Resonant Frequencies are changing the face of Lyme with professor Holly Ahern

Holly Ahern is an award-winning professor of microbiology at the State University of New York (SUNY) Adirondack, where she teaches and mentors undergraduate students in research on small lake ecosystems in the Adirondack region of New York. As a result of her family's personal experience with Lyme disease, Ahern co-founded and is currently vice-president of Lyme Action Network, a NY-based 501-c-3 tick-borne disease education, and advocacy organization. She is also the Scientific Advisor for Arizona-based Focus on Lyme, managing strategic projects aimed at improving the quality of diagnostic testing for Lyme disease and other tick-borne illnesses. As a scientist and advocate, she is involved in NYS and federal legislative initiatives to improve access and quality of care for Lyme disease patients, including the HHS-convened Tick-Borne Disease Working Group, which delivered its first Report to Congress in December of 2018.

Episode Highlights

4:24 How Professor Holly’s daughter got lime disease and their struggles to find proper medical counsel

10:33 How the bacteria causing Lyme disease spreads out in the body

16:00 What spirochetes are and how they evade our immune system

19:54 The spirochetes’ biofilm, and what’s really inside it

 24:15 The science behind fasting

25:37 Significance of Autophagy and it’s role in Lyme disease

30:58 Trying to battle Lyme disease and getting Holly’s daughter back to balance

33:32 Researching information on Lyme disease as someone who studies microbes

35:55 What RIFE is and how it aids against Lyme disease

39:36 Professor Holly works on using the wave device and bacteria culture to observe their effects on Borrelia (Lyme disease causing bacteria) 

53:25 Professor Holly’s experiences with Tammy Crawford of Focus Online, her views on Lyme disease diagnostic tests, and its impact on early detection

57:27 Tests for Chronic Lyme disease

1:04:36 Immuno signature research funding for developing Lyme disease laboratory tests 

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (00:01.912)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I am here with Holly Ahearn, Professor of Microbiology from State University of New York at Adirondack. Holly, welcome to the show.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (00:22.616)
Well, I'm so excited. You know, I know we could probably talk for five or six hours and just nerd out over all things microbiology, biology, and the human body cell cultures. But I want to talk about on this episode. I think we want to go into Lyme disease a little bit, which is something where you have an incredible area of expertise. Can you go into kind of how you find your, you, found your way into really studying Lyme and why it became a

a topic that you've become an expert on.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (03:19.054)
amazing. I want to unpack a those topics you touched on. you said people's understanding of the disease is not the reality. Can you relate that to what your daughter was experiencing? What was what was her experience with Lyme disease? Was it was it a rash and a fever and she was done with six weeks of doxycycline or was it different than

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (06:38.764)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (06:49.806)
Sure.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (07:21.452)
nerve pain.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (08:55.214)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (09:48.846)
That's an incredible, incredible story that I know. There's so many parents. mean, there's so many parents that want to be able to say what you're saying right now. That's their dream. That's their sole dream in life. and I do want to facilitate, you know, these conversations so people can, can really, with new information, we can make better choices. You know, there's some really interesting things you, you said about

she went on these long-term antibiotics. And when they did restore some level of functionality, they didn't really return your daughter to what her state of vitality was, not nearly at all. so what do you think the limitations are with even an IV antibiotic that's in the bloodstream, should reach anywhere and everywhere?

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (11:03.767)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (12:09.835)
Hmm

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (13:00.426)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (13:42.83)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (14:17.058)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (15:01.852)
So, so every and I've talked to hundreds and hundreds of doctors with my own personal journey with Lyme through the podcast through, you know, being in these worlds of people that are looking for different answers, because we're not getting the results you want. everybody who I've ever resonated with, and I said that person, okay, that is their information, their their knowledge, it's worth its weight in gold.

And for me, what you just said, you know, we, it's a two pronged approach. We have, we have branches of the immune system, which I don't think people you think about it's one thing we're going to stop invaders. We're going to eradicate the bug. When I ever everybody, when we mentioned the word immune system, I think we have guardians at the gate and then we have people that are trying to put out the fire. So like you just said, you know, we've got this raging infection and then we've also got this low level of inflammation that's constant and not leaving the body.

And when we get this perfect storm, we get neurological Lyme, we get the shooting nerve pain, we get the people that are the walking wounded that look normal, but just want to lay in bed and they have absolutely no drive to do what it is you do. think the, the other thing that you mentioned, you said, spirochete little swimmers, you said they're going to go where the immune system doesn't want to go. Could you just describe like what, cause I know what a spirochete is, but I think it'd be valuable for people listening what that shape actually looks like.

and how it evades our immune system.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (17:51.416)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (18:32.994)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (18:49.39)
Yeah, brilliant. And you're saying things that I'm seeing. So from my experience, what's very valuable is to hear from a microbiologist. And you're saying that these tissues, collagen-like structures, the joints, these are not tissues that are receiving the vascular supply chain that a muscle belly is or a vein. And what I'm seeing is, wow, you you

being on, like, let's just give an example. Let's say, you know, one outside of the box modality people look at for Lyme is ozone, ozone injections. Ozone can be injected into the blood. can pull the blood out and oxygenate it, send it back into the body. And I've, I've always seen that there, well, there can be a boost cause you're oxygenating the body. When someone stops these modalities, they often have a regression in symptoms because it's really not reaching the collagen, the joints.

And the other thing you said that was fascinating to me is you said drop their shell. Now I just came across an article, it must've been two weeks ago, where the shell, the shell can be a component that actually aggravates and activates the immune system into an autoimmune response. And I was reading an article there that aspirated a joint.

and they had pulled all this, was all these, if you can imagine, it's like going to the beach and seeing these seashells. They had found all this debris from the Borrelia inside the joint, which was causing, you know, this woman had this rheumatoid factor in her hands and knees. And while they couldn't find the Borrelia, they did find these piles of shells. That's gonna grow some people out at home.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (21:14.251)
Uh-huh.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (21:26.059)
Hmm

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (21:44.712)
It's incredible.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (21:49.346)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (23:06.99)
Yes, yes. And of course, yeah, we're getting there. We really are. And again, you know, I just want to revisit it's it is this what kept me running in circles and spending so much money is the compartmentalization of our medical system.

You know, you're going to go see an immunologist or you're going to see a chronic pain or a physical therapist or, know, and you just go around and you're having all these people who specialize, but they, what they, from my experience, what they specialize in is their opinion and not necessarily what there, there needs to be some way where we can all pull back and get a bird's eye view and be like, well, let's see what Holly says. Cause she's a microbiologist. You know, this is a really important part of the puzzle. We've got.

you can envision the body as the sandbox of all these microbes and human cells and how is everybody playing together, that's gonna play into your chronic pain for sure. For sure, I think that's fascinating. I was gonna try to say, peptioglycan, is that right?

Peptidoglycein, protein and sugar. Okay, great. So this is why, again, I love the overlap. So things that I've found before I knew what the heck was going on that made me feel better, five day fast, nothing, just water. I would have a dramatic reduction in pain. And I would imagine that there are some elements of the immune system that we're going around and going into this level of autophagy, eating up some degrees and...

and crepitus in the joints and I was finding relief from. Yeah, it's always fascinating when you find those, that, well, you come up with an idea that could be why I was experiencing a reduction in pain from giving my body a break just to kind of clean house, if you will.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (25:21.782)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (25:47.787)
And, and, and yes, and challenging to do in a weakened state when you're, when you're, when you do feel that level of fatigue and brain fog, I understand that, you know, I understand that it's not doable for everybody. And by no means is that like a medical recommendation by anybody on this podcast, but I have, you know, there were many, many camps that said this can be very, very helpful.

And I think it's the senescent immune cells that tend to, it's almost like your immune cells tend to live. If we imagine it's like somebody walking around with an old computer program and they're still operating one way of the belief that the body is under this immediate attack from a spirochete, that that message can continue to play out. And by going into a fast, some of those cells are actually eaten up by the body and we do find some relief.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (27:07.15)
I

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (28:05.335)
Hmm

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (28:41.196)
Hmm. I mean, that's another podcast episode, you know, that I've been thinking a lot about is, is the ecological dysfunction and its role in Lyme disease. You know, I think if you asked a person, they would say, well, you know, the deer, the deer, the problem, the deer carry the ticks into our yard and they, they, they lay it everywhere. From my understanding, it's like you said, the small white footed mouse, which if we look at

the chain of predators. So we're in upstate New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, the Adirondacks. know, one thing that's not present are wolves. Wolves were part of this area, which they were an interrupt between the deer, between the mice. And we've interrupted that from how we've integrated the land and there's these gaps. So the natural food chain has been interrupted. And so now we have these different, you know, we have, and I always go back to you really can't.

And I think this helps in healing. You can't hate the tick. It's not the tick. The tick is just a carrier of a bacteria. It's a part, you know, we don't go around killing people because they're a carrier of certain virus, at least not yet. I mean, I hope we never get there, but that's the mentality that it's not the tick. The tick is just, it may be built like a tank and it's very resilient, but it's just living. It's trying to get a food source too. And so I think...

is we, think it does help to look at that narrative and we need to take out this idea that, you know, there's this manifest destiny of humans. Nature is smarter and more brilliant and the design is better, period. And I think we need to live in accordance with nature to a degree. I think we'll be healthier beings, at least that's what I've come up with anyway. I'm not sure what your thoughts are there.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (30:59.182)
Mm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (31:09.518)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (31:30.79)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (31:41.804)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (31:47.509)
heheheheh.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (31:59.584)
It's problematic. So I want to pivot and I want to go back to the mama bear because part of your story is super inspiring. What you did with your natural skill set, your resources as a microbiologist. Now I would love to hear from, from your science side of your, your experience, what were some of the things that you started to look to, to get your body, your daughter's body back into balance.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (34:32.846)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (35:01.034)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (35:27.073)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (37:37.326)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (37:58.285)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (38:38.521)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (40:00.308)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (41:24.198)
everybody listening just suspend your belief for a moment and just let's take all this is if we were to go into a physics classroom it's real.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (41:40.93)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (42:27.534)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (43:16.812)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (43:20.546)
Mm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (43:49.452)
Yeah, yeah, I've had it in. In my previous life, music theater dancing, I've had friends have horrible MRSA infections, and they've actually had to have chunks of muscle cut out of the body because it was that or lose lose like or possibly die. So so very virulent infection just to give scope.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (45:30.158)
Wow.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (45:46.71)
Wow. And, and, so you actually have some, you had some video of this so you could see what the sound waves did to the bacteria. What did that look like? Just interesting minds that want to know.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (46:08.202)
Is it a stretch of the imagination if you've ever looked at a kombucha culture? Like it's almost like a, do you know what a scooby is that someone would, is that in the world of what we'd be thinking about?

Okay.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (46:30.742)
Yeah. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (46:50.168)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (47:13.012)
Interesting. Wow.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (47:21.814)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (47:26.711)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (47:31.298)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (48:26.222)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (48:40.173)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (48:58.637)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (49:47.8)
Hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (49:56.724)
explored. I totally agree. And now so with the Department of Defense and looking at these biofilm, biofilms that would be altered by a sound wave, and in your experience, was there a frequency that worked? Was there a range?

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (50:24.333)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (50:34.626)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (51:11.21)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (51:33.773)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (51:52.334)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (52:06.84)
Sure, and from my understanding, being in this world for only studying sound and frequency and magnetics for the last 17 months is that it's possible, and I've heard this from multiple different scientists, that it's not always that you hit the exact frequency, but you could hit the harmonic range lower.

So if the frequency that you're looking for is 300 hertz, if we're looking at it like little musical scales, we can go all the way down. And if we're in the harmonic, we can get a beneficial effect with a frequency or range that might not be, it's hard to listen to, if that makes sense for the body. Because if you listen to a really high frequency, it can actually hurt your ears. But if you can get somewhere in a harmonic around like 1,100, 2,200 hertz, that you can find benefit as well.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (53:23.282)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (53:35.532)
Wow. Do you have any understanding why or how that happens when it was explained to you? No, me neither.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (53:58.978)
Yeah, I've seen that. I've seen that. I think that's amazing. And obviously, if anybody has not watched Dr. Holland, Professor Anthony Holland's TED Talk online, using resonant frequencies to shatter specific cells, it's absolutely fascinating. So we know this is real. We know this is happening. I think the other thing that's really interesting for me are two kind of veins. And then there's one more thing I want to talk about also.

is that we have this, I think we can almost be scared into, it's like you want it to be one thing to bring your body back into balance. And from my understanding and experience as a human being, that it's usually looking at multiple factors of information input. So like you said, like diet, sleep, water, mental health, like you said, you were experimenting with

sound waves, but then you got a better result when you had a sub optimal dose of antibiotics. Now I've heard the same thing to be true in certain cancer treatment centers, that they can bring someone into a fasted state, back to the fasting, neuroprotective elements, 1 8th, 1 16th, the dose of a chemotherapy agent, and they get the same results without any detrimental effects to the body. So

I think it's important to remember that while you're building your paradigm to heal, because man, I wish there was a generic roadmap that everybody could follow for this. And right now I don't think we have it. You almost have to get out there and you have to be your own advocate for change. You've got to be your own scientist. And there is good information out there, but we do need to put together the pieces of the puzzle that bring you forward. You know, as you were saying, like,

Can you put a frequency through a plasma tube and have benefit? Yes, but you can also use other technology that uses a magnetic field to deliver frequencies. You know, we've got these, you know, or you can stand on a plate and have a direct connection. I mean, there's so many different ways to do it and it just depends on your body, but these things sound does help the body to come into balance.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (56:15.11)
And, you know, it's, it is possible to challenge your belief system on, what we can do to help ourselves out. mean, I, I see this to be true. I hear the success stories. I know it's real and it's fascinating. my, my question I want to ask you is, with the, with the advent of new information, new technology, one thing that I believe would be so helpful would be better testing for.

Lime. like you said, early detection means you never go through any of this. So can we talk about that a little bit and your background as a scientist and maybe how you're contributing to that field?

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (57:29.932)
So you've been told, yep.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (59:25.368)
Wow.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:02:33.853)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:03:24.618)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:04:22.414)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:04:45.037)
Incredible. And when do you think some of these new tests? So what do you, do you have a, you know, I went to iGenX labs. That's what I, and it was, you know, my only downside was it was expensive to do. Relatively, you know, that's an out of pocket pay. I think I paid $1,100, $1,200 to look at, different bands, which

I couldn't find in my New York state blood work, but I did find four or five positive bands in that blood work. And then is there another one in Germany? Is it Armand Labs?

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:05:39.448)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:06:21.322)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:07:12.498)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:07:58.712)
Mm-hmm.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:09:00.238)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:09:32.11)
amazing.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:09:52.501)
Exciting.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:10:12.942)
amazing.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:10:19.627)
It's both.

Freddie Kimmel and Holly Ahern (01:10:23.822)
Holly, bless you for being here. We've talked my computer to 1%. We're gonna need to do a part two. This was so good. This is gonna help so many people. And I bless you for being on the beautifully broken podcast. You're just such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you so much.