The Biohacker Babes

We’re sisters and we’re joining forces to empower you to become your own Biohacker, and upgrade your life.

Lauren and Renee grew up in a health-driven family that prioritized the fundamentals of wellness and self-care (don’t worry, there was lots of mac n’ cheese and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!). Their father, Gene Sambataro, The Original Biohacker and pioneer of Holistic Dentistry, taught them the importance of individualization and experimentation from a very young age.

Coming together as health entrepreneurs, Renee a Certified Nutritional Consultant and Holistic Lifestyle Coach with a Master’s degree in Nutrition, and Lauren, a Broadway performer, personal trainer and corrective exercise specialist, feel a strong passion and drive to not only share each of their journeys towards wellness, but their strategy and motivation to discover our unique bodies through the world of biohacking.

The Biohacker Babes podcast aims to create insight into the body’s natural healing abilities, strengthen your intuition, and empower you with techniques and modalities to optimize your health and wellness.

Episode Highlights

2:08 - The obsession with feeling well

3:44 - The sisters’ first memory of biohacking

7:35 - The gap between nature and our need for vibration plates

9:33 - The role of biohacking in a performer's life

15:03 - Some biohacking fails

19:20 - How fasting impacts women

23:12 - Guidelines for experimentation and safety

30:20 - The power of heat for healing

33:39 - Some light hacks

36:43 - You have $150,000 to upgrade a theater, go.

42:16 - Dealing with makeup on Broadway

45:20 - Addressing the imbalances performers and office workers develop

50:00 - A biohack that sent Freddie high for days

55:12 - “They’re not really issues, but just bad patterns.”

57:44 - Is there a limit to thinking a tool can help you?

1:00:58 - What does it mean to be a part of this biohacking community?

1:08:42 - Virus 2020

1:13:29 - What does it mean to be beautifully broken?

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (00:00.65)
And I think a lot of people want to say it was one thing that fixed it. Right. It was one, one hack, one pill, whatever. I can't, I had to address so many things at the same time and really put in the work. Right. I mean, emotional, physical, mental, everything biohacking back to nature. What am I eating? How am I sleeping? I had to address everything at once. It's a lot of work, but when you do it and you feel better, it's worth it.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (00:29.923)
Welcome to the Beautifully Broken Podcast brought to you by AmpCoil. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show, we discuss the common thread survivors share after walking through the fire, the practitioners making a difference, and the treatment modalities that deliver healing back into the hands of the people who need it most. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes. Because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (01:02.383)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. I'm so excited. I'm here with the one and only the biohacking babes. I have a close personal connection to this team of ladies who is creating awesome content around biohacking, upgrading human biology and working with the environment. But

They're a pair of the only women that I know that are making true strides in this field, which is predominantly a male dominated corner of the ring. So welcome Lauren and Renee. what's up? you. Wow, the intro. Oh, I'm so excited you guys are here. Mostly because, mostly because it's really fun to nerd out with other biohackers and people who are looking at

the body is, I often say a super computer. We have all these forms of input and what does the body do with the information and then how do we get the body to uptake that new information? Can we jump in and can you tell me a little bit about how you got started into this obsession with feeling good, looking good, being well, avoiding chronic illness? Go ahead and jump in.

I love that you led with the obsession to feeling well, because I think that's what this is really about. It's not about the way you look, though. That's like a very positive outcome from all of the stuff that we're doing. But Renee and I, we're sisters and we just want to feel our best. And that is what brought us into this. We each struggled in our own ways with different things. actually, we got into this because of our

family and our dad who we call like the original biohacker. He's a biological dentist, but he's been doing his biohacking stuff forever. Renee like remembers a lot of great stories, which she can tell from our childhood, but we were exposed to this stuff before we even knew what it was. And I just feel so lucky and so grateful that I had an introduction to this at such a young age, because I think there's so many people grow up.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (03:17.081)
and families that are not nurturing in that way, that they have no idea what health is. We grow up and become adults and we look out to the world, to social media, to like public opinion to find out what healthy is. Like once we start having pain or once we start having symptoms or like feeling shitty or not feeling good about our bodies. And I just think we're both so lucky that we kind of had that innate education from a very young part of our lives.

Well, let's talk about that for a second. Let's talk about young. Can you tell me your first memory of a biohacking experience or something where you guys brought in some technology to the home to upgrade your biology with your in relation to your parents? I remember getting like a PEMF mat like soon out of college, which is not as a child, but that's the first time I was like given something and I didn't really fully understand it. And now PMF is like blowing out of proportion. Like everyone's doing and talking about it.

Renee actually has an amazing story of us being much younger. Well, I mean, this isn't really technology, but I remember we came home from ballet class one night and dad had his head on the kitchen table with an ear candle. Mom was like burning flame on top of this. And we're like, what in the world did we just walk into? I mean, that's obviously not technology, but that was when we knew.

okay, dad's into some weird stuff maybe. Yeah. And then the next thing was the vibration plate, which, you know, similar to PEMF, know, vibration plates are like in every gym now. But I remember being in, gosh, don't know, maybe like fifth grade and my friends and I would go down in the basement and we would stand on the vibration plate because we thought it was fun. We're like, this is a cool toy. I don't know what it does, but. Now for people who don't know in the audience, can you give me the health benefits or can you explain a vibration plate?

Yeah, I mean, one of the biggest things that it does is it helps with the lymphatic system. So, you the lymphatic system is very important for immune health. But unfortunately, with most people being sedentary, there's nothing that's pumping the lymphatic system, right? Like we have our heart for the cardiovascular system. That's our pump. But the lymphatic system, unless you're exercising regularly, doing skin brushing, jump roping, things like that, you're not moving it. So the vibration plate is a great way for someone that's maybe

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (05:36.931)
not physically fit enough to exercise or they're elderly, you just stand or sit on the plate and it shake literally shakes your body, right? It vibrates down to the cellular level and it cleans out that lymphatic system. Yeah. Also great for someone that's injured, but also just to spark some joy like you experienced with your friends, Renee, like you probably made you giggle and that inherently was like health boosting to laugh and like enjoy yourself.

So I have a question about the plate. Is there a brand or a model that you really love or resonate? Because I've started to research vibrations plates over the last eight months and there are ones that vibrate side to side up and down. They oscillate on different planes and different frequencies. Have you ever taken a deep dive on vibration plates? I haven't, but I love the Juvent, which they have at Hacks Fitness right now. I can't scientifically tell you why.

Go ahead. Yeah. I was going to say the power plate. know his dad is now on like his second or third vibration plate because he wears them down so much. But I think the power plate, but I can't say why, you know, what research went into why he picked that one. Yeah. I just joined a fancy gym up here in Connecticut. I'm not going to say which one because it's a little pretentious. However, they have a power plate and it's, it's, is someone who has been through lime.

and toxic mold, feel noticeably better when I get on the vibration plate because stagnation in the lymphatic system is a big thing when you've been kind of in that pattern, long-term chronic illness. You know, one thing that I always hear my Lyme docs say is that people will come in having been through like rounds of antibiotics or treatment and they say all they needed to do to move this person forward was to clean out their lymph.

that they had a lot of deadline, had a lot of mold sitting in the body. So I guess my follow-up question is, what is it that we need vibration plates in this day and age? Why are people not getting the movement that they would normally need to necessitate the body's cleaning out of this natural system, which doesn't have a pump for a reason? So what's the gap there between nature and where we're at now needing this plate?

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (07:59.132)
That's easy. We're getting away from nature. We're sitting more, we're spending more time indoors. We are surrounding ourselves with EMFs technology and just moving away from nature. We're getting less grounding and grounding is the easiest way to get vibration, like connecting with the earth and how many people put their feet in the grass every morning. I remember my dad doing that from a very young age, walking outside barefoot and I thought it was crazy.

But he was out there like kind of doing his little stomp around. I'm like, what are doing in the grass? But no, that connection is really powerful and we're just not getting it. And then just being sedentary, we're not bouncing around. so another thing that we had in our house was, what's the trampoline called? rebounder, a rebounder where you get that lymphatic pressure to push the lymph out. Like my dad also was bouncing around on that thing. We thought it was hilarious. And then he eventually bought.

one for me and you know, through a lot of different illnesses, immediately felt better, more energy, lighter, brighter, all the things. Yeah, I think it's a great way. It's obviously low impact. And so the rebounder for people that don't know in the audience, it's basically like a mini trampoline. It's not going to bounce you super high, but it's low impact exercise and it's a way to move the lymphatic system. And so they're very affordable.

on Amazon, I'm gonna say around $100. I'm sure you can pay up to 300 bucks, but it's a great thing to bring into your life to just get a little movement depending on your physical ability. Renee, I wanna go over to you. And this is actually, you both get a chance to answer this question. both you and your sister are performers. You came up with a dance background, correct? Now, is in...

All this time of you being very obviously dancers were super athletes connected to our bodies, very aware of spatial recognition and relationships. Now tell me about some injuries that you might've used biohacking to move through as in your performing life. Yeah. So, I mean, we grew up doing mostly ballet, which was obviously very strenuous on the body. I ended up with

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (10:18.582)
sacroiliac strain when I was 13. And the doctor said, you know, just take a couple months off of dance, you'll be fine. I had a national competition around the corner. So I danced through it came out the other side with two stress fractures in my sacroiliac joint. Wow. So that put me out of commission for a while full back brace, you know, the, the surgeons actually wanted to fuse my spine.

Fortunately, my dad being the biohacker that he was back then said, absolutely not. We're not going to fuse her spine at 13. That's crazy. So then I went into, you know, acupuncture, massage therapy, PT, chiropractic, everything you could think of. And everything helped a little bit, but the one thing that actually really helped me was PEMF. And we're talking about like the heavy duty, what you would now see at like pulse centers. you know, Lauren and I talk about this a lot because I think the heavy duty PEMF

I don't know that that is something we should be doing every day as like a preventative thing. Might be a little too strong, but if you have a broken bone or a stress fracture, I'm a huge fan of it. I mean, I did three days of intense treatment and it was life-changing. Wow. That's incredible. I know, you know, for our listeners, there's all these types of pulse electromagnetic fields when we say PEMF and there's ones that are very, very gentle and in a way to describe the strength of PEMF is Gauss.

And Gauss is the density of the magnetic field. So you can have these machines that are as low as like a Beamer Mat, where it can be like 150 micro Tesla up to something like a Pulse Centers or a PMF 120 that can move a full Tesla, which is a million or a two million micro Tesla. So it's like, I tell people it's like pushing Play-Doh through a hole. Like you don't always need like a lot of force to get it through on a low frequency.

but it depends if you're going into this emergency situation, a bone break, you've been in a car accident, I think those devices and that technology can be really, really helpful. So that's something you use. Lauren, now you're still a biohacker and still a Broadway performer, correct? Yeah, both. They go hand in hand. Well, let's talk about Broadway and let's talk about some injuries that you've worked through using biohacking, because I think it's fascinating to relate it back to

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (12:40.212)
you know, where the rubber meets the road. Yeah. Well, since we're talking about PEMF, I've been pretty lucky. I haven't had any major injuries. I mean, a few setbacks here and there, but I've been a personal trainer just as long as I've been a professional performer. And so I've had this like a side-by-side educational journey where I can sort of like support my body and learn about my body. And I've been able to like rehab my body. So nothing major, but

As a biohacker, I've been experimenting a lot with a lot of different things and I won't say specifically what I use, but it was a type of PEMF and I'm pretty certain that it put me in an injured state. I know that's like kind of a big claim, but just talking about the difference in power and Gauss here on the PEMF spectrum, I think we really, really have to educate ourselves on what

the science is behind it and what it's doing to our body. is it, how is it stimulating us? Like I think a lot of us don't even really know what it's doing and you could be injured or you could just be trying to upgrade. And I think there's a wide spectrum between those two. And I use PEMF just to upgrade. And I think it put me in a vulnerable position. And then I went on stage, which is a rake stage at Wicked and I injured my ankle.

So it's hard to say, or it's hard to pinpoint exactly when and why that happened. But I do think there is this, you know, gray area where we really need to question what we're doing. And, you know, I'm really grateful that I had that experience because it led me to other amazing discoveries on healing the body, something like the newbie, the neurological biosimulator, which if you want, we can get into that. But I just have so many thoughts on like,

how to treat injuries, how to treat a relatively healthy, stable body. There's such a spectrum there. So we have to really be educators and keep asking the right questions. you know, we're here to try stuff. We are the biohackers who are hopefully like being the pioneers and leading, but we have this huge responsibility to take that information and that education and sort of weed through it and then like empower others to do, you know, the safe and right thing.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (15:03.768)
Well, let's talk about that for a second. You know, as somebody leading the charge, part of the attachment that goes along with that is the, put yourself at risk sometimes, I would assume, is trying some of these new technologies and dose, what the dose defines the poison. can you tell me about, you have any bio, aside from your ankle, do you have any other biohack fails that you've done, either of you? Ooh. I have one. Yeah, go ahead Renee.

I will say Prolon, the fasting mimicking diet. I talk about this a lot. I went into it knowing it was probably going to be a fail for me. But again, I'm not going to recommend something to a patient that I haven't tried. I'm just not open to doing that. So this is for anyone that's not familiar, Prolon, the fasting mimicking diet. It's a five day, essentially like a fast. It literally mimics a fast, but you're eating small amounts of food throughout the day, anywhere from like five to 800 calories a day.

Not ideal if you don't want to lose weight, which is my scenario. So within days I had lost too much weight and I had to then alter the protocol. But I got through it. I tried all the food. I know what it tastes like. I know what it feels like. And I would still recommend it to people, not someone like me and with my health issues. But you learn so much from that. I mean, there's so much opportunity even in these fails.

I welcome them. I'm so glad that I had that experience with PMF because it led me down this other path of so much more knowledge and I'm so grateful for it. I it kind of sucked along the way, but I'm so much better for it. Yeah. So, so along with the, the sidebar question that I want to ask is that, this, this fasting mimicking diet that you did, which I think the scientist who led that is it's Dr. Valter Longo.

Yeah, and I've done the Prolong Fast a couple times. of course, I designed my own with my own foods, sub, I think for a male of my weight, it was like sub 1000 calories for five days, low protein, no sugars, low fat. So we're trying to get our immune system or our body to go into the stage of autophagy and eat our bad microorganisms, bad cells, mold, what have you. And I felt really, really good.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (17:25.774)
from an inflammation standpoint. However, my adrenals got a little fried going through. And I would say myself, my recommendation for fasting is fasting. If we're using nature as a guiding principle, it's like, it's a time to rest. It's a time to step back. It's not necessarily a time to like be at your Broadway show and like be doing your HIIT workout and be running a startup. You know, there's a,

there's a beauty in fasting and it's really to like sit back and just be, you know, and I think that's the one thing like the diet's awesome. It allows you to get a little bit of calorie, get some fasting benefits, but then as far as like the guiding principle of nature and where this is something we just don't do in this country is give ourselves time to heal, time to be with a low caloric diet and what do you discover in that mindset? So I'm gonna throw this back to you, Renee.

Did you give yourself space to experience that low caloric five day window and just kind of treat your body or were you still trying to like push it? I cut back a little bit that week. Like I was only working from home. wasn't doing, I wasn't running at Orange Theory that week. So I cut back a little bit, maybe an extra hour or two of sleep every night. But I would have loved to like go away to a retreat in the mountains and like.

disconnect and do it. Maybe I would have been more successful. I don't know, because the weight loss was definitely an issue. But like you said, with the adrenals, I with my history of adrenal dysfunction, I have to be so careful with that. So I don't know, it's kind of a mix. But yeah, it's all about that added stress, right? Like fasting is so popular right now. But people are just so stressed. Like they forget that fasting is one more stressor they're adding to the pile. I actually had I had a woman write me

this last week and she was saying, listen, I'm doing everything. I'm on a keto diet. I'm doing sub this calories. these workouts and I'm like obese. Like tell me what I'm doing. And I'm like, just the way you said that I could hear like the vibrational intensity, like I'm doing everything. I'm doing everything. to her to take a breath, right? Right. So, so can we speak a little bit about, cause I talk about fasting a lot and it really does work for me. Energy.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (19:52.784)
brain function, clarity of thoughts and ability to just like exactly express myself when I'm in a fasted state. I usually don't eat till two or three in the afternoon. And this like past like 50 days, I've done the one meal a day thing. So much longer fast, I've made it work. That being said, it doesn't always work out great. And maybe this is what I hear, women have different needs. So can we talk a little bit about

women and the effect on a prolonged fast on the body. Cause you guys know more than I do. Oh yeah. Yeah. So we had a guest recently on our podcast, uh, talking about this cause we're certainly not experts, but I know personally that I cannot fast the way that you do Freddie. Like I know that we've hung out many times, like late morning, early afternoon. And you're like, I haven't eaten yet today. I'm like, I've had three meals. I could never. Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of science behind that. I would actually.

Sorry to plug, but direct everyone to our podcast with our guest, Kelsey Hess. She had a lot of great information about this. I will say that our hormones as women are very delicate and it's really easy to feel like every day of the month should be the same. And if you're like a go-getter, women feel like we got to keep going at it. But when we're in our cycle or when we are menstruating, that is a time to turn in, to do less.

to do the recovery or do the working in. And a lot of women like feel really bloated or have PMS or cramps or just like don't feel great. So they're like, I'm gonna go to the gym and like work it off or I'm just gonna like medicate and turn off those pain receptors or just like distract. But that is a time for I think intention, introspection and then like some quiet.

So it's really important to listen to that cycle and to really honor your body in those moments. Because not every day of the month is going to be the same. Beautiful. Renee, do you want to add on to that? Yeah, I was going to say, think like Lauren said, just be aware of what's going on. Every day, every week, it's changing with our hormones. There's certain times of the month that we can fast a little bit longer, maybe 14, maybe 16 hours.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (22:06.701)
There's weeks or a certain week where we need more carbs, right? Especially the five days before we start our cycle. And come on women, we've all experienced that, right? We want the pasta and the chocolate five days before our cycle and we feel bad about ourselves. Why do I want that? No, because you need carbs for the right hormones to start your cycle. So listen to that. Let yourself have those carbs those five days. And then when you start your cycle, you can cut back on the carbs. When you're ovulating, you can increase your fat a little bit. So

And one more thing to point out is the research has not been done on women fasting at a reproductive age. Right. And we talked about this in our podcast episode, all the research is done mostly on men and rodents. Easy to test, right? Who wants to test women that are starting their cycle on a different day? They have different hormones, different emotions, you know, no one wants to deal with that craziness. So there's no research. So that's where the biohacking component comes in. You have to tune into your body.

know your cycle, know what you need to be doing every day, every week, every month. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. So the other thing I want to just touch on here is there's an element of following the internal compass and then needing to, there's a degree of self-preservation, awareness around doing some of these biohacks. Like if people want to dip their toe in the water,

how do you recommend people go about experimenting and at the same time being safe? What are some of the guidelines you'd have somebody follow? Nature, just get more nature. There's so many biohacks that are free, like sunshine, grounding, putting your feet in grass, taking a cold shower. I feel like a broken record. can't stop talking about cold showers in my life. You know, just eating higher quality food. These are all free and easy to do.

Yeah, there's some expensive, fancy, a little more technical biohacks out there, which we're experimenting with, and I wouldn't necessarily just push someone to do it. They're available to you, but start with the basics. Everyone needs the basics, and most people are not getting enough of them. Can we talk about, well, let's talk about what a cold shower means to you, and can we talk about some of the benefits of changing your body's temperature dramatically in the morning and why that's a thing?

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (24:28.128)
Yeah, so it's a hormetic stressor. And I say stressor in a positive way. Most people think of stress as negative, but we do want to balance a positive and negative stress. But what you get from a small experience with stress is like a rebound effect. And so a hormetic stressor is putting a small stress on your body to then open up the floodgates to all of this positive stuff. And it kind of depends on what exactly you're doing, but

With a cold shower, you almost like trigger this fight or flight, but then it also like rebalances the nervous system to tell your body that you're safe. So this rebound is where you get stronger. You get the recovery. And you know, the benefits of cold showers are kind of endless. Like it will make you burn more fat. It will help you sleep better. It will wake up your brain. It protects your immune system. I mean, there's so much science out there. I'm not going to like drone on cause you can easily find it, but a cold shower is so easy to do. And all it takes is like.

three minutes of exposure, really. So what's your morning routine with your cold shower specifically? You just go for a solid three minutes or do you alternate? Sometimes I alternate, but I'm actually not a morning shower person. That sounds strange, like I shower at nighttime, I like cold shower at night. But then after a workout or like today I did infrared sauna and I hate sweating.

I basically do the infrared sauna because I look forward to the cold shower afterwards. So I get the hot and then the cold. So yeah, there's a lot of benefit of going back and forth between the two. You could do 30 seconds on and off. You could do three minutes on and off. It kind of depends what your experience is with it and how you handle the stress. I wouldn't say like just torture yourself out of the gate. I generally do like five minutes total. And just depending on my state of mind that day, I'll just sort of like,

push it just a little bit, because you want to get to that uncomfortable place. That's where the power is being just a little bit uncomfortable. Because that's everything in life. When we are uncomfortable, we grow. Right? that's amazing. That's amazing. for those who are listening today, your brain is wired to keep you comfortable. It's hard. The brain does not like change. It likes to feel safe. So that is something that you drop into the heart and you see like, where do I want to

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (26:47.572)
grow? Where am I going to push myself? And there's just like we said, there's, there's an area of the envelope where we're just going to push against a little bit to get a little bit of response. Renee, Renee, what are your thoughts on, on cold showers, cold therapy? We could talk about, even, even, you know, if you don't want to do the cold shower, the other thing that, you know, I periodically will do, but I have some definitive thoughts on this as of late is like a cryotherapy chamber where you're going to have like, you know,

nitrogen or you're to have hypercooled air down to like negative 237 degrees for two minutes. What are your thoughts? I believe all the research on the cold therapy is right. It's it's just not my thing. Right. I do all this other biohacking, but I'm not going to lie. I hate it. And Lauren's laughing because she knows how much I hate it. Look, I moved to the Vegas desert because I hate cold.

I moved to Florida for college because I hate cold. I've just always hated cold. It's absolute torture for me. I I try to implement a little bit of like the cold plunge if I'm at a spa, maybe a cold shower if it's 120 degrees out in Vegas. But that's the extent of my cold. I did a cryotherapy session for two minutes. That was like record breaking for me. But I think to speak about cryo, I think it's great, but for the expense and hassle of like driving to a place that has it.

when you can do all the cold stuff practically at home for free. I mean, if you want to make your own ice bath, okay, that's a couple of dollars, right? I just don't see the value and maybe prove me wrong. I just don't see the real. completely. think, yeah, I would say ease of use is the only thing. Like if I had my own cryo chamber, which is $70,000 and I had, you know, like did not care about money. Like what I have one in the house, maybe.

If I was a professional athlete making millions of dollars a year, that'd be number one in my house for sure. Yeah. LeBron James definitely has a cryo. Tony Robbins has a cryo chamber. Tony Robbins' mother has a cryo chamber for her chronic pain. So that's a thing. just don't see, you know, I've had friends, very good friends, add cryo to their business. You know, if you're a health and wellness practitioner out there, I just like to throw this out. You know, you're looking at

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (29:08.224)
70 to 80 grand just for your buy-in not to mention the liquid nitrogen you're going to do is to cool the air or to cool the human. The price point is very, it's hard to make the money back based on the operating costs and the expenditures of the equipment. So I think it's something that where it used to be like, it used to be like $110 a session. And now it's like, you know, you can get a cryo session for like 35 bucks. There's no way you're making your money back on that. It's not.

I think from a business standpoint, and I'm always kind of like up, my ears are up and I'm like, is that a good business venture? Cry out, not so much. Like, you know, there's these new home cooled cold tubs, which I think are great for sub two grand. I would do that. but we have a pool in our backyard where I go break the ice with a stick and I get in that. People think I'm crazy, but yeah, those pictures are insane.

Yeah, for me, I wouldn't suggest that purchase. Renee is getting infrared sauna in her basement. So Renee is not a cold person, but she is definitely a heat person, obviously. Let's talk about the heat. And like the heat shock proteins as opposed to the cold shock proteins. Let's talk about those. So Renee, you're buying a sauna. What one are you getting and why? We finally, my husband and I finally decided on the Sunlighten sauna.

I there's so many out there. I mean, I definitely wanted to get a full spectrum infrared. So I kind of came down to clear light and sunlight. And they're both, think, awesome. I also wanted to make sure it was low EMF because that's a problem with a lot of the infrared saunas, right? The EMFs are just off the charts. So then you have to question, it really worth the benefit if you're just radiating yourself? So yeah, I got that. And this goes back to, again, growing up with an infrared sauna in our house. know, dad knew about the benefits back in the

I don't know, maybe late 90s, early 2000s. And it's one thing that I have always felt amazing when I come out of it. You know, I do a lot of biohacking, some things I can't connect. Do I feel a difference? Do I feel better? Do I feel worse? Sauna, I always feel better. My brain is sharp. My energy is, you know, off the charts. Yeah, you're, yeah. You just can't beat it. And I, and maybe it's a little bit of a, mental piece of

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (31:28.548)
imagining I'm like sweating out all these toxins, right? We're exposed to this nasty gunk of stuff every day in our environment. And fortunately, I've cleaned up, my diet and personal care products. So I'm not getting exposed there, but just sweating out all those extra toxins. just feels good. Yeah, I love, I love that. I love your getting sunlight and clear light. Those are my two, you know, my go tos. There's another portable one that I can't think of the name of right now that is low space. I think it's sauna space. It's a,

It's a low EMF. It's the one where it almost looks like you're zipped into like a washer and dryer. Like it zips right up there on a little chair. That's what we had growing up. That's what we used to have in our kitchen. What is that called? Let me do this. I'm like totally, I'm pulling like a Joe Rogan like right now looking up at my computer. I don't remember which one we had growing up until we had, then we had a wooden one and I don't remember the brand of that because Sunlight and Clear Light didn't even exist back then.

But maybe eight years ago, I bought one of the zip up ones and I bought Ferrisage. I know the owner of Ferrisage. It's low EMF. He's a Lyme expert. I just really trust his company. Yeah. But I sold that one for a couple hundred bucks before I moved out to Vegas. And now I'm going to get a nice big one. Yeah, it's relaxed, far infrared saunas, low EMF. They're at all the health fairs and the guy, he's just like such a charming character.

but they have computer programs, ceramic semiconductor chips. They're very safe. They've been tested. And it was, it's funny. I remember, and I bought a cheapie off Amazon, my first buy-in for like a home one, but it was in the throes of figuring out I had Lyme and I had massive benefit from a cognitive standpoint. I mean, I would get out of this thing. I'm like, my goodness, I'm clear headed in 60 minutes. It wouldn't last.

You know, because my body was not doing a good job of the natural, as we said, the lymphatics, whatever the glymphatic system and the brain, but it was helping. And it was session by session that I felt a benefit and I really felt proof there. So I want to, I want to touch, we tap just for a second, our other beauty hacks. So we did cold, we did heat, you know, the, obviously the benefits of sauna are extensive. can get into the research, what wavelengths you mentioned, full light spectrum.

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Can you talk a little bit about the full light spectrum in the unit that you're getting and why that's a thing? Yeah, I think, you know, when I first learned about the infrared saunas, everyone was talking about far infrared, right? Far infrared, goes deeper, it penetrates deeper under the skin and that's the way to go. But then now more research in the last couple of years is showing that near infrared is just as important. Yeah. So the sunlight does offer all the way from near to far infrared.

I want more benefit with that. I'm not saying foreign friends is bad. It's still great, but if you can get both, why not? Yeah. Can we stick on light for a second? Do you, do you ladies have any other light hacks that you love? We love our red light. Yeah. Love the red light. mean, nothing's going to be going outside and getting direct pure sunlight, which I, I live in New York, Freddie, you're kind of New York, Connecticut.

we definitely don't get as much sunlight as Renee does in Vegas. So we have to try a little bit harder. I mean, we have more cloudy days, especially in the winter. So something like a red light, a jube is really helpful or like human charger, which, shines light directly into the ears, which goes into the brain is really helpful, but nothing as good as pure sunlight. So the way I combat that is I just don't wear sunglasses. Sunglasses used to be like a really fun, like fashion choice for me, like

which sunglasses am I gonna wear this season? What's gonna go with this coat or this outfit? I just don't wear them anymore. It's just not worth it because I don't get enough sunlight as it is because one, my apartment doesn't have a ton of direct sunlight. Two, I live in New York and it's winter and it's cloudy. Three, I work in a theater. I'm a performer, so I'm in a dark building a lot of my week. So one easy thing is just not putting sunglasses on every time I'm outside. Sometimes I'm squinting, I probably look...

crazy, but I'm getting the light. Let's talk about, you had like, if you had 150 grand and you could biohack the inside of a Broadway house, tell me what you would do because every time I was ever in a show, I love booking the show. I love being on stage.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (36:15.311)
What I didn't like is spending all day in a dark, damp, moldy theater, because they're all old buildings. Most of them, you know, they're pretty old. They got a lot of problems as far as like health. You're wearing a microphone that's transmitting like some horrible EMFs right into your head. If you're a woman, it's right into your wig. principal, yeah, your head. Luckily, in ensemble, we usually wear them like at the bottom of our spine, which is, you know, not great, but I would take that over wearing it on my brain.

Yeah, so let's let's give me give me your between the two of you your history and performing current history Lauren give me your give me your biohacks if you had a hundred and fifty grand to upgrade the Gershwin where wicked is What would you put in there to benefit not only the cast but the crew go? So the three like major problems, I don't know where that name never came from I just thought of three things three biggest problems mold poor

like dirty light exposure and then EMF exposure from, you know, all the tech, the microphones and whatever else is backstage. So I would say like, first I would hire someone to come in and test for mold, figure out where it was coming from and whatever was required to, you know, eradicate that ozone or you're more of an expert in this field, but whatever it took to get the mold out of there. Cause the number of allergies,

they're present in that building. And I think because of that, like so many people come to work every day. They're like, I don't know, I feel fine at home. But the second I come in here, like I'm sniffling, my eyes are watering, I'm coughing, like I don't know what it is. I'm like mold, mold, mold. Also just like the light, we're performing until 11 PM at night under very bright lights. So we're not following a circadian rhythm because of the LED lights, one, which is not helpful.

I know it's more like energy efficient, but it's not full light spectrum. And we're also just getting too much exposure late at night. So can't really like turn the lights out on a Broadway stage. It wouldn't be a show. What if the performers could wear blue light blockers on stage? That would be incredible. I've thought about it. I mean, I don't know. We would need like blue light blocker contact lenses or something. I mean, I don't...

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (38:34.216)
I guess if they could at least have like full light spectrum light bulbs that would cost a fortune. I don't know if that fits into the 150 grand budget that we have, but at the very least, like maybe in the dressing rooms, replacing all of the LEDs with better light bulbs. And then the last thing I would say, like the microphones are a really big deal. And when I did Mamma Mia eight years ago, we used to put tech type rocks in our mic packs.

because I was exposed to this by my dad. He taught us that tech tight can sort of like block the EMF radiation. So we all like invested in these rocks and they put them all in our little mic packs. And, you know, the sound department was totally fine with that. I haven't done that at WCAG. Cause honestly, it's like a bigger building. There's more people and I have been like tentative about that. But, I remember shipping you boxes of tech tight. Yeah. It was like a little tech type clan over there, but.

And then, know, just getting microphones away from people's head. But tech tape's not that expensive. So if we're talking about the budget, that would be an easy one. Uh-huh. So I love that. made my... So I have a short list just to retort here. So what I would say is I would say every, you know, inspired Broadway performer out there in a theater or in a regional theater or on tour, that you can grab an Ermi test from Envirobiomics.

And for as little as $240 to $320, you can swipe 10 surfaces in a space. It's going to give you that mycotoxin of those top 14 highly toxic molds that are going to affect your health long-term. I would say they have these wonderful candles that actually burn down. as they burn down, it neutralizes all the mold in a dressing room.

I think it'll last for almost a week. It's really good at knocking the mold spore content out of the air. hmm. I wonder if we're gonna have a candle in the dresser. I would easily fight for that. I know, what is that? And they're like five bucks a piece. So you would literally like light one like once or twice a week. I wanna say. shared this yet, Freddie? Send it to me now. I know, I wanna say, I wanna say Dr. Anne Shippey.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (40:53.108)
who came on for Mold. I wanna say Dr. Shippe, you know Dr. Shippe, she has these on her site or we can Google these and find out what they are. My next one would be for me for theater, goodness, because everybody in New York is sitting in the midst of 5G, fifth generation internet, which we won't do on this show. However, grounding, re-grounding with electrons. So I would have a grounding mat. I would have about two or three at the dressing room spots.

I also think there's a way to put a grounding strap in a shoe, so maybe even when people were on the deck, or there would be actually a way for a brilliant engineer to ground the stage, as well as those in the audience, just everybody would have a better show, everybody would be able to pay attention to follow the storyline better. The other thing that I would say for performers is that one supplement that I will sometimes recommend for people is a liposomal glutathione.

which there's a lot of studies and then it's a tricky one depending on what's going on. Do you have metal fillings? Do you have metal toxicity? It could move too many metals and where does it take it? However, there are some really good studies about glutathione high dose being a spot remover for nodes on the cords. I've actually seen quite a few studies. The other thing that I'm surprised you didn't mention is makeup.

let's talk about the makeup that they use for shows. What would you do if you were in cats and you were painting your face with that level of tax? You would not be in the Broadway show of cats because of the makeup. that would be a serious challenge. I'm lucky that I'm in a show that does not require heavy loads of makeup. And I'm actually in a dressing room full of women that do have some education surrounding personal care products. So for the most part, people are pretty educated and like,

as their budget allows, they swap out for better and better products. I am seeing a change over there. But yeah, typical drugstore makeup is highly, highly toxic. And you can eat a perfect diet, but if you're putting all the stuff on to your skin, which is a major organ, good luck fighting the mold. Good luck fighting all the EMF exposure. Good luck with all this other crap. Again, this just comes back to the basics.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (43:12.234)
you can set up a really strong foundation just with those nature hacks, quality food, and then like clean products. yeah, mean, that's a big one. you your own makeup? Everyone has their own makeup? Oh, that's nice. Except for this show. Not every show. Yeah. Elphaba is a different beast. That's a major challenge. I can't say what I would do if I were in that position. I'm lucky that I can bring my own makeup.

So for those who don't know Broadway, Alphaba is the witch. She's the wicked witch of the West, right? She turns it eventually, eventually down the story. So she's painted green. And I mean, and I've known Alphabas who are like, yeah, I've got green like coming out of every pore every day all day long. Yeah. For as long as our contracts run, there's green somewhere on them. Yeah. Interesting. Paint all over their skin. It's toxic. Interesting. I mean, I did.

I did cats for six months. Yeah. I knew nothing about toxic makeup at the time. I had white makeup, like always. Like I'd find a spot on my neck or in my ear. I'm like, Oh God, how long has that been there? You know? Um, I'm glad I didn't know maybe what I know now, but I would say another hack for toxins that I love is modified Citrus Pectin, MCP. I don't know if you guys use that much. Um, I think anytime you're exposed to

Potentially, you know toxic personal care products toxic cleaning products. I would imagine in the theater They're probably right wiping down the dressing room stations the floor of the stage with with chemicals, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah So MCP is a great way to just bind to all that that crap

It's funny you mentioned modified citrus pectin because there's a brand I absolutely love. It's called OptiPectin and Wendy Myers will talk about it a lot on our show. It's actually produced in Sonoma County. I don't know why I know that. But modified citrus pectin and it's got to be fractionated. Fractionated is really what it has that perfect surface area to bind and pull things out of the body. That would definitely be one I would add in.

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then what would you say about this? You both being in a performing background with this biohacking expertise, what about the idea that you're telling this two hour story and everything is choreographed? The steps, how you enter the stage, all the choreography happens on the same side. So you're gonna have this, you're gonna have like this.

If we think about pattern, just like you can be pattern into chronic illness, you're patterned into telling the story. So the imbalances that must develop in a performer's body, I'm pitching you guys a softball right now, are real. how would you go about addressing this? Someone who's telling the same story with the same movement eight times a week? Well, I'm super lucky that I'm a swing and I am not consistently doing the same thing.

eight times a week, but I think it really takes some, powerful biohacking to really like dive deep into what's happening to the body, which muscles I'm using, which muscles am I underusing? And then, you know, doing the opposite or just nourishing in a way that you can come back to balance. just being on a rake, for instance, a lot of the times because we're facing downstage towards the audience, we're pitched forward. Just an easy thing is I try to spend like a good amount of time before the show, during the show, towards the end of show.

facing upstage on the rake, just doing the opposite, just to try to find balance. But it's different for everyone and everyone has a musculoskeletal base. So it kind of depends what your imbalances already are, what you've faced in the show. No two people are gonna have the same sort of solution for rebalancing. have to look into your own body and see what you need.

And then, you you can hire someone like a personal trainer or corrective exercise specialist, which I do a lot of to help you through that. Renee, what would you say? What would your plan for that be? I mean, gosh, I feel so far removed from the theater world. I did my last show 13 years ago. I feel old all of a sudden.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (47:27.85)
But I wish again, I wish I knew a lot of this back then. And I think Lauren, what you do now could have helped me a lot, but I ultimately had to stop dancing because I had so many injuries. And I think the final show I did, it was all about imbalance, right? It was a lot of hyper extension of my right leg, lot of hyper extension of my spine and not being balanced. And ultimately it just too many injuries that I had to stop.

But yeah, my recommendation would be to work with someone like Lauren that maybe has like the newbie. So you're looking at the neurological fitness, the corrective exercise specialist part. I think that's so important. I always wonder like these leads that do, you know, eight shows a week also singing, right? That's a little different, but I don't, don't know how people do it. It's still kind of blows my mind. Well, it's, it's, it's like any professional athlete, although I would kind of like bump music theater performers, like up to the top of the list in my mind. It's like,

We do everything, the acting, the emotional baggage that goes along with, you know, if you're living this life of this character who is in like this turmoil and struggle every night and going through heartbreak and possibly dying on stage, that can be very taxing on the nervous system. Not to mention the physical and the singing and the choreography. It really is like, it's like the ultimate Olympic sport. That's traumatic, but can I just add onto that? Like it does extend into other...

jobs in industries like our parents, my dad is a dentist, and our mom is a dental hygienist. They both sit in a chair and twist their bodies in the same way every single day and they're hunched over. It's like a very, very imbalanced way to work. And, know, after 30 plus years of being in dentistry, they're both sort of like seeing the effects of these muscle imbalances and these movement dysfunctions. Like it's really powerful. Their job requires them to be in this

this state and unless you like do the opposite or like really nourish the body in these ways to come back to, you know, your neutral state. I don't, I it's so funny. I never thought of dentistry as being like a harmful job. know, you're just, gosh, it's so stressful. And I think dentists have like the number one suicide rate. I mean, one, think the more for other reasons, the physical pain and I honestly, I think mom and dad have only been doing this for like what 40 years.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (49:50.542)
because of the biohacking. I think dad would be in way too much pain if he wasn't doing all the biohacking he is doing. it's to an incredible degree. have a couple of questions I want to go a little deeper on. You had mentioned the newbie. So this is kind of a next level piece of technology identifying imbalances in the body.

I'm super excited about it. I would love to do a newbie episode, but can we talk a little bit about this technology, which I've had a chance to use, and then I can speak about my experience? Sure. I'm definitely not an expert in this, but I have the machine and it's basically... Gosh, so much I want to say about it. There's so much I want to say. So it's a rehab device, but it's also a training device and it uses DC current through electrodes.

to provide neurological re-education. So DC current is the type of current that the brain uses to communicate to the rest of the body. So there's a lot of like EMS devices out there, electric muscle stimulation. This is different because it uses the DC current where most of those other devices use AC current. And we can leave that for the special episode, but DC current is gonna provide a more natural patterning where you're

telling which muscles to fire. if you have atrophy, it will wake up a muscle. If you have muscle imbalances, it's going to sort of correct those imbalances, but you can use it for training to actually build muscle and burn fat. they're showing that it's like changing muscle composition in the body, which is pretty incredible. I discovered it because of my ankle injury, like from PEMF all the way to newbie. And, um, it's basically taken me to like a 95 % recovery rate.

And the first time I did it actually was in Vegas. I was staying with Renee and this amazing woman came to Renee's condo and did the session on me. And I like immediately felt better, but the benefits are pretty endless. All you do is like hook up these electrodes with sticky pads all over the body, wherever we need it. And we can do like a discovery session where we kind of find the hotspots in the body. Cause your body's going to tell you what needs attention, which is really cool because

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (52:15.184)
You may have have pain like in your left elbow, but maybe like your right trap needs some attention. And this machine is going to really highlight that and help educate us on like what needs, you know, what needs the attention? It's cool. Yeah. And, and Renee, you've used the technology as well. Yeah, I've only used it three times. just when I'm home and you know, I go home for holidays and we just biohack the whole time we're there. So I got to do a lot over the Christmas trip.

Yeah, it is. It's awesome. I wish I had access to it every day. Yeah, it's a really neat technology. You know, Lauren did a session on me and I was just amazed. I was amazed at and my true belief is like my like my energy and like focus and brain fog is gone. Like it's exponentially reversed. So it's like I feel like a superhuman. However, I do still have some patterned pain from being

going through so many surgeries, especially my abdomen and like the outsides of my quads, like I have muscles misfiring. And it was very weird. Basically what my experience was is that, you know, Lauren was swiping my body where there was an electrode on my lower erector spine eight. And then she's swiping my body with a pad and it's shocking me when we're finding a muscle that's like problematic. So I'm like, So gentle little shock.

A gentle, not, yeah. No, too aggressive. No, it's, yeah, no, wasn't, it was not too aggressive. At the time I was like, my God, my God. So then we put the electrodes on that part of the muscle and I would do full range of motions, some exercises, we did squats, we did lunges, and we went all over my body. And when I was done, I felt very, very high. That's the best thing. I felt like my feet were rooted like three feet into the ground. I felt so connected.

with my body. was very unique because I sit a lot for work, right? What I'm doing right now, I'm podcasting, I'm working with AmpCoil, I'm running a webinar. It's pretty much all in a chair. You know, I go to the gym every day, but there's a lot of it. I've just got to be down in my faces in the screen. So I know my body feels like pretty crappy. I'm just not doing

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (54:35.369)
I'm not getting up and moving it enough. And I felt amazing after that session. So I was really blown away by the tech. I thought it was so exciting. Yeah. The best thing was getting a phone call from you like five hours later and you were like, I'm still high. You were just floating. Your energy was just like out of this world. was like, that was the best.

phone call, I was like, yes, he's happy. feels good. like yeah. And it's rare that I try things that I feel that, it's rare that I try things and I'm like, cause I do a lot of stuff. Yeah. So it's rare that I have a shift like that. Again, my true belief is that so many of these issues have gone on for 20 years that a lot of my issues aren't really issues. They're just bad patterns. And I'm like, when I'm breaking patterns, I'm feeling these leaps forward in my vitality, health and energy.

It's not like, think had I not known or would I not be aware of all these bodies interweaving systems that I could be like, I'm still sick. I still have like bacteria or like Lyme in that joint. Probably not. Probably not after all the things I've done. You know, probably more so it's the pattern and my brains just used to like, you've had your like, you know, your abdomen cut up and this is how you get out of a chair. You put both hands on, you push up with my arms first. And then I engage my hip. like a lot of it's

You know, it's I've, I've allowed my body to get into this state and it's like, I need to do the work to get out. There's no machine I'm going to jump on and like push the fix button. And I think that's a misconception. Except for the newbie. Well, but the, no, but not even the newbie. Cause the newbie, you need to go in and you need to do the dynamic work. You need to go through the full motion exercises and be, you're not just sitting back. You're doing the work. And I've got a, yeah, I felt great for a couple of days, but

I mean, most of those things have gone back. I need to go continue to work with you, right? I need to keep, keep working. And that's a really good point. When you are on this machine, there's a huge amount of intention that's required. Like you need to turn on your brain to tell your muscles to fire. So like we can go through some basic movement patterns, like a push and a pull, but like you have to actively be pulling and then you have, you actually have to be pushing. Like you're creating this connection with your brain.

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (56:54.293)
And that's going to help break the cycle. Like it's awesome that we have this equipment to help us break the cycle, but you can't just put this machine on and like check out. And that's like such a challenge in our life, breaking the cycle. It's such a mental, emotional, spiritual challenge. You have to show up. Like there is no magic pill. There's no supplement that's going to fix everything. All this stuff that we're trying, like none of it's magic. You have to show up and be intentional and like understand.

the research and what you're doing and what's going to do to you and, and really be honest with your emotional state, your physical state, your spiritual state. Being present is huge. love it. I love it. I want to be, I want to be respectful of your, both of your time. I know we scheduled an hour. We're like almost to our hour. Crazy, crazy enough. but I, goes fast, but I do want to talk about our other podcasts went fast too. And I talked to you both.

I want to talk about the OG. want to talk about your dad a little bit because we've, we've alluded to the fact that your family supported you in this biohacking endeavor, but your father is, is the biohacking dentist, Gene Sambataro. You can look up Gene on Instagram. He has an amazing biological dentist practice in Maryland and he does it everything the right way. And then he has this basement of these amazing tools and toys, toys, toys, all toys to play with.

Do you guys ever see, do you guys think, you know, coming from this family with this mindset, is it a healthy balance with the technology and the biohacking? Are you able to put it all in perspective or is it all, it be a trap to always be like, what's next? What am I buying next? Where am I going? I would love for my mom to answer that question. I think we should, I mean, we can talk about my dad, but I feel like I need to represent my mom in this when you're shaking your head.

Yeah, I just, agree. think, I think we all do a pretty good job of balancing it, but I think for dad, because he has worked seven days a week for 40 years, I think the biohacking, like the fancy tools and tech have been essential for him because like we talked about, right, instead of using your human charger and your juve red light, go out in the sun. He's at the office 7 AM to 7 PM most days, you know, it's like he,

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (59:19.633)
Doesn't have the time and access to the free nature. I think could he change his schedule? That's a great question Yeah, we would love that But I think the toys have have been essential for him to be able to practice for so long versus maybe Lauren and I we love the fancy toys But yeah, I'm in Vegas. I have access to the Sun I'm out in the Sun way more than I'm using my special fancy lights But you're right that the balance is important and I'm always reminding myself

Like Lauren has said, back to nature, back to nature as much as possible. And like get some fun and joy in your life. This is why I love my mom so much. Cause she reminds us that like, we don't need all this fancy equipment to be healthy. Like we can spend time together. And that's the beautiful thing about our family is that we really enjoy spending time together. I can't say that for most families across America or in the world. I don't know, but like we have so much fun together. We laugh together and not.

produces a healthy response in our body. And my mom feels so strongly about this and she reminds me of it constantly. Like I think my dad can really easily get sucked up into work and the biohacking and that he's so brilliant in that way and he inspires us every day. But my mom also brings a really nice balance to that where it's like, okay, step back. We do need this, but we also need to step away from it and like just be and quiet and like enjoy community. That's a huge thing, community.

I don't even remember what your question was. That's it. Now flushing it out, finding that balance within the family. this is like the family legacy. two more questions I want to get in here. So we touched on it in the beginning, but what does it mean to you, and you have to answer this separately, to be women in this male-dominated field and really claiming your power, claiming your unique voice?

What does it mean to you to be part of this biohacking team? Renee, you can go first. I mean, to be honest, it feels really amazing. Like I'm honored that Lauren and I were able to put our brains together. I feel like we're really at the front of this women biohacking movement. More women are jumping on, but we've been following people like Dave Asprey and Ben Greenfield for a decade, right? And they're

Freddie, Lauren and Renee (01:01:44.452)
They're incredible. They're research, they're knowledge. What they've done is awesome. I think too many women are falling into that pattern, right? We're trying to fast for five days when it's destroying our hormones and killing any possibility of reproduction. And I love that we're getting the word out. You know, we work one-on-one with clients, which is great, helping people one-on-one, but the podcast, we're reaching more people. And I want more women to know

You have to tune into your body, right? Our hormones are so sensitive. So much is going on. And Lauren and I have dealt with our own health issues and not to go down too much of a rabbit hole, but I've had so many health issues that traditional conventional medicine, you know, threw their hands up. They didn't know what was wrong. And it's so frustrating to be in your twenties, having a doctor tell you that you're normal and you're healthy and nothing is wrong and having to go look elsewhere. And dab was a big part of helping me look elsewhere.

But I know I'm totally rambling about this, but women in biohacking, you have to take charge of your own health. You have to be responsible. What's going on in your body? How do you feel today? There's definitely a spectrum. We want to get away from feeling ill and crappy, but we also want to upgrade and feel amazing every day. And I've experienced that whole spectrum. So I just want to empower women that we can feel amazing every single day.

during I would say like my lowest point of dealing with the chronic fatigue, Epstein-Barr, adrenal dysfunction. I was so tired some days that like I would literally be driving home from work and it would cross my mind. If I just drove off the road right now, I could sleep forever.

That literally like, you know, that that's crazy that someone in their twenties is so tired and so frustrated with no answers that that would cross your mind that that that's the easy way out.

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So I just want women to know, even if you're feeling with like crap every day and you're struggling, like there are answers out there and we want to enable you to be your own biohacker and figure it out.

Yeah, okay, that's enough of my rambling about women That is not rambling. No, that's not rambling. That's the gold. And what did you, I'm sure there were so many things, but what started to move the needle for you, Renee, out of that place where you felt hopeless? It was really a combination, you know? And I think a lot of people want to say it was one thing that fixed it, right? It was one hack, one pill, whatever.

I can't, I had to address so many things at the same time and really put in the work, right? mean, emotional, physical, mental, everything, biohacking, back to nature, what am I eating? How am I sleeping? I had to address everything at once. It's a lot of work, but when you do it and you feel better, it's worth it. And what's changed from that girl who is having those very dark thoughts, driving home from work till the girl that's on this podcast right now?

What has changed? gosh. I'm happier than I've ever been in my entire life. I will say that every day I'm grateful. I'm blessed. I want everyone to feel that way every day. You know, I dealt with depression, anxiety, all that with all that was going on. And it's an amazing feeling to wake up and truly be happy every day.

That's profound. Yeah. Do you want to reach out and your sister first? Yes, I love her so much. I love She's so beautiful. Her heart is so big and she's so, I just think she's so smart. She's my little sister, but in so many ways I've looked up to her for so long. And she's really, I think led this charge into biohacking and wellness.

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She makes me be a better person. She pushes me to learn more. She pushes me to keep finding answers. And Renee, I think it's amazing that you were able to share that. you. Thank you. I love you. I'm always learning from you. I know Lauren's so sweet. She always tells me that she learns from me. But everything that comes out of her mouth, I'm just like, what? I didn't know that. When did you learn that? Tell me more. Yeah. Here's the love sesh. This is the thing about

women in biohacking, there is a huge opportunity for us to create community. I think finding your tribe and finding like-minded people that you can really have this conversation with, like I'm so lucky that I have my sister and we're on the same journey and wavelengths. You have to go out there and find these people. Freddie, you said at the beginning of the podcast, you're like, we're going to nerd out.

That's amazing. You need to find friends and community that you can nerd out with because there's so much that we don't know. There's so much research that hasn't been done, especially amongst women and health in this health industry. And we have to be those pioneers. I think that just starts with finding or creating a community, having conversations about anything because we're experiencing so much that is common, but not necessarily normal. And you don't know that it's not normal until you talk about it.

So finding people that you can just like lay all of your shit on the table with, just be really honest, be open about your struggles, like lean on someone else for help. You know, we can't do any of this alone. You need other people. We need each other. So find that tribe and then just like lean in so hard. Speaking of community and tribe, know, paleo effects, our favorite event of the year just got postponed because of what's going on.

I don't know if I'm more sad that our family vacation got postponed or that this just fun health conference got postponed. mean both, but again, it's about the tribe. I could go and no offense, the speakers are awesome, but you can also hear them speak on podcasts and YouTube every day. could skip the speakers and just hang out with the amazing group of people there because they're all like-minded and...

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I mean, it's like a natural caffeine boost when you're around those people, right? It's a drug. Yeah. You feel high after spending an afternoon with those people, as opposed to people that, you know, don't light up your world that aren't inspiring. I don't know. There's really something to be said for choosing people that inspire you and just like, bringing more of that into your life. It's really powerful. But yeah, it's a bummer. It's such a bummer. The paleo is well rescheduled, but,

rescheduled. not officially canceled. But unfortunately, virus 2020 is sweeping through the world right now. And again, that's another podcast we didn't touch on Corona. Which is so funny. I walked into Whole Foods the other day and they had like all the Corona was out front on sale for like 699 because nobody is like Corona has taken a 40 % die, which just

which, which is it's in their market share. But what's interesting is, or sorry, is in their revenue over the last month. And to me, it's very interesting. It's fascinating how easily we're influenced and programmed. You've got to think of it. There's one little example has nothing. It's a beer or a virus opposite ends of the spectrum. However, people are like, that's a fear word. I don't want Corona, you know? So it comes out of the field. There's like this field of fear. talk a lot about at,

you know, when we're trying to support people through frequency and amp coil and PEMF and you know, all these, you know, these wonderful journeys we have to rebalance the bio terrain. The first thing we tell people to run is emotions 23. It's a journey that balances the polarity of love and fear. Cause the trend towards fear is dropping the immune system into a reactive place. This is study, this is hard science. Fear makes you more susceptible to being infected by a microbe.

an organism, a virus. So balance that out first. Yeah. Like compromises the system. I ran that journey yesterday at your suggestion. I love that one. I love that one. Yeah. The fear is, is really real. Um, there's so much that we don't know about this virus. We don't have to go too much into it, but supporting your immune system, not caving to fear, but also knowing that like back.

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bacteria is everywhere. We can't really avoid it. And like the scary thing about this virus is that we've never been exposed to it. Like we've been exposed to the flu many, many times. So not as scary. We know what the flu is. I don't know if this is founded, but like I had this idea today. I was like, I kind of want to be exposed to Corona because then like my body's going to know it. I mean, that's really extreme. I don't really want to, but like I'm probably going to breathe in like a speck of it somewhere and it's

probably going to challenge my immune system in a positive way. Again, that's extreme, like, it's like a self vaccination. Yeah. mean, I've had that thought. Yeah. I've had that thought. was like, I've listened. have the tools. have the biohacking gear to like get through Corona. Yeah. And maybe that's yeah, we're, we're young. We're young. mean, I have like definitely like a challenge to me and system. That's for real. That's a thing. But I also feel like I have the tools and awareness and like,

I'm pretty sure I could move through it. don't know if that's, again, I don't know if that's irresponsible or not, but I've totally had that thought. I'm like, I'm going to the gym. I'm gonna like put my bare hands on the subway pole. Like, I don't care. Yeah, that's questionable. Do you know that, do you remember what's the movie, is it Showgirls with the, Saved by the Bell? Who's the woman's, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, Yeah, Jesse. Yeah. Yes, Jesse from Saved by the Bell.

awesome movie. If you haven't seen Showgirls, watch it or don't. That's kind of a funny recommendation. But there's like this meme of her like licking a stripper pole and the meme is like Corona 2020. This never would have been shot in the original film. And they just have like all these memes of people like licking flagpoles. I was like, I love it. love the Corona memes going around.

The Americans dressed up like mummies from all the toilet paper they've bought. Yeah. my gosh. Like what is the toilet paper doing? I know. I love the John Oliver episode. He was like, some people are pouring bleach down their throats. Some people are licking subway poles. We probably want to be somewhere in between the two. We don't know exactly. That's great. I mean, we can't live in fear. I mean, I think we need to be educated and protect ourselves, which means protecting and supporting our immune systems. But I don't want to just retract from society.

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idea in life because if I sit inside all day long on my couch away from nature and away from things that spark joy, that's also going to harm my immune system. finding a balance. I going to tell my grandmothers to ride the subway? No. Yeah. But being young and healthy, I'm going to keep making good choices to support that. the positivity, I think, is huge. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah, it's definitely a factor.

I need to ask you both your last question of the show. I'm going to start with Renee. Renee, the Beautifully Broken podcast, what does it mean to you to be beautifully broken? Is there a picture of me next to that? Yeah, I Beautifully Broken, I love, I just love the name of your podcast. think to me, it's just revealing that we're all a little

broken, right? We've all been through stuff. It's helped us learn. It's helped us grow. For me, it's made me a better practitioner to like, you know, be beautifully broken. had, you know, OCD, anxiety. I was anorexic for 10 years. And then I had all this adrenal stuff and chronic fatigue, you know, and I hope and this isn't like a, feel bad for me. I've been through it. It's like, no, I've been through it. I know what it feels like.

And you can get better too, right? Yeah, that's, that's kind of my take on it. We're all beautifully broken and, we can, we can heal and accept it and still be happy and healthy at the end of it. I love it. Lauren. I just think it's opportunity and that can mean whatever you want it to mean, but it's opportunity, you know, mostly for growth and

I think we're all stronger than we think we are. And sometimes we need these opportunities to let that uncover itself. love it. And where can people find, listen to and connect with the biohacking babes? We have an Instagram page and then we each have our own Instagram handles, but we have, can just Google the biohacker babes. will take you to our website and to our podcast page. We release our podcasts every Monday morning.

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And then we each have our individual websites. So LaurenSanBotero.com, ReneeBells.com. And Facebook, Biohacker Babes. Wonderful. So I will put all those in the show notes. And is there any last piece of gold nugget wisdom you'd like to impart to the audience, either of you? Again, Renee, you can go first. Don't be afraid to self experiment in Biohack.

Don't wait for someone else to tell you what to do. Ooh, I love that. I love that name. Thanks. Yeah. I was just going to say, we have like a motto. goes along with our logo, but it basically means to educate yourself to be your own biohacker, like empower yourself to do the work. And like Renee said, don't, don't wait for someone else to tell you to do it. Like you have all of the tools.

I'm going to manifest. I'm, dropping out as I'm, don't know why I'm holding lemons here. Like, where did those come from? You're like a compression wrap. got the lemons. It was like going to juggle anyways. know. I'm going to manifest that we're all going to be, biohacker babes and beautifully broken podcasts. We're going to be speaking at a, at a, at a health summit very soon, somewhere together. sure are. Yep. We're going to claim the stage. So I think that's it for now, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you for being here. Renee, Lauren, you guys were so fun to talk to. This was so easy. We'll definitely do another episode on a very targeted topic. I know we did like the full sushi platter smorgasbord sushi boat of like all things biohackers, but you know, we, that's, that's where we're getting in. So we'll, do it again. And thank you from my sincere heart for being here. Thank you, Freddie. You're awesome. This was great.

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