387)
Sure. So for in the body, again, you always have to start with foundations, opening up drainage pathways. If you're not going to the bathroom regularly, you cannot start detoxing, right? So we have to open that up. I love sauna. I love red light. Lymphatic drainage is very important. And then looking at what are you eating, right? Are you feeding things? Are you eating lot of sweets and grains and processed foods? Then we need to look at that.

And then for supplements and things, we have to really nourish and support the liver, the gallbladder. And then I am a binder fan. I use, I do love glutathione. I know not everybody uses glutathione, but I do like it if it's appropriate for the individual. Not everybody can take it. I love Tudka for you need some sort of vital support, really good liver support.

And then I use binders. Again, I take the things I love from multiple brands, right? I love Pook Silver, I love Cellcore. I use a line called Zuma and I use a line called DustBio and BodyBio, right? So I take my favorites. I work on cell membrane too with PC or, another line I like, Prodrome. So anyway, a lot of things to just nourish, you have to nourish the cell.

Freddie Kimmel (40:47.308)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (41:10.335)
clean up the terrain and then also get the stuff out, right? So I'm not a full like terrain versus germ theory. I think you still need to clean up and get the pathogens out. You know what I mean? I don't think everything's black and white. You need to do both. It's the same. You can't just meditate your way entirely out of a super toxic situation. So I'm big proponent of nervous system regulation, but I still think you need to do the work and get the stuff out of your body.

Freddie Kimmel (41:25.176)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (41:39.874)
Hmm. I heard someone say yesterday we did a sauna over here. I got off the plane and was lucky enough the sauna was lit at my house and did contrast therapy right out of the plane and, someone was talking about reframing the idea of nervous system regulation because it's like the question was, are we really putting the nervous, are we really regulating? Are we putting the nervous system in a box where we're controlling it or are we navigating?

Ashley Beckman (41:47.867)
nice.

Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (41:57.171)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (42:05.427)
Yeah. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (42:07.852)
the nervous system was like, I really like that subtle shift in a descriptor. So I'm going to start adopting that navigating my nervous system and my response to, to outside world.

Ashley Beckman (42:17.501)
Yeah, and even the things we say have so much impact, right? So if we keep talking about nervous system dysregulation or whatever, just keeps impacting us that something's wrong, right? It's the same when you talk to clients. I think all the time, I gently find a way to see if we can reframe certain words because they just, of course you don't realize.

Freddie Kimmel (42:24.961)
Mmm.

Ashley Beckman (42:43.323)
Again, when someone keeps talking about how sick they are all the time or even identifies as sick or identifies as having something, right? That puts so much into your psyche and just keeps re -engraining that you are not well, right? And that's the opposite of what we're trying to do here.

Freddie Kimmel (43:01.132)
Yeah, I mean, I understand that we name so we can treat and so we can bill for it in the US, but it's not always helpful and it doesn't really impact outcome. I also, want to ask a couple more questions about, I want to talk about for people at home, you've gone through mold exposure. This is a new conversation for you. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but cell wall, cell wall membrane, and you said PC. Now I know that's phosphatidylcholine.

Ashley Beckman (43:04.702)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (43:22.559)
Mm

Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (43:29.024)
yeah, sorry. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (43:29.912)
But why do we support the cell membrane? What happens when we have a mold exposure or about with a chronic illness? Why is cell membrane important to nourish?

Ashley Beckman (43:39.199)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (43:42.815)
Sure. So basically the cell membrane is kind of like the castle wall, right? It should protect all the contents of the most precious things, which are cells. And basically you can create and nourish, sorry, you can nourish and support this phospholipid layer. we use, there are certain things that can help with that. There's PC. And then again, so the big companies that do that are BodyBio.

Freddie Kimmel (44:02.104)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (44:11.657)
Quicksilver has one that I like and then also there's one by Prodrome which is an egg yolk version as opposed to soy. So you know me, I kinda like the egg yolk version and it's just different. But it's the same, basically you wanna protect this because that is going to help from things entering the cell that aren't supposed to. So we want to create that stability. Unfortunately,

Freddie Kimmel (44:37.71)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (44:39.195)
A lot of these pathogens, again, they're very intelligent and they find their way into our organs and body and just whole system and cells, and they are very destructive. So while we still need to get them out because they are... When they're a problem for us, it's because A, they shouldn't be there or there's too many of them. I always talk about kind of like the gut as this happy cohesive place.

right, where it's not, it's not our job to just eradicate these things all the time, right? Mycotoxins are a little different, they're extra toxic, but you know, we have, we always have Candida, we have all these so many trillions of cells and things like that, but the amount of different types of gut bacteria and yeast and fungal and everything, it's more about keeping it, you know, in alignment and happy so that we're not reacting from all of their waste, right?

Freddie Kimmel (45:15.8)
Mm

Ashley Beckman (45:36.263)
A lot of the things that we react to is not the actual organism. It's what they give off. So when you have too many of them, what we're not able to do is filter out all those endotoxins. And that's where we're cleaning things up as well. But so that involves finding that and getting that out, right? Either with various ways.

Freddie Kimmel (45:36.535)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (45:40.204)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (45:51.789)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (46:00.46)
Yeah. Yeah. think it's just something to, I, this, was a late, I want to say last three years, I've really started to understand cell membrane and you know, how it gets dried out. It's not permeable. We have problems releasing toxins from the internal components. have problems taking in the nutrients that we're supplementing with. it's, it's really, it's really an important conversation. have a friend going through he's, he's been going through a lot of, challenges with lime and mold and

Ashley Beckman (46:19.827)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (46:30.22)
Now this is a very expensive investment, but I think he's doing a high dose phosphatidylcholine every week. I think he's doing six to eight weeks. It's a chunk of change. It's very expensive. What does something like that cost?

Ashley Beckman (46:41.791)
It's very expensive, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (46:47.135)
Are you sorry, are talking about IV or is he doing high dose? yeah. I actually, I don't know the cost for IVs, plus I'm in LA, so our costs are always way more. So, but yes, I mean, so I suggest though too, I mean, the protocols that I use are high dose oral PC, but again, I do really like the Prodrome one. It is very expensive. A little bottle is $200, right?

Freddie Kimmel (46:49.591)
I .V.

Freddie Kimmel (46:55.99)
Yes. Yeah, yes, yes, they are.

Freddie Kimmel (47:09.695)
Mm

Freddie Kimmel (47:16.065)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (47:16.791)
And, but again, so a lot of the work that's done with that is around also Alzheimer's and, you know, lot of, lot of anything that's impacting the brain, right? And a lot of these toxins are, so unfortunately it's not something you always, you know, have to, to be on, but you do need these therapeutic doses that you kind of front load. And then, but you have to ease in, right? You still, you could feel sick. So it's.

Freddie Kimmel (47:39.682)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (47:44.593)
Again, everything is so customized and tailored, but there are certain things that people can do. Cause you were saying, you know, kind of like, what does someone do if they suspect they might be exposed to mold, right? That's a very different situation than someone is, you know, bed bound and not functioning. But so a lot of my clients are in the, I have, I definitely have bed bound ones, but there are a lot that are basically, they're still very functional, but they're not who they used to be at all.

Freddie Kimmel (47:57.368)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (48:10.786)
Mm -hmm. Now.

Ashley Beckman (48:12.627)
Right? And they can't continue in that way because they can't play with their kids. They can't be a good parent. Their job is not doing well because of the brain fog. And again, and there's so much anxiety too, right? Because they don't think they're ever going to get better. And is this their new life, right?

Freddie Kimmel (48:26.36)
I know.

Freddie Kimmel (48:30.082)
Yeah. Yeah. I had a lot of anxiety just the last little two month blip that I just, it was very scary for me. lot of PTSD came up when you say high dose, PC phosphatidylcholine, and we're talking about like a body bio, right?

Ashley Beckman (48:36.424)
Right.

Ashley Beckman (48:47.855)
That's like four to four tablespoons and Gosh the caps are like There's some it's so many. Yeah. No, right. Yeah the caps. I don't use the caps much I know that they're great for travel, but the therapeutic dose is so many that it's it's like you go through a bottle in a week, right? I mean, so I do try to always get the big bottles for clients right of the big PC

Freddie Kimmel (48:50.734)
What if it's the capsules?

Freddie Kimmel (48:55.95)
20. Is that?

Freddie Kimmel (49:03.394)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (49:11.245)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (49:17.695)
But again, this is when you're you're front loading and you're dealing with very sick people, right, with mold, right? So PC though, for a lot of people is, can be a game changer just in how they feel energetically. And then to me again, it's part of a protocol that's just really laying these foundations of the cell membrane health that is very critical while we're working at getting rid of what's accumulated.

Freddie Kimmel (49:23.256)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (49:45.87)
Yep. Beautiful. And so, you know, we've said all this stuff and I've had plenty of conversations about mold over the last five years and biotoxin illness and Lyme probably, I know, there's probably 20 episodes. I think, you know, the big question we, that the challenge we come up against is like the state of overwhelm, you know, cause people hear they're like, you know, if I were put me, put me 10 years ago, I'm listening to Richie Shoemaker or

Ashley Beckman (49:54.284)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (49:58.271)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (50:04.723)
Yes. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (50:12.723)
Thank

Freddie Kimmel (50:13.442)
Dave Asprey and I'm making notes on this and I'm going out and I'm like, I'm going to buy phosphatidylcholine. I'm going to go buy an OZO machine. I'm going to go figure out how to do hypoxic breathing. And then I'm kind of making up my own list because again, money's tight, but where does someone go to rain all this information and put it into a knowledge -based learning program with accountability?

Ashley Beckman (50:36.189)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So, one of my colleagues and I, we teach practitioners how to, you know, how to go through protocols and we, give our protocols and how to customize them. But what we do as well is we have a program called Mastering Mold where it's for our patients or clients who can't work with us. And it's basically a lot of the information that is about mold, how to

how to use the protocols that we would use. Again, not a lot of customization, but somewhat tweaking, and then also protocols for kids, right? Because a lot of times people can't work with a practitioner because it is very expensive. You're looking to clean up your home, which is a huge process. We go over a lot of that in our program as well. We have some experts on what to do about what's going on in the home. And...

But again, our focus is how to get this out of your body so that you can feel better and your family feels better too. So our program is great. is, it's eight weeks, but you're going to follow the protocol for much longer. That's just the amount of information and things and how we have it broken up. But yeah, it's really great. We give you all of our resources for, you know, products, saunas we like, detox pathways, how to open them, working on foundations, nervous system piece of trying to help you.

navigate that each day. And yeah, and so it's our little baby. We love it because basically every single day we get asked about this. And then I have a really great free mold resource guide too that has a lot of information in it as well.

Freddie Kimmel (52:04.396)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (52:18.926)
Amazing. Where, where can people find a mastering mold and

Ashley Beckman (52:23.847)
Yes. Yeah. So Mastering Mold is just masteringmold .com. And then basically, if you want the free mold resource guide, I'm sure you can link it in the show notes, right? But I basically too will just, it's just on my website or Instagram. on drashley .com.

Freddie Kimmel (52:29.27)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (52:45.058)
Wait, and Ashley, do we, can we offer people a beautifully broken discount if they go to mastering mold and do the course.

Ashley Beckman (52:49.215)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. So we'll create your code, right? And it'll be 150 off.

Freddie Kimmel (52:58.092)
No way, that's amazing. I wanna take it.

Ashley Beckman (52:59.635)
Yes, yeah. Yes, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (53:03.424)
I need a kickstart.

Ashley Beckman (53:05.459)
I know, we need to get anything that's accumulated out, right?

Freddie Kimmel (53:09.588)
I mean, you know, again, I'm, I'm the perfect example. have access to so much information that I am drowning in it sometimes. And it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You know, and that's, I did that creative writing exercise yesterday. I was like, okay, what do I know to be true? You know, what do I, what do I know that I can always go back to? Right. There was a time when the internal milieu is relatively clean to a degree.

Ashley Beckman (53:18.385)
It's too much. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (53:26.494)
Yes, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (53:36.349)
Yeah, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (53:38.178)
You know, I understand like the role of, like we said on this podcast, taking breaks, not being totally driven by, the catecholamines like, like internal processing, sleep hygiene, quality of food, finding joy. Like I have these pillars that I know, you know, drainage first. I have these pillars that I'm always reminded of, but I almost think it would be a great morning meditation for us to create.

Ashley Beckman (53:48.767)
Hahaha

Ashley Beckman (53:56.371)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (54:07.366)
Mmm, yes.

Freddie Kimmel (54:08.076)
That's, that's a morning meditation, but it's also pattern ring patterning and some information that you can be like, yeah, I know that just like, know, you know, I used to know all the, used to know all the States and their capitals, not anymore.

Ashley Beckman (54:19.423)
No. Yeah, it takes you having kids to realize how much of that kind of information you've forgotten. Yep.

Freddie Kimmel (54:27.66)
Yeah, yeah, that's so fun. And who is your, who are you partnering with on this, on the, on the mastering mold?

Ashley Beckman (54:34.623)
Tori Thompson. So she's a chiro like functional practitioner as well. And we're good friends and we basically, yeah, we just want to educate people because again, every single day I get clients who have been dismissed by their doctor or what's even worse to me is when they're dismissed by a natural doctor who said mold is not that big of a deal or let's work on Epstein -Barr or let's work on SIBO. Your SIBO is not going to go away if you don't deal with the

Freddie Kimmel (54:51.35)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (54:57.666)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (55:04.243)
fungal and yeast and parasites and things like that too. It's never just one thing, right? So again, but because mold is so impactful, it has to be at the beginning of what you're addressing.

Freddie Kimmel (55:07.502)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (55:17.122)
Yeah. I, I, I certainly think it's something we can't ignore and yeah, I'm so glad that I, am not the ridiculous, oversensitized could not go into a target and not be in tears. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (55:30.739)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (55:35.477)
yeah, yeah, I'm not that way anymore either, but I mean, I can still smell, it's nice to be a canary a little bit, right? Because your body's warning you. Yet it's also, you know, unfortunately our world has a lot in it, but we should be able to go in places and not have a full blown reaction, right? Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (55:44.45)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (55:56.174)
I know. I have this picture that I went to Europe. It was probably 2022, probably early, probably the spring of 2022. And we, we had walked into an Airbnb in the, and behind a dresser, I could see spots on the ceiling behind when we moved the dresser. And it was like, like a horror movie, you know, on the wall, big black chunky spots. it grew up on the ceiling. Obviously like, you know, your transatlantic flight, your

Ashley Beckman (56:18.92)
my god.

Freddie Kimmel (56:24.3)
I'm lugging amp coils and bags and up four floors. We were so tired. We just looked at it and I wanted to cry because I was like, I'm so excited to lay down. I had eight hours of sleep till I had to go jump into performance mode. I mean, just walking around the apartment for half an hour, I have this picture which I will go find for this podcast. My face, this side was like this. I was like,

Ashley Beckman (56:26.565)
yeah.

Ashley Beckman (56:30.206)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (56:36.222)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (56:40.478)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (56:51.975)
yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (56:53.068)
And it was like swollen and puffy. And I was like, I was like, this isn't in my head. You know, it's not my head. But the beautiful thing was because I know all the things that we know and I do all the things that we do by eating clean, having some things to like really drive drive the energy. I luckily was traveling with an amp coil. had I had myself

Ashley Beckman (56:59.068)
No, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (57:14.365)
Yeah, you had people need tools, right? If you have trouble with tools, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (57:17.614)
I had my cell core binders. had everything. literally within four or five hours, my face was the rosy colorness was back. I mean, it was so, I'd never had a quick turnaround. It was one of the times I was like, I'm way better. Like, you know some, yeah, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (57:26.195)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (57:32.903)
Yeah, and isn't that great? Finally, right? When it's like, okay, I bounced back from this. And that's the thing I tell my daughter, because, you know, kids don't want to eat healthy and all this stuff. I mean, they kind of do. But I just said, you know, you don't know me as this person that I was. So the reason I do all these things, right, is because, you know, I would unfortunately, like, accidentally get a piece of gluten or, you know, some crumbs or crouton or something.

Freddie Kimmel (57:39.02)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (58:01.725)
And then I would be in a dark room vomiting for hours, you know what I mean? And not better for like, it takes out a full day. And there's people who it takes out multiple days, right? My migraines were at that point, like a certain way, but you know, people have it really horrible, right? And so, and she's just like, cause she doesn't know me as not, you know, as any of the things. Like I didn't, couldn't hike or exercise for years. Now we just did a...

Freddie Kimmel (58:09.774)
Mm

Freddie Kimmel (58:19.949)
I know.

Ashley Beckman (58:31.007)
like a mother -daughter mud run, you know what mean? Like all this stuff and I hike every weekend for a couple hours. Like I had to stop exercising because it was in my ankles, right? When it's in your ankles, you can't, there's not a lot you can do.

Freddie Kimmel (58:34.54)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (58:41.741)
Yep.

Brutal.

Ashley Beckman (58:46.301)
And so again, that's the thing. A lot of people, you know, it's, you, again, you don't really want to revisit the things you had before because they don't think that's very healthy, but it's always great to appreciate how far things have come. And this is with all natural ways, right? These are not with big side effects with other ways.

Freddie Kimmel (58:56.75)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (59:03.363)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (59:07.246)
Yep. Yeah. Amazing. So, and I just want to help people again navigate. So we'll put every link in the show notes and it's Dr. Ashley Beckman on Instagram. The course is in, is, in your profile. There's a link there, but it is www .masteringmold .com and we'll, we'll be able to do code beautifully broken. You'll get a 150 bucks. How much is the course?

Ashley Beckman (59:24.157)
Yes. Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (59:35.615)
I think it's $4 .95. So it's about $3 .50 with fat. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (59:38.458)
my, wow, that is a deal. my goodness, team. All right, we're gonna do a contest here. We're gonna see how many people can get signed. This is such a great value if you know somebody in your life that is struggling with mold and they're looking for all this information pulled into one area where it's digestible and there's direction and it's backed by evidentiary proof and 20 years of experience. Such a good resource, so affordable. I wish that...

this existed in my journey because man, first woman I thought, I think I've told the story. The first woman I found was an absolute quack and she was doing Richie Shoemaker's protocol. I mean, she had lost her license. She was like, had me giving her thousand dollars, $1 ,100 cash in an envelope for payment and just horrible experience. And I was so scared, but I was so sick. was willing to do anything.

Ashley Beckman (01:00:08.627)
Guess.

Ashley Beckman (01:00:17.769)
Yeah.

Ashley Beckman (01:00:26.726)
Ashley Beckman (01:00:33.533)
Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:35.724)
Man, what a great resource. I celebrate you and your work. We'll do this again. We talked about a lot. People got to know you, but we could just talk about just the different types of molds, know, Stachybotrys versus Chytonium and how those impact the body in different ways. yeah, I'm open to having this conversation go again. If you are, yeah.

Ashley Beckman (01:00:47.187)
Yeah. Yes.

Ashley Beckman (01:00:58.847)
Because again, like I said, I see the it's the most dismissed thing I see, right? And that's I'm so sad because it's so toxic for people that it has such a wide reach. And unfortunately, it manifests in generally different ways and with even within a family. So that's why it's again, very easy for people to just dismiss it and just go, well, I don't have those symptoms. That can't be from mold because

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:05.677)
Mm -hmm.

Ashley Beckman (01:01:25.821)
You know, you have brain fog and fatigue and our son has asthma and eczema. So this can't be the same thing, but it just, picks our weakest link, right?

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:31.682)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (01:01:35.36)
Yeah, that's that. That is true. Well, let's close it down here and we'll swing around again. It was lovely having you on as a guest. Thank you for being part of our beautifully broken experience. Dr. Ashley, big love.

Ashley Beckman (01:01:39.369)
Yes.

Ashley Beckman (01:01:49.427)
Love to you too, bye.