Rebuilding Life with Love: Joe DiMeo’s Unbelievable Double Hand and Face Transplant Story

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He basically recommended Doctor Rodriguez, who did face transplants before and he was looking to do a face interval hand transplant.
So like he took pictures and videos of me and sent it to him.
And then like a couple weeks later, Doctor Riguez reached out to me and you know, told me to come into the city and we and him talked.
0:19
I liked him a lot.
A very humble guy shake to the point basically said there's two before me, one pass failing on the table and the second one a hand failed.
There's a chance you can die too.
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken podcast.
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I'm your host Freddie Kimmel, and on the show we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself.
Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes.
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Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast.
I have beautiful guest today with us.
I have Jessica and Joe all the way from New Jersey.
1:15
Welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Thank you're sending us on.
Yeah, of course.
Well guys, I want to jump right into it.
I was scrolling Instagram far too often like I do and Joe, I came across your Instagram profile and I was so inspired, went to your website, started reading and I would love you if you could walk us through the story and your experience of, I think being the first successful recipient of double hand and face transplant.
1:46
Is that correct?
Yeah, that's correct.
Incredible.
Do you want to start us off?
Yeah, so my one day I was just coughing.
My dad, it was on a Saturday and I had that day off and I just golf with them normally.
And I got a phone call from my job and they said you want to do overtime.
2:05
And I was like, I just turned 20.
So I was like, yeah, I'll do overtime, you know, to buy like more modifications to my car, you know, stuff like that, 'cause I'm a car guy.
So I, you know, I got home, you know, I took my five hours for a sleep, which I, you know, at that time I thought it was normal, but, you know, you need more sleep than that.
2:25
I figured out and you know, clocked in through my normal shifts.
I was a food tester for like magnesium and potassium, stuff like that.
And then I just driving home, just a 10 minute drive to my apartment and my body just conked out, fell asleep at the wheel and my car crashed, caught on fire and I woke up 3 1/2 months later from a coma with 8% burns my body.
2:53
Joe, when you say you were at your shift and you and you passed out, do you remember any of that experience or was it just waking up 3 1/2 months later in the hospital?
I've heard nothing of an accident.
I just go off of what the police said and these reports.
3:10
There is a video of it, but the police have it, but they won't give it to me.
But I've asked to see the video because I just want to see my car flip, you know, and stuff like that.
Pretty interesting and see that.
So I'm not I'm not like traumatic and I got emotional kind of guy.
3:25
So I think I just want to see my car crash, stuff like that.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I've heard other people go through this experience where they'll get vague memories or they'll have moments of clarity in which they'll have a picture or a vision.
And, you know, I, I looked at some of the pictures you had posted on your website and it, your body and the, the amount of burns on your body are incredible.
3:48
So was the coma medically induced or was that just how long you were out for?
It was madly induced so they can do all the the skin grafts and blood infusion stuff like that.
Yeah.
And what happened when you woke up?
4:05
What was your state of mind, your state of being?
When I woke up, my mom was there 'cause my dad was home taking care of the dogs.
So it was just my mom.
The first thing I I asked her was how the rims were my car, 'cause I knew something happened but I didn't know like the severity of it.
4:20
So I just asked her how my rims and she was like Joe, they're they're not good no more.
And then the a bunch of nurses come rushing in to do all their like nursing stuff, you know, vitals, heart rate, stuff like that, all the nursing stuff.
So like they bum rushed me, did their job.
4:38
And that was kind of overwhelming having like four or five nurses around you touching you, trying to figure out, you know, their vital, like all that nursing stuff.
And, you know, waking up from the coma, you're still droopy from all like the pain meds, all that stuff.
So I'm just like on like all days and like just a bunch of people.
4:59
And then on top of that, when you end up burning it, they're in like gowns, scrub caps, a mask on for an infection.
So kind of feels like a like a hostile movie, like that movie hospital where you use the eyes and like people just touching me and you don't know nothing.
5:16
So it's like, it's kind of like a weird experience.
Yeah.
And how long was your hospital stay?
After the three months you've awoken, you have an awareness of what's going on.
How long were you in the hospital?
For the burning of four months, because like after the 3 1/2 months I woke up and then half the month was this physical therapy, occupational therapy, just so I can get back to walking again and extension my hands out, getting slowing down.
5:44
Yeah.
Did you have any nurses or occupational therapists that you absolutely love that like were one of your favorites?
Yeah, the nurses, a couple nurses, my favorites.
I like her.
Like Rebecca was my favorite nurse.
A couple minutes I forgot all their names because like I was on like a lot of like medications.
6:04
So everything is just like a kind of like a haze.
My mom has to remind me of their names.
But like the P TS and O TS, the PT is Laura and the OT is Stephanie because they're around me the most.
And then like all you do is just, you know, all I did though is just joke around like half fun because that's like the best medicine.
6:26
It's just to joke around half fun because I didn't want to be sad and like upset about the situation.
I want to be like joyful even though down the dumps, you know, deep down, but still don't be joyful.
Have a like a like a a good mindset.
6:42
Yeah, beautiful.
I know that.
I had a couple nurses that you know, you like you said.
And when I was in the hospital for a big chunk of time, there was definitely people that I, there was like 1 nurse who would draw my blood and it never hurt and he could do it in the dark.
And I was like, this guy is like a godsend because as you know, there people are waking up all times in the night, like do vitals and do blood work.
7:03
And there was another nurse who was like always, every time I would, they would like, Freddy, you got to get up and walk and they'd be like cheering me on, like going around the hospital.
And I definitely have those touchstones.
And they're definitely like, at the time, it was an Angel, you know, And this like, not great experience, definitely not the place you want to be, but there were lots of times I saw beautiful aspects of humanity in the hospital.
7:23
I don't know if you had any experience similar to that.
Yeah, like with the Bernier, it's a very small unit, so you know, all the nurses and like all of them had their perks.
Yeah.
It's just hard to remember their names because they're all covered up.
So all you like, all you go by is like their figure and so like that's all you can go by.
7:44
And but like they're all like super nice.
My parents always brought them food so they they would spoil me, always took care me very nicely.
Like there is not like one bad nurse on the burn unit for me.
Amazing, amazing.
And then so you're in the hospital, you're in the burning unit for four months.
8:02
And then were you given a prognosis or did your medical team say, Joe, listen, this is what we want to do for you?
Or did they give you an expectation on what quality of life will look like?
I'd be really interested to hear like your understanding of that prognosis or Jessica too, if you want to chime in at any time.
8:18
Panic hearing nothing like no good like no like future information of burning it.
They just said like, you know, just keep up on your like workouts with your walking because I wasn't able to walk after the coma and so just keep up on The Walking and strengthening all your muscles.
8:37
The OT like she tried to give me hope, but you know, at the end of the day, my things are amputated also, like there's really no hope, but she tried to give me hope.
All that like motivation.
But like once I got to the burn rehab, they were like, you can't really do much on your own anymore.
8:56
You have to have someone help you be value all the time.
So like just everything to everything basically.
And that was my mom's.
Like that's when my mom stepped in, did everything again like I was a little kid, which is not fun.
Yeah.
9:13
Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't know Joe at that time.
But according to his parents, he wasn't supposed to survive that first night.
They were transfusing him with lots of blood and blood products and say, like saline, just to keep him hydrated.
But they really didn't expect him to survive that first night, is what they told me.
9:31
So it's pretty, you know, I wasn't there.
I didn't know Joe, but I know his parents were pretty traumatized from the whole experience.
Yeah.
I can only imagine.
When did the conversation around being applicable or open to a double hand transplant in the face transplant start?
9:49
Like where did that happen in the timeline of your healing?
So like maybe like two or three months after my burn rehab, I went back to my, I moved back into my parents house and I went to a Jersey plastic surgeon and he basically said there's nothing more I can do for you because he's been my lips and my eyes.
10:09
So like open them up and then my eyes to protect them from not going blind.
And he basically recommended doctor Rodriguez who did face transplants before and he was looking to do a face and double hand transplant.
So like he took pictures and videos of me and sent it to him and then like a couple weeks later doctor because reached out to me and you know, told me to come into the city and we and him talked.
10:34
I liked him a lot.
Very humble guy.
Shake to the point, basically said there's two before me, one pass failing on the table and the second one the hands failed.
You know, there's a chance you can die too.
So right to the point with that.
10:51
Yeah.
That didn't really bother me.
It didn't.
And what went through your head?
What were you thinking?
Were you like, yeah, let's do this?
Yeah, straight away once I met that guy, I was like he's like, he didn't have that doctor ego a lot of them have.
And that's like a big turn off for me if I had a doctor as a ego and a lot of doctors around him don't have that ego which I liked.
11:14
A.
Lot.
And what did that procedure look like?
I have no idea that like the implications.
I'm sure there's a preparatory phase.
I know there's a lot of times any type of a transplant, they talk about the medications to allow the body to take the new tissue in and not attack that tissue.
11:33
What kind of conversations happened pre and then post surgery?
Yes, the pre surgery there's a bunch of testing for like close to a year of testing like my they basically have to know the insides of your body and out before you get the transplant, see if you're eligible.
11:49
And I, I passed so I was eligible.
They didn't really talk about pills with me.
I also didn't ask about pills.
I was more concerned about like all the tests and stuff 'cause that's tiring.
And then once I got the transplant afterwards, that's when they started telling me about all the the medications I had to take, the side effects, all that stuff.
12:11
Then how did the procedure, how did it go when you finally like, signed up?
OK, we got a date.
What was that experience like?
It went by pretty quickly because it took a year to find a donor, especially during COVID.
And that was interesting, you know, find the donor during COVID because they had their, you know, checklist.
12:31
I'm sure the donor couldn't have COVID either, you know, because once you get the transplant, you mean compromise.
And then when I got the call, when you went right to the city that day, that night and that the next morning I got the surgery.
12:46
Yeah.
And what was the recovery process like?
The team around me I had was really good.
It made it kind of pretty easy.
It was painful.
The nerve pain was pretty bad.
That was the most challenging part, dealing with the nerve pain.
Lost tried to work out your hands because the nerve pain in your hands.
13:04
You like cats clawing at your palms.
So that's not fun when you you had that pain feeling and then you had two O TS on the side of you stretching your fingers out and then trying to help you like do pinching motions and grabbing stuff.
13:22
So that was like the big part.
And then like the PT was kind of easy because that's like national techniques.
I was a big gym rat before, like, you know, getting back on, getting back to walking was kind of easy.
And that was a good team too around me, really good motivators there.
Incredible.
13:38
And what's the level of functionality you've regained from the procedure till today?
It goes back and forth.
Some days is better than others.
Right now, like today it's kind of bad 'cause I shoveled the shoveled the drug yesterday.
So right now they're kind of like stiff and painful.
13:54
But yesterday they are pretty good.
I was like doing stuff on my own last week.
They're really good all throughout the whole week.
So like right now they're bad, but right, it's all situational.
But like I honestly had a lot more function in the beginning because I was surrounded by a professional team and a like a good like a hostile environment.
14:20
So like I don't go outside, I don't go in there.
Like as soon as I step outside, everything pops up.
I get red.
So when I'm in a controlled environment like in AC, I'm pretty like chilling out and especially with like a team of the O TS and nurses around me, my hands are like, kind of like really, really good.
14:39
But then after I got out of the hospital, they kind of went downhill because, you know, you lose that that support of the OTS around you all the time.
Of course.
And then, like, I do the best I can, but you know, stretching my fingers out myself won't get the same results as the professional that study the hands because the hands are a whole nother level of like to to do.
15:05
And it's it's a very, very thing to find someone to do it too.
Yeah.
And so, Jessica, where did you guys meet?
We met on Instagram.
It was about six months after Joe had his transplant.
I follow started following him.
15:20
I think his account was private at that time.
I had heard about his story.
I was working as a transplant nurse at that time and I was living in another state.
But originally I'm from Southern California, living in Cleveland, OH and saw Joe's story, added him.
15:38
We instantly started talking.
I was visiting a friend Philadelphia about 3 weeks later after that first Internet interaction and we met up in person.
I went because I was in Philadelphia then.
That was like an hour and a half to Joe.
So it was like a lot of driving.
I actually drove from California to Philadelphia for nursing schools.
15:56
So like I, you know, driving a distance wasn't really a big deal to me.
So I drove to see Joe and we hit it off, spent a couple hours with him at his mom, his dad or dogs.
Max.
I brought my dog with me and it was just felt really natural, felt really comfortable.
16:12
We had dinner that night and it just was really nice to meet Joe in person and we hit it off.
Came back that next day before I left to Ohio, said bye to him and we just stayed connected.
Facetiming because at that time we were long distance for a few months.
16:29
So then we eventually I'd, since I was nursing, I wanted to do travel nursing and I landed a contract in New York City few more like 6 months after I met Joe and opened up the possibility of, you know, moving in and it was like too sick.
16:45
We had just met in April and I think it right now is like September.
And I was like, you know, I got this job in New York City.
So we found somewhere to stay in New Jersey.
He was like, yeah, we'll move in together.
And I'm eight years older than Joe, some before he's 26.
17:01
So, you know, I I knew what I wanted and I had a lot of fun in my 20s, got a lot of me.
And Joe's young, so I didn't want to put that pressure on him.
But I also knew he was a lot different than, you know, at that time he was 24, right?
17:17
You just turned 24.
So I knew that he was more mature than most boys, right?
Yeah.
Boys don't become men and though they're almost 40, but.
That is true.
I've heard that.
I've heard that.
Yeah.
But Joe is.
Different, you know, he knew what he wanted, been through a lot.
17:34
He had to spend a lot of time alone and that changed, you know?
You know, Joe is different and he was sure about moving in and yeah, we moved in together, started working as much as I could to start saving for we wanted to buy a house.
17:49
So I was doing more travel nurse contracts.
New Jersey, landed a full time job in New York City.
So now I'm, I'm working full time in New York City in the operating room as a nurse.
We bought a house last September and then we got married this past December.
18:08
So house was 2023 and then got married 2024.
And so now we're just trying to save up and fix the house up 'cause it's the fixer upper.
And yeah, just take it a day by day.
18:24
You know, sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's easy.
But we get through it together.
And his family's a huge His parents are huge in our life too.
Beautiful, are they?
Are they?
And they're close to you guys.
Yeah, they're about 25 minutes.
Great.
18:40
That's really beautiful.
I mean, brought together by Instagram.
Yeah, and dogs.
And dogs.
They're Boston Terriers.
So they're, they're not, you know, as like pop, they're not like a Frenchie that's super popular.
They're just seeing the Boston Terriers.
I grew up with them, Joe grew up with them.
18:56
My grandpa had one, his grandpa had a Boston Terrier.
So it's just like a funny family dog.
Like I'm from California, he's from New Jersey.
We couldn't be any more different, right, in that regard.
Like family super Southern California and his parents are super Jersey have the accent.
19:12
But it's just it's funny to see 'cause I grew with my grandparents to see their dynamic texting each other, You know, they're really cute together.
So the families are, they bond really well.
And yeah, we're just, you know, taking it day by day.
And we're newlyweds, so just getting our life started together.
19:31
Congrats.
Thank you.
And Joe, what drew you to Jessica when you guys first started chatting?
Her dog I I deemed her the first thing it said to her was I like your dog not even like a hay or like anything like this.
I like your dog I mean she didn't have her dog.
19:50
I wouldn't have mentioned her basically because I was getting a bunch of followers.
You know, when you're bored going through the, you know, just resting after workouts, he's go through your followers that are following.
And she popped up with her with Kirkland, her Boston Terrier, and she's like, well, I got him.
20:06
I got to say like your dog on this one.
And then where to go from there?
What was the magnetic spark that you said?
There's something here.
It was just a natural.
It wasn't like a typical like, oh, where are you from?
How tall are you?
You know, what's your favorite car like?
20:23
Not like a 21 question kind of conversation.
It was just like a natural flowing like you just made out of a bar, kind of like chat, like it just sunk in.
It was easy.
Like it's like like that kind of flow.
Yeah, I get it.
20:39
I get it.
And then Joe, so you've been through the transplant, you know, everything took, you're working.
You know, it sounds like amazing that you were out shoveling snow the other day, even though today's a day where there's like a swing back in the pendulum.
So you're sore.
How are you spending your time today?
20:56
Like what do you do with life?
Well, today is just the resting day for because she has off this week.
So Monday we're just going to like chill out, you know, a couple other more calls with the two like e-mail stuff like that.
So we're not going to be driving today.
21:11
So the the cars in the driveway just can't get in the sun, get all the snow melts off the car.
But just massage my hands out today.
Hopefully it'll be better tomorrow.
Yeah, just drink a lot of water, get all the fluids out, like stuff like.
That and what about work, Joe?
21:27
What do you do for work, for your vocation?
I can't work.
I can't have like a typical nine to five job.
I can get admitted at any time.
Like I can get admitted today if I I really like have to and like I I can't call my employer.
21:42
OK, I got to get admitted for two weeks.
For like.
Two weeks and then I'll get fired instantly.
Yeah.
Unless my doctor has like a speech like a if my doctor has a job opening for like do speaking at agents, I would be up for that.
But until then like I would like to do like motivation speaking in the future.
22:04
I deal a clothing brand that I have but like other than that just not a not defined job.
Yeah, well, I think so many people in the world today make their living in not a nine to five job.
I'm like all over the map as an entrepreneur.
I'm like a little bit of podcasting, a little bit of consulting, a little bit of speaking, all the things.
22:23
But I definitely don't check in on it.
I mean it, sometimes it feels like I work all the time.
I don't know.
Do you work on your clothing brand a lot?
Does it take up a lot of time?
Yeah, a lot.
Yeah, Jessica does a lot of computer work on it, so that that's the most of the time for her.
Customer service.
22:39
The customer service department.
Yeah, it's been a process.
So we didn't have anyone to really guide us through it.
There's not really this is how you do it sort of thing.
We don't even know we're doing it right.
But that takes about a lot of time.
Yeah, it's just starting a business is a lot of work.
22:56
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
So we just, you know, right now we're looking for even like a tax person, we can't find someone in our area.
So yeah, it's just it's a process, you know?
And then he's writing a book right now too.
Joe is working on it.
23:11
He found a ghostwriter and they're tackling that chapter by chapter.
So hopefully this year the book will come out, you know the quote sign help support that and then maybe motivational speaking for Joe in the in the near future with the book.
Yeah, I love writing.
23:29
Do you enjoy the process with the ghostwriter, Joe?
I enjoy it with the your girl say not alone though, because in high school I I avoided writing class.
I got like AD in writing class.
I just do not like writing at all.
I'm not a creative person.
Straight to the point.
23:45
It's just so having to write a book in the future is like, oh, I should have paid attention in school on this one.
Yeah, but most people have ghost writers now anyways.
Oh yeah, yeah.
But like, working with him is really nice.
He makes it really easy, Yeah.
24:02
And like, it's easy to talk to him.
And he's like below the OR above the knee amputee.
So he's been through it, too.
He has his own challenges.
And I think that brings Joe and him together, too, is that they could relate.
They've lost something big.
And.
So it's a it's a pretty cool set up.
24:18
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
Yeah, I'm excited.
You have some working titles or no?
Yeah, 80% gone. 80% gone.
And is that your clothing brand?
Yeah, it's all the clothing brand.
It's all anything sinking together.
Yeah.
And is there some meaning in that name related to the accident?
24:36
Yeah, because 80% of my skin is burnt off, so I was like, well, 80% of me is gone.
So it kind of just lined up.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's, it's such an inspiring story, Joe and Jessica and I'm really cheering you guys on.
24:52
I got to ask.
I'm kind of I browsed the website and some of the clothing and the what's your best seller so we can make a recommendation here on the store.
Probably like the hoodie, the black classic logo hoodie is what Shopify says is the number one seller.
25:10
The tote bags.
The tote bags are also a hit.
So yeah, and the hats, they people like the hats, but the classic logo seems to sell the most.
And hopefully we can get more logos out there too.
Yeah, I like the classic logo.
That's nice.
Yeah, it's like a phoenix and then there's like a a flame in there.
25:28
There's a lot of it's very symbolic.
The hair on the person is like Joe's hair.
We sent the, we had this guy, a graphic designer work on it and we sent some Joe's hair and was like, can we please have the guy have Joe's hair 'cause that's a big symbolic thing on Joe.
Yeah.
25:43
It's like a hidden symbol.
It's like a like the FedEx logo, how there's an arrow in between like the X and the E And so like I was like, you know, let's put the hair in there.
So like only a couple people like will point it out, but like not a lot of people recognize it.
26:00
It's.
Yeah, and the lion has a rose in its mouth.
And for Joe's mom is her name is Rose.
So that that symbolism there.
So hopefully we can get another logo.
That would be cool.
We just have to hit up that graphic designer to help us with it.
Yeah, yeah.
Amazing.
26:16
Do you find yourself, Joe, that a lot of people that have been through either serious accidents or transplants reach out to you through the Instagram account?
I have a lot more accidents just like nor core accidents with like a like a Fender banner, stuff like that.
26:35
A couple of burn people reached out to me.
Not a lot of transplant people reached out to me actually, which I find interesting.
A lot of like on like TikTok lies.
I'll have like a here like a handful but nothing personal with the transplants.
They'll leave comments though.
26:50
Yeah, I had a transplant.
Curious about if they're on the same medications.
Sure.
Yeah.
People want to relate that way.
I get more like people with like autism with like disability, like mental disabilities.
And I think I never thought I'd be able to help people with that because I never been down that like rabbit hole or like researching that stuff up.
27:13
So like, I didn't know, like people autism have, you know, their hands don't work properly because my mom had my mom's friend's son that has autism and he's smart.
He wrote a book before me.
You were like, like.
A high functioning autism is a spectrum but.
Yeah.
I really think too much.
27:29
I was like all that stuff.
A lot of she shouts me about that kind of stuff.
My friend is he invents technology.
He's an engineer and he he has a son with autism and he always says, you know, my son is not the scale of autism that wears a, you know, fancy hoodie and starts a tech startup in Silicon Valley.
27:47
He's like, he's non verbal, so it's a different scale.
And albeit he's like, he still has the superpowers.
For me, it makes like, I see people's stories that are unfolding and just the way people are able to show up with like, grace and still smile and put things out into the world.
28:04
Even Afterlife hands you a really difficult hand to deal with.
I'm drawn to that.
Like I was drawn to your Instagram account.
I was like, oh, I want to talk to this guy.
I want to hear his story.
And I also, I love the video of you pressing shirts.
Is that your house?
Yeah, that's the garage.
28:20
That's so cool.
See, I, I mean, for me, like, that is very much part of the American dream, and I just think it's really amazing.
Well, I'm definitely going to buy a hoodie.
Yeah.
We'll put the link in the show notes.
I usually end the podcast with, you know, I'd love to ask you both this question.
28:37
It's called the Beautifully Broken Podcast.
What does it mean to you to put the pieces back together and what does it mean to you to be beautifully broken?
Joe, do you want to go first with that question?
Yeah, I think it like it'll, it'll humble you going through an accident, like I said, and it'll make you see life in a different aspect.
28:54
Because I was like a kind of rushy kind of guy, always had to get things done a certain way.
And I think after being broke in hospital, like now it's like, oh, I'll be I'll be patient now.
I'll take my time doing things.
I won't rush.
29:10
Certain things can wait, you know.
And if if you can't, if you personally can't fix it, then just like you let it go because then you just go crazy trying to fix something you can't, but you can't fix it, fix it.
Beautiful Jessica, what would you add?
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Do you have anything that comes up to you?
The idea of being beautifully broken.
I think that we're all broken, right?
We've all been through something that changes us.
Sometimes the pieces come back together and it looks like it was never broken.
Sometimes the pieces don't come together and you're, it's visible.
You're visibly broken, right?
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Joe has these changes to him that he will always have scars.
He has a face transplant.
So, you know, sometimes those scars are visible, sometimes they're not.
So I think and treat each other better.
And no, just because you don't, you don't see that someone is broken doesn't mean that they aren't.
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They were in the past and your attitude has a lot to do with it getting better.
When patients are in the hospital they're sick of, they're down at the dumps and grumpy all the time.
Like that's not going to help you get better, you know?
Be beautiful, be strong, and also be humble and know that people are broken, even if you don't see it.
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Yeah, Amen.
I think that's such an amazing reminder.
I know we all carry our baggage around inside of us.
And it's like that analogy.
It's like, you know, if I'm walking around a busy airport and I got a cup of coffee and somebody bumps me, I'm going to spill coffee out.
Same thing.
If I've got a lot of hate and anger and rage and somebody bumps me, that's what spills out.
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That's what's inside and it's this way of working with life, what a hands you to try to cultivate.
Like what's the miracle here?
What's the miracle in this?
And I, I really truly do believe that I celebrate you guys.
I really appreciate you giving me the time to like talk and connect.
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I know I'm a stranger.
It's a really nice platform.
We have a really great audience.
So I'm excited for them to hear your story and thank you for being a guest.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen here.
31:07
We are with Season 9 of the podcast.
We're about to Crest into year 6.
Can you believe it?
I'm so.
Glad you're still here.
And I just wanted to remind you, if you liked the show, please head over to Apple or Spotify and give us a five star review.
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It really expands the listenership.
Now, there's one big way you can continue to learn and deepen the relationship that we started in this very episode.
You can go to Beautifully Broken.
Dot world and you can check.
Out our brand new website and store listed are all the technologies, the supplements, the self quantification, the products, everything that I love I personally use and I've curated for this audience.
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Most of the items have a significant discount just by using the link or our code.
Beautifully broken all one word and they do support the podcast through affiliations.
Now, if you want to see the faces of our guest and you want to watch me unbox products and see reviews, you can go over to YouTube at Beautifully.
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Broken world.
Now this next message is from my vast team of Internet lawyers.
The information on this podcast is for education.
By listening, you agree not to use the information found here as medical advice to treat, diagnose or cure any medical condition in yourself or others.
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Always consult your guiding physician for actual medical issues you may be having.
Now in my closing, we are truly in a paradigm shift.
We need you at your very best.
So use these conversations as a jumping off point for further exploration.
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Always listen to your own body and remember, while life may be painful, how we put the pieces back together is a beautiful, beautiful process.
I love you so much.
I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel.