The Fasting Mimicking Diet , Deep Sleep, and the Copilot experience with Laura McKowen

Laura McKowen joins the podcast as the first second-timer! Laura is one of the foremost voices in the modern recovery movement, having helped thousands of people reframe addiction and transform their lives through her writing, teaching, and speaking.

She writes an award-winning blog, hosted the iTunes Top 100 HOME podcast, and currently hosts Spiritualish, a show that provides an irreverent take on self-development and spirituality. She has been featured in WebMD, New York Post, Huffington Post, the TODAY show, and more.

Laura has an MBA from Babson College and spent 15 years in advertising, managing million-dollar accounts for Fortune 100 companies before transitioning to writing and teaching. She’s the founder of The Bigger Yes and We Are the Luckiest, online programs for personal development and sobriety. She teaches workshops and retreats all over the United States.
Her first book, We Are The Luckiest: The Unexpected Joy of a Sober Life is forthcoming in January 2020.

In this co-pilot conversation, Freddie and Laura go back and forth on a wide range of topics, from comedy to fasting to sleep to goals to travel. Freddie lets go in this interview for a freewheeling conversation with lots of laughter and tips.

Episode Highlights

• 3:35 - What have you been reading?
• 7:34 - Freddie and Laura talk about their fasting experience
• 11:24 - What fasting has taught them both
• 13:05 - The empowering benefits of hacking your health
• 16:36 - Is fasting for me? Should I try it?
• 21:25 - The importance of being seen
• 24:18 - Breaking out of the self-imposed captivity of being a health nut
• 28:18 - The dangers of always being on
• 32:19 - The power of comedy, a conversation on Chapelle and Aziz
• 38:18 - Upcoming goals for health and wellness
• 41:13 - Tips for getting good sleep while traveling
• 48:53 - Freddie shares his health goals

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Laura McKowen (00:00.108)
What I noticed first is that how often I had the impulse to eat and how little that had to do with hunger. And then to realize like you can be hungry and not do anything about it. That's like a lesson that goes across for everything. Like, I can want to do something and not do it.

Freddie Kimmel (00:23.298)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast brought to you by AmpCoil. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show, we discuss the common thread survivors share after walking through the fire, the practitioners making a difference, and the treatment modalities that deliver healing back into the hands of the people who need it most. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel (00:55.726)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We have a return guest, our first guest to ever make a return appearance. have Laura McCowen. I'm the first. You're the first. That's beyond awesome. So for people who haven't heard your episode, Laura is a huge podcaster. She's had some some massively expansive shows, home, spiritual ish.

Laura McKowen (01:10.914)
That's awesome.

Freddie Kimmel (01:25.576)
love that I have your resume kind of remembered from last time. She has a national bestseller coming out this year. And the title of your book is Yes, we are the luckiest, which deals with addiction.

Laura McKowen (01:28.91)
I'm impressed.

Laura McKowen (01:33.198)
There we go.

We are the lucky.

Laura McKowen (01:42.222)
Sobriety, addiction, yes.

Freddie Kimmel (01:45.39)
Oh, sobriety and addiction. Yeah, we could do a whole other episode on that.

Laura McKowen (01:52.494)
I talked about that for three years straight and it never ran out of material.

Freddie Kimmel (01:56.002)
Well, let's not talk about that. Essentially, I invited because we had such an easy flowing conversation and because now we're forever friends. I invited Laura on to be my co-pilot today and we're just going to run with the stream of conscious high vibration health and wellness.

Laura McKowen (02:15.214)
Yeah, the no plan, what do you feel like talking about today plan?

Freddie Kimmel (02:20.76)
but it's going to weave us into a divine place in the universe. sort of feel that happening already. And if not, I'm just going to put that out there. Well, yeah, it will. It will. Truth be told, well, let's just be really transparent. I just had an interview all lined up and ready to rock and roll with a guest who just could not get their audio slash internet working. And for a podcaster, when you have an episode do that night, like

Laura McKowen (02:28.27)
No, I think it was.

Freddie Kimmel (02:50.136)
First you get that initial ping of sheer panic. Yeah. And then you go into, I'm gonna solve a problem mode. So that's what's happening.

Laura McKowen (03:00.942)
And it's always interesting that point where you know, this isn't happening. This is where I have to go, like the switch has to flip. I get this text, buddy. That's all I

Freddie Kimmel (03:09.901)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (03:16.014)
buddy.

Laura McKowen (03:17.922)
with no, with nothing.

Freddie Kimmel (03:20.642)
Do me a solid.

Laura McKowen (03:22.688)
I'm just gonna wait till something comes up.

Freddie Kimmel (03:26.392)
So let's jump in. What are you reading right now? What's your book that you're really, really into?

Laura McKowen (03:31.95)
I just finished one over the weekend and it is. I have had a great reading summer slash reading year, but this book, I think I will just say is the best novel I read all year and it is called Ask Again. Yes, by Mary Beth Keene. And it my God, where do I start? OK, I don't want to give too much away for people who read it, but.

It was one of those books, it's like the book that everyone wants to read, the one that you can't put down for me. You can't put down, it's like, I go to it first thing in the morning and I like ditch my entire morning routine to read. I stay up all hours in the night reading it. It was just this family saga about two families, but it dealt with mental illness, addiction, trauma, Irish stoicism, not.

talking about anything. And it was so good. And I think it was good because those are, I think, I have to wait till other people I know read it, because I want to know, is this just a me thing that I think, I mean, it's gotten great reviews, but is this just me thing that I think it's so good because these are topics so close to my heart? Or, you know, and there's no doubt she's a great reader. But the thing that struck me the most, and you and I have talked about this,

Freddie Kimmel (04:49.773)
Mm-hmm.

Laura McKowen (04:58.838)
It's like the way stuff gets stored in your body and it made all the characters sick. Like you could track these moments where they had something happen. And the author must know a little bit about this because she would say something to the effect of like how it affected their body. then it would, they all, one of them in particular got really sick. And I'm like, yeah, that's what, that's what it actually looks like, but we don't often.

It's not sexy to talk about that connection in a novel, you know? You know, I read a ton of nonfiction and much less fiction. So when I read a novel that gets me, like stirs me the way that like maybe a memoir would, it's the big deal.

Freddie Kimmel (05:43.81)
Have you read the rules of inheritance by Clara Bidwell Smith? Wow. Yes. So I pulled that one out this morning. I was doing an impromptu photo shoot with a new product that I'm helping bring to market and I popped that book off the shelf and gave it to the girl that was in the shoe and she just, I'm like, just start reading a couple of paragraphs and just immediately just like a couple of tears. Do you know what mean? She just, she was like both her parents.

Laura McKowen (05:48.471)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (06:13.23)
cancer. I'm like, yes. You know, it's one of the real

Laura McKowen (06:16.152)
I actually know her like in like internet know her like we've met and had I went to her reading of her second book. Yeah, crazy story.

Freddie Kimmel (06:28.11)
crazy story and I know the restaurant where she used to work in Union Square. I mean, there's like a lot of things in alignment with her and I'm writing, you know, I don't think I've said this on the podcast. I'm plugging away on a autobiographical memoir and I wrote her on Instagram. She wrote me back. Yeah. Yeah. She was pretty rad.

Laura McKowen (06:49.72)
She's rad and she has this crazy life now. She like, I don't know why we're going off into this, but it's fascinating, I think, because she had this tremendous loss, right? Like basically no family at the age of a very young age, like as a teenager. And then now she has two daughters of her own, but she also married a man who has three kids. So they have five together and then they had one together. So she just has this bounty of family.

Freddie Kimmel (07:18.328)
And they moved to Georgia.

Laura McKowen (07:19.896)
And they moved to Georgia, right? So, you know, in her 40s, so life is crazy.

Freddie Kimmel (07:25.902)
It's crazy how much we know about people from their Instagram stories. It's a little weird. It's little weird. So the other thing I wanted to touch base on is that over this last week, we happened to both dive into the Prolon Fast, which for everybody in the audience, a Prolon Fast is, it's not a true fast, it's called the Fasting Mimicking Diet.

Laura McKowen (07:30.541)
Yeah, that's

It's a little weird.

Freddie Kimmel (07:53.932)
And essentially it's a tapered caloric diet for five days. It starts like around a thousand calories and it might go down to eight to 600 depending on weight and body height and size. But you get the same mimetic effects of doing a five day fast as far as blood work, autophagy. Autophagy is the state in which your nervous system jumps into Pac-Man mode and starts eating up viruses, mold and bacteria. You really get this deep clean out.

Laura McKowen (08:21.293)
Man mode.

Freddie Kimmel (08:21.87)
mode you can visualize your body cleaning out like that and it's a way to do a fast and still function partially in the real world like let's you still got to do work and output content and show up in life and be a mom and So you're on day five How are you feeling on day five?

Laura McKowen (08:44.864)
Well, I know it's over. So much better. Like the three, the degree is where I wanted to just claw my eyes out. It's also like think the lowest calorie day. Yeah. I think it's like 800 or 700, like extraordinarily low. Yeah. My challenge is that I don't sleep well. Like I know a lot of people say they sleep well, but I don't. And then of course the stuff we were talking about this morning, the anger.

The feelings that come out sideways.

Freddie Kimmel (09:19.042)
The, you know, for me, any fasting and I normally fast, it's really not that big of a deal for me. I'll normally bust a 24 hour every week. Really? Yeah, once a week. It's really, really good for keeping your immune system in check. Anybody who has had cancer, the science on fasting is really profound. The metabolic pathway, metabolic treatment of cancer, it's like, it's a book. I would go grab it right now. I think it's in my bathroom, but it's one of the protocols that they just say, you know,

Unless you're in that severe weight loss state of your like been through like eight rounds of chemo and your body's done. That's not the time to fast. which is really rare. And that's sort of when cancer has taken over, it's got to a certain point. But as far as someone who's been through treatment, it's really beneficial to, again, it's that Pac-Man mode. Cause you and I are making cancer every single day all day. And our immune system is going around and you know, eating that, eating those good guys up for food. It's a protein.

Yeah, and it's it's a good practice. So to sidebar back to that, the prolon. You know it's I'm very, used to it. I'm normally like a 16 to 18 hours a day.

Laura McKowen (10:30.904)
doing that for a while. Yeah, right. I've been doing that for a while and I already did one round of Prolon, which so I knew a little bit about what to what was going on. It's definitely a practice, you know, it's a practice, like, I don't I've never tried 24 hours. And I suspect now that you've done it, you probably even look forward to it and you it's like no big deal.

Freddie Kimmel (10:42.189)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (10:55.214)
19 hours I get so high I get I get I get really hungry and then I get like there's a little dip and then when I bust through this certain spot in the plane it's like look out brain power energy I'm super happy I like break through a wall every time yeah

Laura McKowen (11:16.398)
So what do you when do you do the time like is it like 8am to 8am?

Freddie Kimmel (11:23.456)
Whenever whenever whenever I stop eating Okay, you know and then I just know I'm like, I can have like a subtly early dinner I can do a 6 30 p.m. I got to make it to 6 30 the next day. Not that big a deal Yeah, and plus if you're really really pounding water

Laura McKowen (11:39.97)
Yes. Well, so what it has taught me the first time, because I had never tried any type of fasting ever. but I had a history of eating disorders where I would go for long periods of time, but I had a very specific focus at that point, you know, and I was not emotionally healthy at all. So 20 years, 25 years later, much different place. But what I noticed first is that

often I had the impulse to eat and how little that had to do with hunger and then to realize like you can be hungry and not do anything about it is such a it's a that's like a lesson that goes across for everything like I can want to do something and not do it so like I learned that in sobriety but you also don't have to drink ever you know like you never have to drink again you do have to eat

Freddie Kimmel (12:38.252)
Yeah, eventually, eventually. It's funny, was a somebody people rarely comment. I have like a Facebook page, a Facebook business page that I don't really like. I wish I could get rid of it, but they tell me I need it to like run ads.

Laura McKowen (12:41.356)
Eventually.

Laura McKowen (12:55.342)
Tuesday.

Freddie Kimmel (12:57.314)
The freaking entrepreneurial gurus are like, you need the Facebook page to be able to market. You're never going to make 10 K a year. Whatever. You know, they, they do this like thing. They're like, you need this, you need this. can't get rid of it anyway. So I don't post on it. gets like, it's awful. Their voice it's regurgitated like information from other people who have a apple pie baking recipe for how you need to make a business.

Laura McKowen (13:15.266)
their voice is off.

Freddie Kimmel (13:27.66)
Right. Valid or invalid anyways. So I don't post on it. It just gets like regurgitated content from like Instagram. Right. You know, the Instagram story kicks over to there, which I'm pretty much a Facebook live on my personal page or I'm an Instagram dude. Yeah. And that's just kind of where I live. I have a YouTube, but it's sad. So like it's sad. So so I had someone, you know, I would say like aggressively comment on a on

A podcast saying that like I talked about fasting and and I didn't put a disclaimer in and it was really irresponsible and fasting had really hurt them and really hurt their blood sugar. You know, and was kind of like, listen, you know, the beauty of health and wellness is that no one can tell you what to do, not your doctor, not me. Like you own the responsibility for you trying to fast to do coffee enemas.

Laura McKowen (14:08.206)
bye.

Freddie Kimmel (14:25.996)
to put ozone in your butt, to do naked red light therapy, to drink urine. You own that. When that goes bad, when that goes bad, that's because of your choice. That's the beauty to me of like all this biohacking our biology for better living.

Laura McKowen (14:43.502)
Yeah, people don't feel that way though. They don't feel that way about, well, a lot of things. People who tend to not feel that way about one thing feel that way about a lot of things, right? Like, I'm not, I don't have the power and I need to be told what to do and it's your fault if it goes wrong. So the message that I think is awesome with you and what I try to tell people about

Freddie Kimmel (14:54.988)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (15:03.971)
Yeah.

Laura McKowen (15:09.782)
sobriety and really their entire lives. Like you're responsible for your experience. You make all the choices. And I think when it comes to health and something like fasting, people are afraid because if they are responsible for all the choices, holy shit.

Freddie Kimmel (15:28.116)
Mm-hmm. Well, and it's it's there's so many factors. Yes. Like, of course you could damage your body fasting. Is the drainage in your body working? Are your lymphatics poor? Right. Do you have toxins in your bilinary duct? And is your is your pancreas toxic? So when you do start not eating and you start actually clearing your you might feel really bad. Right. Do you have high heavy metal toxicity? Did you were you exposed to lead paint? Like I grew up in Holly, New York.

We grew up next to a chemical factory, Diaz Chemical, which eventually like was closed down. Massive chemical. Now I used to swim in like the waterfalls that drained off of this chemical plant.

Laura McKowen (16:09.45)
here, just get it. Yeah, but and you.

Freddie Kimmel (16:12.019)
Like Total Simpsons. Yeah.

Laura McKowen (16:14.38)
And you would have no way of knowing that most of us don't have any idea what's going on inside, right? Until we start to learn and start to tinker and start to try things. So, all right. So how to someone, because I would imagine I was very curious about fasting, right? And I think it's getting talked about more and more and more and more. So for people who is there any

Freddie Kimmel (16:25.901)
Yeah.

Laura McKowen (16:43.224)
case that you know of where you just say don't do it.

Freddie Kimmel (16:48.034)
I mean, normally when someone has a history of eating disorders, you need to be very careful because what you're doing is you're depriving the body of nutrients and you could follow this down the path to proteins that are going to make the neurotransmitters in your brain, which are going to deprive that and your thoughts are going to go a little left and right, like you said. And who knows where that leads into that little behavioral pocket that doesn't benefit you. Right.

Right. So that's that's a strong, you know, that's a, that's a very strong choice. I always, I always like to have people be aware if you have severe chronic fatigue. and part of that fatigue stems from, an adrenal dysfunction. Your adrenal gland is a little P little P sits on top of the little kidneys sits on top of the kidney. And it's basically made out of vitamin C, but you know, it's pumping out, it's helping to pump out those, those cortisol hormones.

which are regulating energy. if you had something like Addison's disease, if you had something like, like I said, like, like a chronic fatigue situation, I would be really cautious about depriving your body of calories and an already weakened state. Yeah. That being said, I also know people have gone to medically monitored fasting camps and busted through that because their chronic fatigue was a result of mold toxicity.

Epstein bar lime and in that deep 21 day fast water fast that they did and and and broth Their body ate up enough of the toxic load that they felt great afterwards

Laura McKowen (18:26.082)
Yeah, I know. It's I mean, that's a different case because it's you know, you're kind of medically watched and probably get the exact nutrients that you need to, you know, to sustain certain things. But that's why Dr. Victor Longo created the ProLon fast. I think it was based on cancer patients because he knew the life giving effects of fasting. But he also and he would recommend that to

Colleagues of his would recommend that to people who were cancer patients, but they didn't have much success in actually getting them to fast because it's really uncomfortable for people. So he created this fasting mimicking diet because people actually eat, so they had better success with it.

Freddie Kimmel (19:12.75)
They did. Yeah. And he's, you know, he's a brilliant dude. And I'm pretty sure every dollar of profit from that fast, like it's a fast, you can biohack yourself. Yeah. I think I mentioned this last time you can go to Bob Troia, his site's quantified Bob. You can look up a recipe to make your own fast or you can buy the kit, right? You know,

Laura McKowen (19:36.142)
It's like 250 bucks, so not everybody wants to buy that.

Freddie Kimmel (19:39.598)
250 bucks, actually came to market at 550. Now it's down to 250. Yeah, but every dollar of the proceeds goes towards some research. He doesn't benefit a dollar from it. So it's a good deal. And I think it's a good house cleaning practice, if you will, for the old meat suit.

Laura McKowen (19:47.0)
research.

Laura McKowen (19:59.98)
Yeah, for me, it's so much of a like, I do feel physically different. And it got me to actually feel what it would be like the first time I did it. Did not have sugar cravings like hadn't felt that way for 20 years. Like, I really didn't know what that felt like because it finally broke the whatever. You explained it to me like it must have just broken my or regulated my blood sugar over five. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (20:24.046)
So, well, yeah, that can definitely help. It also, it can take six months to regulate blood sugar a year, depending on how, you know, wacky or how many environmental factors you've got going on.

Laura McKowen (20:39.468)
Right. But I felt that for the first time, whereas before other things that I've tried, was like, you're not going to feel, just could, I just never had success with it before. was like, still want to eat ice cream every night and I'm, you know, I'm trying to push through this other way. So that it worked for me in that way. And I think more than anything, it's like, it just makes, made me really conscious of what I was eating and realizing like, I don't have to eat that much.

to feel satisfied and how much I was using food to regulate mood and discomfort.

Freddie Kimmel (21:17.036)
Yeah, that's pretty, I pretty much wiped that away. It's almost gone. And even, you know, going back to like, I remember the times when I was like, lime and heavy metal and like went through all the cancer surgeries and like, my belly was, I couldn't eat anything. I definitely couldn't go out and eat with like people, but I would still go out. I would still go out and hang. I couldn't drink alcohol. I still got to hang at the bar.

Laura McKowen (21:34.936)
No, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (21:45.07)
I would still go out and go like when there were like chicken wings and burger and like mozzarella triangles. I was like, I die, but I would still go be and be social.

Laura McKowen (21:54.2)
you feel satisfying and fun to do that when you couldn't eat anything? Or was

Freddie Kimmel (21:59.886)
It was hard, that presence and energetic and community far outweighed the sadness of being alone in my house. I have spent far too many times alone on a couch, missing out on shit. I was like, I just want to be there. It wasn't that sad. It wasn't that hard.

Laura McKowen (22:21.506)
Yeah. You know what I thought about this today. I wonder what you think. I mean, I think the answer is obvious, but it's just not something we say out loud often. Like we need to be seen by other people. need to be like seen by other people, like witnessed by other people. I got dressed today and I think it's also this phase in my life because I spend a lot of time just inside working.

I often don't like today, I like did my hair and put makeup on because I was teaching and like got dressed.

Freddie Kimmel (22:54.59)
or because you knew you were to be called onto the podcast.

Laura McKowen (22:59.18)
That maybe back in my head I was like, I bet something's going to happen. No. But, and then I was just sitting outside on my deck after I picked up my daughter from school. I was like, I just need to be seen like by other people sometimes. Like even just my friends, like I need to have. Like you need to have yourself reflected back at you by other people. It's such a basic thing, but.

Freddie Kimmel (23:28.34)
It's huge.

Laura McKowen (23:29.314)
But we can go, I can go long periods of time without that.

Yeah, and I think it's also being seen like in a certain way too. you're like, let's talk about dating and relationships. I'm like, maybe. But I think that's part of it too is like wanting to be seen by the opposite sex because that's who I'm attracted to. Like witness that way or like seen as like an attractive person or like just seen in that way. Like get that energy.

Freddie Kimmel (24:05.038)
Even even yeah, you know, this is one thing for me when you when you when you jump into that like umbrella of thought I see I see the fact that I I'm so addicted to health food and the quality of food that I rarely will let myself go out But with that and being a single dude in 40 whatever 41. I think I'm 41 like I wait I'm like how old am I? I I

I experience a lot. Most my meals are alone. Yeah. So like it does feel really good. It does feel really good. Like there isn't an I mean, from a scientific standpoint, eating with another human is like hugely beneficial to the energetic systems and organ systems within the body. Yeah. You get like this endorphin rush and everything synergistically digest better from being around other humans. Like apes, apes live longer in community than they do in captivity.

across the board. So it's almost like you get when you're a health nut, sometimes you get this self-imposed captivity. Because you're to be neurotic about your food, not neurotic, but it's like, I want to feel good. And if I go eat, you know, if I go eat something that's like a sub par, I'm like, wah, wah, I'm like, I can sort of taste the sadness in this chicken. Yeah, yeah, he was like, sad. Yeah. And I mean, not to be weird, but I really can taste the different and

Laura McKowen (25:27.906)
Well, there's no life in it. It's not, you know how it's going to make you feel. So you have to weigh the like, do I need, which, what do I need more?

Freddie Kimmel (25:35.182)
And this is this is a real this is a real thing there's scientific study on the quality of meat if you have an animal that Knew that they were going to be killed if they lived in fear like that even even and I think it's even like 10 minutes if the animal knows it's moving towards the slaughterhouse There's a chemical released that fear that cortisol and it changes the flavor and quality of that animals meat and it changes the value of

it going into your body. Of course it does. cycle of life, you know, you really want, it's like, it's like you want that like animal that was, it was like the thrill of the hunt. It's like living its best life, trying to get away from you, not like being pushed into a cattle grade.

Laura McKowen (26:19.016)
that was living its best life up to the last moment before it died.

Freddie Kimmel (26:23.694)
Yeah, that's what I want.

Laura McKowen (26:26.71)
Yeah, no, I get that completely because sobriety was like that for a long time, right? Like I didn't know how to go out without drinking and drinking itself. I think that's a lot of reason why people drink is because it's communal. It's like social, right? And that's how I knew how to connect with people. So I thought taking that equation away and it was true for a while. actually just removed me in that situation at all. Right. And so that was very lonely.

And I don't, that's not the case anymore, but my life is such because the work I do because of, and sometimes it is not drinking, you know, like sometimes I'm not going to put myself in places where people are at night. Cause I don't, it's not enjoyable for me to go out, not because I want to drink, but just, it's like not where I want to be. I feel good.

Freddie Kimmel (27:15.734)
Yeah. What about karaoke?

Laura McKowen (27:19.298)
I live in a, I live in like Suburb of it. Like I'd have to go to Boston and I'm old and lazy at night.

Freddie Kimmel (27:26.542)
There's karaoke up in like, up in like, Salem.

Laura McKowen (27:31.63)
know, it's more just, it's more just like, it doesn't bother me enough to try to do things about it. It's just more like an observation that I have, you know, like, there's times when I also think it's like a phase of life thing too. Like I lit, have my mom and that's sort of what my stuff revolves around first. And then I, I work. And so, I don't know, it's just an interesting thing to witness. It was like, Oh, that's

Freddie Kimmel (27:52.029)
Mm-hmm.

Laura McKowen (28:01.41)
That's it, like I want to be witnessed by someone. That's what I thought about today. Like, that's interesting.

Freddie Kimmel (28:09.356)
That it is, it's totally valid. mean, again, on this world where you kind of create your own work and in going from a theater background where you're like around 30, 40 people every day, all night, it's like, you know, you're constantly, it's like, there's this level of like, who's the funniest, who's the loudest, who's the, you know, and that's- You're always on. That's that whole separate, the always on thing. It's like, my goodness. Right.

Laura McKowen (28:32.001)
on and

Freddie Kimmel (28:37.858)
that like will break, that breaks me. You know, as entertaining as like theater people can be in the affinity that I have for them. But just to be able to like, even in that setting, you can set it down. You can set down the, you know, I'm very aware of masks that people wear. Whether you can be animated and wear the mask. But you know, it's, don't know if you saw the documentary on Robin Williams on HBO, which just.

I don't think ever anything's ever broke my heart so much because there was there was a human that all his body everybody of work he ever did. It just lit me up like I can give myself goosebumps right now about any scene any monologue and to see how low and how sad he was alone.

Laura McKowen (29:22.446)
Cause he never, yeah. Well, he had some like clinical depression and mental illness stuff going on, but also yeah. Wearing the mask constantly and getting so much affirmation and attention for that.

Freddie Kimmel (29:36.94)
You know, having your foot on the gas pedal that hard. It's like, it's like, know what else they goes into the same category is like clowns. Like you got to push it so hard to be a clown. Like I'm scared of your dark side. That's why we have the story it by Stephen King or are like or like we're like, what about the what was the what was the movie about all the Catholic priests in Boston?

Laura McKowen (30:00.382)
yes.

Freddie Kimmel (30:01.966)
Do know what I'm talking about? Yes. Or not the movie, but we can just look at the number of Catholic priests that have been associated to child molestation. Yeah. And it's like you're driving yourself to be this like level of purity, like above human, but no, no, no, no, no. If you're going to try to live there, something's going to drag you back into darkness. And it's that balance of like the shadow side.

Laura McKowen (30:25.934)
Well, that's what I think comedy, comedians like dance on that edge all the time, right? And I think that's why that's the magic that comedy has is it like has this all chemical power to transmute the dark side. Like they go there and they kind of break it up, like molecularly break it up, right? Like they break up the edge and so you can like release it and laugh.

which actually allows you to release it. But they go there. That's the point. They actually go there. It's not like, you know, a rom-com where you're like, that was fun escape fantasy. It's like comedy, really good comedy actually goes to the dark place. That's why it's so good. And I just watched Dave Chappelle's special on Netflix that has everybody freaking out.

Freddie Kimmel (31:12.738)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (31:21.526)
I gotta watch that. just watched the, did you, were you a fan of the television show master of none on Netflix? You never watched master of none. Well, you know, his whole thing was he, he, they pulled his show because within the me too movement, he was like this, he had like a bad date or like he, do you remember this? Yeah.

Laura McKowen (31:28.011)
I never watched it.

Laura McKowen (31:44.898)
You stand sorry.

Freddie Kimmel (31:47.906)
He had like the bad date and the girl like wrote the letter and I'm like, wait, what happened that was bad? But it was just like in the wake of that, age of outrage that they just pulled everything. And now Netflix, Netflix who pulled it has given him his special back. Like he's on a special and he sits down, he does an apology like the first two minutes. this was this instance this week.

And then they have this woman, Laura Spencer on Good Morning America, who had made fun of the, of the, Prince and his ballet class. And, know, she'd apologize. It was this big, beautiful thing. And I did this thing on it yesterday where I was so, I heard all these people from my community being like, not good enough, unacceptable. You're, you're on a, you're on a news outlet. You need to do better. I was like, wait, how can we not allow people to make mistakes and do apologies?

We're going to ride. The only thing that's going to happen when you demand absolutes from the human race, everybody's going to ride their ego. They're going to double down. Yeah. And we're to get this like total scenario now tyranny.

Laura McKowen (32:52.142)
The hour he was like tribalism. That's that's what it creates.

Freddie Kimmel (32:55.828)
It's crazy. It's crazy. I was so glad to see his his special back and and and he is so dark and his he does this whole thing on like, he just sits back and watch Facebook comments on like, I'm more woke than you. Well, I'm sure that.

Laura McKowen (33:13.772)
Yeah, I'm sure that pushed him to a very interesting place, you know, to try to make sense of all that happened.

Freddie Kimmel (33:23.022)
Can you imagine it going to Whole Foods and you know every single person is hating you?

Laura McKowen (33:27.918)
no, I can't. no, I can't. Yeah. I mean, I, this is something I could talk about for a long time because, and it's really difficult to talk about, you know, but Dave Chappelle's, mean, it's called sticks and stones. basically goes after cancel culture and does it in a really, I think brilliant way. mean, he, there are cringy moments, but like, I had this

this feeling like, thank you, like for saying it because he does it in a way that's so genius. it's so, and I want to watch it again because I want to like pay more attention to the subtleties of what he did. But no, it's pissing people off. Like he went too far and he, you know, now he's just this privileged, very wealthy man who can say these things.

It's not true. mean, he's getting a shitload of backlash and whatever. Comment. My point is comedy. It's very dangerous when we when our culture attacks comedy and starts telling comedians what they can't do. That is that is definitely a signal towards tyranny.

Freddie Kimmel (34:40.758)
I agree.

Freddie Kimmel (34:47.009)
Yeah. Yeah. I think we've all got to be aware. You know, the other thing that it drove for me was like this idea of like, well, outrage and in the the in the community of consumers, like people will define like, they're like, they'll use the word like unacceptable. Yeah, like this is unacceptable. And I'm like, what? Why? Why is it unacceptable? mean, look at this is throughout history. Look at all of existence. Yeah.

Like you're going to get these highs and lows ebbs and flows into like awful, awful treatment of different races and subcultures and unfair and these huge gaps and pay. you know, this is, it's all up and down. Right. And we can always strive for more. it, it's to say it's unacceptable. It's like, it's just the ultimate to me. It's like sitting down in the middle of the floor and pounding your hands on the ground and saying like, I don't like this life.

you know, and waiting for someone to come change it.

Laura McKowen (35:47.754)
Yeah, well, also the that assuming that because there are problems, inherent problems with a with a system, let's say capitalism, that it needs that it is a it needs to be completely torn down and ripped apart and thrown out where like as if there is a place where as if there is a system or a structure that there are problems don't exist. Right. And there is I think I think that

the intention among a lot of these people is good intention. I think they really do want this sort of equality for all and equality of outcome and equal treatment for everybody. But the truth is that hierarchies have always existed. It's not a new thing. It's a biological thing. It's a from the beginning of human time thing. It's an earth thing, right?

to say that everything should be thrown out and started anew and that it's somehow a new thing that has existed in the last four years is almost laughable. It's actually very laughable. But you know, it's also like social media is a huge part of this, media is a huge part of this. mean, what we see is what we believe and we, I think if there's anything we should pull out of this is like,

Freddie Kimmel (36:59.392)
problematic

Freddie Kimmel (37:09.134)
E

Freddie Kimmel (37:12.622)
Mmm.

Laura McKowen (37:16.866)
Watch what you consume, you know? I listen to one left leaning podcast and one right leaning podcast. I don't fucking watch the news because it's ridiculous. Yeah. I don't know how we got here. Watch the Dave Chappelle thing.

Freddie Kimmel (37:33.762)
Watch the Dave Chappelle thing.

Laura McKowen (37:35.714)
And if you hate it, that's totally fine. But people are saying, you know, that he should be like, he shouldn't be able to talk, shouldn't be able to. And it's like, that's the stuff that really bothers me is that he should be taken, his platform should be removed. It's like, when we start telling people that we just because we disagree with them, that they shouldn't have a voice anymore, what?

Freddie Kimmel (37:47.96)
Mm.

Freddie Kimmel (38:00.514)
Look at some of the world leaders that have a voice right now. Nobody's taking away their platform yet. I have a question for you. What are what if some of your goals for the 2019-2020 health and wellness as you because you're coming into your ICU coming into your own your power right now. Like I said, you've got the book.

Laura McKowen (38:03.371)
Yeah

No, no, no!

Freddie Kimmel (38:26.936)
You've got all this great content that you've already made. Now you're trying to refine it. You're coming up with a new voice. What are some of your goals to maintain that, that, the energetic force with which you need to keep creating like you are?

Laura McKowen (38:42.702)
knew that when I went on book tour, that I wanted to feel better than I ever have. Like I wanted to feel my very best. And by that, mean, energetically, like I want to have a lot of energy. I just finished going through, I would say we'll just start at sobriety because I always felt like should be first sobriety. But in the past five years, I

had so little energy. wanted to sleep all the time. And I slowly started, like I stopped taking Ambien finally, which was a duh, but it was like, that was really hard for me. Let that go. started to pay attention to what I was eating, sugar and all of that. I slowly started to pay attention to the other layers of stuff.

And I got to a point though, I would say a year ago where I was like, I don't think I'll ever have energy again. Like I don't feel like I'm like, maybe I'm just tired all the time. Like this is just how my life is. This is how, what it feels like to be my age. Like I'm just always tired and I'm slowly crawling out of that. Like I was napping every day. I was like struggling. Like I would think about, I'd be afraid to plan things cause I'd be afraid of when I could go, like, was I going to be able to make it?

energetically. And so I would say my goals are to like really just keep moving out of that and exploring new ways. The fasting is on it. Like intermittent fasting even has just has already helped me a lot with that. So I want to keep going with it. I would love to. I sleep awesome. I would love to get to a place where I can trust myself when I'm traveling.

Freddie Kimmel (40:29.389)
Mm-hmm.

Laura McKowen (40:40.238)
to like, I can trust that I'm gonna feel good when I'm traveling, because I never do. always feel terrible and I get really anxious.

Freddie Kimmel (40:50.51)
Well, let's talk about a little, it, do you think it's the actual art? you're talking about like when you travel to LA or are you talking about taking a day trip to New York?

Laura McKowen (40:57.89)
Any out of my home.

Freddie Kimmel (40:59.662)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (41:04.396)
Well, you know, I'll just give you a few suggestions like just for for people to stew and resonate, you know, maybe maybe you can just hear a few. You know, one thing I really like is, especially when I'm traveling and I'm going to stay in a hotel room, I really like to kind of take a like a super kit to harmonize the hotel room I'm going to stay in.

And one thing I have a like a resonance device that plugs into the wall and it kind of harmonizes like any frequencies, energetics, 60 Hertz that might be coming out of the wall socket next to my bed. And it just kind of ohms out the room. I will put the name of that in the show notes and I just.

Laura McKowen (41:51.65)
I'm going to get it right away. need to know.

Freddie Kimmel (41:53.61)
it's it's leaving my it's leaving my yeah, it's it's cute. I mean, the other thing obviously sponsor the podcast I travel with an amp coil, which is the the PMF device which you know, if you go in if you travel you're going under geopathic stress lines to another area that's real. You know, you're going you're exposed to all this nasty. Geopathic. It's probably like three

Laura McKowen (41:56.142)
Your brain.

Laura McKowen (42:17.55)
What hell that means? What do have path?

Freddie Kimmel (42:23.31)
podcast ago, I had Werner Brandmeier, who is he runs the Institute of like, geopathic stress and function way. And geopathic stressors actually lines in the earth that like, I'm going to make this really quick. They would follow herds of animals and sheep around London or Ireland or France, and they would see wherever the sheep would sleep. That's where you'd build a house.

Laura McKowen (42:50.104)
No way!

Freddie Kimmel (42:51.416)
There's places the animals would never sleep because there were actually grids coming up just like a fault line in San Francisco where there'd be an adrenergic charge from the core of the earth that would make you sick. And there's many, many instances of people having their beds on a geopathic stress line that come down with cancer, these mystery diseases, and they move the bed. This is really a part of feng shui. It's putting elements in your home where you like spend the most time that aren't under these geopathic stress lines. So there's

Amulets was a necklace that Werner sells super affordable like $65 something like that and it has these like sacred biogeometry forms and just ease your body going after the geopathic stress The other thing is this crystal blanket that I'm helping my friends It's it's a it's 96 crystals and minerals that have been smashed down turned into fiber Rewoven into a blanket and you wrap yourself in this blanket and it's meant for travel

Really?

Laura McKowen (43:50.35)
I have to get one before I travel.

Freddie Kimmel (43:53.344)
I know the reason why the blanket works is because it's working from an infrared, an infrared like sciencey standpoint, it's reflecting the energy that your body's sending off right back into your body. So you're, you're increasing microcirculation and you're having less like stagnation in the body as you sit or in a plane or it helps with jet jet lag. It's called,

Yeah, Lightbodyblanket.com is what the site's going to be called. It's not quite out yet. It's brand new. They're about to drop. And then the other thing that I really like is I really like supplementing with liposomal melatonin.

Laura McKowen (44:30.496)
Yeah, so I did order that because you told me.

Freddie Kimmel (44:32.814)
especially when I'm traveling. And people will say you're going to suppress your own melatonin. You know what? For me, it works. I, I, when you start using it, you're going to be groggy in the morning, but you're going to go to a point where your body becomes used to it. And I have less inflammation in my brain. My brain works better.

Laura McKowen (44:50.638)
Yeah, I did order that because you told me to. So I have that. And I've also learned this, think, is one of the reasons I have more energy now. And you can tell me if I'm fooling myself or if this is true. I finally started actually hydrating myself. Like I was just drinking water and like I would drink so much water and I never had enough water and I have to wake up in the middle of the night and have more water. And now I'm doing water with Celtic sea salt and lime like all day long. And then I do the hydrogen tabs.

Freddie Kimmel (45:19.971)
Mm-hmm.

Laura McKowen (45:20.558)
and it really makes a difference. Yes. And then I also started taking good probiotic, like I ordered the seed probiotic and I'm doing that. Those two things seem to have helped quite a lot.

Freddie Kimmel (45:22.798)
trucey, right?

Freddie Kimmel (45:36.334)
Probiotics huge with travel. There's a doctor, Kieran Kershon, who is a microbiologist, who's also a guest of the show. You know, he makes arguably like the best probiotic in the world. Most study, they put all their money back into research. It's called Megaspore. It's on freddyseco.com under Freddy's faves. And it's a spore forming bacteria that actually creates antioxidants in your gut. It's transient and then it leaves. especially when you're traveling, it's helping you.

When we travel, we're so exposed to different microbiota, different bacteria. It's like, that's why it's like travelers diarrhea. Like I got food poisoning in this other country or this other city because your body's. Or travelers can't poop, totally.

Laura McKowen (46:18.392)
Can't poop.

Laura McKowen (46:23.192)
PCP is the word!

Freddie Kimmel (46:25.778)
I know, I know, I know, I know. Well, I wanted to go back to the minerals too, because I know people say, I drinking water, drinking water. If you don't have the minerals, minerals are like the little the taxi into the cell. You've got to get the hydration into the cell and mineral, the mineral balance in the body. Man, that's an easy task. You can test your minerals. I think there's a test on Amazon to just test your minerals and heavy metals. And if that's out of alignment, you're never going to feel great.

Laura McKowen (46:54.294)
Yeah, and that must have been what was going on with me.

Freddie Kimmel (46:57.752)
Well, I'm sure it was a factor.

Laura McKowen (46:59.726)
I'm sure it was a factor, right? And, once I started to, like, I just started with a few small things and it became, and then it slowly has built and built and built. So I guess my, you my goal is I want to keep building. I want to keep building on this and try to think if there's anything else that I've done that I could like, I do the chion amino acids. That those are great. Like before I work out, because that was the other thing I was working out like crazy. Like,

so much and I actually am working out less and that because I was just constantly in and doing hard work out it's like cross fit work.

Freddie Kimmel (47:37.326)
I've seen your Instagram. I know you're into the CrossFit. It's the dose becomes the poison. So normally, those really high intensity, you don't need to do five days a week for like an hour and 15 minutes. You can do like 20 minutes, 15 minutes.

Laura McKowen (47:52.738)
And I'm back to more yoga, more running, more of that type of stuff.

Freddie Kimmel (47:58.89)
Yep. Yes, the breath yoga is great because it moves breath through the body and you know Like we were saying at the beginning of the podcast the body keeps the score We never know what we hide in those little pockets and in the breath You really can't hide emotions from the breath, especially You know if you use that breath work during your practice just to open and you're in visualizing those spaces that are opening

Laura McKowen (48:20.398)
I feel happy just thinking about it right now. I need to do that today. I haven't done it.

Freddie Kimmel (48:26.52)
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Me too. My goals. My, you know, it's funny, my health in the last like three months has skyrocketed. because of, well, because honestly the frequency in PMF has been the biggest thing that I've done. it's the most consistent. really dropped all my, I was taking like 20 supplements a day. I'm down to like four. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I wanted to make sure this was really doing it for me.

Laura McKowen (48:29.134)
What are your goals?

Freddie Kimmel (48:56.75)
Yeah, that's amp coils been like the number one and you know not to sound like a commercial for them but it's like I bought the thing sight unseen before I worked with the company. I'm like this thing's the bomb. Yeah. And I watch it make miraculous shifts for people. And really what it does is it just gives you the tools your body needs to make its own shifts. The human immune system is divine. You don't need anything to do it for you.

But how would we shift back into wellness when we're living in wifi and mold and you have a crappy diet and you've got food sensitivities and you've got ADHD and you're in a terrible relationship. It's too much working against you. Right. Period. Yeah. So the heavy lifting that's been huge. I just went from having like 23 food sensitivities. I just got back my tests on my blood work. One, one, was, one was apricot.

Laura McKowen (49:53.198)
apricot for, I don't even know, like do you care?

Freddie Kimmel (49:58.23)
Yeah, my mom was just my mom was just saying my mom's like, well, you remember and I don't eat apricots. But when I went to college my freshman year, I was so nervous about being like cool and just like I had a ride to college with my parents who were who were like probably six months away from a divorce. And I remember being a very awkward ride. And I was like, I'll just snack on these apricots in the back of the car. I ate like a pound and a half of apricots when I got to college. I could barely unpack.

I could barely unpack my stuff because I had like liquid poops for like a day and a half. Cramping, cramping, cramping. And honestly, honestly, I think I've ate apricots one other time. Yeah. Yeah. And now when I eat it, they give me tequila. Yeah. Now when I eat it, they give me joint pain. So so I was down to just apricots. So that was a win. I haven't had dairy in nine years or sugar since 2009. Not even a bite, not even a nothing.

So I've found a chocolate bar that I can eat with like coconut sugar. And now I'm like all in a chocolate. I'm like eating like two chocolate bars a day, which is horrible, but it doesn't make me sick. And I'm like, you know what?

Laura McKowen (51:07.592)
started for a long, I just get the one text from you double fisting paleo chocolate bars.

Freddie Kimmel (51:13.772)
Yeah, in preparation for my fast. Yeah, the other thing I can do now is I can eat cheese. I haven't had cheese in nine years. So I like, you know, I got a I did a really good diagnostic of the integrative wellness group in Belmar, New Jersey. They're going to be on the podcast. They are off the hook. If you need if you have someone that's on the struggle bus and wants to go get a consult with like off the hook, like diagnostic practitioners, this place is insane. Insane everything.

Infrared saunas foot baths cold lasers. They will make you feel like a new body a new boss But they did a little diagnostic on me and they were like even though you're not eating it Don't do cow's milk. Don't do don't do cows dairy. Don't do whey protein. That's horrible for you Yeah, yeah, but they were like go nuts with goat cheese and I was like no cheese makes me feel bad and now I'm and it the first piece of cheese I ripped into which is like a week ago It was like crap

Uh-huh. And I haven't, I haven't stopped. Uh-huh. Like I'm eating a brick a day. I'm eating a brick of goat cheese a day.

Laura McKowen (52:20.156)
Really? Like one of those little logs?

Freddie Kimmel (52:22.606)
Like a triangle, like a cheddar, like a hard cheddar. But I'm living for it and it's amazing. It's like simple pleasures, like cheese makes me that happy. Totally. Like I'm not stopping and I don't care. Yeah. The repercussions of eating too much cheese.

Laura McKowen (52:31.534)
That's so good.

Laura McKowen (52:44.012)
No, mean, well, that's awesome. So.

Freddie Kimmel (52:47.758)
Wait, are my goals? That's what you asked me. So I'm like, I'm like, I like to, I like to go after the wins. You know, I like to like, I feel like as human beings, never, we're all like, I'd like this, but we never take stock in what we've won. So those are, those are freaking huge for me. I'm like a cauliflower crust pizza and a cheese and a like a, and like some type of a sauce away from eating a pizza again. Do you know what mean? And that's my dream. I remember saying to my

Laura McKowen (53:02.307)
huge.

Freddie Kimmel (53:14.968)
girlfriend at the time I said if I could ever eat pizza again that would be a dream for me. Yeah. So I'm thinking I'm thinking out of the stuff we know we can basically make we can make a truck out of cauliflower now right so I know we can make a pizza crust. We can.

Laura McKowen (53:31.694)
You're going to have pizza this year. You're totally going pizza. Yeah, the wins are huge. I mean, that's why, you know, it sounds like way low level health stuff. But when you're taking Ambien for 10 years and you stop taking it and you feel what it's like to have your body actually sleep. I was like in tears, just gratitude.

Freddie Kimmel (53:50.242)
Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (53:54.73)
That you have, I'm going to just, that's, that's a level of detoxing that you will continue to want to work on to maintain this energetic stance in your body. I guarantee you 10 years has had an effect on how your body functions from a mitochondrial standpoint. So we can talk about, yeah. I mean, infrared sauna is really the boss for you.

Laura McKowen (54:10.606)
terrifying for me.

Freddie Kimmel (54:16.546)
that deep, deep, deep heat or like an ionic foot bath is good too. Those are both excellent ways of slowly and gently and carefully detoxifying the body.

Laura McKowen (54:26.818)
I also got the petrisol seed.

Freddie Kimmel (54:30.318)
Pecta-Cel-C is an excellent binder. Pecta-Cel-C, it's a modified citrus pectin for those who don't know. You you drink it, it binds to toxins in the body. It doesn't bind to minerals. So it's one of my favorite binders. Although I've just heard that there are better binders for mold, you know, always up for discussion. Everybody's got an opinion on all this stuff. My goal for this year is to sell my house and to be a range free chicken.

Laura McKowen (54:32.326)
Right there, I got it.

Freddie Kimmel (54:57.87)
Yeah. Rome. want to I want everything I own. This is to be really hard for me because you know all this health stuff I have. It's a two bedroom, a thousand square foot apartment filled with biohacking stuff. Totally. I want it all to get in a car and I want to be able to pick up. I want to go to different cities. Yes. I want to go to Nice and Nephewland and Buffalo. I want to hang out and see them. They're real cute. They're for now. The best. They're super cute.

You know, I want to get somewhere warm for the winter. And just, you know, just try. I could so easily like move back into Manhattan right now and get a baller like studio apartment. I thought about that. If I don't go now, if I don't pack it up, I'll never go.

Laura McKowen (55:28.898)
Yes, you do. And I'll come visit you.

Laura McKowen (55:40.515)
do it.

Laura McKowen (55:45.25)
You have to, it's like you gotta go on this adventure.

Freddie Kimmel (55:48.3)
I've got to go on this adventure. that's my goal is to embrace the adventure, release fear and rock and roll. Love it. Yeah.

Laura McKowen (55:58.274)
We gotta end.

Freddie Kimmel (55:59.906)
We got to end. was 58 minutes of pure joy, 58 minutes and 13 seconds of pure joy. We will come back for more co-piloting, because I think it's valuable. It's funny I'm laughing to myself like how sterile I want to feel in my interviews and like controlled and formally got the question, got the list. No, it's fine to let it go once in a while. So this was the let it go episode. Thank you for facilitating this for me. Can you plug yourself and tell people where

Laura McKowen (56:05.166)
We can do this anytime.

Laura McKowen (56:28.044)
All my stuff is at my website, which is my name lauramcowen.com.

Freddie Kimmel (56:33.964)
Is that Jewish? Yeah.

Laura McKowen (56:35.406)
No, it's not Jewish. No, I'm half Italian and half all kinds of other stuff.

Freddie Kimmel (56:42.198)
I was going say All Irish.

Laura McKowen (56:44.046)
Well, yeah, the McCowan is Scottish and I have freckles and I look like it could be Irish. So there's definitely some Irish in there, but on Instagram, Laura underscore McCowan, everything is there. Links to my book that you can pre-order, links to my classes, links to all my stuff.

Freddie Kimmel (57:02.37)
So excited. Thank you so much. We're going to end it. Namaste, Laura.

Laura McKowen (57:07.52)
Namaste.

Freddie Kimmel (57:09.644)
Ladies and gentlemen, you made it to the end of the podcast. Now in a world where the average attention span is less than 10 seconds, we just spent almost an hour together. And I think this is the beginning of something really beautiful. Now one way to support the podcast is to head over to freddysetgo.com and check out my newly launched page, Freddy's Faves, where I've linked every five star product and healing modality you hear about on the show.

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head over to iTunes and leave a five star review. Grabbing a download is like giving this virtual thumbs up that we're doing it right. And if you want to connect with me, shoot me a message on Instagram at freddysetgo.com or at freddysetgo. That's all for today. Our closing, our closing, the world is hurting. We need you at your very best. So take the steps today to always be upgrading, whatever it takes to move the needle. Remember, while life is pain, putting those fractured pieces back together is a beautiful process. I'm your host. love you. Namaste. Have a wonderful day.