The Science of Detox: Dr. Chris Shade on Advanced Nutraceuticals and Healing

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast, our long-awaited guest, Chris Shade.
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Welcome to the show here.
We are here.
We are.
Listen, I have wanted to have you on the show for a while and of course in the last two weeks I've had a really great experience with one of your products.
But the audience doesn't know you.
They don't know what you do and who you are.
So if we bump into each other in the street, what, what would you tell me you do?
1:47
I hate telling people what I do.
What do I do?
So my PhD chemist, I was originally an environmental chemist and I developed, I was testing for mercury as a toxin.
And then I applied the testing in the clinical testing.
And then I had to solve the problem of how do you get mercury out of people?
2:06
And so I developed a nutraceutical company next to the testing company to get everything out of the body without using the traditional chelators.
And to do that, I had to use this special technology to get supplements in their lipid nanoparticles technologies.
2:25
The one that people know the most are liposomes, but there's also nano emulsions, also emulsifying delivery systems.
And if you ask what I do now, we're a high tech supplement company.
So we're taking all these supplements that everybody's using out there.
2:40
They're doing the capsules, they're doing the pills, powders, they're taking them all with this religious faith that they're going to work for them.
And the needle just doesn't move that much.
And so we put them into this technology where everything just goes right into you, almost like an injection peek in your body in 20 minutes and that flush of all these different phyto compounds and vitamins and minerals in there to address some problem.
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Now you go in, you hit the triggers you need to and you really make things happen in somebody.
And that's what you had the experience of is years and years of working on this thing.
And then you take this product a couple days in, you're like, wow, everything's different.
Yeah.
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So we apply that to originally where detoxification that we got into metabolic immune, maybe starting under the longevity world, we start doing hormones, you know any new thing that comes out.
As we evolve our understanding of the biochemistry of natural medicine, we then apply that with these delivery systems and our knowledge, our biochemical knowledge of how you put all these different compounds together to hit the switches that we need.
3:53
So we're technologists and biochemists, and that's where you get Quicksilver Scientific.
Beautiful.
So my girlfriend was in your talk yesterday on NAD and she goes, who is this guy Chris Shade and she didn't know I knew you and and she goes, there's standing room in here and she goes and people are like they're into it, they're making noise.
4:12
They're like there's like a cult vibe, She said.
Why does Chris draw a cult vibe?
Why does he draw?
Well, of course it's Disney.
And they're like, what?
You know, my message is good, but I learned how to deliver that message from Disney World.
4:28
It's just like the weirdest thing.
I was an organic biodynamic farmer, like really hardcore.
And I joked that I went out of business as a farmer of the year.
Whole Foods came around.
It was a little too early that I worked at this farming research place.
And at the end, they were like, it was just an internship.
And they're like, hey, you want to go down to Epcot Center and do this outreach thing for us is something we're doing with the World Bank.
4:51
We're trying to teach them how to be sustainable because there were such, you know, they are such non sustainable people.
And I'm like me, Disney World.
Fuck yeah.
And so I went down there and they trained me with actors, education coaches, public speaking coaches, science education coaches.
5:11
For four weeks.
We developed this script.
And then I gave the same talk four times a day for six weeks on the floor of Epcot Center and overalls with a little red barn behind me.
It was like a little microcosm of a organic farm in Pennsylvania.
And you've got to see when people are with you when they're not.
5:32
And you know, when you're dynamic enough, you draw people in and they're with you and you can go wherever, you know the Spirit takes it.
And if they're not, you got a script and you just like, save your energy.
So I learned that and then went to Graduate School and then started the company and started doing a lot of public speaking.
5:50
I've just been doing it over time.
But you develop this sort of magnetism.
And when you have a good message and you're fun and funny and dynamic and you just laid out there and everybody's like, and nobody's on their phones and nothing.
6:08
And, you know, and you can lay down jokes and you could be, you know, off color and, you know, then they just eat it up.
And the more you get them engaged like that, the brighter it gets and the more the words come in to say the message in the way that they need to hear it.
6:25
So it's like a it's a group dynamic between you and the audience.
Whatever you say is always dependent on your audience.
You'll see that person to person, you know, somebody asked me a question and they'll get a totally different answer than another person asked me the question.
You know, especially if you get it like spiritual stuff.
6:41
Some, some people ask you something.
They're just like, yeah, I don't know.
No, somebody else asks you and you're like, you know, describing the structure of God and the, you know, infinitude of the universe.
It's just like it depends on your audience.
And so you want to light up the audience and hope that they're an interested one, and then the talk goes great.
6:59
Yeah, You know, one of the first times that I I heard your name, I was listening to Tony Robbins speak, and he was talking about how his health had really started to deteriorate.
Tony's a really big guy.
If if nobody's met Tony Robbins, he's a massive man.
And he was.
He's literally a giant.
7:15
He's a giant.
You know, he's talking about like his, his shoulder deteriorating and cartilage and things just started to go that didn't quite make sense as far as his lifestyle.
And it was the first time I heard him mention that he had done a test called the Tri test.
And at the time I was going through a, as you know, back in like the early 2000s, it was kind of like renegade medicine.
7:36
You had to go figure these things out.
There weren't as many resources as we have today.
It was just very different.
So I had found a guy online, Andrew Cutler, and he had, I had, I was doing the Cutler protocol.
So I was waking up.
If people don't know this, I was like waking up every three hours.
Oh yeah.
7:51
And doing all these chelating agents in a time in a 24 hour and.
Three hours, you do the MSA, and when you add AOA, that's every four hours.
You wake up during the night, and if you ever miss anything by 10 minutes, that's when everything will go South and you'll feel terrible.
8:07
And they tell you even if you do it all right, you'll feel worse.
For the first year.
Yeah, 52 rounds of chelation before you start feeling better.
Oh yeah, they were my nemesis.
They hated me so.
Much I mean you that group was so volatile and then he ended up passing away if I.
8:24
Oh yeah, he died at like 63 from a heart attack.
I met him once and he's all like red faced and fat and flamed and it's like we're supposed to learn from you.
There's a lot going on.
Tell me about the Tri test.
Is that something you helped to develop?
Because we were looking at, you know, you can measure mercury in a bloodstream, which some people might say is more immediate exposure, and then we can measure tissue samples and then we can also measure different areas, so in the urine.
8:48
Tissue samples.
I mean, I'm happy to do a biopsy.
No, I don't want that, but I don't want.
That not at all.
Now, so the mercury Tri test we applied.
So my PhD was developing really high end analytical techniques for forms of mercury in the environment.
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And then I patented that grad school and then they encouraged me to start a company and I wanted to apply it to human health.
And in this testing, it's called mercury speciation.
You're separating different forms of mercury.
So the main ones you're looking at there are methyl mercury and inorganic mercury.
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Methyl mercury is coming from fish and inorganic mercury is what you get from your dental amalgam.
And some of the fish based mercury breaks into it too.
But they're very different in how they work in the body, where they go and how they excrete.
And so before that I, I call it, it was always black box.
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So you probably did like something called a challenge test.
So they would give you a bunch of chelators.
Take your urine and see how much.
Mercury can't.
They'd give me EDTA.
Not for Mercury D.
MSADMSADMSA or DMPS are the two that they use for mercury and they would say, well, there's no mercury in the urine or in the blood until you force it out and they will call it challenge.
10:09
That's we're going to challenge out.
We're going to go take it out of the cells.
Like we go into every cell and taste the representative amount of the mercury in there.
And it wasn't true.
It was all there because when they started doing these kind of things, we didn't have a sophisticated enough testing to see what's in the blood, in the urine.
10:27
And it looked like there was nothing there unless you give this key later and a bunch comes out.
But then we got much more sophisticated testing where we can test and we can see what the background is all the time.
And what comes out in the challenge is proportional to what was already in the background.
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And there was a lot of papers, you know, figuring that out.
But you know, with all these health things, people create justifications and they create a mythology around it.
And the mythology was that it's never there except for just immediate exposure.
And we're going to go get the long term stuff and bring it out.
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That really wasn't true.
There's a steady state between what's in the blood and what's in the tissues.
And like if I go into your blood and I pull a bunch of mercury out, like say your mercury levels, we're just going to make a A level here of five and we go in and I pull you down to 1.
11:20
The next day you're going to be back up to five as it redistributes from the tissues into the blood.
It's just much more in the tissues and then what's in the urine.
If your kidneys working are proportionate to what's in the blood for inorganic mercury, the hair is proportionate to what's in the blood for methyl mercury.
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And if you go in and you do blood, hair and urine, and you're able to separate the different forms, you can grate this nice picture of what forms are in you, what their distribution is and how well you're excreting them.
11:52
And we don't need to do the challenge test anymore.
But people got really invested in that.
In fact, the company that did the most challenged testing hated me.
We're friends now, but there I was just disrupting.
I mean, I was a disruptor, you know, and, and I came in, I disrupted everything I said.
12:10
You don't need to test like that and you don't need to use it for detox either.
And I said these chelators were developed for industrial use, like DMPS was developed for battery factory workers who had massive lead, cadmium and zinc exposures, real acute.
12:30
And they would get sick and they just had to strip it all out.
And these were, you know, tough dudes, you know, work in blue collar and they would just keep cleaning them out that way.
Modern times it's more this chronic long term exposure coupled to a failure of the detox systems to work correctly.
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So your glutathione systems which are responsible for binding to the mercury and moving it around and keeping it out of the cell parts, that's not working well.
Your liver function and your liver drainage, which is the bile flow which is taking stuff isn't working right.
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The kidney filtration isn't working right.
So poor drainage and poor antioxidant detox systems coupled to long exposures, then you get sick.
And So what I found, because I tried this stuff, well, I tried the DMSA approach and it just almost ruined myself.
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I set out to just do mercury speciation on challenge urine.
I was buying into the party line and I was like, I'll tell you how much is inorganic and how much is methyl mercury, how much is fish and how much is amalgam.
And I started doing this stuff on myself.
I still had all these amalgams and it just got me sicker and sicker and sicker.
13:42
Then I got all my amalgams taken out and I started taking the DMSA and I'm like measuring the mercury in the urine, but not much is coming out.
So what does that mean?
Well, I probably aren't taking enough DMSA.
And I was just marching myself up to these, you know, like 1500 milligrams a day.
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And my energy's just crushing.
And I'm just getting so sick.
And these people are watching.
They're like, man, you're looking bad.
And you know, I always say in the dark night of my biochemical soul at the absolute depth, I was watching these different functional medicine talks and they're talking about the GI and the liver and, and I'm like, what am I doing trying to force this all out through the kidney?
14:24
I got to restore, I got to pull from the GI and restore that liver GI functioning.
And I, I start, I made this stuff Imd and a lot of people from the Cutler camp found our stuff and we're like, you know, healed themselves very quickly and just left the Cutler camp.
14:42
All the people still in the Cutler camp would talk about how horrible I am.
In fact, there was a guy named Tim Gray.
He was running Health Optimization Summit in London.
And he reached out to some people from their local Cutler group because he had done all this until he found my stuff, fixed himself and just stopped doing it.
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Reached out to them, said, hey, come to my conference.
And they said, I won't come to your conference.
You have a murderer there.
And so he's like, what are you talking about?
Chris Shade is a murderer.
Now who if I killed?
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Well, we don't know because they're dead.
Excuse me.
And it's because I wouldn't time lipoic acid every four hours.
So I had to change like all my business cards, they'd say.
Christopher Shade PHDI had to be PhD dash MDR because I'm a murderer.
15:36
Like this is like the psychopath.
Yeah.
And there's a reason they would time these things with DMSA, because it would go in, it would stir the pot and shift around where the mercury was, and it could bind it and then drop it.
So you'd keep this every half life you'd hit it.
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But when you're working with the glutathione system, repairing the glutathione system, you're not going zero to 60 to zero to 60 to zero to 60.
You know, you're floating along and maybe, you know, you're at 50 and then you dose up and you go up to 60 and then you come back down to 50.
16:08
And so it was a whole different application of how you do detoxification because, you know, when I was really in that depth of it, I realized I got to go this way.
And I went back into my lab and I had stuff I'd done during Graduate School called thiol resins.
16:28
You know, there were really like little pieces of silica gel or little pieces of sand and put key later on to it and you swallow it and it binds up everything and the gut never goes into circulation.
And taking that all the way from the GI starts restoring the liver, GI signaling and the GI, the liver starts dumping more mercury down there and you just fix everything that was going on in there.
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And then you start offloading all this mercury.
A lot of the metals will go out in the bile to the giant, then be reabsorbed.
This is what we talk about toxin binders, whether it's charcoal or zeolite or designed specific to mercury.
And so I came on the scene and, you know, my first mentors were Dietrich Klinghardt, Hal Huggins.
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These were like the elder statesman of mercury detox.
And they were like, immediately, like, give me that stuff.
Let me sell that stuff.
And it was like, this totally filled the hole in the toolbox.
And then I expanded there and then make it a liposomal glutathione and all the other stuff to lubricate the wheels of the natural detox system.
17:31
And when I was super sick, I just made that resin.
I was better in like 2-3 weeks.
Yeah.
You know, it's something that people, especially in the Lyme world, and first of all, you're working with a patient population which is super sensitive.
And there's also, like from my experience, some limbic system dysregulation.
17:47
So we tell stories about what we think supplements are doing after one dose.
And that's problematic, right?
If you're going to base your day-to-day fluctuations on how you're showing up that day, it's going to be a manic story.
Yeah, Because it's a little bit of a ride, right?
Yeah.
So the well the the lime world and a lot of the toxin world strongly dysregulates and overemphasize the glutamate receptors, which puts you into a fight or flight state all the time.
18:13
So you are kind of manic.
Yeah, anxious all the time.
Totally been there.
I mean, it was the first, you know, I'm good today.
But I had like a especially when I was doing the Cutler stuff, especially I was doing some of the high dose herbs that were not like some old.
I had like a little mini tremor in my hand that I would kind of hide.
18:30
I mean, I had some bad, some scary symptoms in my early 20s, Yeah.
That's a terrible time.
Terrible time.
So it is scary and you are really, you have that seeker mentality where you just need to get through the other side and everything from you know and everything sold to me from the high dose chelation Ivs, which in New York City were like $300.00 a pop.
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I had 1000 bucks in my bank account.
But I'm trying to come up with money for this stuff because they're like, you got to do 40 of these, you know, it's a wild spend.
It is a wild spend.
It's a wild spend and and something like so you have a system called the push catch.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is essentially that's liver support, that's bio support, and it's some of the binders.
19:08
Binders.
Is that something somebody can experiment with, or do you recommend people go through a practitioner to guidance?
Well, it depends what you're trying to do.
If you're doing general environmental detox, push catch is the core of all of our systems and it's very safe for just about anybody to do that.
19:25
Now if you're going to go more into the mercury LED world, lime world, then you're going to go into more advanced ones.
We used to have this thing called the detox cube and now it's called cube 2.0.
These are more advanced and we're moving some stuff that's a little bit, you know, heavy duty.
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And then I like people to go through a practitioner because, you know, they're already in a very compromised state.
The immune system is highly dysregulated, the neurotransmitters are dysregulated, the hormones are dysregulated.
They need a little bit more support.
But if you just want to come in and clear up some of the crap that's in you, you know, these endocrine disruptors and the glyphosate, the pesticides and the herbicides and all of us need to do that.
20:05
You can go in and do push catch, no problem.
And you can do half doses, single doses, double doses, triple doses.
Once a day, three times a day, there's all of this running room in there.
And then we have one that's more well-rounded called advanced push Catch, and that's for a month.
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And that'll take just about anybody out there unless you're already chronically ill and you have to go a little bit slower.
It'll take anybody and clear them up.
And one of the things that's so different about how we do this, this is not the old idea of I'm just going to take something out of you and you're going to get better.
20:42
This is opening up roots to take things out, but at the same time up regulating a number of these processes that are huge in longevity, like MPK, which is a trigger that's hit when you carb restrict or keto or water fast.
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We're using that and NRF 2, which is this antioxidant detox thing, turning those up.
So we're actually creating more cardio metabolic Wellness and efficiency at the same time we're taking stuff out.
That's why people feel better really fast.
21:17
Oh, you're going to be worse for a year, then you'll get better like.
That's that's a common story.
I think it's yeah.
But I think again, to your point, it's like if I've one big thing this year, when we do get chronically I'll when we're desperate, we'll do anything.
So we will shotgun approach it, right.
21:34
And I think just from this conference and the few speakers I've heard, it's so important to have a guide because we can, again, we can get on the Internet, we can say we can.
I hear people all the time.
They're like, oh, that didn't work.
Well, tell me, what do you mean it didn't work?
How long did you do it?
What was the dose?
What else were you doing?
What stage were you at in your life?
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What was your nervous system like?
Was a family dynamic.
There's a lot that comes into play.
So having a guide for me will save you money in the long run.
Yeah, and straightening you out.
And when you were chronically, when you got murky, you do not think straight, right?
And that shit in your brain controls your thoughts.
22:06
And you argue yourself out of the protocol all the time.
Even though you are seeking help all the time, you won't take it.
And that's like, especially Mercury has this high paranoia with it.
22:23
And I would get these people all the time.
They'd come to me.
They'd be like, you know, looking around kind of Doctor Shade.
I just want to ask you something.
And you know, I got all these symptoms.
I think it's mercury.
And you're like, well, do you have exposure, blah, blah, blah.
22:38
And you're like, yeah, yeah, totally.
And like, what do I do about it?
I'm like, yeah, you totally have it and here's what you do, blah, blah, blah.
And they just look at you wide eyed, they run away, they ask you what the solution is, and then they won't take it.
It's hard.
And then if they buy it, they'll find a million reasons not to take it.
22:54
Sure.
You know, I took it and then a friend of mine got mad at me.
So it must be that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just like, up their stuff.
And, you know, their health is up and down and up and down and up.
And like you said, you know, based on a single day's dosing, you start blaming things.
You know, these people are crashing every other day.
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You know, the likelihood that they took your thing and crashes 50% because it's every other day.
And so the guide helps straighten you out.
Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
24:49
So we're at a four M, we're in Las Vegas.
We're actually looking out over the desert.
It's stunning there's.
The Trump Tower here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's the desert.
There's the desert.
Yeah, it's we're kind of at the end of the strip.
But I just, I say that to everybody at home because I want to be cautious of time and aware.
25:04
And I literally think we could do like 20 podcasts on like 10 different topics.
But the reason that I reached out to your team is because I had had we, we talked about Lyme disease a lot.
I mentioned it on the last podcast.
I was like, I've really diminished the supplements I take and I'm so much more conservative these days.
25:23
It's just like a base protocol.
But I had tried.
The one thing I've always jumped around in is having kind of wax and waning tendon pain, not joint pain.
I scan my joints on a scan.
They're they're like, these look great.
I'm like, well they fucking hurt.
Some some days.
25:40
I feel like an 80 year old man.
In other days I'm fine.
Absolutely fine.
Like I can squat ass to ground.
Oh yeah, and it's cycles like that.
It's cycles and it's seasonal and a.
Creature.
Yeah, there's somebody living in there.
Somebody living in there.
It's cycles.
Kind of like malaria, yeah.
So, and you know, here's the other thing.
25:56
One of the first drugs anybody put me on was hydroxychloroquine when they didn't know what was going on.
I want to say I want to say it was almost like you know that it took the volume down 20 to 30% didn't fix anything, but it made joint pain tolerable.
This is 20 years ago anti malarial medication, but I had tried crypto comax after going off of I want to.
26:18
I was on a cycle of rapamycin which I actually got decent results, but it's expensive.
There's other side effects.
I was like every time recycle 600 bucks.
I was like I don't know if this is the jam.
I said let me try this crypto Co Max and so if I'm a big crypto guy too.
So I made the disclaimer.
26:34
This is not a new coin to buy, although we could make a meme coin of it.
A meme coin.
A coin, Meme coin.
We could make a coin for crypto.
OK, we want you.
To know, Oh no, no, I know totally.
I first I had cat's claw and it was going to be called Crypto Cat or something.
26:49
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we could do that.
We'll examine that business partnership in the future.
But I had literally tried a teaspoon in the morning and at night and after day three, I had better results than I'd had with Arapamia and I had done, you know, 2 almost a year on and off.
27:06
It was really wild.
And I'd say inflammation went down 60 to 40% within the tendon, exactly the spot where I wanted it to go.
So the product we're talking about, yeah, is right here.
We'll just show that to the camera and we'll we'll get a good B roll shot of this and my editor will put it in there.
It'll look all sexy.
27:22
But Crypto Comax, what's in here and why is it possible that I had a a good response to these herbs?
Because you still had lime confections in you, and that got them.
And so cryptos, cryptolepis, and that's the new darling of the Lyme community.
It's exceptional on Borrelia.
27:38
It even has effects on Bartonella and Babesia.
But you know, the three BS in the Lyme community, Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia, there's some things that are really good independently for them.
So the Bartonella, Japanese knotweed is really good for, it's also good for for Borrelia.
27:55
So Borrelia, Bartonella, and then artemisinin.
So artemisinin is on the World Health Organization's list of essential medicines for any country.
And it was the original antimalarial.
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It was developed by Chairman Mao's chemist because in the Korean War, more people were dying from malaria than from bullets, and so they needed a perfect malaria.
It was from Artemisia anua, sweet Wormwood, and it was a specific compound.
28:28
Now, how does that fit to Babesia?
Babesia is a cousin of mosquito of malaria.
And so this artemisin is a great antibodiesial.
So Cryptocomax, we have liposomal cryptolepis if you want that just alone, but I prefer the Co Max because it's got the artemisin then the knotweed along with the cryptolepis.
28:50
And so it's got a much more broad spectrum, very good on stuff in the brain and really good all over.
And, and I developed this, somebody asked me to make some liposomal cryptolepis.
And so I made it.
And then I'm like, oh, I should put this blend together because I like the Artemis in it.
29:08
And so I put this blend together and it started change.
I had all this neurological stuff going on that, you know, like your tremor, I was hiding, you know, I had like a dizziness that was going on all the time.
Like, if I was on a hotel porch looking down, I would feel, you know, it was like this fear of heights.
29:27
I felt myself being pulled off there.
I was starting to lose my depth perception.
Like, I couldn't run downstairs real fast, you know, I was found myself touching a lot of things as I moved around.
And all this started going away when I was doing the cryptoco Max.
29:45
And then I did some wine testing and Oh yeah, I had Babesia, I had Bartonella.
I probably had had, well, I had Borrelia, I had Bartonella, I had Erlichia.
I had mycoplasma pneumonia, chlamydia pneumonia, Epstein Barr, cytomegalovirus.
I was just running all that stuff.
30:01
And I started clearing it all away.
And I remember where I finally knew neurologically I was all the way better.
I was in Nepal, outside of Kathmandu with a bunch of monks, a different story.
And I was on a suspension bridge literally 1000 feet over a river.
30:18
And I just, like, put my head right over the side of the bridge and look down.
And I'm like, oh, good.
Yeah, and, you know, it's it's the stuff that creeps something.
I mean, I come from the Northeast.
Who knows how long I had it.
I view lime like a herpes family thing.
30:33
Like it's in there, it's in it's biofilm, and it comes out when it has opportunity.
I mean, I literally, I don't know if you know the history of Lyme and where it was engineered off of Lyme, CT.
There's a place called Plum Island.
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Yeah, well, I used to go to the beach there as a kid.
Yeah.
So I yeah.
You got the good stuff.
I Recon body surfed on Plum Island.
You know, I got the real stuff.
You know, I remember some stuff hitting me in college that now I'm like, oh, that was mine.
31:06
Yeah.
And so I cleared all this stuff up in me.
And then, yeah, we started working with a big clinic out in Pennsylvania, Turnpaw Wellness, and they live test every single person that comes in the door.
And I got that.
You know, I went and talked to these guys and we're like, you know, soul mates.
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And I just gave him a whole bunch of this stuff and they love this stuff.
And they have all these stories like you, like we got this guy pretty well, but it was just kind of grinding on and we're always kind of maintaining it.
And then we gave him Comex and seven days later he was just done, you know, where, you know, he called in two days.
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It was like that moves the needle more than anything I've ever taken.
Yeah, it was quick.
Yeah.
And so it's these liposome cease delivery systems, liposomes, nano emulsions.
So the the cryptos, the liposome, that means it's got a water core because it's got a lot of water soluble's in it.
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Artemisins in a nano emulsion because that's oil soluble and it has to actually it's this alcohol soluble thing.
So we have to make a special kind of particle for that.
And the Japanese snot weeds also in the liposome.
So we'll make these various hybrid formulas and what they do is they get these actives into these little spheres that are dominantly phosphocholine.
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Same thing your cell membranes are made-up of.
And then you'll hear also like in the live world, the mold world, oh, your cell membranes need to be rebuilt.
Well, we use as our delivery vehicle.
Same thing your cell membranes are made out of.
And so the healing of the membrane is bringing in the phytonutrient at the same time.
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And so when you make these small enough, they go right through your mouth, right into the capillaries under your tongue.
They'll absorb through your stomach, your upper GI, they'll peak in your blood in 20 to 25.
And it's all in everything in at once.
And you get, you know, this effects somewhat like an IV.
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And when you stack together all these different compounds, all of them come in at the same time.
I mean, there's one we have called AMPK charts.
It'll put you into ketosis in 30 minutes because it has all these things that if you take into capsules in particular, 456 hours to peek in the blood and we get them all in that amount of time.
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And so these are things like you think, oh, I must have got some great rainforest herb that does this thing, Resveratrol, Questin, Celamarin, Diane, the Lil methane, and of course, berberine.
And you know, what kind of dose of berberine do people usually take?
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500 milligrams, 1000 milligrams, there's 12 and a teaspoon, 12 milligrams of Bear brain, 40 milligrams of all the rest.
But every bit of it gets in and every bit of it peaks in 20 minutes.
And all of them hit this trigger called AMPK.
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And that's what flips you into ketosis.
It's the trigger that's hit when you carb restrict, when you water fast keto diet.
And so the point of that is that we call it a biosynchronous effect that all these molecules hit all at the same time in a coordinated fashion.
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And that's the key to the magic in these things.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
With the COMAX, it's those three main compound or main herbals, and you'll see a lot in our formulas of whole plant extracts and pure compounds being used.
So pure artemisinin with whole plant, Kryptone, whole plant, not weed.
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You'll see like in the liver sauce, there'll be whole plant extracts of the bitter herbs like dandelion and myrrh and soledago, and then pure compounds like Christine luteola or lipoic acid.
So we like to put these blends of things together and you get pretty magical effects.
34:49
Yeah.
You know, one thing I couldn't find online and I reached out to some clinicians because they had it.
I know everybody different, everybody weight, everybody type, every disease profile.
What would you say about dosing something like this?
Is it dependent on your typically just your response or is there a a serving per pound of body weight?
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Well, there's always anything you're dosing has a body weight thing and people are like, how do I dose kids?
And there's an equation for body weight.
You know how to shift that around, but you, you want to get to as high of a dose as you can manage because that'll change things faster.
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I mean, you really go into really accelerated change when you get into higher doses, but there'll be more side effects or they they call Herxheimer reactions and those are these are just various side effects and those side effects go down the more you line up all the right things.
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So in the crypto, I like to get to 2 teaspoons to even 4 teaspoons a day, and I like to blend it with equal amounts of liposomal EDTA.
Now people might be like, why EDTA?
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Isn't that lead key?
Later.
EDTA is a spectacular biofilm breaker.
It's anticoagulant, it's a nitric oxide up regulator and it's a metal chelator.
And so and for the biofoam Breakers, like if you're using like a kinase like lumbo kinase or nano kinase, these things don't get across the blood brain barrier, but the EDTA does.
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Yeah.
So especially in a neurological thing, I like those two together.
So you might start add, you know, 1/2 teaspoon once a day, see how things go move up.
And you know, these these Lyme doctors, it's funny, there's these two guys and they're, they're like brothers, but they're like yin and Yang with dosing ones like all in just deal with it.
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The other ones like, well, let's bring you up slowly, but you want to start with a tolerable dose and work your way up to as high as you can really manage.
Stay there for a while and then come down.
See, Lyme time is not a weekend adventure.
36:55
No.
Well, it can be, but not in my experience.
No, a weekend to get it, not to get rid of it.
Yeah, it's usually, and these guys, their rule of thumb is 6 months and that's, that's what I did.
And you'll clear all the symptoms and stuff pretty easily, you know, in the 1st one to two months Max.
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And that's where you're titrating up, you're hitting high and then you got to come down and you just got to keep this stuff from re establishing itself.
It's biofilms where it lives in, you know, it hides in there, comes out when you're weak and then it goes and hides and it's going in these different forms.
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You know, there's a cyst form, a free firm swimming form, and you have to let it keep going through these cycles while you've got the pressure on.
And, you know, you, you gotta, you know, because it'll go hide.
You think you're fine and then it comes back and you got to just keep it on the run for six months.
37:44
Yeah.
I mean, I would just also for people and people who listen to the podcast know, but if anybody news here, that is some of the things that I do is a lifestyle thing because I'm in the biohacking space.
You know I have a Floresso at home so I can do a full body lymphatic drainage once a week.
And what's it called?
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The Flowpresso full body, it's like a spacesuit you bust in button in with the heat and the pressure.
Oh.
Wow, it's amazing.
I've never even heard of that, but no, that's fantastic.
You need to make the lip thing.
You know, the lymph gets all jammed up and this stuff lives in there and it's slowing it all down.
I have a, you know, I have a like next to my bed.
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I have my sauna, you know?
Yeah, this clear light sauna.
Yeah, yeah, sauna, cold Flopresso, I have APEMF device, I use amp coil once a week, twice a week, especially for deep sleep.
Yeah, right.
So I have these complementary technologies, but these are things I have done for a long time, got to a 90, you know 92%.
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But this is really like push me over the edge in a really quick amount of time.
If we pivot from crypto Co Max in the lime conversation, you said everybody needs to do this.
Everybody is burdened with some level of environmental chemicals.
This is in the news now increasingly.
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What would you tell everybody if there was like, I'm interested in Quicksilver and they go to the website and they're a little overwhelmed?
What would you tell like the average person to pick up and try if they wanted to upgrade detox pathways?
Getting advanced push catch to do it for a month.
Advanced push catch and do it for a month.
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Yeah, that's liver sauce, kidney care, glutathione and a fuss little colon program.
It's actually called membrane mend and the binder, and it's got a twice a day dosing for a month.
It's so easy to modify.
Like if you're having a hard time with it, you're not feeling so good, cut the dose in half.
39:25
Yep.
You know, it's like, OK.
And then go a week like that, then go back.
Yeah.
And, you know, it works well.
Yeah.
One of the people who don't have a gallbladder have to go a little bit slower.
There's this, you know, the whole push, catch, push means we're going to push from the tissue to the blood, the blood from the liver and the liver push it out with bile.
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If you don't have bile flow, all the toxin transporters that leave the liver are bile flow transporters.
And so that's pushing it all down to the GI.
And the catch is the binder.
So Ultra binder is charcoal zeolite, IMD, the metal binder, Kita's house mold binder, and a couple things for GI health.
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And so because of the way, remember I said all these things peek in the blood like 2025 minutes you'll take all your liposomes and half hour later you take the binder and you'll even feel it like you'll be coming up on 1/2 hour.
You'll be like, I feel kind of funny.
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And you put the binder in and you're like, I feel great.
And that ties everything up into a nice little bow.
Because when you're doing all these capsules and stuff, you're kind of triggering stuff.
But it's like bleeding out all day.
And it's not, it's not focused into dump catch.
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You're good.
Then a little later you do it again.
And you know, so usually in the morning, take all your lymposomes, half hour later take your binder.
Half hour after that you can eat or you can keep fasting or whatever it is and if you can integrate intermittent fasting with it being fasted in the morning turns up this MPK cause the food hasn't been there.
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MPK helps turn up NRF 2 which is your detox thing, so it's more effective if you've got some intermittent fasting on board.
Yeah, One more quick fire question.
You know, you, you gave a talk on NAD, there's so much information in the space right now.
Is it a precursor?
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Is it doing NAD injections or infusions or IV infusions?
I've done all of it yeah.
What do you think is if you just say add something again to the person really researching nad yeah what they should be looking for and why is that important to incorporate it's.
Precursors is the way I like to go and I use NMN nicotine mononucleotide and we do it in a liposome with a couple cofactors to go with it.
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There's one called NAD Platinum, which is more balanced than NAD Gold, which is more pure NMN.
Nicotinamide riboside also works, but we don't do that in the liposome because it's not stable for long enough.
So those are the two, NMN and NR.
42:00
The Ivs and injections are a totally different thing and I think they're completely misunderstood because you hook yourself up to that IV and it starts dripping and what happens to you?
You want to shit, piss and puke.
And in the early clinics, all of those things happened like right in the chair that also happens, you know, like there was a funny movie, the Interview, you know, they poisoned this, this guy with ricin.
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And you know, it's like, that's what happens.
You know, when you're poisoned, that's what happens.
And why does your body have that reaction?
And people are like, oh, because you're stimulating deep and bullshit.
NAD is not supposed to be in the blood with you.
You can move NAD power around and you have transporters that move NR and NMN from a cell into the blood, from the blood into another cell and you can traffic it around, but those are the two you traffic.
42:54
You never traffic NAD, it's never in the blood.
So I believe it's a reaction where the body thinks that a whole bunch of cells just blew up and released their contents into the blood and it's like a freak out reaction.
And I believe that triggers you to repair your NAD metabolome.
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So you might trigger more NAD synthesis.
I mean, it's possible you can take the NAD apart and start moving around.
But I think it's a hermitic response.
Hermitic is what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.
So all toxins, if we give you just a little bit, you sort of respond to them and get stronger.
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And so this is, you know, an event going on in the body and I think that there's a repair response to it.
And that's why people get clinical results.
But if you're just, it's not like it's going into the cells of building your NAD levels directly, yeah.
43:49
Do you think everybody should be doing some form of NAD support?
You know, the word everybody is kind of a stupid word to use because not everybody, but most people and especially if you're in chronic disease, you know, there's some stories around cancer.
44:06
Cancer uses exceptional amount of NAD because it's so metabolically active and some people worry about that.
I don't so much.
Yeah, I was on a waiver.
I did at one time.
I did an IV.
They're like heavy on cancer.
I was like, yes, they're like how long ago?
They're like, you're okay.
44:22
Yeah.
So, yeah.
So they worry about feeding and active cancer and, you know, with all the cancer, things I need to worry about glutathione was that they were exosome stem cells.
Like, Oh my God, my cancers.
It's like, do you have cancer?
It's like, well, what if there's just a dormant little cancer there?
I'm like, then you're living in fear for the rest of your life.
44:39
It's during a cute phase, and that's when you got to shift things.
And so, yeah, I do believe in entity support over a vast swath of the population, especially, you know, if if you're trying to get your system back, you're trying to get your energy back, because nothing sports mitochondria more than that.
44:57
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