The Vision Revolution with Claudia Muehlenweg: Why Your Eyes Don’t Have to Get Worse With Age

WELCOME TO EPISODE 230

In this episode of the Beautifully Broken Podcast, Freddie Kimmel interviews Claudia Mühlenweg, founder of Holistic Vision and creator of the Naturally Clear Vision Method. Claudia hated wearing glasses and made it her mission to help others see clearly without them. She is an author and international speaker. Claudia helps people find the root causes of blurry vision instead of using glasses, contacts, or surgery, which can worsen eyesight.
Claudia shares her personal journey with vision issues. She discusses how aging, modern society, and emotional health affect vision. They explore the Bates method and other natural therapies for improving eyesight. Claudia also talks about the role of nutrition, sunlight, and lifestyle changes in eye health. Emotional well-being is key in preventing and treating vision problems. Claudia emphasizes a holistic approach, focusing on the connection between physical, emotional, and environmental factors. Tune in to discover how vision therapy and mindfulness can improve your eyesight.

 

Episode Highlights

04:00 – Introduction to vision and aging: why eyesight naturally declines over time.
05:48 – Exploring how aging impacts vision, muscle weaknesses, and the lens clouding.
09:12 – Fascinating facts about vision: understanding the brain’s crucial role in sight.
12:01 – Claudia’s personal journey with vision problems and how she became an expert.
15:08 – Modern society’s impact on eye health: digital screens and stress factors.
18:00 – Natural therapies for vision improvement, including the Bates method.
20:56 – The controversy of traditional vision correction methods versus natural solutions.
24:04 – Emotional health’s role in vision: how feelings affect eyesight and visual acuity.
35:46 – Finding balance in life and vision care for optimal health.
38:47 – Discussing how data and intuition guide health decisions, particularly in vision.
39:45 – The importance of self-tuning and forgiveness in vision improvement practices.
41:29 – The role of collaboration in wellness and vision health protocols.
43:54 – Building a community for health and well-being, including vision care.
45:35 – Technology and tools for improving vision and supporting eye health.
50:19 – The role of nutrition in maintaining healthy vision and preventing decline.
55:13 – The importance of lifestyle changes, including sunlight and exercise, in eye care.
01:02 – How to implement practical changes for better vision and overall wellness.
01:07 – Being beautifully broken: the journey of self-discovery and healing through vision.

 

Connect with Claudia:
https://naturallyclearvision.com
https://naturallyclearvision.com/21-days-to-better-eyesight-experience/
https://naturallyclearvision.com/naturally-clear-vision/

 

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

0:00
What if I told you that your glasses might actually be making your vision much worse?
Today I am joined by Claudia Mullenweg, a pioneer in natural vision improvement, and she is the founder of the Naturally Clear Vision Institute.
0:16
So after Claudia struggled with blurry vision since childhood, she's made it her life's mission to help people see clearly without glasses, contacts, or surgery.
So in this episode, we're going to dive into the root causes of vision problems, the impact of aging and modern day lifestyle on our eyes, and how very simple lifestyle adjustments can transform the way you see the world.
0:43
Quite literally, you're going to see a link in the show notes for a free guide to actually start improving your eyesight today and an exclusive discount on her 21 Day to Better Eyesight program that is in the show notes.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's jump on in and see the world in a different light.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Beautifully Broken podcast.
I am so excited for you to see this episode because we're going to talk about all things Vision with Claudia Mullenwig.
4:07
Claudia, welcome to the show.
Thank you so much for having me, Freddie.
So zero to 10.
How did I do for the pronunciation of your last name?
When you were practiced, you did a little bit better, but you did pretty good.
OK.
Will you say it for the audience?
Claudia Mullenwig.
4:23
Mullenwig Yeah, it's subtle.
It's so unique.
I am totally German.
I'm like 125% German when I run my genetics.
I'm so excited to have you on the show, selfishly, Claudia, because in the last eight months my vision has started to not be perfect.
4:41
And it was always perfect.
Now, if I look across the room, I can read every the clock on the wall, farsightedness.
But when I'm looking at my phone in the morning lately and I'm looking at little labels like this, I'm like if I hold it close it gets blurry.
4:57
I was like, what happened?
I turned 47 last weekend so this is topical for me.
What's the perfect topic to talk about so-called presbyopia?
Old age sites?
Oh.
Man, old age site sounds terrible.
5:12
I know.
Can we go in your background a little bit?
What would you you know if we were walking down the street, we bumped into each other because of my bad vision.
What would you tell me you do for a living?
That's a good question.
I would say I help you improve your eyesight naturally.
5:28
Beautiful and people might hear that at home and they may say to themselves, well that's impossible.
I'm I'm getting older, my eyes say is degenerating.
How is that possible?
Maybe we can go in.
Let's talk about the eye a little bit and why vision degrades over time.
5:46
So like the rest of our body, right, We get more wrinkles, we lose some muscle power.
The things are changing, right?
We, some of our joints are changing.
The whole biology changes as we get older.
OK, that's normal.
That's really, that's part of aging.
But you know, you know better than anybody what we do has a big impact on how we age.
6:07
Do we age well?
Do we age optimally?
Do we age powerfully or do we just let things decline and get worse and worse?
So I think that's the big thing to differentiate is yes, I never, I would never say we're not aging.
We have the same eyes as a newborn.
That's absolutely not true.
6:23
We'll go deeper in that.
So with that, with the, we'll say we're moving towards right, I'm a little baby, I'm moving towards hopefully a 90 or 100 year old.
What happens to the eyes that change our quality of vision?
So I mean, there's so many categories, but to oversimplify, the muscles of the eyes can get weaker.
6:42
The vitreous humor, which is I have a model of the eyeball.
Let me grab this.
So for those of you watching, if you're just listening, I have a model of the eyeball and inside is this big jello.
Think of this clear gel called the vitreous humor.
And as we get older, that can liquefy a little bit.
6:58
Pieces can break off, known as floaters.
Those are little specks flying around.
Some people might experience so-called vitreous detachment where it kind of moves away from the retina a little bit.
You might see some flashes of light on the side.
Another thing that can happen is that the lens just gets more cloudy.
7:16
That's known as a cataract, which is linked to diabetes.
And we can talk about other root causes like heavy metal exposure, steroid drugs, but cataracts are, you know, eye doctors might say everybody gets a cataract eventually.
And so that is a common thing that can happen.
7:32
And I would say those are the main things.
And also so-called macular degenerations for those of you that see it, that is the sharpest spot in the back of our retina is the macular where we have the sharpest vision.
That's basically whether where you have seen the best and sharpest, most color vision, it's the fovea, lutea, the yellow spot.
7:51
And if we eat a poor diet, for instance, right, the we need to get those nutrients to the diet.
And if you eat a poor diet, that can kind of degenerate, and that's known as macular degeneration.
So those are the eye diseases.
And then the other problem that can happen is what you are talking about.
8:09
We call that refractive errors, which is basically related to how the light gets refracted through the cornea and the lens and the virtuous humor that is near sightedness, fast sightedness and astigmatism.
So those are the three refractive errors.
Does that all make sense?
Yeah, that makes sense.
8:25
And this will be a good one, guys.
Well, we'll put clips up on this, definitely on social media and on.
We'll put the whole thing on YouTube, on video, But if I'm, you know, I've got a label here.
If I'm moving this in and out and I'm like now I find I'm like, OK, here's the distance, right?
I need 12 to 13 inches away and everything looks good.
8:43
Everything looks great.
It's when I bring it close.
What is that malady in my eyesight that's happening?
So the lens and again I'm holding up a plastic lens for my the model.
So the inner lens or the crystalline lens, it's known, it's very clear that lens, when you look in the distance, the ciliary muscle around it, which kind of controls how the lens think of a biceps muscle, right?
9:05
If you flex your biceps, so the lens gets more bulgy when you look up close.
So when you look up close, focusing up on your small print, the lens is getting more bulgy and the ciliary muscle has to work.
So there's an active engagement of the muscles.
When we look in the distance, the ciliary muscle is relaxed, the lens flat.
9:24
So the distance state is the relaxed state of the eyes.
And one more thing, I have two little rubber eyeballs here.
When we look up close, we have to do something called converging.
So think of extreme case crossing your eyes, right?
So the eyeballs have to kind of come together versus if you look in the distance, they're parallel to each other like train tracks, like they're parallel.
9:44
So that is also a muscular effort on the outer.
Each eye has 6 muscles around the eyeball.
So those muscles have to be more engaged when we look up close because we have to convert, we have to cross our eyes.
You know, the eyeballs have to come toward each other.
So there is more muscular effort in the in the fact of coming looking up close than it is when you look in the distance.
10:06
Claudia, when I dive into a new subject like lymphatics or pulse electromagnetic field or red light therapy, I usually find some fun facts that are just incredible about that system.
You know, the idea that the lymphatic system has no pump to drive it or there's three times as much lymphatic fluid as there is blood.
10:24
What are some amazing facts about the eye that you give to people to get them excited about the power of their vision or what's going on there?
So the first number one thing is that I always say, you know, you don't see with your eyes.
I always say we see in the brain, right?
I mean, we all know that it's like the eyes are the light receivers and then the retina is actually the retina is part of the brain, but we actually see in the brain mostly in the visual cortex.
10:48
And that's why we have visual illusions and things where people can argue for days about how remember that dress?
Like there was this blue black dress and some people said it was like white and yellow.
Do you remember that?
It was a meme like around 2015, but and this discussions like almost like politics, people were arguing with each other and it's basically the brain thinks of like, is this in the shadow?
11:10
Is this outside?
Is this?
So you kind of take information to create a picture in your mind what this thing should look like.
You know, or like when you see drawings of these on sidewalks, right?
They look like a 3D Canyon that you can fall in from a specific angle.
So we can actually pretty easily trick the brain.
11:28
And so that's one thing that I always find fascinating.
We talked about the eyeball health.
Yes, the eyeball has to be healthy, right?
If you don't have an eyeball or your red dust detached or whatever happens, right, you don't have a lens in your eye.
You know, the mechanical system of how you perturb the information is beautifully broken.
11:48
But in the end of the day, we don't see the eyes, we see in the brain.
Yeah, fascinating.
Fascinating.
And remind me when we're developing as a fetus.
Like, where did the eyes come from?
I remember there was something really cool about this too.
Oh gosh, I don't actually, I think they grow out of the brain, but I don't actually 100% know.
12:08
I just know that it takes, I hear different things between age 10 to age 15 for the visual system to really develop.
And especially babies need to learn how to do this convergence right.
They need to like had eye coordination and how the eyes work together.
12:24
And I actually had so-called strabismos as a kid and you can still see it in some photos.
Meaning my right eye would always turn toward the nose.
And if your eyes, that's another factor we haven't talked about.
How do the two eyes work together?
Because only when we focus on one thing with both eyes pointing at that thing, we have so-called 3D version, a depth perception.
12:44
Otherwise we'd see a flat picture.
And those are the so-called binocular vision problems like double vision, lazy eye squint, where the eye goes in and out of both eyes go in and out.
So there's all kinds of different correlations to where the where the brain, like if you see things double right, the brain will say, well, this is confusing.
13:04
And then usually one eye gets kind of quote, UN quote turned off.
And that's when people get lazy.
I and A lot of these things, things that happened in childhood or even as a baby.
Yeah, so I have a really good spot to pick up.
But before we go forward, why vision?
13:20
Why are you a vision expert?
Why do you teach people how to see?
Like where did this passion begin in your life?
A question so I had, you know, I was farsighted.
So there's a difference between pressbiopia, what you have, and true farsightedness.
And too far as I'm just working with somebody in my program actually.
13:38
And they might have a + 5 or 6 for distance and a + 8 or 9.
Like really, like think of really strong reading glasses, like super big magnifying glass.
So I was fast sighted and I had this right.
I would always go in.
In other words, I would bump into things.
I was a clumsy kid.
13:54
And so I got glasses when I was three years old.
And I'm way older than you.
I'm born in the 60s and I have a picture of me on the first day of school.
I was literally the only kid with glasses in my whole classroom of 30 kids.
And of course, we were bullied.
You were teased.
There was no Harry Porter.
There was no geeks.
14:10
Like glasses were simply not cool at all.
You were like a loser.
And I remember getting a little older and I was so shy.
I had no friends.
I was always miserable.
And so I really want I never wore the glasses when I didn't have to.
I tried to just not wear them.
And then I remember I was recruited to the handball team.
14:27
And you know why?
Because in my little town there was not enough girls.
So they asked everybody because I was the worst.
I couldn't throw a cat for the life of it, but it was a good defender, so I could run around and I couldn't wear my glasses because they were glass.
They were actually too dangerous with a leather handball.
You know, if I got, I got hit in the head all the time because I was again, bad at catching and throwing.
14:47
But three years after doing that, paying peripheral vision moving, like doing all the things outside the sunshine, my eye doctor said that my eyes have gotten better.
And that got me like, I was like 1415.
And I was like, wait, what?
Like, and at some point I didn't need to wear glasses.
15:04
And then a couple of years into that, I was studying for high school.
I was not a good student.
I was like doing all the learning, you know, freaking out about exams.
And my vision got blurry again.
And at that point I had tasted like 2 years of freedom.
And I was like, wait, I do not ever want to get back to glasses.
15:19
And that's when I really discovered natural vision improvement.
And I did all the things and I was glasses free till my mid 30s.
And then Long story short, horrible marriage, divorced, single mom, back in glasses.
And then I did it again in my 40s.
So yeah, But that got me really interested because nobody had told me your vision can get better.
15:38
And when the doctor said your eyes are normal, I think he said your eyes are normal.
I was like, wait, what?
Like that was like the biggest.
And then boys would be, do you have beautiful eyes?
And before I would just be called, you know, whatever the German version is of what you caught.
What do you call?
People hear that.
15:54
What is the tease word for eyed or something?
What is the Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They would.
They would have different words in German, but it was mean.
It was really mean, Yeah.
So yeah.
Well, I'm sending love back to that little girl who felt shy and embarrassed about who she was.
16:11
Right now I just want to thank.
You thank you.
That always brings tears back up because I had such a miserable I was at home.
I would always have like be extrovert and my mom's like why you never say anything at school.
Your teacher says you're like you don't say anything because I was so scared.
You know, I was really in this fear mode the whole time and you know when the glass is broke, you were on the playground.
16:30
They would have to be taped together.
My parents didn't have money.
And so it was like they became this kind of thing that was, you know, I have to be really careful about.
But also, you know, you're on the playground, you're swinging around, you know, like the glasses were just the pain and the.
You know what?
Yeah.
You're a kid.
16:46
You're supposed to be in the state of play.
Yeah.
When we look at today, modern day society, you know, I have all these stats floating around in my head, which I'll, I quote all the time.
You know, I'm looking at the rate of autism, chronic illness, Ms. Parkinson's just skyrocket across the board.
17:04
How is vision the health of if you know this or you're aware, how is vision in the world impacted by some of these, you know, environmental factors like metals or the digital age?
I've got a supercomputer in my pocket that I'm looking at all the time we.
17:20
Definitely.
I'm really, really, really concerned about children.
I actually have some statistics.
So in the 70's, the rates of near sightedness is would not what you have, but near sightedness means you can look up close really well, but then things in the distance get really blurry.
The rates of near sightedness were about 25% in the 70s.
17:38
And in the US it's about 42% now.
And in China and other Southeast Asian countries, Singapore has like 93% of youth children and young adults are near sighted now and with so that is an epidemic.
And then you know, and we saw from Zoom school, I think there was 6% increase just in those few years that that China reported.
18:01
And, and we now know, and you didn't ask me this, but we now know from so many, and I can give you lots of different from animal studies to looking at kids behaviours, but kids that play outside, that get the national light into their eyes, lower rates of near sightedness.
So it's, and then they thought, well, maybe it's because I look in the distance, which is the factor, but the bigger distance, the bigger differentiator was the sunlight.
18:24
And now we spend all day inside, we spend all day looking at artificial screens, kid.
Now the schools are upgrading quote on quote to like have the kids work on iPads and you know, instead of books, which is for the IA digital, like a backlit screen is harder to focus on than a physical object where the light actually bright, you know, so the eyes have an easier focal point.
18:47
And then you know, all the 3D games now too, which I don't know much about, but the virtual reality and those kind of games that where you put the where there's a fake 3D World, but it's not the actual real three DI don't know about anything like data on that.
But I really think the brain will not develop the same way.
19:04
There will be problems, yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely changing.
I think, you know, I, I will say we are out of alignment with the governing laws of nature or, or some, some phrase that makes that people like, oh, that makes a lot of sense to me.
You know, a lot has changed as far as behavior when we say natural vision therapies and you say this is a technique you use natural vision.
19:26
You said you've used it when you were younger and you had that experience of playing outside, more sunlight exposure, changing your visual field play and then you redid it in your 40s.
What what are you referring to when you just talk about that natural vision therapies.
So the.
Basis of all vision improvement is really the Bates method.
19:43
And if you look online, that's getting bashed and all these things.
But Bates, doctor Bates was an ophthalmologist in New York.
He was mostly active from like 1890 to like 1920.
He wrote this book, The Perfect Set Without Glasses, 1920.
19:59
He was a Columbian professor.
He actually discovered adrenaline and he created an ear surgery that is still used today.
But then when he said, and he was the person who was curious, just like you and I are, he had patients and their vision improved and he was like, wait, that doesn't fit into the model.
I learned an ophthalmology school and then he started doing animal.
20:17
Experiments, he worked with hundreds and thousands of clients with kids and he developed this method and it's really based on, we would nowadays say it's based on neuroscience, on nervous system regulation, on being relaxed, you know, having a positive mindset, like all the things that we watch that we use now.
20:36
But that's really the gist of the foundation.
And you know, Andrew Heuerman did a podcast, an episode called Vision, Improve your Vision.
And the things that he was talking about, Bates talked about sunlight because just then when he was writing that writing that book, the sunglasses started to like in the 1920s, Nineteen 30s, you know, the first sunglasses, which were actually just celluloid film that weren't even blocking UV light, but that first and then Hollywood stars.
21:00
So you know, and human talks about the same thing, how important sunlight is and shifting your focus.
But Bates was really more using the the mind and the what he called memory imagination, because if you have an easy memory or imagination of something, then you can actually see it easier.
21:16
So it's working really with the brain and it's not eye exercises.
People always think it's eye exercises.
That's not what it is.
So that's really the foundation of all, you know, natural vision improvement.
It's the discoveries.
And now with neuroscience and MRI scans and all the things that we have, we can track a lot of these things way better.
21:35
Yeah.
That's fascinating.
Why, if we look up the Bates method, why does he take heat online now?
Wikipedia, I mean, it's, I think, I know I'm not a conspiracy theorist to be honest, but I think that is also a billion dollar industry related to glasses, contacts, sunglasses, all these things.
21:53
So, you know, here's the thing, what you do, you know, I don't like the word biohacking, but what you do is like what we both do is like we are teaching people different lifestyle habits.
What can you do?
You know, and most people don't want to do that.
Most people are just I want to take the pill or whatever.
22:10
I want to do the quick fix.
And that's why, you know, I heard and I'd have to say once, well, if it would work, everybody would do it.
I'm like, first of all, you guys and not that, but you guys are actually one people that always say it doesn't work to all your patients.
And when they come back to you and have improved vision and they said they did this.
22:28
Oh, I must have measured wrong the first time.
Literally all the things that my clients tell me.
Then also not everybody will do it because it's work.
You have to be willing to look at yourself.
You have to, you know, eat a better diet.
You have to just create better habits.
22:43
You have to look at your beliefs about yourself.
You know, like all these emotions, emotions are big factor and vision problems.
Because I'm curious what happened 8 months ago when you told me like things got worse.
And I know a little bit that's changed for you around 8 months ago.
But I'm like, you know, like we're looking at all these things really.
23:03
Does that make sense of?
Course it does, of course, I mean, and I would join with you and that yeah, it's just such a triggering term, you know, is there a group of people conspiring top down?
I I would generally tell you that it's more or less unconscious capitalism and gross negligence that people are sort of a company is a machine, it's feeds, it needs the almighty dollar and it can't flatline.
23:26
Companies know growth or they know dying.
So we take shortcuts.
We all do it in different ways.
So I join with you in that I, I understand it's a tough topic for people to swallow.
And I think whatever bias you want, you could probably go find it, given the Google algorithm is basically going to reconfirm whatever you're looking for, right?
23:43
Right.
Exactly, but I do want to say one thing that was an actually several articles in the LA Times also bought the glasses mafia because it's now just I forgot the names for two or three companies in the world.
And the pricing is literally as over 1000% marked up to what it actually cost to make these glasses.
24:01
And when I worked with my clients, I always, you know, we always determined together.
They measure their vision.
They kind of work with the eye doctor if needed.
But you can now order glasses online for like, you know, depending on the strength of even if you're near sighted, but you can get lost online for like 1020 bucks.
No need to pay like 405 hundred 6.
24:18
I mean, I had a client who told me $1500 for a pair of glasses, you know, and there was a great book, by the way, written by so-called and we can talk about this behavioral optometrist.
They do vision therapy.
That's not something I do with therapy is something that these behavioral optometrists do and they've written a book talking about how glasses are not that we basically they are not safe because it's like people it's vision usually gets worse once they start wearing glasses and they're like, how have we accepted this as a form of treatment?
24:48
You know, and then people pay happily every year to get make their condition worse.
How have we accepted this?
So glasses are necessary for many people.
I'm not saying that all glasses are bad, but that idea that that's the only approach and that we are like, OK, making it worse and paying all this money, that to me is just insanity.
25:06
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's, I think it's finding a belief system where you either have an experience or you have a story in your immediate community where you've witnessed the natural intelligence of the body take over and start to correct some of these things, be it severe autoimmunity or weight loss.
25:23
We we could say the same thing for weight loss, right?
It's like, well, you know, if if everybody knew how to lose weight, they would all do it.
They would just stop eating crap.
But that appears to be not working for us.
While that's like the big elephant in the room right now.
25:40
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I do not care, sorry.
It's great.
All good.
There was a commercial, but I don't.
Know the teams who won?
Who I actually used to work in advertising Friday.
You don't know that about me, but I used to work for many years as an art director in advertising.
25:56
I was always a very visual person, and so I would watch it for the ads because I think creative advertising is really cool.
But I did not.
So tell me.
Yeah.
Well, the, the process is so I'm really fascinated this because I, I do, you know, I work in the world of consulting as well.
I work with companies and tech and it is fascinating.
26:13
It what pushes people to pick up a phone or make a decision.
And one of the books I'm reading right now is looking at the idea of you need to make people angry.
You need to make 80% of your audience angry.
And then 20% are going to be like, oh, I love that.
26:30
But if you have this benign response across the board, nobody's going to really love you.
Nobody's going to hate you.
You're just going to ride in the middle and your impact will be limited.
So I thought that was interesting.
The guys like, oh, you have to piss people off.
Oh.
Yeah, and advertising, you have to polarize, otherwise it's boring, it's vanilla.
26:46
It's like the 99% of the ads that you see that just are not interesting 100% and without.
Mentioning any names in our space, you know, there are people that I've watched become very popular and I'm like, man, they, I feel like they're going crazy.
27:02
And now after I'm reading all these books, I'm like, wait a minute, They're getting coached to say things that are very triggering and polarizing because it draws eyes in on them.
I mean, it it's you can't help but do it and agree, disagree, you're clicking your liking.
27:18
Even if you're giving that person shade in their comment section, you are helping the algorithm to feed more people in.
So it definitely works.
Maybe I need to be more polarizing.
You know, honestly, I always feel like coming from your authentic self, that makes the most sense.
27:34
And yeah, anyway, that's a different discussion.
But yeah, how you see it's a different.
Discussion part of my.
Work is your life vision.
You know, we look at Iki guy, we look at like, why are you getting up in the morning?
Because when you look at the sorry, I just interjected here, but when you look at the blue zones right then, but not blue zones.
27:50
Have you seen that on Netflix?
I did.
Yeah, yeah.
Have you noticed that barely anybody wears glasses?
So but they all have this purpose.
They all have this plan.
De Vida Costa Rica are the Iki guides like this idea.
There's a purpose.
There's a reason that I get out every morning and I think why do we get cataracts at 65?
28:09
Why is that sold?
Why did we lose some of the near vision as we get little old?
Like why they're from a purely emotional standpoint.
It's like we're kind of detaching ourselves a little bit.
Like we, you know, like.
And cataracts is a clouding of the lens, you know, and Louise Hayes, that there's no joy.
28:26
That's like a dark future.
So a lot of times people are like, what now?
Like now I'm 65 kids out of the house.
Like I'm very tired.
Like what now?
And I think that it's a huge piece that we need to look at.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you not want to see?
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
28:43
I know it is work that is sometimes uncomfortable and I will say not meant for everybody.
But if you do have the courage to look at some of those the energetics of why things are changing in your body or, you know, if I'm going to say everything's a miracle, I have to look at why cancer was called into my life as a form of growth, as a catalyst for change.
29:02
Back to I derailed us a little bit with the Bates method, but the natural vision therapies.
So what are some techniques or some tools you may use to work with a client that could improve vision right now?
I mean, targeted every day, everywhere I go, I'm getting these ads for the glasses with the little holes in them all over.
29:22
And they're like, oh, the.
Pin holes, The pin holes, they're like where?
Are these glasses 20 minutes?
Your vision will be great, no?
OK, so pin hole glasses, by the way, guys, those are the glasses with the little holes in them and basically what they do.
You know how the light, light gets reflected everywhere, right?
29:37
So when you squint, right?
When you squint, when you try to do this, you basically it's like you make a little hole with your finger.
You basically try to bundle the light already and kind of point it like make it more.
I don't express myself well, but you get the point.
It's like less straying around, it's more focused.
29:53
So that's what these glasses do and they can be a great transition for somebody who wants to, who is in glasses already wants to transition out of the stronger glasses.
You can't use them for driving, but some of my people like them for going on a walk because they might be light sensitive.
They also block a little bit of that light versus putting sunglasses on for reading, for watching TV.
30:12
But wearing those is not going to teach you anything about how to use your eyes properly and how to integrate with the brain.
But they can be a great tool, you know, because they give you this instant clarity for up to three diopters minus or plus based on the size of the holes.
30:28
So first of all, I want to be very clear, I'm not doing therapy.
So vision therapy is done by behavioral optometrists, sometimes called newer optometrists.
They usually work with fusion problems where people, especially kids, they have the eyes don't work together.
One eye goes out one night.
30:44
So they usually focus on those things.
What I do like one of the things that we do is reducing light sensitivity because when you are near sighted, fast sighted, astigmatism, most of the cases there is a level of light sensitivity.
So we getting we slowly doing techniques like sunning, which we start with closed eyes to the back to the sun even sometimes.
31:04
But eyes are light receivers.
It's like when you say my ears are sensitive to sound.
I just want to run about with earmuffs all day.
Like the eyes need to be able to receive light.
OK, So we need to train the pupillary reaction.
So the pupillary reaction is how quickly do the pupils get small when bright light comes in, how quickly they open up.
31:23
Night driving is one of those things that people complain about.
I can't drive at night.
So when you actually stop wearing sunglasses, and I always say with a disclaimer, like extreme conditions, sunglasses skiing, you know, on the ocean, totally fine.
Or if your pupils don't constrict, some people take drugs or they have a problem by the pupils don't constrict and bright light.
31:43
You really need to wear sunglasses because your macula is not the nature is just smart right out the the pupils are the built in sunglasses.
So we do that.
We rest the eyes a lot.
We also, you know, rest in your eyes doing something called palming where you close your eyes and then also eye movement and eye movement is this pocket times of eye movement.
32:04
One of these eye movements is called socatic eye movements and they have the little like think of the heartbeat of the eye.
So the faster your psychotic eye, the heart run slower.
But we want the psychotic eye movements to be super fast, just like breathing and blinking.
32:19
We can optimize those things.
We can blink more, we can breathe better because the brain needs oxygen and we can improve the psychotic eye movement.
So I teach specific techniques for that.
And then one of the things is looking up close, looking far away.
How do the eyes accommodate?
32:35
And then how do the eyes work together?
So some of these things that could call them exercises, but I prefer the what relax the sizes or techniques or practices and ideas that all these things eventually become habits.
Like I don't spend, it's like when you change your diet, initially you need to learn how do I replace this with this?
32:54
How do I make healthier versions of this food, right?
You need to study labels.
You need to, but eventually you know how to make healthy food.
You don't have to invest.
You know what I mean?
Like you.
So it's the same with vision improvement.
Initially you have to undo all the things that got you to this place.
33:10
And for some people, it's 80% emotional stuff.
For some people, it's mostly habits, like, you know, how the posture on the computer, progressive glasses, which is those bifocals, they lead to postural problems that can actually create astigmatism.
33:26
Astigmatism is related to posture.
So we have to look like, what is the thing that screwed you up?
You know, like that was the main reason that your vision got blurry.
And for a lot of people, it's also really extreme stress.
It's physical, mental, emotional stress that can lead to vision problems.
33:44
Yeah, I mean, I also think about this idea that from a particle physics energetic standpoint, like there's not really separate even though the table feels firm and I feel the chair on a small particle scale, we're all one.
34:00
And, and if we think about like the collective temperament of the pandemic and the election and the wars, there's a lot energetically on the plate.
And for me, I'm an extreme empath.
When I first got sick, I had moved to New York City a month, the month of 9/11, right?
34:18
The buildings are still smoking.
And I, I would go home and not tell anybody, but I'd cry in the shower because I wasn't sad.
I didn't have an awareness about sadness, but I was picking it up on the subway and and it was visceral and I would off gas it and eventually it, you know, the camel broke and it was like autoimmunity severe, like whatever was going on my train.
34:39
But I'm aware of that and I can't imagine that's not having an impact right now, 100.
Percent across the board.
For all of US 100.
Percent.
I mean, I live in Los Angeles and so we had these fires in my house.
I wasn't affected, but we got these alarms to evacuate.
I had friends that stayed with me.
34:56
I know so many friends that lost.
I was so I couldn't even, I haven't felt this deep level of sadness and just, I don't know, also love for the city and the community and how everybody helps.
So I was going through the roller coaster of emotions that I have not expected.
35:12
Yeah.
And elections and all this other stuff, pandemic.
But my vision got blurrier too.
And I want everybody to know this, this.
I hate when people say fix your eyesight or correct your vision.
Yes, I don't need glasses, but vision fluctuates for everyone because your nervous system fluctuates and when you are in stress mode, you know, your pupils dilate, your peripheral vision shuts down your your heart rate goes up.
35:35
All these physical feet didn't happen.
And so we have to be very conscious.
Our vision is always best when we're in the relaxed state and relax doesn't mean like zoned out.
It's this relaxed, you know, and the R ring, right, tells us this kind of I think it causes engaged.
35:52
You engage, you're focused, you know, you're learning, you talk, but you know, so but you're relaxed.
You're not like stressed out, you know where you're in that high level of stress.
And so many of us are constantly in this level of stress by over consuming news, right.
36:07
And so where can be kind of focused, like with meditation, whatever it is that we need.
But get back to this sense of what you said, the sense of unity and love and that we're all one and it is steady.
It's steady war.
I mean, you know, I'm not going to lie, I go through the roller coaster too.
36:25
And I do notice that my vision is getting worse when I'm in those or when I went through the divorce or, you know, any kind of things that really shake us up.
And I always, and this is something I want to ask you to like, doesn't matter if you have pressed biopia or you've got glasses and childhood.
36:41
But what happened like, let's say six months, a year, 2 years before you got your glasses and more often than not, when you tune in.
Oh yeah, I just had it.
You know, we had, I did the whole episode on emotions with my coach Trisha, who was really good with the.
36:57
She's an intuitive person and we talked about the emotions and how especially eye diseases, there's always the correlation to for some people, that's a big one.
And other people have physical risk factors plus the emotional things happening.
But that's we cannot ignore those things because it's all like the toxic cocktail of physical stuff and toxins and diet and, yeah, you know, news.
37:22
All this stuff affects us deeply.
Yeah.
How do you keep everything in balance for you?
Because I know at times I've allowed myself to fall down a rabbit hole and become hyper fixated on mercury toxicity or spirochetes from Lyme.
37:39
You know, I can be like that is causing the 100% of my pain and I must, you know, either eliminate this bacteria or I need to D bird in my my brain from mercury, which ironically.
So now that we're talking about this is really funny.
I will tell you that I've been playing around with a new binder to move metals probably 6 to 8 months ago and I was doing 1 system for a while.
38:04
I definitely overburdened myself because I kind of got in this loop where I was like wasn't sleeping great.
And then I just am finishing a month of the Quicksilver Scientific Advanced Push Catch and that is kidney care, liver sauce, a binder, glutathione cell membrane mend.
38:23
And two weeks into that, my hearing was so sensitive at night after my second dose, I was like somebody chewing in a room or setting down a fork on a plate.
It was like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Now at the end of the month, because I'm now kind of at the end of the month, it was like 10 days on, four to five days off, 10 more days.
38:44
It's pretty much gone.
So whatever was moving through the system and I'll say I basically manage that just through daily meditations and breath work.
I mean, you know, all the stuff I do, I'm like, obviously I'm doing sauna, cold red light, all the bio hacks in the world, flopresso every week.
39:03
But I will tell you, committing to a daily practice, especially when my body is like wanting a stimulant to push through the next interview or assignment.
Like today before our thing, I was like, Nope, I'm getting on the hydrogen gas.
39:18
I'm going to breathe hydrogen, I'm going to do new calm and I'm going to do a vagal stimulator, lay down on the couch and I, I was like, Oh my God, I feel amazing.
And it was just 20 minutes.
I wasn't there for an hour, but I just really felt the clarity and like I was like, wow, my cup is filled.
39:35
Amazing.
I didn't feel tired or like I wanted to go sleep more and I didn't sleep.
I just was still and I was kind of doing some visualizations about love and some other things.
But that's how I would like work with that as it was coming up.
Well, I have my protocols too, but I also, you're right, it's a tricky question because sometimes, you know, we get obsessed with that data.
39:58
I have a blood glucose monitor in my arm and.
And it's great information, but sometimes I also like, I want to like just remove all these things and just be like, I sometimes, you know, things like going to Joshua Tree National Park where there is no cell reception.
40:15
And you're like, and I haven't done that in a while, but I feel like I'm really craving, like being in nature and not knowing anything and just really tuning in because that's this fine line of like analyzing everything and trying everything and looking at symptoms.
And yes, I do.
I sometimes drink coffee too much.
40:31
Like today I just had One Cup, right?
But yeah, yes, sometimes I do that and I do fall into the, OK, let's drink another cup of coffee versus doing the rest.
And there's days where I don't meditate because I overslept, whatever.
But I also think, you know, we have to forgive.
40:47
I was like, there's also this level of being too perfect and actually glaucoma as an eye disease related to perfectionism and putting so much pressure on yourself and, and sometimes let like, do you know what I mean?
Like by catching yourself where you don't want to slide into like, oh, now I need the stimulants.
41:03
And now I did these things really tuning in, like, why do I really hungry?
Do I really need to eat something?
Or is it just something I want to bury under the rugs?
And that's why I want to eat the bag of chips, whatever, right?
Tuning into those things is really a really important, but I think it's also OK to like sometimes things happen.
41:22
Like when the fires happened, I opened the bag of chips.
So I was like, you know what?
But then I caught myself, you know, a couple of days after that.
And my I do track my sleep.
But I think finding the sweet spot of tracking these things but also not going completely bananas can be tricky.
41:40
Yeah.
When you work with people, do you encourage people to have some type of an apparatus to track nervous system tone and sleep?
I mean, I do online courses right now, so we recommend certain tools, but I haven't, I don't really.
41:55
I mean most of the time I say also journal, like sometimes just journaling is good and we do, I mean it's always this tricky different line when you work with a bigger group of people, you know, in a lower ticket program, you know, but I do say that's the ordering.
42:10
That's these things that you can do.
We talk about blood glucose monitors because diabetes and other pre stages of diabetes are the leading cause of blindness.
So, and people are like, why did you get a cataract 60%?
If you have any like blood sugar unbalances, you are the 60% higher risk to get a cataract.
42:28
So I talk about those things, but not necessarily so much to track it, but I do want to eventually create an app.
I do want to, I want to like, I'm like you.
I think all of us curiosity people, we have a little bit of ADD like it's sometimes it's just like, hey, what is the next big important thing was I want to do this, I want to do an app, I want to write a book, I want to do a Ted talk.
42:47
I want to yeah, do you know what I mean?
So my next step is the certification program because I want more people trained in this.
And that's my number one thing.
But sometimes bringing back the focus of like, because you have energy, I have energy.
Sometimes it's.
43:03
I'm a manifesting generator and human design, if you know what that is, I can just do.
Yeah, right.
Right.
We can't.
We don't need anybody.
We don't need anybody.
We can pull all this off by ourselves, but then we might have burned ourselves out.
So yeah, it's a blessing and a curse sometimes.
43:19
Yeah.
It's funny, I'm listening to a couple.
There's there's been some people to come into my orbit.
One woman I'm going to connect you with my friend Sam Altieri, Sam Altieri podcast.
I hope I'm saying that, right?
I went to her mastermind here in Austin.
And I mean, basically what she does is she's like a visionary.
43:35
She's a channel.
So she could look at somebody like you or me.
She's like, Oh my God, you need to do this and this and this.
And I'm really called to work with a team.
I've proven to myself I can do it on my own.
I can make a fine living on my own.
I like people, I like collaboration.
43:51
I like especially when you have somebody that's really like can take what you did and they can take it 2 steps further.
That's very attractive to me.
And I was like, oh, that's like, so I'm right now I'm kind of like, who is that person for me?
What is that team?
Where are they?
44:06
So I'm like, I'm looking and I'm listening for that to come in right now and I'm excited about it.
Yeah, I'm working on that as well because I it's, yeah, like I said, I could, I've done all these things for many years myself and, and I raised $2.00 on my own and I worked, I started this business like while I was working in advertising full time at the same like.
44:26
So you know, there's a point where like how and you know, I'm going to be turning 64 next, in two weeks actually.
So I'm like, well, what do I want to do with the rest next 20-30 years, right at some point reflecting back want to do and that's why I think having a team and I love I don't know if you know more Mary Morris, the dream builder, but she's I think she's in her 70s and her whole family works.
44:49
Her whole family is like is part of the company.
It's just an amazing and she has this energy and she tells you can see how happy she is doing this event.
But does she work crazy hours every day?
I don't know, but that's I don't want to do that.
But I also don't can't imagine myself just sitting there as a retiree and like doing a cruise or something.
45:08
I would be bored out of my mind, no?
No, yeah.
And I, I like, I do like the off I, I like what this format offers me as far as connection and learning and engagement, but I like it even more in person.
Oh.
Yeah, me too.
You know that's.
That is why I like going to these events.
45:25
You know, I'll go to all the Wellness events across the country this year.
I'll go to 10 or 20.
And I'm always learning from people, you know, always so funny because my girlfriend's an introvert and I am.
So she was like, how are you doing this?
And I'm like, by the end of the day, I'm like on a rocket ship.
45:42
I'm like, I could keep going.
You know, I don't get tired at those shows because people are like, the energy is like, me too.
But we're extroverts, right?
We're extroverts.
I thought I was an introvert because I was so shy because of my glasses.
But then I realized I'm more of an introverted extrovert.
45:58
Like when I go to events, I'm not usually the one.
Hey, you know, volunteer.
They need a volunteer.
I would never raise my hand, but I I thrive with people like you and but more like at these events more in these like kind of smaller settings, but I can go to big events too.
46:14
So I think that's the extroverted ability.
And that's interesting because just to say this, when you think about the emotional state, so near sightedness is more connected to a sense of fear and anxiety.
Like you literally don't want to see.
And far sightedness is more this like almost like anger or curiosity.
46:30
You're always pushing out.
You're always out there.
When it comes to the two of us, I would be like more, hey, how are you doing?
We are more concerned with the other person than us.
So sometimes we just focus more.
And then you're sided person is usually more focused on themselves and not so much on it.
46:46
So I find that very, very interesting.
A lot of times how people behave.
And I find more introverts a little bit nearsighted then, yeah.
Claudia had talked to me about like in this world of biohacking and optimization and tech, like what tech, if there's any, have you ever experimented with that you've seen supportive either to vision directly or maybe it's 2nd and maybe it's just mitochondrial function?
47:12
I mean, when it comes to like how they mean there's something on the iPhone where you can put in if you get it too close, right, it tells you screen distance, it's too close.
That's helpful.
In the settings, it's called St.
Screen Distance.
I have a shortcut in my control panel.
OK, I'm not trying to do it, but like it's an accessibility thing where you can turn it red at night.
47:31
So it's you set it up and it's part of the accessibility thing.
So I use those things.
There's a call app called Glasses Off that was developed at UC Berkeley that is for presbyopia where it's like you have to react really quick.
You have to find see the letters and how they turn.
47:47
And I've played around with that for a little bit.
So there is some apps also for binocular problems with red blue.
So I feel like that could be some useful apps that train the visual system a little bit.
But I usually feel like doing it in real life.
I usually tell all my clients to use visual skills in real life versus doing so much with apps, but I feel like could be helpful.
48:09
I've worked with I have an infrared panel.
I usually try to go outside instead of doing intra red panels.
I'm not so much I know you have all the gadgets in the world.
I'm not really interested in this, but I'm also and that could be really hard and I think sweating is good.
I actually don't have a sauna.
48:25
My parents where I grew up in Germany, we hadn't actually finished sauna in the house.
So I would use to go as into the sauna as a kid.
But then one day I had too much food and I really, I got super sick and threw up.
And after that I didn't want to go in the sauna anymore.
But that's really helpful.
Sweating is helpful.
48:41
Definitely important.
Are you?
Coming to either health optimization or Dave Asprey's event this year, I'm.
Speaking at Health Optimization, OK.
Great.
So I'm right down the road like 15 minutes.
So we're we have to.
Connect how the facade well both of.
Those will have a party here and we have AA12 person ceremonial finished sauna with a stove and wood burning and a coal plunge and all those things.
49:04
So we'll definitely we'll do that like one of the I wanna I would love to do it the setup day before the show so everybody's not spent.
So keep that.
I will bookmark, you know right?
Away, let me know right away because I think I'm flying on the I'm going to fly on the 11th.
But if it's the day before, let me know what day it would be.
49:21
I would love to do that.
I mean, I lived in Mexico for a few weeks and there was a cold plunge and I have to tell you, I mean nobody likes and I know the dopamine rewards and all the things, but I 10 times to sauna and then maybe jump in the, you know, in the winter I would just jump in the snow.
Cold plunders I've.
49:38
Done it a couple of times.
I don't know.
I just.
Yeah, it's not.
For you, no.
No.
Great.
Yeah.
Great.
Yeah.
I love it, you know, it's one of my favorite things to do A, to build community because it's, you know, it's one thing to do by your own in the morning when it's cold out and it's might be snowing right now or something or sleeting.
49:59
And you're like, am I really doing this cold plunge job by myself?
But when everybody's Chatty Cathy and the sauna and you're, you know, and then you're, you're cheering each other on and there's good music going.
It's more about the environment.
It's more about the milieu we've created as opposed to just cold plunge.
50:15
But I, I think the science is strong and I have, I will tell you I was terribly maladapted to cold after going through especially the autoimmunity and all the surgeries.
And I'm not.
I mean, I was just in Montana skiing.
It was 1° and I was out from I was on the hill from 9:30 to 3:00 PMI took one break.
50:37
I mean, but you.
Also, what you have to know though, Freddie, a lot of these studies are done with men and I so at this point I want to know what is the benefit for menopausal women?
Like my audience, 90, like out of 100 people that sign up for my course, usually I get like two or three men, but almost all them are menopausal women.
50:55
And sometimes I get women in the 30s or 40s or that, you know, that I'm not proactive.
But so then I'm curious, is there a difference, You know, when a home like, but I, I agree.
I mean, I wouldn't say no to a cold plunge ever, but it would definitely not be something that I want to incorporate in my day.
I do recommend warm and cool, like splashing of the eyes or compresses.
51:15
We want to stimulate the circulation.
Lymph massage, you know, I do that like lymph, all those things I do myofaster release.
I do.
I'm a big fan of massaging the faster and the muscle.
So I use little therapy balls and my, that's part of my methodology because everybody is so tense in the neck and their shoulders and we have to optimize.
51:34
So yes.
And I, I like the communal aspect.
And from there I would probably jump in, right.
But my point is, I'm not going to set up a cold plant at my house and do that every day.
No, no, I love it.
I I also think, you know, like we're saying, you know, introvert, extrovert, like manifest generator, you know, everybody has a different energetic type.
51:53
So I'm sure there's a person that's like that doesn't feel like a full hell yes with my body.
And you know what?
What I want to say Friday to sorry to cut you off, but people are always asking how often, how often should I do something?
How often give me the protocol And I find with high performing people, they want like the two minutes, like give me this protocol and I don't they don't usually see results because they see it from a purely mechanical versus OK tuning.
52:19
And like again, what is my emotional statement that caliber relax.
So I always say check it out.
Maybe you would be best with like upcoming.
Let's use the I rest right.
Maybe you're the person who has I strain a lot and you should do it every time you feel I strain for like 30 seconds a minute.
Or maybe you're the person who would benefit by doing it for 30 minutes in the evening.
52:38
Like really.
So I want you to be Sherlock Holmes about your own vision and really TuneIn to like what?
Because if you get benefits in 2 minutes, why would you do 5 minutes?
To me, sounds stupid, but everybody is different and so I'd rather have people be I'm about tuned in.
52:55
I give you an example.
I had this exercise called the swing and it's about improving the psychotic eye movements.
And I had this guy who was a fitness instructor.
He owns several gyms.
He was like, OK, I did this drill every day, hundred springs for like, and I'm like, well, how did your eyes?
What did you notice?
I wasn't paying attention to that.
53:12
So you would see it as a purely and that's not how you get results with vision.
It's a sensory organ and it's brain based and we need to, yes, some of the mechanical things can be good, you know, focus near far.
But I usually get bought with these mechanical things.
I don't know about you.
53:28
I think they're incredibly boring.
So I make it more fun.
I make it more, play more games, really.
That's what I'm all about, yeah.
Yeah, I would join with you in that.
And I would just say, like all it's the energy behind the action to which you're entering in this experiment.
53:43
And there's this biology belief, you know, how much do you want to allow yourself to be fully present with the therapy or the exercise or the training regime and really have fun with it?
Science tells us we're going to get a better result.
So yeah, I mean, yeah, as much as I like the toys, believe me, there are so many people in my little silo that are multi millionaires and they have all the toys and they are no better than they ever were when they started because they managed to bypass the gift in the moment of being in the present moment.
54:16
It's really, I think that is a universal truth that keeps coming up for me.
When you talk about she talked about tech a little bit, what about nutrition or nutraceuticals?
Is there a category of things you love for people to have present in their dietary platform to support eye health?
54:34
Yeah, I mean, we, we basically the eyes lead, They're the most sensitive organs.
That's why we find Lyme, mold, diabetes often in an eye exam because the eyes show these things first.
There are specific eye nutrients.
If you ever looked at eye vitamins, they have lutein, xanthan, astaxanthan.
54:50
Astaxanthan is a micro like an algae.
Lutein xanthan highest level than egg yolks or in kale and spinach.
So the dark leafy greens, I am personally plant based, I don't care what you are, but I think the foundation everybody needs to get a rainbow of all these like we need the better carotene, which is the precocet of vitamin A and that's the precocet of rhodopsin, which covers the rod cells.
55:14
The rod cells and the retina give us night vision and peripheral vision.
The cone cells, you know the ones I talked about in the macula, the shop vision and that they need lutein Z accent.
And so they need to get that for the diet.
And that's why you need to get all these different vitamins into the diet.
55:31
Omega-3 fatty acids, we know important for brain health.
Vision is part of the brain.
So getting that into your diet.
And honestly, I don't care if you eat salmon or like me, I eat chia seeds, flax seeds, hemp seeds, walnuts, whatever it is.
But you need to get these healthy fats into your diet and then also detox, right?
55:49
That is a huge connection to cataracts are often connected to lead exposure, mercury exposure to all the crap and the personal care products, you know, steroid drugs.
So a lot of times I had a woman that the other day, like my dog has cataracts and like that he had to take steroids.
Oh yeah, that's he had this hip issues, but the vet didn't say anything.
56:08
I'm like, well, you know, but that's the thing.
A lot of tobacco smoking, everything that's bad for you is even more bad for the eyes.
That's bad English.
But you get my point.
So, you know, I do talk about those things and I give you one story.
This is where I just don't get it.
56:25
So I had a guy called me from the hospital.
He said they just amputated my toes.
I have diabetic retinopathies.
I have cataracts, I have a glaucoma.
Can you help me?
I'm almost blind.
I'm like, yeah, I can help you #1 we're going to change your diet.
Never heard from the guy again.
I'm like, OK, it's your decision.
56:41
It's your eyes.
It's your life.
Yeah.
No, I had a woman on God, one of the social media platforms the other day reach out and just said, hey, what do you think about this?
And I know her.
She goes, what do you think about this herbal regiment for Bartonella, which is a Co infection of Lyme disease?
56:57
And you know, I said I like it, but you know, the first thing I'm going to ask you, she's like, I don't want to talk about that.
I was like, what are you?
Eating what's your alcohol consumption?
What's your sugar intake?
What are you eating times?
What are you windows?
She's like, I really want to focus on this.
I was like, well, then I, you know, go for it.
57:14
But you're going to spend all this money because it's expensive on this long protocol and we're not going to change this that you know what I'll tell people any question, just flood the body with good nutrients, good clean food, food that's been loved, food that's covers your nutritional bases.
57:32
There's a million ways we can do that now.
But I don't, I have not found a supplement that's like, oh, this one does this for all these people.
Because again, in 100 people in a room and we if we want to mark people with MS. everybody's got a different metabolic type of metal load and environmental toxicity.
57:51
They're all be different.
So their disease.
We wouldn't look at that disease profile or approach that person in the same way.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's tough.
It's tough to I find it's tough to I don't coach anymore.
I don't do one on ones because I got to a point where I felt because I'm doing other things that it was a disservice because I, what I really found is like, wow, this person really do you need a person who is just focused on you and your journey and you're going to be with that person to get the results that you want.
58:21
But I was getting more and more people.
They're like, no, I don't.
I just want to know what, you know, device to buy.
I just want to know what supplements to take.
I just want to do a one and and that's very, I never had people getting amazing results that way sometimes, but most of the time I'm like, this is a total paradigm life shift.
58:40
You know, you're experiencing illness.
Because again, we, if we want to look at those guiding principles of nature, we're out of alignment with probably 6, not one, right?
And so it's a bigger game.
It's a bigger game plan, I do.
I want to say two more things.
So what I found helpful is carbon 60.
58:56
So I've been recommending that especially with inflammation in the eyes, carbon 60 is a great way to, you know, help reduce oxidative stress, especially with any retinol.
And then Castor oil.
I use Castor oil more like I around the eyes and I help.
It just feels like a really good I do liver packs, so I use that.
59:14
I recommend that.
And talking about private coaching, I stopped doing that three years ago because I actually saw people in Group programs getting better results.
The private people like, oh, can we postpone the session then other things happen.
But in the group program with a clear beginning and an end as community that support everybody is going through together.
59:31
And that's what why I changed that as well, because you know, and we are features of habit.
I mean, let's face it, making those changes, if you don't have a big why, you know why it's important for you to do those things, it's just easy to fall back into old habits.
And so, yeah, and then that's why I'm like, it's called supplements for a reason.
59:51
It's supplementing things, you know, that you might not get from the food as that's, and Jeremy would say it's not replacing a good clean diet and water filters.
All those things are important.
So we do coach people on that, like how can you reduce the toxic burden?
1:00:06
But at the end of the day.
That's why I'm not such a gadget person for myself, because people just everybody wants to know what supplement should I take, What is it?
What do you think about infrared?
Whatever things I'm like, yeah, it's great.
But you can also just go outside and get your free infrared.
Yeah, you know.
1:00:23
Yeah.
I'll tell you, living where you live now, I get to coach you for a little bit just because we can, because you're in LA, because you're in the area and because you've been around the fires.
One of my favorite portable saunas is the Theracage sauna, which Yeah, I.
Want to get one your head?
1:00:39
Pops out and you slide it under the bed and it's under 1000 bucks and it's good.
I mean, you sweat.
You mean you sweat like a pig and it doesn't take up any space.
I've been.
Meaning to get 100%, you know, I do want to, I want to get back to that regimen 100% yes.
That's a great longevity one, Claudia, who's your ideal avatar to go into one of the group coaching programs or or take some of your content or your courses online, I mean.
1:01:04
Ideally, you do it before vision.
I have sometimes people who just start like you, they just have a little bit of blood in your point and they're going to be proactive.
That would be ideal because then it's so much easier.
But most of the time we get women over 4550, they get frustrated with the glasses, like hearing the same thing from the eye doctor, paying like hundreds of dollars for these.
1:01:26
They notice every time I do a webinar, I'm like, oh, did you also like this or this, this or this?
And were you really confused and stressed when you had to make a decision?
Yes.
Did you get the glasses and they were too strong and make you dizzy?
And the eye doctor said, oh, just give it a couple of weeks and you're going to get used to that.
1:01:41
Yes.
And did that feel good?
No, You know, And so I kind of educate people on these things, saying no to these stronger glasses, saying no to this progressive glass that calls pause, dizziness, astigmatism, and we slowly unraveled some of the things.
1:01:56
But ideally you would do all this before it starts with sometimes you have it have to experience and you have to know that you just feel that decline and you're like, oh, you see your parents.
A lot of times they see their parents losing their vision or getting blind.
So but that's I would say the ideal avatar is willing to look at themselves to also connect on all these levels physically, emotionally, mentally to that vision to be maybe being uncomfortable for a while, maybe using two different pairs for one pair for driving, one for computer or reading of class.
1:02:28
If they need glasses, right?
There has to be a willingness.
And I see friends of mine like, Oh, I need to do your thing.
I'm like, forget about it.
You're never going to do it because you think your glasses are sexy or cute.
You want to wear your sunglasses all the time.
Like, you know, no, you're not going to get see results because it's somehow not important to you.
1:02:49
Yeah, yeah, don't wait.
I mean, back to the top of the podcast, you know, it's not your eyes, it's your brain.
So when we're taking care of these little organs right here, we're taking care of the brain.
I mean, that's, that's what I'm really hearing.
Yeah, that's.
What it is, and one of the thing I would say, because somebody said you should work with athletes and celebrities and they work with some of them, but they always say they might work out for an hour every day.
1:03:09
They meditate for 30 minutes.
They do that, whatever, cold plunge, all this stuff.
And then they're like give me something that takes 2 minutes a day.
I hate my glasses.
Give me something.
I'm like, that's not possible.
There's nothing that you could do 2 minutes a day and then you abuse your eyes to the rest of the day.
Sorry, it's not possible.
1:03:27
Go buy your glasses.
Goodbye.
Have luck.
Good luck.
Yeah.
Lifestyle.
Lifestyle, lifestyle adjustments across the board.
When I know the answer to this question is going to be, it depends, but I want to ask it anyway.
If somebody like me, we're going to come in and I was like, hey, I want to, I really want to, this is important to me.
1:03:46
It's something that I, I want to at least halt or I don't want it to get any worse, I want it to get better.
Is there a timeline in which somebody could see improvement based on their level of commitment?
Yes, 100%.
I mean, we've seen improvements within a week or two or three weeks happening, especially if you do it proactively before you wear glasses, 100% that can be pretty quick.
1:04:09
But it also really depends like what is your current life like?
Because if you do all the supportive things you're already doing, if you are removing stress, if you're acknowledging those things, then yes, you can see pretty fast results.
I mean, we also get people really fast out of the strong glasses and sometimes they just wear glasses that are like way lower and they're like, I can see everything.
1:04:29
Like why was I wearing these strong glasses?
So, you know, I, I have everybody measure that vision also, because all you need is a, you know, it's an eye sign that's up there.
It's a smell to just measure your vision.
You can just use, you don't have to have all these fancy machines to measure visual acuity when it comes to peripheral field tests and ocular, you know, some of those things you need to see eye doctor.
1:04:51
But I also tell everybody, go see eye doctor because I want to make sure that your eyes are healthy.
Some of those things, you know, we kept a catch early, but you can measure your visual acuity with a.
We just stick an eye chart on the wall and step 1020 feet away and read the chart.
1:05:06
And then, you know, you know, you know where you are.
And maybe your glasses are way too strong.
A lot of people have glasses.
They're way too strong because glasses are supposed to correct you for 2020 and not to 2015 or 2010, you know?
So yeah, learning about this, understanding reading prescriptions is something I teach.
1:05:24
People are like, I don't know what all these numbers mean, and it's not rocket science, really.
Yeah, yeah.
One more question I want to ask, just I want to be aware of the hour and and I know you have a time commitment when we talk about like the visual field and improving vision.
One thing I did when I had really a really bad mold exposure, I did a test called the visual contrast test.
1:05:46
And it was, it was basically looking at like a square of dots and there'd be a symbol and then you could see it here and then it would get fainter and fainter and they wanted to see how far you could go.
And every time I did it, they're like, wow, they're like you were exposed to some type of an, a mycotoxin or an endotoxin is currently in your system.
1:06:02
Are you familiar with that test and and do you understand?
Could you explain how that works for the audience I have?
Heard a little bit about it but I'm not super familiar about this test but I now I want to know more.
Yeah, it was a test.
Richie Shoemaker originally did it and and I think his work, it was just such a high correlation with people who did not pass the visual contrast test.
1:06:22
And you can get a subscription, you can take like 10 of them for like 20 bucks online.
I don't have the link.
Maybe we'll find it for the show notes.
But I definitely want to go back and do that again and be really interesting because that's something I do is I test my air quality in my home, you know, every six months really.
1:06:40
I don't assume that there's not some new leak or something because I've had so much experience with that.
And I know moving around and building qualities are constantly going down to be more affordable unconscious capitalism.
And that's a more and more prevalent thing that I'm seeing.
Most people have some level of mycotoxin in their system, which is stressing mitochondrial function.
1:07:00
And that makes.
Sense because part of that is also when you have press biopia, the contrast ability goes down too.
So that would be I would be very interested in that to see those in the air quality test.
So I, I'm not on that level of what you are with all these different tests, but what I teach is more behavior changes, you know, relaxation, all these level using the eyes based on eye anatomy, engaging the brain, using your visual thinking, like imagining skills.
1:07:28
So we use a lot of those things.
I do bring on guest experts also sometimes to talk about some of those things like we have EMS or other things because it could also get like really big in terms of how many things do you expect somebody to change or do.
But I think it's my people, especially my membership.
1:07:46
They love you to hear about all these things and I do too.
So I think it's always important to learn it about another thing that you can do 100%.
Beautiful, beautiful.
Well, because it's the Beautifully Broken podcast and we look at these times where we fall down, how we pick ourselves back up.
1:08:01
Can I ask you what does it mean to you to be beautifully broken?
I think it means that we can always put things together.
I was just at a hotel near Legoland and Legoland Lagos always remind me like you take them apart, you put it back together.
So I like that idea of, you know, like I said, my vision also responds to things about me and how I feel at my stress levels.
1:08:24
But understanding that that's something that is a reaction to something versus, oh, I'm just getting older, it's normal.
So I think that's really what it means is that being aware of these things and then you can take action.
And sometimes you need a coach or a guy to help you with that.
Yeah, and if you had a magic wand and you could wave it to all the TV screens in the world and they could TuneIn to channel Claudia, what would you say to the people of the planet right now if you could just give everybody a message?
1:08:51
Really connect to your heart because at the end of the day, you see from your heart, you know, you see through the lens of your heart is really how you see.
And once we kind of get that feeling of deep relaxation and love, that's one thing I would say.
And then also like don't believe that glasses are the only solution the blurry vision.
1:09:10
Beautiful.
And finally, where can people find you online if they want to learn more about your work?
So I have a website, naturallyclearvision.com and then I'm known as the holistic vision code on Instagram and YouTube.
And I have to say I'm not on TikTok yet.
1:09:26
I, I can't spread myself too thin.
But yeah, holistic vision code, Instagram on YouTube and then naturally clear vision.com.
And that's you said naturally clear vision.com.
Yes, that's my.
Website and that's also my methodology.
Yes, beautiful.
We'll we'll put all those in the show notes and give people a route to find you.
1:09:44
It was a pleasure having you on the show.
I'm sure we'll be back to do another one.
And fascinating topic.
And I just, I celebrate your work and what you're doing in the world I went to.
You Friday.
I really I always learned so much from you and I this is really like I'm like you.
This is makes me so excited.
1:09:59
Now I want to learn more about this.
There's a contrast test.
So yes, thank you so much for having me and letting me share this message with the audience.
Great.
And I will see you soon in Austin.
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