Pete Evans: The Paleo Way and Cooking with Love

Pete Evans is an internationally renowned chef, restaurateur, author and television presenter. His passion for food and living a healthy lifestyle inspires individuals and families around the world.

His recent project is the award-winning documentary film The Magic Pill, which shows the impact food can have on people’s health, now streaming globally on Netflix.

Pete has also been co-host and judge of Australia’s number one television show My Kitchen Rules for nine seasons. He has hosted and produced two seasons of The Paleo Way, which sees Pete creating delicious non-inflammatory dishes (a man after my own heart)…AND he also hosts the award-winning PBS series Moveable Feast.

Episode Highlights

• 1:08 - Introduction to Pete
• 3:32 - How Pete's journey started
• 10:05 - The pillars of healthy eating
• 16:00 - How diet connects us to the cycle of life
• 18:51 - Our greatest fear is our potential.
• 20:58 - What role can food play in my healing?
• 26:59 - The magic that happens when you feel fantastic - and how to feel that way.
• 31:00 - We are our own healers.
• 32:55 - How does biohacking fit into our health journey?
• 40:56 - What does it mean to be beautifully broken?
• 46:21 - Pete's next documentary

Connect with Pete:

• Visit his website - https://peteevans.com/
• Learn about The Paleo Way - https://peteevans.com/initiatives/the-paleo-way/
• Like on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/paleochefpeteevans
• Follow on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chefpeteevans/

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (00:00.098)
not saying that if you change your diet that you're going to improve all aspects of your life because it doesn't happen that way. But it's definitely a doorway to self-love because once you commit to that, then you may have the energy or the inclination to dig a little bit deeper. How do you want to interact with the world? I'm a firm believer that we don't have a purpose other than just to be and to be ourselves and express ourselves. And that is different for every single human being that's on the planet. We don't need to change the planet.

We just need to change ourselves and the rest will flow.

Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast brought to you by AmpCoil. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show, we discuss the common thread survivors share after walking through the fire, the practitioners making a difference, and the treatment modalities that deliver healing back into the hands of the people who need it most. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (01:09.357)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. Today, our guest is Pete Evans, who is an internationally renowned chef, restaurant tour author and television presenter, his passion for food and living a healthy lifestyle inspires individuals and families around the world. Now his recent project is the award winning documentary, The Magic Pill, which shows the impact.

food can have on people's health and it's now on Netflix. You've got to check that out if you haven't seen it. Now Pete has also been co-host and judge of Australia's number one television show, My Kitchen Rules for nine seasons. And he has hosted and produced two seasons of The Paleo Way, which sees Pete creating non-inflammatory dishes. my God, a man after my own heart. And he also hosts an award-winning PBS series, Movable Feast. Pete Evan, welcome to the show.

Hey, how are you? Hey, I got to ask you right off the bat. Where do you find the time to put together all those projects? They sort of just, you know, pretty, just manifest your reality of what you want to do and off you go. So you do. We, we, we We're masters of creation of our own destiny. So I do the things that I love to do. And I mean, it sounds like a lot of, a lot of stuff when you say it.

in that introduction, but to me, it's just day to day living and doing the things that I really, really enjoy doing, which is learning, which is sharing, which is teaching, which is learning more, realizing I don't know anything. And then going back and trying to understand more about it. then sharing that information. then it's that circle and cycle of life of, of, being curious and, and doing the things that. That resonate with you.

You know, and what resonates with me is very different than what resonates with other people. And that's what makes this a wonderful world. all have that intelligence to create and imagine the life that we wish to explore. there's no rules. There's no rules, even though a lot of people seem to want to put rules onto us. So we, course, you know, I'm, I'm definitely one for not conforming to

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (03:31.173)
mainstream rules Hmm. Yes. Yes, I've heard that we're definitely gonna get into that. So so I want to I want to just jump in here So you've started you you were you were put on this path this quest for elite food foods that Make the body strong foods that heal this better way of living How did this pain to power scenario start? Like what was the impetus? What was the was there a day? Was there a moment in your life? You're like, I know things could get better. I know things could be better. What was it?

No, I think we all have that inkling in us and that understanding that, you know, perhaps the path that we're on at the moment may not be the wisest for us. Sometimes we don't know which paths to take. Sometimes we just go with the flow and sometimes they're actually dictated for us. And other times we have to find them out ourselves. And I guess there wasn't one particular point in time that it was like I had the aha moment.

I'm still having the aha moment each and every day. So I always say it's been a lifelong journey of discovery and it still is. know, the moment you think you've got it worked out, watch out. I know. Something will come along and go, really? You think you've got it worked out, do you? Well, let's see how well you've got it all worked out then. Yeah, the universe usually laughs when you tell it what your plans are. Yeah.

We're quite lucky in Australia. We've got these, these beautiful native birds called kookaburras. And if you've ever heard a kookaburra laugh, it's, it's, it's pretty wild. It's, it's, it's, it is wild. They're wild birds and they, they call it kookaburra laughing and I hear them a lot. And I generally hear them when I'm having some pretty deep thoughts of my own about how, about which path to take about.

what I want to do about my perception of this world that we live in. And as soon as I'm getting deep and dark and down with it, all of a sudden the cook of our will go, we'll do it's last. I'm like, yeah, fuck. Okay. Yeah. It sort of brings you back to baseline. Well, it's like, what are you trying to figure out, mate? Really? What are you trying to figure out how to live, how to make the world a better place? You think you're capable of that? You know,

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (05:56.435)
What is that? that your ego? Is it dig a little deeper? What is it that you actually want to do? For me, I just want to be, be a human, understand, connect, love, let go, surrender, grow, decay, all that, everything that comes from that, know, embrace it all, embrace the dark, embrace the light, deal with the frustrations that do pop up and,

and

So yeah, so to answer your question, not really one pivotal moment, but lots of different ones that have accumulated to where we are now. So, um, but definitely the, the food path has been, uh, probably one of the most eye-opening ones for me. Uh, my wife was reading a book by Norika Goudis called Primal Body Primal Mind about eight years ago. And, uh, you said it was a fantastic, fantastic read. And maybe I'd like to read it because she knew I was interested in health and nutrition.

And I read that it made so much sense. And I guess the rest of my food journey is has the last eight years have been focused on those principles, which seemed to be working for me and a hell of a lot of other people. but prior to that, I'd been cooking professionally for nearly 25 years. So at that cornerstone of my foundation was real food, delicious food. And now I've been able to join those dots from being a chef with

I guess, nutrient-dense foods and what it means to cook an anti-inflammatory meal for myself and my family and sharing those recipes with many others and interviewing the people, the doctors, the scientists, the researchers, the naturopaths, the dieticians, the people, the athletes, the public, the people that are getting long-term sustainable results from eating this way.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (08:16.242)
You know, for me, there's enough evidence from my own N equals one approach that this style of eating works for me. So, and from the thousands and thousands of people who I've shared stories from, it works for them as well. Whereas it seems like the funny thing is changing a diet seems to be the last resort for so many people. And it's why wouldn't it be.

What are the first tools we use as prevention? And we're all on our separate journeys. You know, I didn't know this 20 years ago. didn't know it 30 years ago. And I'm constantly evolving and understanding more about how it all works. And for anyone that's, this might be new that you've never heard this term before, anti-inflammatory approach, then you know, this may work for you. You know, there's no guarantees because true health is multifaceted.

It comes down to our belief systems, our core belief systems, comes down to our programming of how we view the world, how we see it, how we participate in this dance of life. You know, the most basic and common sense aspects of what it means to be alive. It comes down to how do we sleep, comes down to how do we move, it comes down to how do we interact with ourselves and with others? How do we...

interact with the data or the food that and the beverages that we put into our system. How do we deal with these modern day technologies that may be causing us some imbalances? How do we deal with these new ways of living as a human being that are very, very new to us where we generally as a society sit around and look at a screen now? Yeah, we've truly designed this new

paradigm for ourselves and I think we're all trying to find our footing in some way or another. Primal body, primal mind was my way in. Oh really? It was the book. I read Nora's book and right away I bought four copies. I gave it to my dad, gave it to my mom, gave it to everybody. You guys gotta read this book. This is amazing. This is amazing. Can you go in for the audience who might not know just maybe some of your core beliefs around...

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (10:36.628)
Were the pillars of what you consider to be a healthy diet, healthy food paradigm, however you want to phrase it. Yeah, we summed it up in the film, the magic pill, as you said, it's on Amazon, it's on iTunes. The crux of it, the real message of it is, and I have to owe this to Tim Trudgen, who is one of the founders of Hope for Health, which is the charity that we support up in Arnhem Land for the indigenous of Australia. And we have a

The thing at the end of the film when the credits are rolling, if you want to donate, if you want to help, then please donate to this charity. But Tim summed it up perfectly. He said, basically, it's about eating meat and vegetables. That's what the film was about. And I've said it more on podcasts. said, I feel that very strange for me to even make a film with that as the premise that it seems so such common sense. But in 2018,

were no films out there that actually promote that way of eating. There seems to be a lot of films out there that promote a very different way of eating, which may be causing people long-term sustainable health problems. So I felt compelled to be able to put a different narrative out there that really is about that if we're human beings and the definition of the human being is an omnivore and the definition of an omnivore is that we are diet

should consist of animal and plant based material, then let's actually explore that. What does that mean? So that's why we film with the indigenous. That's why we talk about evolutionary history. It's why we talk about the food charts or the healthy eating paradigms that are in our curriculum, in our schools, in our hospitals, in the Western world where they aren't based on science.

aren't based on actual facts on how to eat a non-inflammatory way. If you were to choose to eat that way, there is a very high chance that you will suffer disease if you eat as our authorities promote. And that's a challenging concept for so many people because they put their faith into mainstream. They put their faith into the authoritative organizations and figures.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (13:01.762)
They want to put their trust into someone else to take accountability for their own actions. So I'm a firm believer that we need to take responsibility. need to take accountability for every single part of our lives. And that includes what we put into our mouths. So I come at it from a very basic human approach. Humans equals omnivores equals animals and plants into our system. Fucking simple.

Yeah. Simple, simple, simple. It's so simple. It is so simple. You know, you can then dissect that into, okay, well, if we're going to read animals, what's the best source of animal protein and fats for us? And I would say the ones that have been unadulterated through, through our modern tampering, you know, and at the moment that would be wild game. would be wild seafood and hopefully we can get sustainable long-term.

fisheries and ways of doing that. And if not, then the next best thing I see is pasture raised herbivores, such as cattle and sheep and goat, for instance. That to me seems like the purest form of food on the planet, except for indigenous native foods that have been non-hybridized. I've got some native

trees growing in my backyard here and we picked the fruits off there. And if you were to give them those fruits to people that think they understand what fruits are, these are non-sweet fruits. They're called lily pillies or ryeberries and they're very high vitamin C and they're quite sour. So if we dig a little bit deeper, we can look at the plant world and see exactly what is actually the most

intact forms of products or ingredients that we have that haven't been tampered with by human ingenuity. And then I would say local, organic, seasonal, at the very least, and then possibly native, indigenous that haven't been tampered with. And if you can basically mimic that and put that onto your plate at every meal,

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (15:24.012)
think you've got your nutrition bases covered. Some people obviously need to tweak it. We have bio-individuality and some people can have problems with garlic, instance, or leek or onions or nuts or nightshades. You have to work it out. But I think if you bring it back to a very basic template of animals in their natural habitat and fruits and vegetables and plants in their natural habitat,

I don't think he can go too wrong. And I think it's as simple as that and then tailor it to your taste buds and resources and availability and budget. Yeah, I love it. I really believe in that tail to snout. you know, I usually have a bone broth growing, weekly. There's usually a cup in the morning and that's just part of life. And I've probably done that for, you know, two years. It's just part of the, it's part of the jam and it's just, you know, I try to access every part of the animal is like you were saying there's

There's a ways to look at it. It's like, what's healthy? Well, what's healthy for you? What's healthy for the planet, for the community, and just the idea that you can take every part of that animal and turn it into nourishing energy for you. So you go forward and it's like that perfect cycle of life is perpetuated through that behavior. And I think we, as humans try to, complicate things so much. really do. We really do. know, even with recipes that I've shared and you know,

It's, it's like, about kin war? What about this? What about that? I'm like, oh, you can include it if you like, you know, it tastes pretty crap, but even with the, with the vegan vegetarian movement and that's cool. I've, I've experimented with that for many years, like 25 and it didn't work for me, you know, and it works for some people, but again, are we, are we complicating ourselves and, and detaching ourselves from what it means to be human in the cycle of life?

You know, are we getting too caught in our egos about what's right and what's wrong and what's good and what's bad instead of really just surrendering to who we are and where we've come from and what is really going to support us moving forward as a species. You know, think a lot of people can, can go forth on a vegetarian vegan diet and some people can thrive on it and survive quite well.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (17:48.997)
But what are the thoughts about the coming generation? You know, is that, has that been taken into consideration? And I think it's really important that people ask themselves that question. my dog wanted to shout that out too. She's like, get into the conversation. Yeah. Just, just really look at what it means to human being. And you will find all the answers. We all have, I have the belief that we have our extreme intelligence.

in us and we have all the answers to all our questions. don't need to find guru. We don't need to find a therapist. We don't need to find anybody. The only person we really need to find is ourselves. And if we sit with ourselves and actually have a, have a deep dive as often as we can into ourselves and ask ourselves the questions, who am I? What am I? How could I be?

bringing myself back into balance a little bit more or a lot. The answers are there, you know the answers. Yeah. You know, it's, funny that you bring that up because this is a common theme and it's come up with a few guests that that is a lost skill. Where do I go for the answers? Do I, know, you go to a teacher or you go to a book or you go to web and or a podcast, but we never stop and ask like, wait a minute, you can almost put your hand on your heart and like, what do I really want right now in this moment?

And you're probably going to get a ping from your own body saying yes or no, but that's a lost skill. there's a lot of fear that's, involved in that because you, you're, you may challenge your belief systems. So you may need to change the way that, you look at the, at yourself and your participation with the planet and that can frighten the shit out of people. They really can. The old saying that,

The greatest fear is of our own potential. And I mean, I think that's why I probably cop a lot of crap and flack from certain areas of certain corners of the globe is because it's very easy to cast stones at somebody that's standing up tall rather than casting stones at yourself to see where you may wish to change. You know what I'm not saying?

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (20:14.269)
We're all perfect. We all are. We are all perfect. Exactly as we are. Do we have to change? I'm not sure. Do we want to change? I'm not sure. That's a question you need to ask yourself. And it's a question that I often ask myself. You know, if I've got a challenging situation, what does this mean to me? Is it an opportunity to grow? Why has this come around to me again? I thought I dealt with this.

So I thought I dealt with this one. I thought I moved on. Isn't it funny how those patterns repeat? huh. And it takes a bit of courage to analyze those things and to dig a little deep. You know, for this audience, know, we have a lot of people listening that are cancer survivors and survivors of Lyme disease, chronic illness, or going through that process right now. And

There's so many different theories on there, especially when you get into this under the microscope of, you know, how is food going to heal me? Because that becomes a very complicated conversation. You know, when you're dealing with a level, well, maybe it's a microbe, maybe it's a tumor, maybe it's an emotional body that you just haven't been able to let go of. What do you think the limitations are of food? I guess that's kind of a

crappy question. It's like where, what, what, what part of the puzzle does that fit in? Personally, I see food as the easiest one that we can change today. I really see that food is the food is the gateway. I the self-love. really do personally through my own perception and experience, I would say that 99 % of all, all the illnesses emotionally related.

That's, that's my perception. And people might think that's crazy. I could even say maybe a hundred percent, but let's leave a little, little room in there for that. Let's give them a percent. So I believe that everything is to do with our core belief patterns and belief systems that we have. And disease will flow from that. Now you can look at that in a way that why

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (22:40.135)
Would we go and poison ourselves with certain foods? Why would we go and poison ourselves with certain beverages? Why would we poison ourselves with certain medications? Why would we poison ourselves with certain approaches to life? And I'll bring that back to self-love. And I think we, so many of us live in fear and craving that self-love and acceptance and surrender to ourselves.

And generally what I say to people is are you, you have a choice every single day you make choices. Tommy, you're to go to bed. Who are you going to spend time with? What are you going to do through this day? How are you going to communicate with yourself and to others? What are you going to eat? What are you going to drink? You're to go outside and experience nature. You're going to get some of that sun onto your skin.

you're going to spend a little bit of time to yourself doing something that you love. You're to spend a lot of time doing something that you love. And we, I don't know whether, how many people actually think about those choices consciously and aware of how powerful each of those questions are really, like really deeply. And

I see food as the easiest one for us to change. And even just that shift in, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to change my diet. I'm to give this paleo thing a red hot guy for the next six months. I'm to do it a hundred percent. And then you'll have, as the universe always does, once you make that decision, generally it will test you and you'll have friends, you'll have family, you'll read.

articles in a paper where they're saying the exact opposite, that are you crazy? Don't do that. That's got a crazy person as their spokesperson. All of these challenges will come up to test your conviction in every aspect of your life. You know, as we were talking about before, you think you dealt with something. Are you committed to this? Let's just see how committed you are. And I always see food as the easiest one. But anytime anybody has spoken to me and said that they made the decision to change,

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (25:08.02)
They've said their husband was against them, their wife was against them, their brother or their sister or their work colleagues or their kids or their parents or society. They really challenged them. And then it's up to that person whether they want to actually, you know, do it or not. Then there's always the excuse generally of, well, I'm Italian by heritage. I couldn't possibly give up that. Or I'm French and you know, I have to eat that. Or I'm Indian and this is how I was brought up. Or I'm

this religion or on that. And I always bring it back and go, you're a human being. You are a human being. Take away those labels. Take away those identities that you've adopted, whether it's religious, whether it's cultural, where you come from, because we come from the planet. We come from this, this is long history of evolution of our species. Do you think 200,000 years ago, 500,000 years ago, anybody cared about what

bitch and what political party you followed, what any of that does any of that matter on the big scheme of things possibly, but how can that influence your position of being a human being an omnivore and what you're going to put into your mouth and why should it, why should it matter to anybody else other than yourself for you to do that experiment?

And do it in conjunction with a doctor so you can get your blood test done prior, during, after. So you can see tangible results if there are any, whether you improved certain blood markers, whether you improve certain levels of your health. And if it goes the other way, you know, sometimes when you adopt these things, you have a detox period or with things actually get elevated for the first month because you're dumping shit out of your body. Or I'd say give it six months. Yeah, no, I love that. And I love the list that you gave.

You know, what do you drink? What do you eat? What do you sleep? The joy you spend, you know, the time you spend each day, the hours investing into that thing that makes your heart sing. And just that list, I'm to go back and I'm going to write that down for everybody. Cause those are, you know, they seem simple, but if you were to wake up and you were to look at that next to your bed every morning, and that was the list you went through and you're like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. There's no way you wouldn't feel better in six months to a year. There's no, it's impossible.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (27:33.698)
It's impossible. So I just think that's so empowering. I've shared this. We've got a 10 week program that's for free. It's called the Paleo Way. It's been running for four or five years now. We've had 100,000 people do it. And guess how many people in that five years with today's way that people communicate on social media, guess how many people have said that they've done it and they haven't improved their health, that they actually got sicker. Over five years, 100,000 people. Do you have any idea of how many people have said, Hey Pete,

That was really shit. I actually got from doing it zero zero. And I'm not saying that people haven't gotten worse from, from adopting it, but you would think in this day and age where people very freely express their, their viewpoints and their experiences that at least I would have got one that would have said, you're crazy, brother. This actually, you know, I might.

diabetes went from this to this or my autoimmune went from this to this. And we're only talking about food here, even though my program talks about, have meditation in there. have different ways of looking at life as well. So it's multifaceted and everything that we've spoken about today, we basically cover that, but it's really a food based program. None, but I've shared thousands upon thousands of thousands of real life stories of people creating magic in their lives again.

And that can never be underestimated. What happens when people feel good? That's, that's the joy of doing this is the magic that happens when people are feeling fantastic. What are they going to do in the world? What are they going to change? How are they going to contribute to, to the world? You know, it could be as simple as growing their own food in their backyard. Imagine if everybody did that.

Just that one act of self-love and doing an activity outside of growing some herbs or raising some chickens or whatever it may be. What if that person now feels great and they go and volunteer at a nursing home or a children's hospital? And what if they share some recipes or philosophies that may just change another person's That to me, because I hear all these stories about people improving their own life. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, I get it.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (29:58.699)
It's not surprising. It's not miraculous anymore to me. It's, it's, it's by default, what's going to happen generally. You know, I'm not saying that if you change your diet, that you're going to improve all aspects of your life because it doesn't happen that way. But it's definitely a doorway self love because once you can change that and commit to that and you start to feel good, then you may have the energy or the inclination to, to dig a little bit deeper and think about.

How do you want to interact with the world? And I'm a firm believer that we do really note we don't have a purpose other than just to be and to be ourselves and express ourselves creatively, energetically. And that is different for every single human being that's on the planet. We don't need to change the planet. We just need to change ourselves and the rest will flow. So many people out there wanting to change it.

change yourself if you want to. That's the, you know, man, that's, well, that's, it's hard. It's, harder to look at yourself in the mirror every morning and ask that question that it may be, might be able to push and try to move that boulder up the hill or, know, we get caught up in the ego and what am I supposed to do and what am I supposed to build and what am I supposed to be? And you get lost. It's easy to get lost in that, but just you even saying that now it resonates as a New Yorker.

You know, that's just driven type a that resonates with me. I'm like, I need to put that in the journal and I need to do a, I need to do that. Yeah. But some people are driven to do great things, you know, and I'm not just diminishing that or dismissing that. think that's fantastic. If that is what you want to do. Well, that could be their state of being. So that makes sense. Exactly. You know, and there's probably a trigger for them as to why in their life.

why they're compelled to do that. You know, it be an injustice they witnessed or suffered. And for them, they need to have some sort of, I don't know, it could have impacted them deeply. Yeah, it's an interesting thing and I love watching it and I love watching it. You know, I see it on social media a lot and it's fascinating when I flick through there. Yeah, I'm like, whoa, that's an interesting.

Freddie Kimmel and Pete Evans (32:23.183)
thing that you just put up there, you know, and, and once you start to look and see the language that is used, when people are expressing themselves, you can really see what, where they need the healing for themselves. You know, it feels like they're trying to inspire others at the same time. It's really, you turn that around on yourself. Maybe there's no need to do anything else than just be you.

I don't know. I'm probably going off of the tangent here, but No, man. This is the good stuff. This is what you want to hear. It's real It's real. We've we've we've got it. We've got to take that look I want to ask you a few more questions here so you know if we look at your life if we look at the you the food you eat and the water and your Care you take with your sleep meditation you get joy in your life. You're very committed to your to your work and your projects

Does like this concept of biohacking your biology or using some, you know, methodologies to recover better or, you know, be able to work a longer day. Does anything right now fit into your paradigm? You know, infrared saunas, fasting, cold water therapy, anything like that. Yeah. All of the above. I'm, curious by nature. I really am. I love it. I love learning and I follow.

so many different ways of being and life. And I'm very, very curious about the biohacking and biohacking simply can be just changing your diet. As we just said, you know, it doesn't need to be a technological, I don't think a technological device. No, it doesn't, you know, and I'm, I'm cautious not to go too far down that rabbit hole as well, where I detach from nature to have

artificial devices that may prolong my life or may improve certain aspects of my life. Am I curious about these devices and technologies? Yeah, for sure. know, we by nature are intelligent beings and our imagination is what creates these wonderful things. mean, just the concept now that we are having this conversation, you're on one side of the

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planet, I'm on the other side of the planet or at different time zones. We're looking at each other in a screen, which is probably not right for us on a certain levels, but how wonderful it is that we can have this conversation. And this is through the imagination of some very committed people. And I love it. Yeah. But this is a tool and it can be misused. can become addicted to this and we can become addicted and misuse everything.

You know, I'm currently filming a documentary, my second one on cannabis, and it's one of the most controversial plants in the world. I see, and I see it as a very powerful tool and it can be used for greatness and be used for physical, spiritual and emotional well-being, but it can also be a tool that's misused as well, which can cause devastation to

people's lives, you know, if it's, if it's used in the wrong way. So, and I see technology as the same thing. I think it's a wonderful tool. It can connect people. It can save people's lives. can prolong people's lives through modern technology. But I also see it as a tool that can be very misused. It can be used to create hate, to, to censor people. you know,

At the moment we're seeing that censorship of free speech, when it's not aligned with mainstream philosophies or thinking, you know, we're seeing this happen, you know, and it's, it's, it's a tool that can be misused. And with the biohacking thing, whether it's an infrared, so on, I think that could possibly be misused as well. It could be a powerful tool for people. Red light therapy, you know, would I choose that over going out into the sun?

No, I wouldn't. I'd actually rather watch the sunrise and the sunset than stand in front of a red light artificial machine. Did I stand in front of the red light artificial machine yesterday? Yes, I did. And I was connected to ozone therapy at the same time. And I was there for 15 minutes because I didn't actually get it to experience. had a busy day yesterday. So I topped up, so to speak. And I had the time to do that. But you know,

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I have a hyperbaric oxygen chamber in our house that my wife's in there, you know, with both suffered head injuries over our time. we, we understand at the moment, the science says hyperbaric oxygen chambers may, the evidence is pretty clear that they can help with severe brain injuries and potentially cause, preventative measures for long-term brain health. Am I going to give that a go because I've suffered brain injuries? Yeah. Because I've studied.

the effects and the science that says this is probably a good thing to include into your weekly regime. We have that, you know, but here's the thing. If I was to use every single biohacking tool that I have currently, I wouldn't get to experience life. I wouldn't get to experience connection with my family. I wouldn't, you know, I'd become this, this addicted personality.

gotta do this, gotta do that. And you would retreat from the world. So I think like anything, people can become obsessed with food, you know, and calories and count macronutrients. You know, the whole ketogenic thing is fucking ridiculous. I just released a book to try to demystify it. And I say, I've never counted a carb in my life. I've never counted a calorie in life. If you're counting your carbs down to the

17.5 grams of carbs per day and net carbs. really stakes. That really takes you out of the state of being, doesn't it? And certain, there's certain medical conditions that people may need to follow these types of strict. Well, C's seizures and, and glioblastoma even, you know, there's certain types of cancers that respond very well, but that's a very small portion of the population. You know, what are you missing by doing that? And,

Has fear, does fear creep into your vocabulary if you have a sweet potato? What does that mean? Yeah. I judge a cooking show. You know, I'm a paleo advocate, keto, low carb, nearly a carnivore advocate these days and anti-inflammatory. I judge a cooking show on television where I eat refined sugars, white flour, non-organic fruits and vegetables.

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factory raised animals. It's 1 % of my yearly diet. I never have fear around whenever I'm ingesting that food because it was a choice that I made consciously that I'm going to do this and I'm going to do it. I take digestive enzymes and a whole lot of stuff when I do it. mean, God bless, God bless your intestinal tract because I don't have that, but I applaud yours.

You know, again, we have the way that we can choose to live our lives and people think I'm a hypocrite because I do that. I, well, what does that mean for you? What does it being a hypocrite mean for you? I never said that I do this 100%. And even if I don't do this 100%, what does that, what, can what I do affect you? Seriously? How can it? It's just your perception of me.

And the end of the day, everyone that we meet is just a mirror for ourselves. We're all connected to the whole. So very careful when you put expectations onto other people, whether they're your gurus or your politicians or your sporting stars or your children or your parents. So many people put expectations onto the wrong target.

That's that ring so true for me, man. I know people are going to hear this interview and they're going to take a lot away from it. I just want to ask you a couple more questions just to close out, you know, the beautifully broken podcast for me, you know, it was it was this idea that that life is putting those fractured pieces back together after we fall, we pick ourselves up. What does what does it mean to you to be beautifully broken? Well, that's life, isn't it? I mean,

I said before, we don't really have a purpose. And let me rephrase that. Our one purpose is to remember who we are. That's, that to me is the ultimate remembrance of who and what we are. And I've done quite a bit of work with different plant medicines over the years. And one thing that becomes very, very clear is that in those experiences,

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We get to remember who we are and we are human spiritual beings capable of unconditional love. And we forget that as we go through this process of life, because we adopt these identities. We, our identity develops like the layers of an onion. It was the first time we've been told.

We've experienced fear from our world, whether it's from our parents or our environment, we create the barrier, which becomes our identity, our fake identity, so to speak. We start to layer ourselves until, that's why say we're so scared of our own potential because our own potential is peeling off those layers and looking deep inside ourselves and knowing that we're beings of unconditional love.

And when people are so removed from that experience, they don't know how to get back to that, or even if it exists for them, which is why there's so much judgment and jealousy and anger and frustration and blaming others, the victimhood for our situation. And that's why it has to come back to personal responsibility and accountability for who we are because

There's no one that we can blame for who we are. No one, because we have created our own identity. No one's created it for us. No one. We have created it as a coping mechanism for this world that we've grown into. So beautifully broken is to remember who we are. And I don't know whether it's putting the pieces back together or healing a more healing

our untruths away from ourselves. You can look at it however which way you like. But our default state of being is that of unconditional love and pure love energy. There is nothing else. There is nothing else. And all of this is an illusion. once you have those experiences through these journeys of self-discovery that

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plant medicines do offer us and plant medicine can be as simple as having a cup of tea. That to me is a plant medicine and my wife and I do that every single day just before this today. We sat in silence for an hour and we had six bowls of tea together. Just before this the kookaburra didn't land in front of me because I'm in Sydney at the moment but a cockatoo landed right on the power line in front of me. I'm gonna go.

go check out what cockatoo spirit animal means after this because there's something right there for me because it landed as we're having our meditation. And it'll be interesting to the cause I haven't looked up what cockatoo means and a cockatoo is a native bird to Australia. Do you have cockatoos where you are? Absolutely not. Okay. It's a, it's, it's a bit cheeky cock or two, but it's a cockatoo, but, um, so I'm going to look at into that.

But yeah, again, it's remembering who we are. And when we silence our, our dialogue, our egos, we get a glimpse of that. what that's where meditation comes in to play. People are trying to quieten their egos. They're trying to quieten the chatter, trying to quieten the identity. And for some reason there are these

amazing plants and animals that live on this planet that are a technology for us that we may wish to tap into that can accelerate that remembrance for us. And it's not for everybody. And I'm not recommending people do plant medicine, except maybe a cup of tea if you choose to, but there are more powerful ones or I wish I was saying more powerful ones. There are different ones that can accelerate that for some people. And again, it's a powerful tool.

can be misused, may not be for everyone. And, but for some, and in my instance, it was remarkably powerful for me to remember and to experience who we are. And that took me there and it was challenging. was exciting. was frightening. was beautiful. was everything because you, in some of these peak experience, you experience everything and that's what we are. Everything. We're light, we're dark, we're every

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color between and we've all experienced everything. So I think remembering that we are everything is very powerful. was so beautiful. So beautifully said, Pete. I just want to thank you so much. When can people expect your next documentary on cannabis? When it flows, when it flows. no expectations.

I don't know, all of these things that we create into this universe, I try to take the expectation out of anything. Generally my one expectation or my one intention is that if one person gets to change their life through something that we share, and it might be a positive and negative way, who knows? Then it's been worth it. So this will be out eventually when the time is right.

And in the meantime, check out the Paleo Way. It's a cooking series that's on Netflix and iTunes. It's 16 episodes there. And the Magic Pill, I think is pretty, pretty cool introduction into this world. And at the basis of it, as I said, it's eating some good quality meat and seafood and some veggies if you choose. And it's not hard. It's beautiful stuff. It's an absolute pleasure to have you on as a guest.

people are gonna just really jive with this show. just honor you for being on and thanks for doing all you're doing to move this, to move the planet forward. You're doing that and that's just you being you and I appreciate it. Yeah, and I don't have all the answers, I'll tell you that right now. I'm go search up the cockatoo now, the cockatoo. I love it. Namaste, my friend. Hey, namaste too. This episode of the Beautifully Broken podcast was brought to you by our lovely sponsor, AmpCoil.

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