Molecular Hydrogen, Brown's Gas, and the Miracle Molecule with George Wiseman

We know that hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, while oxygen is the most common in the Earth’s crust. We know that together, they make up water, one of the most crucial resources for our survival. But did you know that through electrolysis of H2O, a special mixture of gas is produced that has amazing therapeutic benefits?

In this episode, we have George Wiseman. Beyond being an enjoyable and insightful guest, George is a purveyor of science, inventor, and the creator of AquaCure–a device that generates Hydrogen-rich water and the electronically-expanded water called Brown’s Gas. 

Let’s take a deeper look into the science and effects of Brown’s Gas, its fascinating overlap with decades of research on the therapeutic effects of hydrogen, and more! I’m excited to have you dive in!

Episode Highlights

[00:00] George Wiseman

[04:05] Brown’s Gas for Health Purposes

[15:53] Sharing Brown’s Gas with Others

[23:33] What is Brown’s Gas, and How Does it Help?

[30:58] What Happened When George Used Brown’s Gas

[35:38] Hydrogen Balance, Nutrition, and Improving Public Health

[42:59] Brown’s Gas and Natural Healing

[48:29] The Effect of Brown’s Gas in a Person-to-Person Context

[54:27] Biomarkers and Scientific Studies of Hydrogen for Health

[58:51] Applications of Brown’s Gas

[1:08:09] On Stacking Brown’s Gas with Other Alternative Wellness Treatments

[1:20:02] On Building a Bridge Between Allopathic and Alternative Medicine

[1:25:37] Promo for the Aquacure Device 

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (00:00.15)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I'm so excited for you to jump into this episode with George Weissman, the creator of the aqua cure, a purveyor of science and inventor who explores Brown's gas. Brown's gas is a mixture of diatomic and monatomic hydrogen and oxygen. And more importantly, this component of electronically expanded water. You know, I'm going to go into this story.

But this overlap of information, discovering how much hydrogen we produce as a result of digesting food and separating the bond of a carbohydrate has a direct correlation with our longevity and our health span in the body. And I love when these sciences overlap. And it was one of these aha moments that I won't give away in the middle of the podcast, but you got to listen to the whole thing. Me and George go for an hour and a half. It's a fabulous episode. As always, he has offered the beautifully broken podcast.

an incredible discount on his technology, his Brown's gas generator, which is available at eagle-research.com. And you'll use code beautifully broken in the checkout to have a 20 % discount on these Brown's gas generators, which you'll hear what they do. And if you're like me and you love the application of real world science to the body and physics meets your drinking water meets

longevity, you'll be exploring this. So let's jump on in.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (01:35.01)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (02:06.552)
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beautifullybroken.world store and they are just wonderful people. It's wonderful technology and they continue to make a difference and everybody they interact with. So just a big heartfelt thank you. Let's jump into the show. Big love. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I am here with a guest I've been waiting to talk to for a while. Mr. George Weissman. George, welcome to the show. It's wonderful to be here. I'm excited to have this conversation.

I've been doing my research on this and it's been over a month and a half because when you go down a rabbit hole and something you're excited about in the health and wellness container, it's just like, go deep. And what I said yesterday to a friend is like, sometimes I get nervous about the interview. I'm not nervous. was like, I feel like we're friends. You just seem like a really nice human being and a great guy from everything I've ever listened to that you've put out on YouTube or other podcasts.

Thanks for showing up that way. else can I do? Yeah. What else can I do? You're be my authentic self. George, we're going to talk about so much stuff today. And I got to jump in with the beautifully broken podcast. We talk about these people that walk through these pain to power scenarios. And I was really, you moved me to tears with your pain to power scenario, why you're investing time in what we're going to talk about today is Brown's gas and electronically expanded water.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (04:31.91)
and hydrogen and these things are all great. We're going to talk about it, but let's just go to a time that was really hard for you that brought you to this moment today in which you're working with a system called the AquaCure. Okay, we'll just start there because I agree. This is the podcast, Beautifully Broken. And this is what happened to me. I was broken. So what led me to being broken and then led me to be beautiful about it in a nutshell. We can get into it more later.

I was introduced to Brown's gas in about 1986. And I had understand electrolysis before that. And I, for various reasons, decided to do my own research into Brown's gas so I could have my own, welder in a shop and things. then in 1996, one of my water torch customers who had bought a Brown's gas machine large enough to provide gas to an acetylene torch. So it could replace the acetylene with the Brown's gas, which is a hydrogen oxygen, electrically expanded water mixture.

In any case, for no known reason whatsoever, and I didn't believe him, he told me that he had cured his melanoma on his forehead by bubbling browns gas in water and then soaking the melanoma several times a day with the browns gas bubble of water. And I didn't believe him. In fact, I did put out a notice to my customers, which were several thousand at the time, saying that here's a possible application of browns gas for health purposes. Now we were using it for.

increasing combustion efficiency in vehicles and as a torch replacement fuel at that time, primarily. There's about 30 different applications for it, but that's like radioactive neutralization and things like that. But in any case, one of the potential uses was for health theoretically. And it took me until 2005 when my customers sent in enough testimonials that I decided to try it myself. So from 1996 to 2005,

I didn't even really believe it myself. And then I did. in 2007, I hadn't gotten sick since 2005 to 2007. So like I used to get three colds or flu per winter. I could count on it like clockwork and go through lots of tissues and medicine and all that. So in that case, I didn't get sick at all. So I thought, okay, I tried it on myself. It seems to be a good thing. So I modified my tabletop electrolyzer that I had developed called the ER50 so that people could bubble water without

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spending thousands of dollars on a large machine. And then I sold many thousands of those ER50s. And over the years, people started asking me, okay, we're bubbling the water, which we can use the bubbled water on the skin. We can use the gas on the skin and we can drink the bubbled water. But what about inhaling the gas? So I told people, I don't think it's a good idea to inhale a combustible gas. This gas goes bang really easily. Yeah. And so I misinformed all these people from

It would have been 2007 until March of 2016 when I started inhaling the gas myself. But in case to back up just a little bit, a customer sent me a video of a Korean hydrogen bar using Brown's gas. I recognized the machines because this is my business and I know who else is in the business. And so I knew it was a Brown's gas machine they were using. And I realized that I had been wrong because I'd forgotten that if you mix the gas with enough air,

it becomes non-combustible. As long as the hydrogen content of the mixture is under 4.7 % in air, it's non-combustible. So you could inhale the gas and get the therapeutic benefits without any danger whatsoever, because the gas itself is 100 % non-toxic. If it wasn't for this propensity of exploding, you could literally replace air with Brown's gas and be healthier. it doesn't matter if it's a nitrogen-oxygen mixture or a hydrogen-oxygen mixture.

It would be just as healthy for you or more healthy because 62 % of your body is hydrogen. There's not actually so much nitrogen in your body, most of it is hydrogen. It's 24 % oxygen, 12 % carbon and 2 % everything else, including the nitrogen. So breathing your nitrogen oxygen mixture isn't as helpful as breathing an oxygen hydrogen oxygen mixture, but nitrogen oxygen isn't combustible.

Hydrogen oxygen is combustible. So I told people not to and I was wrong. I apologize. And in any case, it turns out that at this particular time in December of 2015, I was a 24-7 caretaker to my late wife. At that point, we had been battling a disease, which it turns out was a severe form of lupus since somewhere about 2009-ish.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (09:27.054)
Because it gradually, gradually, gradually over the years was destroying her organs. was an autoimmune disease that was destroying her organs. But we didn't know it was lupus. And my late wife had this. She was a wonderful woman as well, a multimedia artist. She had been a principal of a Montessori school. She just had a long list of things that she had done in her life, all exceptionally well. And I wouldn't be where I am today without her.

Absolutely not. She taught me a lot. She did a lot, set things up. It was great. In any case, we were fighting this disease. And at the point in December of 2015, it had progressed to where I had to carry her to and from the bathroom. She couldn't even roll over in bed without assistance. She'd gone blind. Her organs, like her pancreas and her kidneys and such were failing. And she'd lost her hair, most of it.

And that was a beautiful feature that she loved. And so it was actually kind of a blessing that she was going blind because she, she hated seeing her hair gone. was heartbreaking. So in any case, I couldn't be away from her for more than 20 or 30 minutes at a time. So my grocery shopping and anything I was doing like laundry and stuff, I was always going back and forth. got very little sleep. I was in pretty poor shape by the time March of 2016 rolled around. And just in the beginning of March, she told me.

I have to go to the hospital. can't breathe. And she had avoided the hospital all this time because she thought hospitals were places it went to die. And so it was so. In about 10 days after she had gone to the hospital, she died. And that was very difficult time for me. I couldn't even go into the apartment. It took me five tries to even get in back into the place where we lived because every time I went in and looked at her things, just

had to turn around and leave again. And when I managed and I'd walk for a few miles and then I'd come back and try again and I managed to stay but I never slept in our bed again. I slept on the couch. I pretty much stayed on the couch for a week then I just was just staring off into space. I had nothing to do. I had been a 24-7 caretaker of this woman who was now gone and so anyway there were times it was so I was so much in grief that I went

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (11:50.476)
My chest would hurt so bad that I'd realized I hadn't taken a breath. My body's an anatomic system of actually breathing was not even really working properly. I'd have to remember to breathe. So I eventually came up with the idea of setting up one of my ER 50s to inhale from. And that video is, you can look at that video and I encourage people to do that on my YouTube channel and look at my face now and look at my face then.

You'll see that I actually look younger now than I did when I first started to inhale the gas. However, inhaling the gas saved my life. I'll get to that in just a little bit longer, but we're talking about being broken. And as bad as this brief was, this is not the point I'm going to be talking about the fact that was broken. So I set up the machine. I started to inhale the gas. I videotaped myself the first time I was inhaling the gas.

because I felt if anything went wrong, there would at least be a record of my idiocy. Turned out it wasn't so idiotic. I started over the days and weeks to follow to get some serious health benefits that I did not expect. I was totally inhaling the gas just to prove it was safe because I'd set up my machine so there'd be a 2 % gas that I'd be inhaling. So it's well into the 4.7 % limit.

amazing things. you go to eagle like the bird dash mark research dot life, L-I-E-F-E and read about me, you'll read about the various things that were happening. I can't even remember them all. Once they're gone, it just kind of goes out of out of your memory. But it's a great place to be when you're not thinking about somebody said this to me last week. They said, I just wonder what it would be like and to get out of bed and not worry about my health. I'm just living life, you know, like

But when you get enough days in a row, you forget that you used to struggle with things. And pain. When people get to be my age, 65, you've got pains. I have no pains. I haven't had pains for years now because all the ailments that I was having that were causing pain have mitigated and been gone. So I'm actually I get up in the morning. I have no pain. And I really appreciate that.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (14:15.34)
Because when you live with constant pain, and then it's gone, that's something you don't forget. When I get a pain, like I smashed my finger, this finger here the other day in a door, because I was stupid, that hurt. And I remembered, that's what pain feels like. But even that was gone within a couple hours, there's no more pain. This doesn't hurt at all.

Yeah. And for people that aren't watching the video, George has got a nice black and blue fingernail there. When I was, you know, the audience is like, Freddie, don't talk about your autoimmune, your chronic illness and cancer. But when I first started with, I woke up one morning in incredible pain, full body, every joint, hands, knees. And it was like, they were hot to the touch. Initially a doctor, they kept coming back with, must, it must be like lupus or really couldn't find a biomarker, you know, to define what was going on.

But the pain was so intense that I was just kind of masking with like some endomethacin and painkillers and Advil all day long every day. That I remember I was like, wow, what an inhibitor to living your life or following a dream. The only thing you're really trying to do is get through the day and manage pain. And I think there's so many Americans out there, so many people in the world that live with this low level of chronic inflammation and chronic suffering that you forget about it.

And so to get out of that, really is like, man, what a gift. think there's like, it's just, you know, that's again, that's why I'm so excited about some of these new discoveries about what hydrogen and electronically expanded water does in the body. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Okay. So I was convinced because I tried it on myself that it'd be safe if I recommended it to other people. So I told all the thousands of people that had bought ER 50s that they could

do this modification and inhale the gas, which I happen to have my car. I'm just putting on my cannulas right now because I usually start a podcast like this without them oxygen cannulas on. Now I'm inhaling the Brown's gas. So in any case, I was doing it myself so I could recommend it to people and I would know that they weren't going to have explosions in their lungs or any other negative side effects. In fact, there's been over 2000 studies now of various hydrogen

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (16:37.268)
mitigating ailments and studies of studies and they are universally zero negative side effects. There are side effects, but it's usually something else being healed. Then what the ailment they're going after gets better, but other things get better as well. So it was very interesting. About three months after I started, I told these people what they could do to modify their ER 50s and I continued to sell ER 50s. now with this modification on,

So they've got the four protocols where you could inhale the gas, could put the gas on the skin, you could drink the water, or you could put the water on the skin. A woman got back in touch with me and told me without knowing that my late wife had lupus, because at this point I hadn't told anybody about that. She said that she had lupus symptoms and in three weeks time they were gone. I had Brown's gas for health been told by God for some odd reason.

in 1996. Didn't try it myself in 2005, but I had Brown's gas since 1986, but known about health purposes since 1996. And of all the things that I tried with my late wife, and I was $300,000 in debt, by the way, at that particular point in March of 2016, we were, we'd spent money on all kinds of things, anything we could find to try to help this woman get healthy. To the day she died, I was

doing my best to help her get healthy. As she laid there in bed, she even begged me a couple of times to let her go because she could see how it was affecting me. And she was just that kind of person. But I couldn't and I didn't. And so when this woman told me that she had had lupus and it was gone in three weeks time, I remembered the almost decade that I had fought. We had fought and I had Brown's gas and never thought.

to give her browns gas. And that literally, literally laid me out on the floor. I could not even get up off the rug to get onto the couch. I just was absolutely floored in every sense of the word. The only way that I finally figured out how to get off the floor was to not let this happen to as many other people as possible. To make it my life's mission.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (19:02.668)
to make sure that as many people as possible get Brown's guest so they don't go through what we went through. And I got up off the floor and I've been doing that every day since the last few years, since that would be about June or August of 2016, getting up at as early as three o'clock in the morning, working as late as eight o'clock every day, seven days a week. I've been doing this because I have to.

I can't let other people, if it's possible, go through what we did. So that was my real broken point. And hopefully it's turned into something beautiful. My wife would have loved that. Yeah. I know your wife's proud. I know she's beaming proud and there's evidence of her and the strength to which you present this honest information from your own subjective experience and the people that have reflected back to you what's happening for them.

at home. I've talked to numerous people that I deeply, deeply trust and respect in the wellness space. It's like the third person said, got to get George on. You got to talk to George. It's amazing. And I had heard of molecular hydrogen. I've listened to Tyler LeBaron talk, and I've looked at all the data from the Molecular Hydrogen Institute. And the only thing I could say is my subjective experience

Now the only thing I've done is ever ever done the little magnesium tablets that you pop in water and they dissolve they release some molecular hydrogen, which is different in my experience. It's not been that amazing. I noticed a little energetic lift, but a couple people have said you got to look into Brown's gas. And so the universe is just keeps opening up doors. And so Natalie Nidam said, got to talk to George. And so I just, applaud you for your work and your perseverance. And I also think that like,

There is nothing like this human experience. It's so pain. I always tell people it is life is very painful. Anybody who tells you something different is selling you something, which is like a great quote from the Princess Bride. And it's just the way it is. Right. But it's what do you do with that? How do you like stand in the face of like this rock in the middle of a weird galaxy spinning around a ball of fire? And you stand up every morning. You're like, I'm to do good for other people.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (21:27.692)
And that's what you're doing. And I just, I just applaud you. Thank you, George. I can't do any different. It yeah. It just became my life. just became everything. And I honestly want to help, which is one of the reasons I have a lifetime warranty on the machines. So if anything happens, it's manufacturer error. I pay the shipping, the labor, the parts, everything to make sure people get a good working machine and

I have a one year satisfaction guarantee on these machines. So you can try it for a year. If it doesn't work for you, that's fine. Return it. If you get it you don't like the color of the paint, that's fine. Return it. want people to not because this is one of the things that happened to me. One of the reasons that we were three hundred thousand dollars in debt. We were buying machines like microcurrent machines and stuff. Yeah. And micro parents are good for certain ailments, but it wasn't what we needed for.

You didn't have the heavy lifting. So we were treating the wrong things. We didn't know. So I ended up with a whole bunch of machines and technology and spent money on things that we didn't need. There was no guarantee. There was no returning any of this stuff. So we just ended up in debt. I don't want people to have that happen with the aqua cure. So when you buy an aqua cure, just have no problem that you can return it.

and get your purchase price back. Because again, I want to help people. I don't want to put them in debt. I want them to have something that works for them. Or I want that machine to go to somebody else that'll work for them. I can only build a certain number a day. Yeah. And that's why this podcast is here. Yeah. The same thing, just hundreds of thousands of, know, every single extra dollar, every dollar, $35,000 a year in Amazon supplements. All of it.

It just was like unbelievable because you'll do anything at that point, right? You're like, does nothing matters aside from me being able to function? That's exactly right. When you haven't got your health, you've got nothing. Let's just answer what is Brown's gas? Because I mentioned molecular hydrogen, which is not what we're talking about. There's similarities. But what is Brown's gas? Yes, Brown's gas contains molecular hydrogen.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (23:48.564)
and in levels that are therapeutic. So everything that molecular hydrogen can do, Brown's gas can do, but generally better because it also contains something called electrically expanded water. So I have a place on my website. What is Brown's gas? People can Google it and they can get to the equals hyphen research.com website. They can look at the frequently asked questions and they can see what is Brown's gas. It'll give a much longer definition than I'm going to say right now, but traditionally

Electrolysis cells, electrolysis is where you're splitting the water into hydrogen and oxygen, have a membrane in the middle of them, what I call a Faraday cell, and hydrogen comes out one hose and oxygen comes out the other. The membrane prevents the gases from mixing inside the electrolyzer. So, turns out, if you don't have a membrane, then all the gases come out one hose, obviously the oxygen and hydrogen mix, but something else happens inside the machine as well.

that isn't traditional electrolysis. It's the formation of what I call electrically expanded water or EXW. Turns out that's a plasma form of water. So matter has four states. You've got a solid, a liquid, solid is ice, liquid is water, gas generally is water vapor or steam, and the final phase is called a plasma. It's an ionized gas. Well, when you add electrons to water, you get a negatively charged ionized form

of water. So it's in a gaseous form with lots of extra electrons. And that's really important for several reasons, but we'll talk about it for health in this particular case. So we get this gas forming right out of the fluid itself, not on the cathode, the negative plate, which makes hydrogen, or the anode, which is the positive plate, which makes oxygen, but right in the middle of the fluid.

because there's something called an electron bridge that forms across between the anode and cathode and right and what it as the electrons travel, it's stuffing electrons into water molecules until the water molecules, they're still H2O. They have not split into hydrogen or oxygen, which is why they're not part of the Faraday equation, which is why you get this extra gas coming out that doesn't have anything to do with the amount of electron Faraday. So you get this gas forming out of the center and

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (26:11.061)
These three gases, the oxygen, the hydrogen, and the electrically expanded water, all come out of the same hose, and that's what we call Brown's gas. Beautiful. It's probably people are like, there's a theme here with this extra electrons and healing. It's a very commonly touched on topic, whether it's using a pulsed magnetic field to excite electrons, or it's a new form of silver, which will steal electrons.

It seems like really healing is a story of electron ownership or taketh away depending on who you're trying to rob it from. Yes. Yeah. So if you can take it away from cancer cells, for example, then you cause them to oxidize or burn and they die. But you don't want it taken away from your normal healthy tissues because of course then you get inflammation and a lot of things as well. So it's nice if your body has electrons that it can give to the things that it's supposed to and take them away from things that it's not supposed to.

So there's various therapies, but then it comes down to, this is one of the basis of earthing where people can walk in the sand with their bare feet and they get electrons actually coming out of the, because the ground is negatively charged. That's why lightning strokes actually go from the ground to the sky. A lot of people don't know that. The electrons come from the ground and go up into the sky. So that's why you can feel just before an electron strike,

All of a sudden there'll be an ionization around if people are paying attention and then but the strike actually goes from the ground up into the air. yeah, so electrons. All right, we'll back up just a little bit. Hydrogen is good and necessary as a building block, but a hydrogen molecule is absolutely neutral like a brick. Just doesn't do anything. It just kind of sits there. You have a pile of bricks. You can't make a brick house unless you have some energy.

to take those bricks over and some intelligence to know where to put the bricks to build a brick house. And that's what the body does. The body has intelligence that knows where to put the bricks. It just needs the bricks to do it. So you need to get the hydrogen in your body. Normally we aren't getting enough hydrogen. Most of us in the world today are hydrogen deficient because we normally get our hydrogen from our food. We can't just breathe it in because it isn't in the air.

Freddie Kimmel and George Wiseman (28:30.752)
As soon as you release hydrogen, it's so light molecule, it just flies up to God. So, it's also one of the reasons I call it the God molecule. It's just, there's other reasons that we may get to where it may not. see. But in any case, we get it from our food, but the hydrogen is tightly locked onto the food, the molecular bond, the atomic bond is really tight, especially the hydrogen to carbon bonds. So we're eating a hydrocarbon food, hydrogen carbon food, and we masticate it. We chew it and.

put in some enzymes, we put it in an acid bath in our stomach. We go into the small intestine with some bile and a bunch of microbiome. But it isn't until it just about is exiting our body in our colon that there's a special bacteria. It's supposed to be a special bacteria, which finally breaks off. We've done everything we can. We put in the enzymes and the catalysts everything possible to help loosen this atomic bond. And these special bacteria break it off.

the hydrogens and the hydrogen goes into your bloodstream through your colon wall. The colon can breathe just like your lungs, believe it or not. So in any case, but if people decimate those microbiome, which is happening with glycophage and artificial sweeteners and antibiotics, people are taking antibiotics that kills the good bacteria as well as the bad bacteria. And antibiotics are a modern miracle. They've saved millions of lives. Miracle. No question. Yes.

It's hurt us in the long term because now we have chronic diseases that we didn't necessarily have or have as much because our immune systems have become compromised. And the reason that happens is because a body knows how to stay alive. An example is if you go out in the cold and you're starting to freeze to death, your body will start shutting off blood flow to your extremities to preserve core temperature.

Similar thing happens when you're deficient in any particular nutrient, in this case, hydrogen. If you're deficient in hydrogen, the body starts shutting down non-immediately life-threatening systems. The first one it shuts down is like stem cells regeneration, because it's not immediately life-threatening. If you still don't have enough hydrogen, it starts shutting down your immune systems. And we have several different kinds of immune systems. And...

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If you're still the hydrogen deficient, then the organs start to fail and then you would die. So with myself, when I started to inhale the Brown's gas, one of the first organs that healed, actually in addition to the skin, I'll get to that in just a second, was my heart. I had a heart murmur most of the years of my life. So over 50 years, I had a heart murmur. I went in after a couple of years of inhaling the gas and my new doctor, because I had moved to new location, got a new doctor.

was doing a full physical and I told him I had a heart murmur and he said, no, you don't.

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That was pretty shocking and amazing and wonderful. But other things were happening as well. Like when I, after I started to inhale, and by the way, this is all after I started to inhale. When I was just drinking the hydrogen rich water, I just simply didn't get sick. So obviously my immune systems had been enhanced by the hydrogen rich water and it was doing good for me, but nothing like what I'm talking about now. Cause my neuropathy is continued. My tinnitus continued to get worse. I still had the heart murmur.

I still had scars on my body, all that. And in any case, the next thing I was noticing, and this happened within a few months, well actually in a few weeks, what happened was my psoriasis. I had a thick peeling skin on my elbows, knees and feet, because I grew up on a cattle ranch. I just thought it was calluses. I just lived with it all my life. But this start, the skin started to peel off like a snake, a snake shedding its skin. It was very disconcerting to have your skin like peeling off in large pieces.

But underneath it was not painful and underneath it was baby smooth skin, baby beautiful skin. that just all that psoriasis just peeled off. And I noticed that my warts, I had hand warts and again, I got them from a childhood friend. I'd had them most of my life. These warts went away and I had a planter's wart on my foot. Again, all gone. Now what that means is that the second level thing, the immune systems were turning back on.

because warts are a virus. And so my body got rid of a virus that had been hanging in there for 50 years. And then finally, another example of healing and stem cells specifically was my scars disappeared. Like I had right here on my forehead, if I bend mine, it's just possible to kind of see where the lines are. But anyway, I had a scar right here on my forehead. It was approximately half an inch in square, about a centimeter.

It was a big obvious scar that you could see on my forehead and it's completely gone along with most of the other scars on my body. In fact, I had a big scar on one of my knees. I won't say which one, because if people look at each knee, you can't tell where it was. It was three inches long and a half inch wide from a surgery I had when I was a child. So the, all of these scars disappeared, which means that. But the body was doing before because it couldn't regenerate like it should. It didn't have the STEM cells. were all shut down.

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It would just patch. Yeah. A scar is a patch just to make sure you don't bleed out. So it's a body's emergency mechanism. And once my body got enough hydrogen on a consistent basis, it went back and took away these patches and healed my skin. Yeah. So if you have a scar anywhere on your body, you're probably hydrogen deficient. That's just one easy and quick way to tell. But most, most of us are hydrogen deficient anyway. When we have these

aches and pains. had arthritis in my hands and I was losing functionality. It was painful to move and it was stiff. I now have full strength, absolutely zero pain in my hands. I had been losing the feeling in the palm of my left hand. So it was going numb and I was thinking I was going to lose the use of my hand because if you lose the nerves, in any case, I have full feeling strength back there.

I was losing feeling in the fronts of my shins from my knee down to my feet, knees, both knees down to my feet. You could poke pins in me. didn't feel a thing. It was totally numb. Neuropathies. I have full feeling back. So all of these things and much more were mitigated once I started inhaling the gas and all that happened after I started inhaling. Not when I was drinking the hydrogen rich water, which is good and brings us to another point in that the hydrogen rich water is good for healing.

some ailments and the inhaling is good for others. So that's why I think it's good to do both. So the tablets are good for emergency or interim use or something like that. But it's really good to be inhaling and drinking the hydrogen rich water. I have a question. Yes. So as you're saying this, it was incredible to me. You I love when there's overlap because you're kind of touching on a couple of things that part of

when I was really, didn't know what was going on with my immune system, I was diagnosed with this thing called SIBO, small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And here's the science. Now I went to the National Center for SIBO up in Portland, traveled all the way to see this fancy doctor. And one of the tests they gave me was a hydrogen breath test. And they wanted to see the ratio of hydrogen to methane that was produced from me essentially burping, you know,

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30 minutes, 45 minutes after I drank a glucose solution. And what we found was that I was methane dominant and I wasn't producing a lot of hydrogen because of the bacterial colonies in my large intestine. Now, nobody said, let's try to get your hydrogen down. I'd be really curious. like, if this center up in Portland, which thousands and thousands of people go to, it's very expensive. From my experience, got very limited results.

It was very frustrating. Even the person who ran the center was like very, did not look well. They looked like they were really on the struggle bus providing, you know, the theoretical solution for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. But I was so excited to just hear some interview in which you were, was like, my God, I did a hydrogen breath test. I looked at the production of hydrogen in my body and was very, very low. And it was my digestion was the absolute worst. So what you just said, there are benefits from the gas.

there's benefits from the water. So if we were to separate those two, what would you say the water might primarily be assistive with? don't know enough to list it. There are studies out there that do it and you'll see people that are promoting hydrogen-rich water saying that it's better than inhalation. There are people out there doing that and they'll point you to the studies that show that hydrogen-rich water is better than inhalation in those particular studies. So

I can't point to them myself right now. Sure. But that is a way to find out the answer to that particular question. Now, it's possible you heard me refer to a Japanese study where because Japanese are are obsessed with long life and appropriately. So I believe I mean, I love health spanned. I love that conversation. So they did a study a decade or so ago where they were measuring the hydrogen coming out of people's breath.

and they specifically measured it from short-lived families. a whole family. They were measuring the hydrogen coming out of the breath of whole families that were short-lived and whole families that were long-lived. And they discovered universally that the families that were longer-lived had excess hydrogen coming out of their breath, and the short-lived ones had almost no hydrogen coming out of their breath or none. And I believe that

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Metabolically, that meant that the long-lived families had a microbiome that supported making the hydrogen. So if you're getting methane, methane is a carbon with four hydrogens attached. Okay. And that means you have four of those atomic bonds that I was talking about earlier that weren't broken. And so the digestion didn't complete. That's what it's showing. And if it had completed, if you fart hydrogen, actually, your farts are almost, they don't smell.

because hydrogen has no smell. So if you're farting and it's smelly, you have incomplete digestion. Right, right. Especially that, I mean, that's a very, very common, you know, the community in which is struggling with Lyme and chronic illness. It's just, you know, that's that you kind of know you're like, my, I've either got to, I've got to investigate a parasite cleanse or I really need to do a new stool diagnostic to see because I've everything slowed down now.

Of course, there's elements of the nervous system, which are going to say that wave that I send from my tongue all the way to my anus, we're going to slow that because you're scared you're in a constant state of flight right now. So there's many, many determining factors into why that happens. But I'm almost starting to think of this as less like I started to think of it as like a treatment, but really we're talking about a food. It's exactly right. It's a food. The brown's gas is a food. That's right. That's exactly right. It's not medicine.

Nutrition. Yes, like food be your medicine and medicine be your food. They'll say, yes, Hippocrates had it right. So the other thing that happened as far as this long life goes, that fit right in with that same thing was rodent studies. There's been several mouse and rat studies using hydrogen where they're inhaling a 2 % hydrogen mixture. And what they do is they make like a terrarium because they can't put little cannulas on their little noses. And so the environment that they're in has

hydrogen in it at a 2 % mixture. they're inhaling it and they discovered it. gave a minimum healthful lifespan increase of 30%. Minimum. Most of them were at 50 % healthful life increase. So if you can imagine that the average lifespan was somewhere like 75, if you get an 50 % lifespan increase, that's pretty good. Especially since we spend our first 20 years just figuring out how to wipe our butts.

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Yes. my God. know. I know that's just messy time all around socially and from a cleansing standpoint. Sure. And we spend our next 20 years figuring out what we're going to do with our lives. Okay. Getting our training and, then, now we're 40 and now we have say 20 years of we actually do something and then we retire. Can you imagine if you, if you put another 20 or even 40 years onto a person's lifespan?

how much more they could do, how much more they could enjoy, how much more they could see. They would see generations of their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren being born and being able to play with them. The joy of life, because it's healthful life. It's not like you're hooked up to a machine in a bed with pretty much zero, like my late wife was, her quality of life had gone down to nothing. I've been there, I've seen it.

And it isn't just the person that's in the bed that suffers because she indeed was suffering. It's the people that are supporting those people that are suffering as well. So you get whole families when you don't have health, you get whole families that are suffering. We got to stop this. Well, I say this all the time. you know, look at the world is like we're in a unique place right now. What we need is stronger, more resilient, anti-fragile human beings because we're very rich. George, you're a great example.

You what I mean? We didn't even get into all the other stuff. You're an incredible inventor. The things that you've discovered alone on that, like in the automotive and gas saving industry, which we didn't even touch on yet, are incredible. But you had this experience in which you got incredibly motivated, but you also had juice in the tank to be able to see that work through, which doesn't always happen. So I think this is a...

You know, again, it's like cellular food for people to better show up for themselves in the planet. It's very much needed. Which reminds me of the additional thing I was going to say as far as it saved my life. I didn't know this at the time, but doctors are now prescribing. There are some doctors in the world that are prescribing Brown's gas for people who are despondent and depressed. And there was no

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more despondent and depressed than I was when I was in grief from the loss of my late wife. My body was just even trying to shut down. can see and I understand why so many spouses follow their deceased spouse into the grave, sometimes within weeks, because I've been there, I've experienced it. But when I started to inhale the brown scass, it's almost impossible to be depressed. It's an odd thing. Whatever causes depression in a person's body,

The body itself comes alive. Well, it speaks to the natural state, you know, our natural state of human beings to eat and sleep and play and be jovial and laugh. And we do have a sense of creativity. But if you start to bog it down with this, you know, we could do the whole list of environmental toxicity and just then the constructs of life. It's like, you know, what we're programmed to, what that was supposed to bring us joy is not always in alignment with the way the body works.

So it's just getting it back into that state. Very, very true. But an additional thing happened, which I keep forgetting. My libido came back big time. Amazing. Like I was 20. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. And you hear that, you know, with, people are like, I started eating desiccated organs and like my libido came back. I started, you know, I pulled out these things, right? That I maybe not were great for my health.

and the body remembers that it has a sex drive that you maybe shouldn't lose. So I finally came to the realization that I had a new life. My old life was gone with all the hopes and dreams and plans of my late wife. And so I had to build a new life and I've built a new life. I started dating again. I am remarried. I love my wife. We're having a wonderful life. She doesn't like that I worked so much.

And I appreciate that she wants to spend time with me very much, but I do have this drive inside me to do this thing. So I have a new life and it's because of the Brown's Gas in so many ways, personally and helping other people as well. That's why it saved my life. I just wanted to kind of put that in as part of the beautifully broken mark. Would you come out to the beautiful on the other side? Yeah. And so, you know, the one of the

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I know this is probably like the most boring question, but people are like, well, can Brown's gas help me with dot dot dot, which I actually think is a it's not a great question, you know, because what we always want to do as human beings, we like want to sub out our understanding of healing and we want to put it into like this weird like pharmaceutical container. And I think this is a correct me if I'm wrong, George, like I think it's a different conversation. I think that when we're talking about like it's.

holding the body's innate healing systems back online as opposed to treating disease. Even though that happens, like you said, the body does this naturally, like there's an intuitive nature to using a brick and like building something with it, right? You need the architect and the design. have this quantum computing system that does that. Yes, absolutely. And it's not a bad question. I understand.

It's inappropriate in a lot of ways because I'm not an MD and I'm not legally allowed to say and I and there's so many things I don't understand about the body and health. I am amazed every day as I'm learning more and more of how astonishing the body is, how many things work together. It's absolutely incredible, but it does it without my conscious knowing and to answer that particular question I can't legally answer.

But that's why I have the one year satisfaction guarantee because people can, whatever the dot dot dot is, try it out. If you're not satisfied, if it isn't working for you, get the machine back to me. I get your money back to you so I can turn that machine around to someone else that maybe it can help. Now, literally less than 1 % of the machines come back to me.

Most of them, and most of those are from people who never even took it out of the box or took it out of the box, took a look at it, decided they couldn't do the maintenance or whatever the case may be and didn't even use the machine. It's really, really rare. Like a thousand to one where people will actually send it back where they actually tried it and it didn't work for them. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. Those are great numbers as far as like a customer guarantee and a satisfaction. I love that you give the opportunity.

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for people to try this for a full calendar year. That's absolutely incredible. And I think it's maybe you can speak to this a little bit. Let's talk about scope. know, should I be, let's say I say, I want to do this. I want to try Brown's gas. I got pain. I lack focus. I've got inflammation. If I started breathing and nebulizing, which I'm going to do, I'm going to start my N equals one experiment. How long should I expect to like feel something or see a shift or I know it, I know it depends.

I answered my own question. You did and it was accurate, but let's just put a little more context on it. Every body is different. Every physical person is different. Every condition that they are in is different. Their environment, their lifestyle, everything is different. So there literally is no way that I could tell anyone how much of what is going to work for them. I have some

Guidelines that people can follow and kind of pay attention to as they figure it out for themselves So we start with every body is different so to give an example The first time I inhaled I inhaled for 15 minutes. That's on video. I Did not sleep that night. I was wide awake and alert all night Absolutely, no coffee buzz or anything like that. Just alert So whatever it did inside my body

caused me not to sleep. And I laid there in bed all night. I literally was thinking I was going to fall asleep anytime. There was no pain or anything. was just, I was alert. I was just laying there thinking all night. Got up the next day, didn't really have any problems with fatigue or anything, but I decided I would start inhaling in the morning instead of the night so that I could sleep in the night. And I did, I inhaled in the morning and didn't inhale in the evening and I was perfectly fine. And then after a period of time,

I could inhale well 24 seven doesn't make any difference. My body is now has the gas is used to it and I still am alert. That's one of the reasons why I like to inhale while I'm at the computer because I can work for hours at a time without drinking coffee or anything and stay alert. So it's one of those nice thing. Nice side benefits of the gas. Okay, conversely, my current wife, my love very much.

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inhaled the gas for the first time for about 15 minutes the first time in the evening about 6 30 just like I had and Got the best night's sleep that she could remember. Mmm Exactly the opposite in the same household so that there's no real way of knowing what's going to happen But what I do is I tell people if you have what I call a negative weirdness Because the gas is 100 % non-toxic. There's nothing you can do to harm you if you notice anything that's negative

It's probably the body doing something to try to heal itself. And since it's nutrition, I like to use the example of fasting. If people have fasted a water fast for a month, for example, and then they eat a seven course meal, they're going to feel sick. Death. You could die. Literally. Literally. So what you do is you have a little soup in order to break a fast like that. Yeah. If you've been hydrogen deficient, hydrogen is nutrition. If you've been hydrogen deficient for

extended period of time, which most of us have. Like I was hydrogen deficient since I was a child because I had those scars. So obviously I wasn't getting enough hydrogen even back then to heal my body properly. So coming back to today. So some people can just jump in and inhale and have absolutely no problem, no negative thing. They'll may notice positive things like increased energy, alertness, strength.

Like my muscles hardened. I just remember that was another thing that I happened. I'm stronger now than I was when I was 40 years old. Right. And I wasn't exercising. So the NS1 thing has been noted in scientific studies is the hydrogen acts like a mnemonic, an exercise mnemonic. Is that the right word? Where you get the same results as if you're exercising just from inhaling the gas. That sounds great. Yeah. And athletes, people that are exercising,

they notice an increase in their athletic abilities. Can you imagine if we, we, didn't say this to the audience, but we both have brutes in Buffalo. Could you imagine if we got the Buffalo Bills on this thing? I want everybody on the team. What the fuck? They won't almost win the playoffs. They'll crush it. Yeah. I want the bills to win a Superbowl so bad. Okay. If they did this starting now,

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They may or may not win the super bowl this year, but they would definitely win the super bowl next year. If they started right now, every one of them inhaling the Brown's gas. Okay. So maybe somebody, come on. Somebody, somebody's got to have an in managers here somewhere trainer that I know that you got to get into the right person's ear and then it goes and they won't get sick. Like they won't be missing a training. If they get sprains or anything, it heals a lot faster. Like I, I was.

pounding fence posts. I made it when you pound steel fence posts, they have a special pounder for it, but I didn't have one. So I just kind of took a pipe and was doing it. And I sprained my shoulder, my left shoulder hard enough that I knew based on previous experience of all in my life, it would take at least three weeks to heal. In three days, I had full strength and no pain in that shoulder three days. It healed that fast. People that have been getting burns on their skins and sprains and just

The healing is so much quicker. So if the bills didn't get a hurt, even while they're playing during the season, they would, they'd heal so much quicker. I want it so faster, quicker. Yeah. There's no downside whatsoever. Yeah. It's water vapor and they always have a year to return them. And they have a year to return them. We could give, I, they could buy a one for every bills person out there and return it after a year. If they didn't like it. There you go.

man. I'm going to put that out there. I'm going to put that out there, George. We're going to make that happen. Any team. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Only there's no drug testing for this. It's water. Yeah. Do you think from your understanding of the science and the knowledge to date, like some studies from Japan or maybe even some crossover from molecular hydrogen Institute, are there things that would change in a

like a CBC, like a blood profile or lipids or biomarkers that you would expect to see shift or not sure? That's a good question. That's a really good question. I've had my blood looked at many different ways and every different way shows that it's really healthy blood. Yeah. And when they look at it with a dark field microscope, for example, they see extra flashes in there, like lots of blood. I don't know if you've seen dark field, live dark field. yeah.

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blood analysis. Have you seen the little pinpricks of light? George, that's like literally I've had mine pulled like two years ago and someone was like, this is very rare. You have like the God particle. had like flashes of light in my blood. That's right. I had that. That's one of the things you'll find. when I and this gets into another big advantage of the browns. think it's extra electrons, right? Is that possible? It could be something's happening and it's definitely energetic. Yeah.

photons and light like that. Okay. I have a video of that. I'm going to send it to you. Yes. Excellent. Yeah. So I was going from, I don't have a video. only have pictures so it doesn't show it as well. But I went from Buffalo to Albuquerque because I was speaking in Albuquerque a few years ago and I wanted, this is the first time I had my blood looked at with the dark field because I knew it was going to happen there. I immediately went, essentially I put my stuff in the room and went from the airport right to this and had my blood analyzed.

I didn't realize that one of the things that they look for is radiation damage. And I told the woman just in conversation, I had just gotten off an airplane, four hour airplane at 30,000 feet. And she said, I don't see that. Obviously she had to take my word for it, but I could see that she really didn't believe that I had just gotten off an aircraft because there would be radiation damage on my blood. There would be a marker.

where red blood cells would be a little jagged and things like that because of the radiation that you experience at that height. And I had none. My body mitigated all that radiation. And we have so much radiation around us these days. And there's a lot of people that are very sensitive to it as well, that this is another big advantage of the Brown's gas as well, not only mitigating it or preventing damage in the first place, but healing damage like when people get radiation treatments for various ailments.

how fast you heal from that. My father healed much quicker from, they did a radiation thing on his ear when he had a cancer removed from his ear. it burns, you get those radiation burns and they heal so much like three times faster with the Brown's gas. Yeah, incredible. And then that's, again, that's another thing that's very much needed. It's like when we do have to do some of these, when we do have to lean into Western medicine, which is amazing, especially in emergency medicine to help the body.

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recover more quickly. It's like the body's taken this heavy hit. And again, I'll go back to this idea of we've got all these abundant electrons as a result of the body being flooded with this molecular hydrogen and electronically expanded water. It's very based. hope nobody hears us like, my God, what are these guys talking about? It really is. It couldn't be more scientific. Absolutely. It's verifiable. No issue. Like I say, if you go to, for example, Tyler Barron's

molecularhydrogeninstitute.com, just spell it all out, website. You'll see he put hundreds of scientific studies on there, but you go into the studies and it'll take you onto the various websites that hold the studies and then do the searches on those websites. You'll see hundreds more. Whatever he's got there, it's only the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. And he's got like for ailments and organs and all that kind of stuff with the hydrogen. Hydrogen for health. Like I remember seeing, and I wish I'd

collected it and put it somewhere 200 years ago. Some people tried hydrogen for health and were noticing a health benefit, but then it got tabled and forgotten for 200 years. And now it's finally coming back out and it's absolutely astonishing. Yeah, it is. George, first, I want to invite you back because I feel like one thing I want to do, one thing I'm really interested to do is

I mentioned this to you before, is like I've done, you know, for the cancer I had, I did as much chemo as I was allowed. Then we started into the surgeries and whatnot. And I actually, I'm just like brought these up only because I was at a retreat this weekend with Dr. Jess Petros and it is called the Root Cause Retreat. And I was there to speak, I spoke on electromagnetics and frequency therapy, which has been something that's been, I'm pretty sure it's why I'm so.

I mean, I'm definitively sure why I am so functional today. That's been a great therapy for me. I continue to explore and investigate and help develop those technologies. Light therapy has been incredible on my scar tissue, but I'm actually gonna share. I just wanna share a picture of the scar. So I'm gonna do a great experiment here on my own body with your device. Here was this one surgery we did number one, and then we did this about

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two to three times and then like went in and like cut inside and scraped out adhesions. And this was on the right today. We just injected this with some homeopathics, some type of a lymph homeopathic and zeal and tromel, some prokane, but it was wild. My body, we injected the scar, which is a very old scar. This was 2007, 2011 and 2015. That was last worked on. So.

my hands on each side of my body got like hot. mean like hot. Like I felt and I felt so high and what Dr. Jess was offering and Dr. Hadar was like, well, you you have these and I'll stop sharing this at this point. So you guys might have to go watch this video because I put the scar up there. I'll actually share it on Instagram. We'll stop that. They said, you know, this centerline meridian for you.

is so important for cross communication of organs and organ systems. Not only that, but energy distribution in your body, even though it's an external scar, which I've done lots of work on. Like I said before, I was in the emergency room all the time with abdominal adhesions, post-surgical scar tissue, right? Which is the body, like you said before, the body is patching. It's not really healing it, it's patching. So I'm super excited to like, I'm going full out. So we'll make, maybe we can make a little,

If I'd say, George, this happens to you tomorrow, how are you using this device? You maybe we can come up with something and we'll do a round two with a touchback. absolutely. We definitely want to do that. And for a scar like that, it's so exciting to do it scientifically. You do half the scar, not the whole thing. I could do well. I do have the before pictures, though. Yeah, and you do. OK, so what would happen is I would soak something.

a pad and just keep re-soaking it and just have it taped onto your scar area, onto your shirt there and just keep it re-soaking it with the browns gas water and or then you, there's been some people just take a piece of plastic and use that, I'm going to call it surgical tape so it doesn't really stick to you hard, doesn't peel your skin off when you go to pull it back off like some tape would and then just put the gas right in to that area, that actual gas.