The Most Incredible Survivor story EVER with Matt Ode

In this episode, Freddie invites Matt Ode. Matt is a brave soul who has suffered and survived cancer. Through his near-death and rock-bottom experiences, he became a catalyst of change through his social media presence and the creation of his Facebook group to support people who are suffering from cancer and the challenges that come with it. 

This episode focuses on Matt’s story of survival to inspire communities to overcome life’s challenges like he did. He will also share his physical and emotional healing journey and practices to be at his optimal self. Also, he will talk about his passion for sharing his experiences and supporting cancer patients.

Episode Highlights

03:33 What his Facebook group is about and how he created it

07:07 Freddie and Matt’s talk about overcoming challenges and making an impact

10:10 A backtrack to Matt’s life before diagnosis and his journey towards survival

30:28 Freddie and Matt reminisce what it is like recuperating in the hospital

34:38 What Matt did to rebuild his body to its optimal state

41:01 On healing emotionally through sharing his story, coaching others, and building his community

45:21 What keeps him from falling off track and keeping an eye on the goal

48:58 The correlation of mental health and energy with cancer for Matt

51:02 What Matt has done to manage his emotional body post-cancer to make an impact

56:04 What beautifully broken means to Matt

57:05 Matt’s message to his struggling cancer-stricken self back then

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (00:03.308)
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We're here with season three. I have a very special guest, Matt Odey, who is a fellow testicular cancer survivor. I've never done a podcast on testicular cancer in the two years and being my background. So I'm so excited to have Matt on to share his experience. Matt, welcome to the show.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (02:39.254)
Awesome. Really appreciate it, Freddie. Excited to not just share my story today, but a lot of my experience and really hopefully help your community through any challenging moments in their life as well. So thanks again, man. Really appreciate it. Of course. Well, I became aware of some of the stuff that you were doing on social media. I had heard about the Facebook group that you had created to support other cancer survivors going through their experience, but it was very unique and different from

any other groups that I've experienced, the tone and tenor of how people engage and the nature of just this very much all around acceptedness that you've cultivated there. before we get into your story, can you tell us a little bit about the group and how you how you created that with that intention?

Yeah, absolutely. yeah, it was originally actually supposed to be a group for just young adults. And because I'm 29 years old, I was diagnosed at 24. So I was really in that niche. And the one thing I noticed was cancer is so challenging, but after cancer can be just as challenging mentally, emotionally and physically as it was during cancer. And the problem is that a lot of doctors, nurses or family members who've never actually

gone through the exact experience, don't know the mental and emotional struggle that we face with scan anxiety, with PTSD, with just not knowing what is our next path in life. Because I'll tell you this, Freddie, when you go through a challenging experience, doesn't have to be cancer for everyone existing. But if you do go through cancer and you come out on the other side, you are not just.

The same person, everybody, like I feel like our parents and some of our family members expect us to kind of go back to that same person we originally were. That's their goal is to get us back to that same person. But for us, at least for myself, I was like, I had this second chance in life. My time, energy and attention in this world is totally different. My perspective on life is a completely different viewpoint. I felt like I just needed to do something bigger with my life. And I said, you know what? I feel like I'm not alone in this.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (04:42.233)
So before I even created the Facebook group for probably a good eight months, I was literally just hopping into cancer communities, hopping into cancer Facebook groups, seeing what people were kind of like struggling with. And that was a huge topic of what do I go next? Where's that next step after cancer? And how do I recover through this and have people I can relate to? And I said, you know what? It's scary. I don't know what's going to happen of this, but I need to do something to build a community. want to be like that.

because I've been, it took me two years after cancer to work on myself, mentally, physically, and emotionally. So I said, you know what, I've done the rounds, I've done the reps, now let's give back. And that's the power of really self-development when you work on yourself. It allows you to give back in such a more powerful way. And when I created this Facebook group, it started off with 30, 40 people. And then,

people started to interact and then we started to get people referring each other. And then we started to build and build and build. And it's kind of crazy. kind of like, it was stagnant for about two months at about three, 400 people. And then soon as January hit, I really dove into the communities and we just skyrocketed up. And we're at over 2000 members now in the group. And I started in October of 2020. And the whole premise of this group is taking action.

There's amazing support groups out there. Don't get me wrong, amazing. But my main goal is to take action on what needs to be done to get back control of your life after cancer, because we do not want to let cancer define us anymore. It's okay to use cancer to progress us forward. But if you start letting it define you, that is where all the mental health and the physical challenges never let go in your life. And you feel like you're in this wheel, in this stuck place.

that you just can't get out of. And the problem is, is the people who love us usually can't relate. So we need to have a community of people who can push each other. And when we're feeling down, we actually know that feeling of how we're, you know, feeling down in those circumstances. So it's been an incredible community. Um, once you get over 2000 members and it's growing daily. So, um, just grateful to be that admin or mentor really, I look at myself as that mentor, that guide for a lot of people. And I want to continue to do that. So that's amazing, man.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (06:59.473)
It's so inspiring. It's almost like sometimes you're speaking. I was like, Oh wow. I was there like I was there 10 years ago because I'm I was diagnosed at 26 around, you know, similar, similar age and we're here. However, many years later and it's it's fascinating to feel the evolution. As you said, you do the work so you can show up better for other people. That's very, very resonant with me. I think that as far as disease states, whether it's Lyme or cancer or mold, from my experience, what I found is if we look at that

that initial event that is almost like that catalyst for change, know, working with, it's almost like this, you're working with, it's like a wrestling match. And at some point you want to, you want the match to be over, right? We want to, we want to, we want to move on and take our lessons away and just drop that, dropping the struggle. And I think that's, it's like these challenges come in. For some reason, I have this wrestling match view right now in my mind's eye that

You know, we use that teacher and then at some point we have to make a choice to step away and go on to a new story match. Number two, a new narrative, because I think, like you said, it's easy to be in this constant state of struggle where I am just crushed under the weight of my diagnosis or my disease or the labels that I've gotten in, you know, whatever my experience has been with with the medical system. 100%. And, know, the biggest thing I've learned is is our failures.

our setbacks, our challenges in life is one of the only ways to actually truly have growth in our life as well. Not saying you have to go through these crazy experiences, but you need to go through difficult times in your life in order to actually grow. You don't really just grow through everything's given to you or all this success. You grow through the failures, you grow through the difficult times because that's where the true lessons come into play. And I've always looked at life this way, is everything in life happens for you, not to you. And what I mean by that is

not necessarily everything in life is happening for you, but what it is is how do you take a difficult situation and analyze it? You can do it two different ways. You can say, why is this situation happening to me? Meaning making excuses, blaming other people, blaming God or blaming whatever your faith is. It's going to get you absolutely nowhere, but you can have that mindset or you can take the exact same situation because people have been in the exact same situation and say, how am going to learn from this?

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (09:23.131)
how am going to grow from it? And more importantly, after I do this, how am I going to make an everlasting impact in some, it could just be a better father. It could be our mother, or it could be making an impact like we're making, getting out on podcasts, things like that. That's the power of going through the difficult times. Beautiful. Matt, want to, I want to dive. I want to deep dive on your story. Let's go back to 24 years old. Maybe you can run us up into how you were feeling the time, what your life was like before diagnosis.

Absolutely. So yeah, I love starting my story. So I'm also keynote motivational speaker. So I always love starting my story of actually when I met my girlfriend and it was 2016, March 17th. So St. Patrick's day. And, we just met at a local pub and, know, we started talking and next thing you know, I got her number that night. And throughout the summer and spring, you know, we started dating around May, June, and we started doing all these summer activities. You know, we're going hiking, we're going kayaking at the time of a personal trainer, very healthy.

you know, working out six, seven days a week. And then all of a sudden I started to notice these minor back pains. And at the time, you know, I was like, I, it's probably just from lifting, I'll be all right. And it just kept progressing and just kept progressing. And as a, as a young adult, you know, you, it's very easy to think you're invincible. You know, I'm really trying to speak to a lot of young adults here is if something is just off, it's okay to go get checked up. Do not be afraid.

go get it checked up because you would rather get it sooner than later. And I was that stubborn person that just would not do it. Lauren would, you know, want me to go, which my girlfriend, my parents would want me to go to the doctors. I just wouldn't do it until one night. It about two and a half months into my relationship. was over Lauren's house and I ended up waking up and ended up puking up blood that night. Got rushed to the emergency room, found out that I had lost two thirds of the blood circulating in my body, which is equivalent to being shot with a gun.

got rushed in because they didn't know it was causing the bleeding. They gave me six bags of blood, got rushed into an emergency surgery. And the next morning, you know, I woke up, doctor walks in and he has just this blank stare in his eyes. And I knew like, okay, this, there's obviously something massive going on. So he comes over to me, sits down and I grabbed my hand. goes, Matt, we, we have found an 11 centimeter tumor in, uh, in your small intestine. We believe it is.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (11:41.883)
cancers, we don't know what type of cancer yet, and we have to rush you to the main campus of the Cleveland Clinic immediately. And the Cleveland Clinic, you know, is 30 minutes from me. I was at a local hospital and it's one of the top hospitals in the country, which I was very blessed to be there. So they rushed me there, do a bunch of tests, and that's what they found out I had stage 3c testicular cancer. Before that, though, when I finally got the news, it was just me and my parents. So nobody else knew. They took me in and I just remember looking over at them and

You know, I saw them, you know, obviously crying and everything. And for me, maybe it's because I was in so much shock, but I kind of like went into this survival mode of like, okay, I, there's no way I'm giving up obviously. And I'm not going to let, I'm not going to let this situation, I'm not going to start thinking the worst right now. And for me, I just felt like I need to be strong for them. Need to be strong for when I have to share the news to Lauren and all my friends and family. And, you know, I kind of just put this warrior hat on at first and

You would think that's a good thing, but it actually was probably just building more and more stress. And, um, you know, a day goes by, two days goes by and I met the clinic now and people are starting to come in and finally Lauren arrives and man, dude, I just, I just let it all out. Like just started bawling my eyes out. First I was scared because I didn't know if she still wanted to be with me. were only dating for two and a half months. So to put that pressure on her was a lot. And,

She didn't even flinch. And for me, man, like to let go of those emotions was everything. And I think for especially our guys out here, we love to hold our emotions. We love to hold our challenges in because we think we need to be that strong individual for other people because we have this perception or this persona on us. But it's just the total opposite because all that does is every time you hold something in, like an extra pound of baggage that's laid on your shoulder.

more mental health, more anxiety, PTSD, feeling like we're not good enough, feeling like we're unworthy because we can't express what we're going through. And when I finally was able to do that, even though I knew there was a journey ahead of me, it was like a million pounds lifted off my shoulder, man. So all that put together, you know, I think that's a very powerful message for a lot of guys out.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (13:57.233)
You know, if you want me to keep going, I'll kind of just keep sharing my journey. Yeah. Keep going. Let's, let's get in it. Cause I know it gets hairy here. It gets real crazy. So before we get to the crazy parts, immediately they put me on five rounds of chemotherapy. I'm almost called BEP. You might know from testing a catcher. I know if you went through with, okay, you know, the BEP and super intense drugs within a week and a half lost my hair. was crazy fatigued. Couldn't get out of bed. I would say one of the biggest mental challenges that hit me was third round.

totally beat up and me and my three year old puppy, he was diagnosed with cancer just before I was. I was taking him to all his chemo sessions. He's like my best friend. We're balanced together and he ended up passing away at three years old. And it was like devastating for me because I was just like my best friend and partner. So that hit me kind of hard. And I started to go into this excuse mode. So you think I'm all strong and looking at life is happening for me. And then I get this setback and I'm just devastated.

And for about a week, I just didn't want to do anything. And I think a lot of people can relate to this where they get it. They think they're going forward and then they get three steps backwards and it just like devastates you. And that was me for a while. And eventually I just kind of said, you know what? This is getting me absolutely nowhere. And is this what anybody in my life would want me to do is just start giving up on myself. So what I did was I picked myself up and I did one thing that I could do to progress myself forward each day. Maybe it's just getting up and walking that day. Maybe it's eating a little bit. Maybe it's just.

making sure I get my ass to chemotherapy, things like that. So it's one little thing every single day. So I kept progressing, kept progressing, finally finished chemotherapy. And when I finished chemotherapy, I'm thinking, okay, awesome. I have a surgery ahead of me. and then I'm done. And, so I go to my oncologist, he sits down with me and he goes, Matt, we found, you know, we, have good news and we have, we have bad news. Now the good news is the tumor.

has shrunk from 11 centimeters to three centimeters, which is awesome, great news. like, so what's the bad news? He goes, but your tumor is wrapped around what's called your inferior vena cava. And that is like a central vein that goes from the bottom of your upper body to your heart. And he goes, we're gonna have to do a 10 to 12 hour surgery with four separate surgeons involved. And we have no idea what the complications are gonna entail.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (16:11.409)
And you know, I, scheduled my surgery two weeks out and it was the longest fricking two weeks of my life. didn't want to talk to anybody. I just wanted to like get it over with. So the day comes, um, you know, I get there. I'm about, I've lost about 40 to 45 pounds from chemotherapy. So I'm, I was 185 pound personal trainer. Then now about 140 pounds lost a lot of muscle and get into the surgery. It was 11 hours. I come out and it three, two days later I come out like,

because it was just such an intense surgery. And I remember, and I couldn't move for like two days. And I remember looking down at my stomach and my whole body was just swollen. And when they finally got me on the scale to see how much I weighed and I could get up and stuff a couple of days later, I was close to 200 pounds of swelling. So I gained about 60 pounds of swelling and the doctors had no, this isn't normal, but it should, they had a drain tube. should drain, should be okay. So week goes by, they find them, we used to run the hospital.

Another week goes by and all of a sudden the draining just stops just like that. Just stops. I'm in so much pain. They had me at Percocet, Oxycontin, everything. None of it didn't work at all. Get rushed to the emergency room, get put into ambulance, get to the Cleveland Clinic. They find out that they have to drain seven liters of fluid out of my stomach. As they're doing so, my body goes into what's called compartment syndrome. It completely shuts down.

I have complete kidney and liver failure. have a cone drill inside my head to relieve potential brain swelling. I had a catheter in my neck, I had a catheter in my chest because I thought I was going be on dialysis the rest of my life. And I ended up falling into a two week non-induced coma in the entire process. throughout that coma, do want to share a story. I would love to share a story of just faith. I'm not pushing faith on anybody, but it is a vital part of my journey. Speak your truth, Matt. Speak your truth.

really powerful story. My mother, super big to faith, were Christian and she would host these prayer services to our local church and hundreds of people come. She hosted three prayer services and while I was in that coma, was only Lauren and my two parents that were really like there every single day. So never left that room, by the way. And each day Lauren would come up to me and she'd hold my hand and just wait for me to wake up and

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (18:33.369)
I'm not even kidding, Freddie. In the middle of the last prayer service, as hundreds of people, not just in that place was praying for me, but they had people around the world praying for me. Desk back in the middle, as Lauren's holding my hand, as they're praying, I wake up from my coma. And it wasn't like, I'm up and everything. No, but Lauren felt my fingers wiggling. She rushed over to the surgeon or the doctors and nurses and they're like, there's no way he's up. Like this just isn't like, it can't be true. Get the doctors in.

find out that I'm awake. And for me, that was God basically saying, listen, Matt, like, this isn't the end of your journey. Like this just the beginning of my journey for you. And, um, for me, I had a breathing tube shoved down my throat, so I'm not going to talk or anything. I was yellow and jaundice because of all of the kidney and liver failure. I forget which one it is. It's either kidney or liver that creates that. And man, I was just like beat up. So, you know, we goes by, they go to take out the breathing tube. making some progress. I'm talking a little bit and they're like, okay, we're going to also take out.

one of the catheters in your neck because you know, you don't need to have bolts of bone. As they do this, I ended up having what's called an arrhythm heartbeat and I'm going to cardiac arrest. They have to do eight minutes of CPR on me and I fall back into another one week coma where they actually sedated me this time. So I flatlined, I coded and then I bring it back to life. And that's when, you know, I had to fall into another week coma and it was about a 0.00001

percent chance of that ever happening. And of course it happens to me. So I wake up, you know, I'm now in the ICU for over three weeks, almost close to a month now. It's now Valentine's day. So I had my surgery early January. I was in the hospital mid to late January because of the complications. It's now February 14th, Valentine's day. I'm waking up, I see flowers and hearts everywhere and I go to move. I go to try and move my hand or whatever. I don't know.

By the way, I have no freaking idea what's going on. All this shit happened in so much time. So go to move and I can't even, I can barely move my fingertips. And right there, like I realized that day I had to completely relearn to live my entire life again. And I'm not even kidding you, it took about two and a half weeks to get me from just laying in my bed to taking my very first steps again. And we had four nurses every single day coming in to help me through this process.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (20:54.907)
plus my parents and Lauren and everything. Eventually I get out at this point of four surgeries into because it took three surgeries to remove, remove all the fluid from my stomach. And by the way, I have a massive cut from my left hip to my right hip. So they get me out, they get me into recovery room. I'm in there covering for three to four days and making some progress. But man, I knew something was wrong. Like there was just this weird feeling that

I wasn't ready to get out of the hospital. And they're like, well, we want to get you out of this hospital ASAP. So they were bringing me into my last stage of physical therapy and hopefully I was going to get out of there within like three to four days. Literally as they're wheeling me, not in a wheelchair, in my bed, as they're wheeling me out, I look down on my stitches, pop open, my spleen sticking out of my stomach. And I have to get rushed into a fifth major surgery where they had to do what's called an open wound surgery on me. It had to leave a football size mesh on my stomach.

And I'm back in the ICU room, man. Ow. Yes. So this time I now like back then I was so delusional and so drugged out, but I was starting to actually like get to it because I was like in a recovery room. So I knew where I was kind of when I woke up, I didn't know exactly. I was in the ICU room, but I knew I was like, okay, shit happened. And I had, this was the scary part. I had my hands.

and my feet tied to the bed because I could, had the strength to now kind of move around and they didn't want me touching my wound and a breathing tube in my mouth. So for two days I was awake, but they didn't technically know I was awake and I had to sit there for two days and listen, man, like that's where honestly it was actually a big life changing moment for me. I feel like I was at rock bottom at this point. I want to talk about rock bottom because a lot of us will face that.

type of rock bottom. Not where I was at, but like a lot of us will face a rock bottom moment in our life. And I literally remember looking at the ceiling and I was just praying. I said, listen, you can take me now. I'm done. I fought as hard as I could, or I'm in the lowest point of my life. And guess what that means? You can only go up from here. And I had this like unwavering strength just come through me, man. It was unbelievable. And as they took off the, I say my shackles, but they undid the ropes and they

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (23:06.641)
took out the brain tube that day I got up and dude, I walked further than I'd ever done previous to any of the ICU room walks or the recovery rooms. I was out of that ICU room within like three days and then was finally out to my last stage of physical therapy. So with physical therapy was learning to sit on a toilet. Everything we take for granted sitting on a toilet, getting up off of a bed, taking one step on a staircase, anything. And I up being in the hospital for 53 days. I was in ICU for 40 days.

During that period of time, Lauren and my parents never left. When I say never left, never left. Literally, they were there every second unless Lauren had to go to work. That was the only time. And she had her birthday during that time. She had Valentine's Day. Remember, we weren't even dating for a year? Yeah, dude. It was crazy. And to have that support was almost like an angel brought down for me. It meant everything to me. And I had amazing friends and family come in as well. really, here's another really cool and powerful story.

The day I was released from that hospital was March 17th of 2017, exactly one year from when I met Lauren. Coincidence? I don't think so. I know for fact that first off, that's a very special day for us now. You know, we're both Irish and things like that, but also like just a super special day. And she, you know, I guess my, my point in all of this is who is, I want people listening to this, who is that person in your life?

that you know when things get real difficult and real dark, they're going to be there for you. And you know that in a lot of the times we might take that person for granted. And I did that for a little while until I started to recognize it. And if you know who that person is, I want you to go out and just share how much you appreciate them in your life today. Not only will it make your day better, but it will make their day so much better as well. And I think that was a big lesson I learned was

appreciate the people that you know when things are getting really challenging in life, they aren't going back down. They're going to be there every step of the way. you know, my between my parents and her, that was no doubt those people. yeah, incredible. mean, incredible, incredible, incredible. It really gives me a sense of incredible honor to be here sharing time with you. You know, you've literally been on the other side.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (25:30.853)
There is so Matt, there's so many weird, weird, weird synchronicities that literally I was my big surgery. This is the retro peritoneal lymph node dissection. March 17th. Wow. Is that crazy? You kind of give me chills like that's crazy. Same shenanigans where my belly filled with fluid and it was like distended. I have this picture on my Instagram. I just posted it. It's like the staples are like, help us. They're like, they're like pulling apart.

And same thing tumor wrapped around the inferior vena cava. No way. mean, really? Yeah. Really, really insane. Very, very, very similar progression surgeries, complications. Mine is just different spread out over the next 10 years, but it's very, very similar. You know, that belly you're saying, like, I remember how my body felt that distension of fluid and the doctors continue to come in and be like, you're doing great. You're going to end. It wasn't going down.

And so what happened with mine is I was laying in bed one day and then my mom's there. And of course my mom slept in a chair for two weeks, never left. Just she's my angel for sure. And a nurse came in to check my dressing and it burnt. My belly button blew open and it started to geyser from my belly button all the way to the foot of the bed. And I was freaking out cause it's like, you know, the fluid is red because it's a drop of

You know, it's essentially lymph and lymphatics and all this swelling, this fluid that wasn't absorbing back into the intestines because they weren't awake yet. Like you, it's called third spacing. Actually, when you go through with that surgery and the fluids don't absorb it of the just digest organs. So the body's just not turned back on. And everybody's just said, let it drain. And I can tell you, I was so, I was like literally watching myself. like, I'm bleeding out. I like, I was thinking, I'm like, I'm dying.

And it was just like a four foot geyser was shooting all the way to my feet. And Matt was ours. Ours. It was out. We eventually went down to the they put a blanket over it and they wheeled me down to an MRI just to. I remember the whole sheets. My whole bed was soaked with blood. And I remember rolling by little kids like in the hallway being like, oh, he's dead. Like they were so scared. I will never forget that in my whole life. And my mom, you know, but it's so crazy.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (27:51.129)
I know exactly where you were. know exactly what it feels like to have like the belly and the tubes and the ports and the tube down your throat and you can't talk. You're just watching people coming in and out. You know, there's this really interesting story. I'd love to hear your take. I started to like dream about food for the two weeks where the tubes down your throat, you know, you're just, they're just sucking the digestive juices out. You're just getting the, you know, you're getting the IV nutrition, but I would watch people come in with coffee.

I'd be like, Oh my God, if I could have a cup of coffee again. then like, there's a Raymond, everybody loves Raymond happened to be on the TV all the time. They're always making chocolate milk and in the, in the, in the kitchen. was like, Oh my God, I want milk. Hi friends. I hope you're loving this show. Let's take a quick break to hear a word from our sponsors.

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Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (30:15.727)
And you're like, guys, I'm dying over here. So tell me what was that like to be the witness? Yes. my dude. When you said that, it brought back so many memories. I was like the most deceiving person of all the time, dude. I would, I would have my, cause I was for 53 days, I couldn't drink anything. It was all liquid babies. So it was terrible. And I would literally, when I could like talk to people and stuff, I was like,

Cause I knew a friend was coming that day cause she would tell me or Lauren's coming home from work and things that Warren knew I couldn't get any liquid in me, but my friends did it, dude. would get, I'm on the phone with my mom. really want to call my friends today. Like I know he's coming in, but can I talk to him? Get on the phone and I'm like, Joey, what's going on, man? He's like, Hey dude, you're talking to me. I'm like, yeah, man. Like my mom's holding the thing. And I'm like, Hey dude. And I would like whisper in the phone, like thinking my parents on him. Can you bring me a.

glass of orange juice when you get here? Of course, man. No problem, dude. I would do it to everyone with nurses when new nurses would come in, anything. I'd be like, hey guys, you know, I know, I know I probably I wouldn't even say I shouldn't have it. But I'm like, hey, guys, like I knew if it was a new nurse, like, can you can you me just like a small thing of orange juice? I was fixing an orange juice and water and you those two because I was like, whatever I want to do. That's the same way, man. I was like convincing people. And one time

A nurse actually did give it to me and I puked it up everywhere and my dad was pissed. He was like, what are you doing? But trust me, man, that is probably one of the most mentally challenging things to do when you're in it. unless I was completely drugged up, which for half of it I was, I didn't even know what the hell was going on. But the other half when I was like to it and I couldn't do anything about it and you had, you might've had it this way too where they had to put sponges in your mouth and shit like with her water and moisture.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. And they've had a bit, they shot stuff up my nose because that was the way of getting, I like this big long tube in my nose and they would put this nasty stuff in there to give me the things. And dude, I had things in places you don't want to know. like, you know what it's like. I know, know, know the tubes. have a tube coming in and out of every hole in your body for somebody who's never been in a long-term, um, care facility like that. You know, I,

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (32:34.326)
I'll share one more story and then I want to get on to, I want to get on to some recovery, some recovery hacks that you did, you know, like you, I would crave liquids and the tube that goes down your nose into your stomach for people who are listening, it's called an NG tube. And what the NG tube is essentially doing, it's, it's sucking the stomach acid out because your bowels are asleep. So you can't have the stomach acid collecting in your body, you know, adding to the inflammation, you've got to get it out. So I had figured out, I was like,

Well, the NG is tube sucking out like the stomach acid. Well, then it's just, if I can't drink, I'm just going to drink it and the NG tube will suck it back out. So somebody left my room. I'm like, there was a power aid, a blue power aid on the table. I'm like, I was like, push that over here. I'm like, I just want to taste it on my lips. I just want to taste it on my lips. And so, dude, I went nuts. I drank the whole thing and like, there's a bucket on the wall. It's, is really gross. It's connect collecting all the stomach acid and it was blue.

And my doctor walked in and he flipped out. He was like, you will be in here two more weeks. If you ever do that again, he's like, you're going to kill yourself. But I, I had no control. was just like, I just need to feel the taste of moisture on my lips or I'm going to go insane. Totally. I know it dude. my gosh. This is so crazy how similar like

certain experiences and timelines for us. It's just absolutely wild. Well, you're sore. mean, listen, I, it's absolutely incredible what you went through and what your body came back from. I want to hear what you started to do that was different from before, cause you were in great physical shape. So was I. was most ripped I've ever been in my life when I got cancer, but I want to know what you did to, to really rebuild your body above and beyond, you know, what was offered to you because standard PT

Like you said, it's sitting on a toilet. stepping up on a step. It's not building the body back to this, you know, optimal state or an idea that you held before. So what did that look like for you? Exactly. You know, you're hitting it on the head. The most challenging parts was finally released from that hospital. I was now 110 pounds ready. So I lost all that weight. And you know what it's like when you don't get any, any food in you, you don't get any liquid, like you lose weight real quick.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (34:44.676)
And for me, I went from that 200 pounds to draining all that fluid to not eating or anything. was a hundred times. I was skin and bone. I was a skeleton eight months, dude. I went from the most fit I'd ever been in my entire life. Just like you were saying to now a skeleton and not only was that physically draining, it was mentally draining. Man, you look at yourself and you're like, Holy shit. Like I got a whole entire journey ahead of me. And you want to the most challenging part for me was when I was out of that hospital.

I didn't have the nurses and doctors every day walking in and saying, all right, Matt, it's time to get up. It's time to go for that walk. It's time to do this. You know, my parents and Lauren were a little more lenient at times. Lauren was actually pushing me probably more and I hated it, but I needed it. And dude, for about a week and a half, I'll tell you right now, I fell into that excuse mode again, man. And you know what ended up happening to me? Um, I didn't take care of my body. And about a week and a half after that hospital, I got rushed back into the emergency room because I had a standing heart rate of 150 beats a minute.

My blood pressure was through the roof. My temperature is at 104 degrees because my body was starting to shut down again because I wasn't taking care of myself. And I was there for about two, about four days. They got it under control. I get home and this is the most probably life-changing experience I had throughout this journey. I sit down with Lauren and basically our discussion came to listen, Matt, if you are continue on this path, you will not be here next month.

period. And it was not a mean conversation. It was one I need to hear. I bawled my eyes out for about an hour and then I took a 180 man. And here's exactly what I did. I literally went into my, you know, where I was at in my house in the basement, my parents have a little gym down there, picked up a five pound dumbbell that day and I did a fricking bicep curl. I did it for like 15 minutes. It's all I could do. It's all I could do. You know, I did the next day, I the exact same thing.

And then maybe instead of walking 25 meters, I walked 40 meters that day. And dude, it is one day at a time, brick by brick, figuring out where you need to go by adding certain things to your lifestyle. So for me, it was eating a little healthier, getting up and moving and getting strength in me by doing my weight training. And slowly but surely started to gain the weight back. I started to get a little bit healthier. I started to be able to walk a little bit further within two months, man.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (37:07.172)
I was now 130 pounds within four months. I 145 pounds. Um, and I was gaining this weight and not just, you know, not just gaining the weight, I was gaining my strength. I was gaining my mindset back too, because I had to make that shift in my mind. So I think anything, anytime you are trying to make a drastic change in your life, it starts up here and in here, your heart and in your mindset. And if you're not mentally prepared to embark on this journey,

Anytime a setback occurs, you're just going to fall right back into that same terrible habit. As a personal trainer man, you know what? I've seen so many people are so dedicated for two, three, four months. One thing happens. One thing done derails them for the next six months. And then they asked me, well, Matt, I was working out for three months. I'm like, yeah, that's awesome. But then you took six months off and you want to know why it's because you weren't mentally prepared. You need to be prepared when setbacks happen that you learn from them.

and you continue to push forward. It's okay to take a couple of days off, but it ain't okay to take months and weeks and months off. So I just was consistent, man. Consistency is key, dude. Consistency, never giving up. Just keep pushing forward. And I guess there's a cool thing that I learned from one of my mentors is your will to win can never be bought. Don't ever let your will to win be for sale. And what that means is people have a price.

if it, you know, a certain setback or a certain amount of money or a certain X, Y, Z, and they're ready to give in, don't ever let your will be for sale. Your will to win be for sale. Continue to push forward and continue to be a better version of yourself. And that's what I did, man. And here's a really another cool story. You want to hear a cool coincidence? Get to the hospital. Uh, about six months later, I'm now like, um, I'm cool. I'm like 145, 150. I don't even 150 at that time. Like 145. And I'm, I've seen, I see my oncologist. I'm now like,

six months cancer free and I'm all pumped. like, I'm going to see my ICU nurses because I want to show them I'm doing great because every single one of them knew me. I get there. Very first person I see was the guy who saved my life when I went into cardiac arrest, the first responder. We start hugging, we start crying and he comes up to me and he goes, Matt, I'm not even supposed to be here today. This is my last day in the ICU. They had to put me in because somebody got sick and I'm moving to a different hospital.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (39:27.118)
tomorrow. We are still in touch. We're still friends. have our numbers, social media. Listen, man, like there's no, I had no explanation for that kind of stuff. So it was just a really cool experience. Remember how I told you I had a wound on my stomach. That was a massive challenge as well. So the biggest thing is when they did that wound, I don't know about your stomach, but they had to actually take out all of my abdominals. So don't have, I have a massive lump on my stomach and that made it really challenging to do certain activities. So

It first took an entire year for me to heal my wound, but I figured out which exercises I could do, which exercises might take me a little while and which exercises I just say, hey, listen, I probably just shouldn't do it. But you want to know the biggest thing is I never put a limitation on myself. I never was going to be stupid and just go out and do crazy things to hurt myself. But I'm not going to give myself limitations because the second you give yourself limitations is the second that you have this weakness in your life. And when another thing comes up and you don't even give it a shot.

when it could have been a breakthrough in your life. That's what happens. So don't ever put limitations on yourself when it comes to progressing in certain areas. So I'll tell you right now, man, that first year was crazy challenging because it was me and I had one physical therapy for three months a week. That was it. Just one nurse would come in one time a week for three months. And I had nurses for about six months changing my wound back. Cause I had to change it every couple of days. So after that year, ma'am,

I was gaining my strength back, it took me another year to really emotionally control myself through the cancer because I had a lot of anxiety, a lot of PTSD and a lot of self doubt in my life. And I had to really work through it. And you want to know what helped me? It wasn't actually going through cancer groups. It wasn't going through support groups. It was surrounding myself with entrepreneurs. Here's why I know it sounds weird, but what an entrepreneur does is they take a massive problem, they solve it.

and they use it to impact other people. And I said, listen, I don't fricking know what I want to do with my life. In the second, I started sharing my story, getting myself out there, being around positivity all the time. Support groups are amazing, but there's also a lot of really difficult times in there. And I wasn't ready for that yet to just constantly be seeing people going through this and that and this and that. I needed to be around people who are really uplifting, really positive and still helping others. And I knew that was like part of my journey. So as I started sharing it, they're like, you need to get your story out.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (41:50.852)
ASAP. And it took a while, took about two years, man, for me to get the courage to even share my story. And eventually I did. Eventually, I started getting in front of people started helping others. And that's what really ultimately led me to, you know, in 2019, I started speaking, I started getting on stages, and then obviously COVID hit. So I started doing zoom, and I started getting a lot more podcasts and doing some virtual stuff. And then that led me to saying, Listen, I need to monetize this. And I started to

say, okay, well, what was the biggest challenge in my journey? And exactly what we started off with figuring out what that next path is after life. And I started to actually one on one mentor, excuse me, sorry, survivors and really just survivors at the time, because I knew that some patients just weren't ready for that yet. So I was just really targeting survivors. And then I was actually charging them because I was just part of my coaching program that I want to do. And I just didn't feel right. I just was like, even though I was making an impact in every one of their lives, every one of their lives, I was making a huge impact. But for me,

As a faith-based person, was praying a lot and God just said, this isn't exactly the path I want you in. You're not doing anything wrong, but this isn't the right path. I know you want to make a massive everlasting impact in this world and it's just not this route. And that's what led me to my Facebook group. And from there, man, it's just been my biggest thing. The reason I'm getting a podcast is because I need to get exposure. And my biggest goal is I want to make some day like a massive collaboration, whether it's a celebrity, whether it's a big organization, a big brand name.

and figure out how to take this community to the stratosphere, change the direction of the cancer culture for after cancer for survivorship. And, you know, my group has patients, it has survivors and it has caregivers because I think everybody needs each other at this point. But, you know, yeah, that's just been my main goal and that's been my journey so far. That's amazing, man. I mean, I'm really excited, like I said, when we talked a little bit before, I'm excited to collaborate.

A few things. mean, I think you encapsulated this a little bit, but really specifically, you know, when you talk about driving your energy forward, staying on course, not allowing to things to pull you off track. For me, the strongest driver has been a really clear why, why I'm doing it, you know, is it in there and it's evolving. It's never been stagnant for me and I'm always trying to go and re-examine what am I, you know, what am I doing? I don't, I really try to.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (44:11.33)
take a look back at the last 15 years, 12 years, and I can see where there's times where a lot of it, some of it was driven by ego. There's dangers in racing that savior complex. Like I'm gonna help everybody, I'm gonna save, or I'm gonna spare a person pain. And for me, that's evolved and just by levels of awareness, I don't wanna be a savior to anyone. I don't want to rob them of the most valuable thing in their life, which could be that.

total rock bottom moment, which they need. You know, I do think as guide or a role model, how we show up can be really, I look at it like showing up as a lighthouse. Like I'm over here, I'm speaking my truth. This is what works for me. This has been amazing for cancer and scar tissue and energy. And I'm just going to speak that. And I hope people, I hope people hear the message and are drawn to, like you said, take some action around the clarity of the message that I'm delivering.

So I'd love to hear your why, what keeps you from falling off track and keeping an eye on that due North? Absolutely, man. I think your why is so important. And as you just said, it's changing. It's never just the exact same thing. You know, as you progress in your journey, you know, you might actually reach your why at some point and you might actually build a progressive and make it even bigger. Your dreams get bigger and bigger and bigger and they escalate. But for me, my biggest why right now,

is when I took cancer off of me and I focused on others and to see, to feel the pain that some of these people are going through is the exact thing that pushes me forward every day because I know I truly can feel some of the pain in this group for people. And when I can actually feel that it's like this energy. I love how you put energy. Energy is massive. It's this energy that comes through me that no matter how difficult times are,

and how uncertain my path is. think a lot of people let go and they don't go forward just because they don't know they don't have the clarity and they don't know exactly where and that's why your why is so important. It pushes me past those uncertain points and that is where all my breakthroughs come in. The second you're willing to face the unknown is the second a massive opportunity or breakthrough is going to come in your life and that's why I use my energy and my emotional connection with others that are in similar situations as me to help them push forward. And I'll tell you one of my

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (46:32.1)
actual biggest goal is here is to build a foundation at some point in my life where I can financially help these families whose young adults have been impacted by cancer. That is my ultimate goal. And I know right now this is part of that journey because I'm getting in the community, I'm helping others. And I know that for a reason is because I was lucky enough to be blessed financially, but I know the burden that it can take on certain people and

I don't want that to be a burden when your main focus should be on health and you have these insurance companies and all these people, you're broke after these crazy experiences because of all these surgeries and unexpected a doctor's visits. And I don't want that for people. And I want to help them through that. So those are my two biggest whys. And I actually get emotional sometimes when I think about that because

You know, know, I think you know when you find your wife, you either get really emotional, you get goosebumps or you just have this burning energy inside of you that listen, I don't give a shit what it takes, but I'm breaking through that wall to get to where I need to go. And that's, that's funny. Yeah. I think that's a great way to describe it. It's like the, there's this feeling where the energy is just channeling through you. It's pretty much an unlimited cup that it's not about having any, anything you need to draw from for the day. It's just going, going, going, going, going.

that's super, super, yeah, resonant with me and I feel in the same place. Matt, wonder, do you, don't know if you ever think about this, you know, I look at the world after being, really in the last two years, really studying energy, energy healing, magnetic fields, and there's a lot of quantum physics involved in that, quantum entanglement. You know, the idea that we talk about everything, every religious experience has a,

a story around oneness and coming back to one. physics has a story around oneness, like the fabric of the universe. And I think about stories when you said your puppy, you know, that your puppy went through this very similar experience, but puppies are soulmates. You know, they look at you with this unconditional love. Do you ever think about that or the meaning behind that? You're one of the most important lovable things in your life, having cancer. And then you're launched into this very same experience.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (48:45.611)
Is that, you have a hit and intuitive hit around anything that could be there? You know, I really think like between like karma and between like things that you feel super closely related to. I really do feel that there is an energy force and an emotional connection. know, for me, I really think that with cancer and things like that, mental health and energy has an actual correlation with it. If you, before I met Lauren was at one of the most stressful points in my entire life.

And then next thing you know, a couple of months later I'm diagnosed with cancer. I don't think that it was just randomly cancer. think that certain things like in your body and how you react to things in your energy and your, your stress levels really does matter. Um, but to kind of go to the point with, you know, Duke and everything, you know, man, it's a tough question. I think there is some type of like connection with it, like energy wise for sure. Like with me and Lauren, all these dates and everything, I don't, I don't look at these as coincidence. I look at it as a lot of like faith and

You know, this, universe of just really putting this bond between people, you know, I've had dreams of like seeing my dog again and things like that. And it's been pretty wild, like emotional change where I'd wake up like crying and it's just weird. But yeah, man, that's pretty much what I can kind of express on it. But I do think there is an emotional and mental connection to it. I always come back to so many great scientists, thought leaders and in their

They always look at this idea that cancer is an undigested emotion that the body had placed somewhere. And there's a, think the book is called cured. It's a, and I've referenced it before. It's a doctor who actually went out to disprove radical remissions of like stage four cancers all over the world. And he saw this very similarity with people bringing awareness to the initial wound or the initial trauma and that they would have these incredible reoccurrences with the, with the emotions that

set them into the disease state. What have you done that's different to manage your, the emotional body you said is as men that your experience was that you didn't want to express vulnerability that outward show of emotions. How have you changed that for yourself post cancer? Two big things. Number one, like you said, letting go. But when you, when you're ready to let go, it's not like what we're doing right now. You don't just come out of pockets and just start sharing your stuff. Like I could have never done this three years ago. No way. And so it's like,

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (51:06.572)
Like what I was telling you before, start with the one person that you know you can trust in your life. Just start with one person. The person you feel comfortable with that you know will at least sit down and listen to you. Either that person or a person that you feel can relate. One of those two people. That's why we created this group because a lot of people feel like they can't open up to their spouses because they can't relate. Other people, they feel like, I was able to open up to a person that...

really will sit down and listen. They may not know the exact emotional journey I've been on, but they lived on the other side. Like Lauren, for example, she was there every day. She stayed with me during chemo. She stayed with me during the hospital. So she had a different experience, but we had that energy and emotional connection together. And when I was able to open that up to her, it helped so much. And that's what allowed me to feel more freely to open up to others. And the second thing was you need to

surround yourself with the right people. Your net worth is your network. Your network is your net worth. You know, you have all those things. You're the average of the five people you hang around with the most. All of these things, and I truly believe it. And when I started to really get into, dive into with entrepreneurs who are always, you know, they're positive, uplifting. Yeah, they had setbacks. would, that was the powerful thing about them is they weren't afraid to share them. not, they let their ego go. That's a big thing. When you can let your ego go.

and you can just be fully yourself and be fully authentic. That's the second that you can finally be yourself. And I think the best way of doing that is by surrounding yourself with people that are going to be on the same wavelength and the same path as you in life. Because if you're constantly around, I'll be honest, Freddie, I lost no friends during cancer and I lost all my friends that I had lost that I was super close to from high school and stuff like that.

was not from cancer is when I decided to go on a different path in my life because they were waiting for me to have the day where I could go out and drink with them every weekend, talk about our glory days in high school, know, gossip about other people. And I said, I'm not wasting my time on that. I'm done. I'm making an impact in this world and they didn't like it. And I have, don't let me run though. have incredible friends who supported me, but I've friends I've lost because of that.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (53:22.178)
That right there is the, is my best way of explaining. You need to be around people who are going to help you and uplift you. And I made new friends in the process. So that's my answer to that question. Your tribe sets your vibe. Matt, I could talk to you for hours and we should totally do a, we should totally do a Facebook live and just swap like operation stories in your someday. I need a group. I would love to do a Facebook live with you, Freddie. Seriously.

we got to do it. we didn't really even get into, you know, we didn't get into, there's so many cool things coming down the pipe for management of not only scar tissue surgeries, things that are prolonging life and cancer patients, you know, this season we're going to talk about deuterium depleted water, which has great efficacy. We always talk about

cancer having a root in metabolic dysfunction because our metabolism is going to be the driver of excess energy, which allows our immune system to function as intended. Red light therapy, hyperbaric chambers, there's so many things out there that you can do because as you guys just heard Matt's story, it's like as incredible as anything anybody's body has ever been through on planet earth. for your next, for your hundred years on the planet, it's my belief and experience.

that we do need to incorporate some of these unique technologies, right? You know, there's something to be said for, you know, one thing I've noticed in toxicity testing on my body is still the presence of cisplatin, you know, etoposide cisplatin, the chemo-based therapy 12 years later. So we can continue to work with the body from a new level of awareness, know, oncology is like this emergency situation. And then long-term wellness care, I think, is our responsibility. And that's what really

You know, that's what really I'm excited to bring to the group and offer all the stuff I research and find. And Matt, well, and you're not your level of knowledge on this stuff is incredible. Like I can already tell just by you speaking, like it would be mind blowing to a lot of people because I need to learn from it too, man. So I would love to just hop on and just pick your brain on a lot of that stuff. I'm so excited to collaborate. And this is for me that another driver of making this all real and fun and resonant in my heart is doing it with other people.

Freddie Kimmel and Matt Ode (55:37.976)
You know, often say you can have whatever you're going to bring in to make yourself feel better. It's lonely in your room alone. You want to do it with friends and that's why your group is so great and the community you're building is so, so important. Matt, I have one more question to ask you. The beautifully broken podcast. What does it mean to you to be beautifully broken? beautifully broken to me means that it allows me to have

new gratitude and perspective towards anything I go towards in life. really truly have. I really truly have learned to eliminate a lot of the little things we usually stress over. And it allows me to focus, put all my time and energy onto the people and the experiences that I want in my life. And I think that's what Beautifully Broken really allows you to do. It allows you to look at life in a new lens and have this beautiful picture of what

You know, your life and the people you really care about around you can accomplish. So beautiful. got one more for you because you're such a good speaker. Go back and the mat that is in the hospital bed where your hands are tied down to the sides, you've got the mesh over your spleen that popped out. Go back and give yourself, what would you say to that mat in that situation where you're really, really struggling? You can go back and have a message and a little lesson to yourself. Now your setback is your setup.

to something so much greater in your life. And just know that this rock bottom situation is setting you up for something you could never imagine. It's something you dreamed of as maybe when you were a kid or things like that. But just know that God has a massive, massive purpose for you. And one day you will look back and you will have this new appreciation and drive because of this challenging moment. So just remember this setback is actually a setup. Beautiful, Matt.

perfect spot to end. you for being a guest on the beautifully broken podcast. Totally groundbreaking. Namaste.

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