The Toxic Mold Exposure Road Map with Nurse Caitlin Weisel

Today, we’re delving into the profound effects of mold exposure on the mind and body with our guest Caitlin Weisel, an Emergency & Trauma Registered Nurse. When Caitlin first began experiencing mysterious physical and neurological symptoms, it took her multiple doctors and perspectives to finally learn that she was suffering from prolonged mold exposure. Join us for this jampacked episode on exploring the impact of mold on the mind and body, detoxification tips and tricks, and the power of Somatic Release Yoga.

Caitlin shares her rocky journey of experiencing intense burnout and PTSD -- and how she managed to rise above it all. Learn how Caitlin continues to champion for Somatic Release Yoga as a powerful tool for trauma healing and stress reduction. As an advocate for holistic wellness, her wealth of experience also touches on the impact of ketamine therapy and the need for reframing your inner narratives.

The episode then dives into Caitlin’s harrowing experience with toxic mold exposure, which subjected her to physical and mental ailments. Join us as Freddie shares his wealth of experience in terms of detecting mold in your home and looking out for mold exposure symptoms. Get to know more about the science behind detoxifying the body, and the revolutionary benefits of practices like Dynamic Neural Retraining (DNRS) and using castor oil packs.

As we swap stories on the failures of our conventional healthcare system, this episode shines a spotlight on how functional medicine, biohacking, and active learning are stepping stones toward achieving your most optimal self.

Episode Highlights

[3:20] Getting to Know Nurse Caitlyn
[6:15] Burnout as an ER Nurse
[10:49] Overcoming PTSD
[15:25] Reframing Your Subconscious Narratives
[18:10] Her Experience With Mold Exposure
[24:28] Understanding the Body’s Emunctory Organs
[26:57] The Recurring Problem of Traditional Medicine
[28:20] Checking Mold in Your Home
[36:15] Helping Your Skin Detoxify
[39:20] The Benefits of Castor Oil Packs
[41:35] The Science Behind Dynamic Neural Retraining (DNRS)
[44:35] On Gut Health and Bowel Movements

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel (00:00.428)
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Freddy. It's your friend Freddy. I often have conversations with my friend that I wish I could have a magic wand and turn back time and say, why didn't we record that? That was gold. There's nothing like speaking to a human being who is experiencing adversity and walking through and navigating the options of all the information and all the choices we can do to feel better, alleviate pain.

And that's exactly what I did today with my friend Nurse Caitlin, who is a former ER nurse and a trauma-informed yoga specialist, and I could go on and on. But she's great, and she's dealing with a little air quality, possible mold issues. And so I wanted to record that and walk through what Freddie would do. Now keep in mind, I am not a doctor. I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not a licensed practitioner prescribing medicine.

But I do have an area of expertise in biotoxin illness and mold and detoxification from a human experience and a coaching perspective. So I can certainly outline what I would do. And if that's resonant and right for Nurse Caitlin, she's gonna check back with us in about 90 days and see if a majority of her symptoms aren't greatly alleviated. So I'm so glad you can join us for this. A lot of fun was had in our living room and let's jump in.

Welcome to the Beautifully Broken podcast. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on the show we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes, because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

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you support me and that is the ecosystem which I have developed. And I just want to say thank you for listening. And now let's get into the show. Big love. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast, Living Room Edition. I'm here with my really good friend, Nurse Caitlin.

Nurse Caitlin (06:40.04)
That's me.

Rock Rose Yoga. I actually it's so funny because I was like Rock Rose. I think there's a Rock Rose Yoga in Rochester, New York. Funny. And I think I remember seeing your Instagram. And I was like really compelled to be here's my here's Michael Louvitz, my my my my living father, the landlord who is just was going to come in the room and now he's not. I need an I need an on air. You do. to buy that.

Hahaha.

Nurse Caitlin (06:51.534)
Is it really? Yeah.

Nurse Caitlin (07:11.682)
today said you should have a at the front door

I'm like recording. So God, we're here for a very specific reason because I get these calls a lot of times are like Freddie, I had a mold exposure, Freddie, I got bit by a tick, Freddie, I'm going into the ER, they found a mass. And I'm always like, I feel these calls like a lot. And I'm not a coach, I'm not facilitating medicine, I'm not trying to, but I will because I've been through a lived experience, I do understand where to send people so

You had a thing come up, just one, and I thought it'd be helpful just for us to map through. We're going to talk about mold today. But I also, you're such a special person and healer and you have such a great skillset. You have ways of working with trauma on your own through this cool, unique shaking method of shaking the pelvis and the hips. And now people are like, who is this woman? If we went on the street over

this medicine woman.

Yeah, what would you say you do or what would you, if you saw a pastor by, you know, what would you define? Yeah, what do you do?

Nurse Caitlin (08:19.81)
I guess I would call myself a former emergency room nurse who got really burned out and decided I needed to leave my love of emergency medicine because it wasn't treating me well anymore. And then found yoga, ironically, before the pandemic began. But I think yoga and alternative medicine have become important to me in my own journey.

but the yoga stuff, I guess it would be, it's alternative yoga. It's trauma release yoga. It's science-based and I'm not super woo-woo, so I like all the science stuff, but I've basically created a class that helps the body to shake through our muscles of our stress response muscles, so are so as our hips.

and help the body to release trauma and stress similar to animals, how animals do it in the wild. And we know that animals in the wild aren't walking around with PTSD because they complete the stress response cycle when they experience those adrenaline surges. So I've curated this whole method that I probably need to do more myself. teach

to others. But here I am with you because I'm on my own healing journey as well.

No, listen, I don't think the, you know, it's like the cobbler with no shoes. I don't think we can do it for ourselves. I think this is, you know, it's not, we'll just say life is better shared. You know, we thrive and we grow in community. I think the journey of being a human being, it's really hard to go there and self edit to self actualize and say, this is what I need or I don't need that. That takes somebody else holding up, whether it's a mirror or...

Freddie Kimmel (10:18.86)
holding space or facilitation, that power of energetic exchange to be a healer. It's so funny, I just said this on another podcast, that the physician's role is to distract the patient while the body heals itself. And whatever therapy we're working with, right? So I do believe that, I really, really do believe that. Can we just touch on a topic for a second? Because I think it'll tie in to the mold that we're gonna talk about and air quality that we're gonna talk about.

You mentioned you had a love for being an ER nurse. What drew you to being a nurse in the emergency room? Because my mom was an ER nurse for a little while.

Well, I think I thrived in chaos most of my life. That's what I knew. I was familiar. After lots of therapy, can say that the ER was a great love because I loved the challenge and the constant adrenaline rush. I also loved immediately helping people, you know, meeting them on their darkest day and being that person for them. I'm like,

I feel like I'm a nurse on this cellular level. It's been like in my family, a lot of nurses. So, but I also, you know, I think there was also a part of me that wanted to be the best there was. And I guess for perfectionist, Caitlin, was you got to be that badass trauma nurse. Like that's the ultimate. So I chased that a long time in New York City and Austin, all over the country during COVID-19.

And COVID is what really told me that I should probably slow down and stop because then my body was like, how about now? How about we stop?

Freddie Kimmel (12:05.398)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I know for people around the country, me being from New York City and being in New York for a good chunk of the pandemic in Connecticut, it was very different in that city for anywhere else. So as a travel nurse, which I believe you're working as, and you say you got burnt out without getting into story, like what did that look like for you?

Sure. It was interesting during the year of 2020, was a lot of, I guess, mostly body anxiety was I was just constantly living with this feeling of like, I couldn't slow down. Like even on my days off, I was, I needed to move. I was running all of a sudden, because that was like, I had so much energy in my body, like I needed to do something with it. So the year was full of movement for me that.

During that time when I was working up north when COVID first started, and there were so many unknowns, and eventually my sleep was really affected. I would wake up at 3 a.m. like clockwork and just lay there for hours, sometimes not able to fall back to sleep. Once I got out of the ER and moved back to Austin,

I say it was like I was treading water all year, like in a storm. And then when I stopped and the water calmed, it was like everything got worse. And my body was like, what just happened? And my sleep got worse. Ironically, right as I moved back to Austin, we had the ice storm. So then that made things even more worse than they were because I was trapped in my apartment for like eight days.

my body was just already not well, so that kind of compounded, but a lot of PTSD symptoms. So my heart would race, I would sweat through the night, difficulty concentrating. I mean, it would take me like an hour to write an email because I just, my brain was just like offline. A lot of just isolation, I didn't want to go anywhere. I wanted to stay in my safe little bubble. And really the body anxiety was probably the most detrimental.

Nurse Caitlin (14:18.638)
thing for me because it just every single day felt like my chest was going to explode. And it was ironic because I think I had this narrative of you have all these skills. I was already a yoga teacher. I was already teaching this trauma-release somatic yoga. And I was like doing the things I knew I needed to do for myself. And I've always been really into the root cause and not taking mainstream medication. But I was

literally trying everything. mean, breath work, yoga, acupuncture, cold plunge, sauna, everything. That's kind how I found you. it was, you know, it was like I was doing all the things I in my head knew I needed to do, but it was like I couldn't trust my body anymore. was like my nervous system was hijacked. And so it was that kind of was a journey of years. Yeah. That led me here.

Yeah.

being a lot better but still having some other things going on.

You had said to me, you said my PTSD is cured. I mean, that's for you to feel that and offer that. didn't ask. You said that. So you must feel pretty different from where we were talking like a couple years ago. We met probably two, two and a half years ago. Then you did have some great responses to ice and pulse electromagnetic fields and some things where we could create the shift. But what?

Freddie Kimmel (15:49.74)
I know it wasn't one thing, but if you had to surmise in a sentence or two, what turned it around for you?

I decided that I needed a break from life and I couldn't sustain my job anymore. And I was nearly at a breaking point of just feeling so overwhelmed, so triggered. I was actually working as a consultant where I was traveling a lot and that was in itself its own trigger. was just my job wasn't sustainable for

where I was in my body and being someone who is used to being fine all the time and go, go, go. I realized I needed to take care of myself and learn how to put myself first. Even though I had all of these practices, I think it was that was probably this wake up moment of like, hey, like, maybe you need to.

I always say, put on your own life ref first in my yoga class and then here I am not doing it for myself. But anyway, I had a big wake up call and I decided to take a leave of absence from work. And I had been researching ketamine therapy a long time. My therapist actually had recommended it because of its success with the treatment of PTSD symptoms specifically. And I went through, they had a whole mental health series and I went through it and it was like,

the best thing I've ever done for myself, like a lifetime worth of therapy. And they explain it this way, but I feel like it's like my brain had all of these, if you pictured it like snow and there were all these ski tracks and they were all my neuro pathways that were, some were good. Some weren't serving me anymore. It was like my brain just got shook up like a snow globe. And I had all of these fresh paths of

Nurse Caitlin (17:49.356)
new snow and I used that time and I was, so grateful that I had that time. Cause I know not everybody's able to do that. Luckily I was able to take a medical leave, but I ended up just doing things that nurtured me and really almost retraining my nervous system. So I would do yoga, I would do breath work, I would walk a ton. I would come here and flow preso and do all the biohacking things.

But I was so invested in retraining my nervous system because I think at that point I just felt so disconnected from myself. was like I couldn't trust my body anymore. And that was really hard, especially because I'm someone who likes to be in my body and is very intuitive and listen, you know, and it was like, it was hijacked. So the ketamine was really the game changer, but also I think

being so, it wasn't just the ketamine, was journaling, was therapy, was like realizing all of the things that I'd held onto for years and years and years and years and just really, you know, working through that and reframing my narratives.

Yeah. What I hear when you tell me that is you put your hands up and you said, okay, it's time to put myself first and everything else is a subsequent choice. You know, then you said, well, I'm going to take a break. You know, you're like, I'm going to hit pause because you're like, you felt on a deep cellular level that you had to, like you got to the point where your body was ready and you're ready to again, come here and we'll put you in flowpresso once a week and you'd let go and

you know, would get texts to be like, my God, I slept through the whole night. So you started to have these wins as a result of you choosing to ask for a break and everything else followed. You you led the way though. Yeah. None of these other things did it.

Nurse Caitlin (19:49.312)
Yeah, it wasn't just, and I say this all the time, because I actually work at the Infusion Center now as a nurse. It's not just the ketamine. It's what you do for yourself after. And it's also reframing those really deep narratives or that subconscious of like, I think for so long, then it was like, that was the story I believed. The story I believed was I have PTSD, I have anxiety, I don't sleep. And then all of sudden I was

I didn't have anxiety. And it was like, it was like this dialogue I kept having with myself of like, look, you're doing it. You're sleeping. And it was, you know, not to say there was so much more there. It's not just a matter of reframing the narrative because my brain was not well before I did the ketamine. But I think all of these things combined were so powerful. And, you know, now I feel so much calmer in my body.

It's like I can trust myself again. Trust my body, trust my nervous system, yeah.

Yeah, but now you have mold.

Yeah, so my safe little sanctuary of a home isn't safe. So, yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (21:02.414)
Yeah, let's talk about that. Listen, and I just want to say to everybody, you're like, what are you doing with the phone? I need a little video clip for us at some point. Yes, you look great on camera. look great. To be fair, I'm like, let's come over and talk. And I was like, and we're going to throw in the headphones. We're going to do this as a role of service for other people who are coming in. Because I guarantee you, everybody wants to have this conversation. It's like,

you know, what is the thing that rolls into our life that creates some level of fear where we feel paralyzed and we don't know what to do or what to go and air quality is certainly one. But as you said, you're like PTSD or mold or Lyme disease, these are things that come into our lives and it's a, you don't have it. It's a thing we've named it. You know, I often say it's like somebody naming like Parkinson's is my favorite one. There is no Parkinson's blood test.

It's just like a guy looking up at the sky and saying, there's Orion's belt. No, it's not. It's three stars that a bunch of people said that looks like a guy's belt. Yeah. You know, we made that story. That's a story. So just like I'm looking at for someone with severe neurological tremors in their right hand, is that trauma? it glyphosate? Is it mercury toxicity? All of which can cause those tremors is all three.

You know, is some part of it, do you have that propensity because it's in your genes? I don't know, but this is where the fun stuff, this is where that curiosity, my little internal scientist wants to go, and I wanna get people curious about figuring it out. So let's talk about mold. So maybe just catch us up and say, like, why you called Freddie for insight on mold. And I've got a big whiteboard here, so I'm just gonna make some notes, because this is how I...

mind map and I'm gonna do all the things go ahead.

Nurse Caitlin (23:00.59)
Well, ironically, after my little hiatus of my eight, pray love, mental health, ketamine, two months sabbatical, I felt amazing. And then the interesting thing is it's hard to say what came first. I bought a new home. I moved in October of 2022 and.

The ketamine stuff happened in March of 2023. However, when I moved into my home, my PTSD symptoms actually started to feel like they were getting worse. I thought it was because I was overwhelmed, a lot of stress, work, but I started having like my heart would randomly race. I would feel short of breath, which is weird because I'm pretty active, healthy person. I started to gain weight and

nothing had changed other than me moving and my brain fog was terrible. And the brain fog did lift a bit with the ketamine, but I'd say for the most part, I've had this chronic brain fog for about a year, year and a half, terrible headaches, and then it got worse. So around August, I started getting migraines like every day. And it usually was when I was eating, which was weird because I had

I already had food sensitivity, so was avoiding my trigger foods, literally no gluten, no dairy. And I was eating this way and I was starting to get the migraines again. And I was like, all right, this is weird. No energy, zero energy. Now that I'm sleeping, I can't even get out of bed. I'm sleeping for eight, nine hours and I still feel tired. I don't feel well rested. My skin, I started having like redness and a lot of blotchiness, mostly on my chest and my face.

And then most recently, what's really started to freak me out was I started having allergic reactions. When I would be eating, I would either get hot or flushed, or I've actually broken out into hives. And I ended up with an allergist and an EpiPen because then I was testing positive for all of these other food allergies that I never had before. then they're telling me I can't eat oats or coconut or beets or all these other things. And I'm like, okay.

Nurse Caitlin (25:23.51)
something else is going on here. It's my gut. It's something, something is going on that I am completely unaware of and maybe it's all connected. So I saw a doctor and told her my symptoms and pretty immediately she was like, have you lived with any mold or there been any water damage? And I thought about it for a while and I was like, I don't really think so. And then I was like, wait, the pipes burst during

the ice storm in my apartment building and I don't know, but possibly. And then I thought about it a little more and I was like, my God, I think there was mold in my storage unit where all my furniture was before I moved into my new house. And I didn't even know that this was a thing. I mean, I didn't know how severely mold could affect your entire body, but.

So here we are. So now I am on a low histamine diet because I'm having this histamine intolerance, which can all be related to mold exposure. So here I am because you are who you are and you have helped me so much and you are just a wealth of knowledge and have the kindest, biggest heart. And I said in the midst of not trying to panic, Freddie lives so close to me and I'm going to be okay.

You're going to be okay. Yeah. You're going to be okay. So you're doing a low histamine diet and you're seeing our friend Dr. Ashley. Yes. So low histamine, anything else, any other modalities that you're currently doing right now.

Well, this all just kind of started. It's new. so yeah, super clean diet, low histamine, which is pretty hardcore. I'm also apparently you can't even eat leftovers. everything's either fresh or frozen. Yeah. I'm cutting out, well, food that has mold, coffee, which is devastating. But I believe there are

Nurse Caitlin (27:30.894)
alternatives. And as far as lifestyle things that are all happening, air filters in my home and looking into remediation, the humidity of my home, whatever that is, we're on track to figure that out. I'm doing little steps right now because I can't exactly just pick up and go.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's great. And that's, it's a great start. You know, I'm hearing you say energy, I'm hearing you say skin issues, I'm hearing you say heart rate, I'm hearing you say food sensitivities. And I want to just go back and say, if you were to go into a standard clinical care, or just your general practitioner, you know, it's very possible.

that we look at something to calm your heart down like a medication. We look at something like a histamine drug, possibly you get a cortisone cream for your skin, and Lord knows what they do for energy. But we're seeing a bunch of symptoms from the body and all these are just, we have to figure out why is the body offering you that information? What's the signal about? Yeah. You know, what's the signal about? Because the body, in my experience, doesn't make mistakes. The body is giving you.

It's having this perfect cluster of information input into Caitlin's body, and then she's expressing a skin. So I just was on with Dr. Dixon Tom from Biomed Center and you we were talking about the primary among theories of the body and him looking at what are the organ systems that are the immediate way for environmental toxicants or things that aren't helping you leave the body.

So we're looking at the skin, we're looking at the lungs, we're looking at the large intestine, we're looking at the kidneys, we're looking at the nervous system to off gas, right? So these are our primary among theories. Our liver, which we always think is our detox organ, is an among theory, but it's actually a secondary among theory. So the liver actually is a pass through for mold and bacteria and alcohol.

Freddie Kimmel (29:45.378)
to then be broken down and then it will go through the kidneys or the large intestine or the skin. And so we just want to understand it's like, what symptoms are arising as a result of what organ systems that are stressed right now. So taking that information, you know, I want to do two things on my roadmap here. And I got a big whiteboard. I've got the home and then I've got nurse Caitlin, right? I got two things I just want to talk about. And, and again,

This is not me like treating you. This is like, how would I work out this problem for myself? Well, first of all, if you have an immediate exposure, given your history, because you're you and know that your nervous system probably has like a tone and tenor to tamper to it, given your life experiences, you're a person who you might very likely live in that home with another human being and they could be totally non-symptomatic, no issues at all, but you're expressing

a unique sensitivity to your environment. And what I like about that is that there is not kryptonite in the room, which affects everybody. There's kryptonite, which affects you. And because it's you, you have agency to take that information you're getting and you do something about it. It's not a black ray gun. The sun is not crashing into the earth yet. You know, you're not doomed. This is your

information to make gold with, make it's alchemy, right? To make alchemy to better know your body. So I just want to always keep it in the idea that like, this is the fun stuff. And you're so you know, you're functional, you're doing things, but you're noticing your body's giving you information.

Yeah, I think it's been a little overwhelming, but I think it's more empowering to have this information now that I've for all these months been like, these are so bizarre what's going on. And what led me to you and Dr. Ashley is that all the mainstream doctors were doing exactly what you said. Yeah. Here, take this for your heart rate here. Just take Zartek and, you know, it's a bandaid and it's, you know.

Freddie Kimmel (31:54.828)
It's actually malpractice. Yeah. Just to be unfiltered and to be real, it's malpractice. It's gross negligence. It's laziness. And now I don't fault someone who is running on empty for operating with the tools that they have available to them. And that's what modern medicine is. That's why it's cracking. That's why it's breaking. That's why our, you know, I just, what's one stat. My risk of colon cancer is double that my grandmother's was.

It has such laziness.

Freddie Kimmel (32:23.826)
Our rates of neurological tremors, Parkinson's from 1990 has now doubled to 2024. A very short timeline to have these rates doubling. So this is the system that's breaking. The dam is breaking and we've got to ask better questions. that's essentially, you know, that's what we're going to do. We're going to ask some better questions. So if I just look at your home and I want to keep this simple, essentially,

You know, I said, I don't want to make this overly complicated. I want to give you a really clear roadmap into what would you do? What would I do if it were me and my body and I had your story, the facts, what would I do? And I'm going to divide it into two separate buckets. So I said home. I want to look at the home. I want to make sure the home is okay. So the first thing that we're going to do with the home is that we want to test the air quality and the most affordable way, most efficient way to do that is the got mold.

at home test kit. We're going to test the air outside of the home. We'll get an outdoor air sample. We'll test your bedroom. We'll test your living room and then like one other room. I think I have three little cartridges in there. And why we want to do that is because we want to understand the mold outside versus the mold inside. Mold is ubiquitous on this planet. Thousands of whale masses of blue whale, the biggest whale in the world. Thousands of those spores are produced every single year on the planet.

there's a very small portion of mold that is bad. And so all we want to know is what's the particulate count in your home? What's the spore count? What's going on outdoors? And is that good for you and your body? You know, before we go saying the word remediation, remediation, my remediation was $40,000 for my home. I had to rip the walls up, rip off the floors. I don't think that's what's going to happen with you. No. You know, I think you had an idea

that there was mold in your home. But again, we don't know that yet. Yeah. So we always want to test, you know, and before I go identify if there's mold in your body, actually, this is the first test I want to do. I want to understand, what is your living environment that you're in every day, all day, that you're so many hours, you know, a lot of times you said you're working from home. What's going on in that area and is it safe? Is it complimentary to your human genome? So,

Freddie Kimmel (34:44.62)
The other thing I want to mention is you said it's a brand new home. And so with a new home, with construction, we have volatile organic compounds, which are off-gas from IKEA furniture, from carpets, from paint. A lot of times these numbers can be shockingly high and it is the greater offender above and beyond mold. Wow. first, because we want to make it affordable,

That's what I wanna do for you. That's not what everyone might say, let's test the VOCs, let's test the mold. Let's do it all at once. We're gonna do one test at a time, and we're gonna look at what the greatest offender is. So I wanna eliminate that first. The other thing that I wanna do with your home is just do a visual check of where water, water damage, would be coming into the home. That's something that we need to understand. So I'm gonna look at under the sink, under the bathroom sink.

I'm going to look at the wet connections behind the washer and dryer. I'm going to look behind the refrigerator. The refrigerator, it might not seem like much of an invention to anybody here, but the idea that we have this compressor, which is actually displacing heat and inviting in cold is pushing out moisture at the back of the refrigerator. And a lot of times they're pushed up next to a non-vented area and drywall. So it's a great spot for molds to grow.

You know, I'm going to look at all those areas and I'm just going to do a spot check again before we go into this idea of remediation or deep cleaning. Now, if we identified mold in the home, one thing that I think people continue to have a reaction and sensitivity to is their clothes. You know, your clothes are in that air too. So if we found that one thing I'd have you do is I would have you double wash your clothes with Borax solution.

Borax is great for neutralizing and removing the mold particulate from your clothing. And it really does take two washes to get that done. It's super, super cheap washing material. Borax solution, Boron, that's the way to go. Easy breezy. But until we identified if there's mold, what's the source, is there an active growth, we're not sure. So we don't have a lot of information to move forward yet. You mentioned you're seeing our friend Dr. Ashley.

Freddie Kimmel (37:03.37)
It's great that you have somebody who understands all this, right? So she can look at the body's response and the body sensitivities, but I just want to understand on a deeper level what's happening with the home. a got mold test to start. We're going to examine the connections in your home where water may be coming in and out of the home. And we have a deep knowing that you are in a brand new home. So the idea that you said when you actually moved in the home, you noticed some things like some brain fog, like

some shortness of breath going out of the stairs. I thought this when you told me you were moving into a new home and I just, yeah, it's just, remember thinking that thought. I was like, new home. I wonder what those building materials are like inside. And so that's something where we'd say, let's look at a really quality air filter, like an air doctor.

or an IQ Air, which has eight pounds of carbon in it, amazing for VOCs. mean, your house smells like the Arctic tundra after you've had that thing running. It's just so clean. This air I've had tested a lot in this home is very, very clean. But the other thing that I mentioned is with the home, we really want to be thinking about is that environment suitable for mold to be growing?

And for that, we want to be looking at our relative humidity. So we want to be between 40 and 60 is the range that I got from Jason Earl. And he said you kind of want to target that 45. We don't want it to be excessively dry, but that 45 is right around the range of it's going to be really hard for mold spores to grow and to create a greater problem. Right? Because every time you go outside, you're bringing in mold spores.

Every time that the paint is slowly letting dust go, a majority of the dust in your home is human skin cells. Yeah. And mold and mycotoxin grows like wildfire on that. So with that idea of the home, what I really want you to thinking about is how you're cleaning your home. And the best way to do it is to wipe it up on a cloth and throw the cloth away or having a really good vacuum that has, again, a HEPA filter on it.

Freddie Kimmel (39:09.452)
vacuuming the walls, vacuuming the floors, doing a deep clean every once in a while, being sure you're using cleaners that aren't putting back VOCs into the environment, right? A really, really high level cleaner. So for now, for now, until we have more information, that's the mold. But I want to give you to do with the home, but I want to give you more of like, I want to go back to Caitlin's body, right? And we'll go back to this idea of energy.

issues, skin issues, maybe some heart palpitations, elevated heart rate, shortness of breath, going up the stairs, food sensitivities. Again, all these things that we mentioned, their information that your body is giving you is an opportunity to heal, not a way, we don't want to just suppress, we don't want to just give you a cortisone cream for the skin, we don't want to just diminish heart rate, we want to look at these signals as an opportunity to heal. And I don't think this is a repeat, but we talked about what are the organs in your body

that help remove toxins from the internal environment, be it mold, be it glyphosate, be it a metal, to the outside environment. And those are the primary amongteries. So that is going to be the liver, the skin, the lungs, the large intestine, the kidneys, and the nervous system, screaming, off-gassing. Now, I said liver, which I just, I lied. The liver is a secondary amongtery where the body is breaking down toxicants in their one of two pathways.

with this idea of the body, how do we compliment you? Like right now, I wanna think about, I wish my marker wasn't dying. I wanna think about how do you help the skin detoxify? Sauna. Sauna, great. Hot yoga. Sweating, hot yoga, wonderful. Yep. So how are we gonna sweat? And that could be a warm Epsom salt bath. I just wanna give something where everybody has accessibility to these things.

song.

Freddie Kimmel (41:07.106)
Like where is some, and not everybody has a sauna. But you have access to a sauna, right? Great, you have access to a sauna. So it's realistic that you could get some sauna in. It's realistic you can get hot yoga in. Very realistic you can do an Epsom salt bath. Or even putting on a good couple layers and going out for a very brisk walk. So I want you to use that largest organ of the body. And this is also like another thing that people have a pissing contest online is what is the largest organ of the body.

do where I teach yoga.

Freddie Kimmel (41:36.27)
It's sort of the skin if you look at like the surface area, but then really it's muscle. yeah. It's really muscle, right? Muscle is the largest organ of the body. I know somebody's like, you're wrong. It's the muscle. I know. I'm always going to be wrong, but this is again, this is my understanding of putting information into a knowledge based system so people can feel better. So that's how I look at it. So we want to think about how we can sweat to compliment the detoxification. Once there's like a caution light flashing.

We want to know what your home is doing. You know, you want to go in and all these crazy lifestyle things we're going to adjust that aren't crazy. If we're still breathing in every single breath, 20,000 breaths a day, imagine every single breath is again, toxifying you. And you're wondering why these holistic modalities aren't getting you better. Yeah. You know, so we got to have a clean home environment. So this is a good, this is our discovery methodology. You know, we might say,

Like if I go in there and again, I can't remember if I repeated this or not, that I am very sensitive to mold. the trigeminal nerve that goes up and around the brain, my teeth get sensitive when I smell mold. So I'm going to come over, we're going to do the got mold test, we're going to talk about cleaning. If I'm there and I'm like, whoa, you got to go stay with a friend, might be worth it. I don't think you're there based on what you're telling me.

Hopefully not. I was running through the list of things that were in my storage unit that are now in my home because that is where I know there was molds before I moved in. And the couch has been removed, but it was in the home. But mostly everything else is stuff that I could wipe down, furniture, clothes that I've cleaned. mean, it was all clean before it came in, but not with molds in mind.

With mold in mind, I think it's just an awareness. I think we've said it a couple times. We don't necessarily see people get better from mold that are afraid of mold. So we'll just keep that in. It's an awareness. It's like something we're gonna work with. I wanna talk about, you know, the other thing that I really wanna talk about, we mentioned the secondary among tree that is the liver. There's so much energetic about the fear and especially the trauma that is embodied in that organ and organ systems, liver, gallbladder, stomach.

Freddie Kimmel (43:52.694)
One of the more beneficial things I see as a lifestyle practice is doing a castor oil pack. And because so much of our immune system and our serotonin and the way we take food and we crunch it down into protein and it's assimilated into energy, all happens in the gut. Castor oil pack is a, it's an oil, it's a bean that has a unique property to be able to penetrate the skin deeper with heat when heat is applied. So a very simple castor oil pack, organic castor oil, organic cotton,

You put a tablespoon or two on your belly, put the wool on your belly and you put a hot water bottle on. I got a really fancy infrared heating pad. You can use a bio mat, whatever, but the hot water bottle, honestly, you know, we're talking all in. can get this pack. You can get $35. You're going to get 40 casserole packs. So we said, I kind of want to think about this parameter of the energy, the skin issues, the heart rate and the food sensitivities.

I want you to have a dramatic reduction in everything you're telling me in 90 days. Yeah. I hear a lot of people tell me they're working at this for years and they never get better. I question the validity of the care they're, the information they're getting. So I think the sweating, if you can give me, if you can commit to me, and I don't want you to do it now, I want you to write it out and say, how many days am I committing to a deep sweat? That's one. I want to think to you, how many days

Is it realistic for me at the end of my day to wind down with at least 60 minutes of a castor oil pack? And I'm going to show you a way where you can actually go to bed and just sleep with it. That's what I do. You know, I find it's very relaxing for me. So I'll put the castor oil pack on. It's a little messy. Some people say it's not messy. My sheets are stained and then I'll wrap a shower towel around and I'll put the hot water bottle and that's how I go to bed. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I get up, I go shower in the morning. I take it off.

I have went through lots of chemotherapy and Lyme and mold. So I generally do it every day. It's very relaxing. notice, I'm gonna tell you, I noticed after about a month, I was like, wow, I'm waking up fresh. Wow. Just cause I'm supporting these organs, right? Which deal with all these environmental toxicants. The other thing that we mentioned is this idea of predominant thoughts are forming a pathway in the brain. It's the path of least resistance, this limbic looping, something to look at.

Freddie Kimmel (46:16.328)
once we know what's happening in the home is the idea of dynamic neural retraining systems, DNRS. And that's an Annie Hopper or a Dr. Gupta or a ReOrigin. I think there's one called Rewild. There's so many, there's a Christian based limbic looping and training program. It's whatever you want to do, but we realize that the brain's wired to keep us safe when we experience a threat repeatedly.

brain will start to confirm that bias and look where all the threats are. And that's all we see. Yeah. We see red. And that's because you have your history with PTSD. It's something I just want to talk about. And it would literally be talking, the limbic loop would be like, I smell mold. my God, I'm over sensitive. I'm always going to be this way. I'm never going to have a normal life. What am I stand to lose? And the loop goes on and on and on. And so the threat that,

instance of being hurt by an outside thing creates the story and it just builds and builds and builds until it's a reality. Yeah. And only because I know so many hundreds of people who have went away for a five day workshop and done the Gupta method or the Annie Hopter method or a re-origin with Ben Ahern's and then they no longer have a problem and they've done no dietary changes. They've done no lifestyle changes. They haven't changed buildings and they're quite functional. Yeah.

I think there's a place for that work. It's not fast, it's not overnight, but it doesn't have to be, it can be as I see value as a little as 15 minutes a day, which is hard. I'm not gonna lie and say it's not hard. Consistency is king and that's a hard thing to do. But somewhere in there is you working with the trigger. I'm not locked in to what way that is. I think there's probably value in ketamine therapy working with those triggers.

If you're really cognitively or owning like, ooh, wow, I really, really feel myself clenching down and being, I really feel my body overreacting to this right now, creating a story on why I have brain fog this morning. What was I exposed to? What did I eat? Yada, yada, yada. Sure. You know, all those things. We talked about the idea that you're on a very clean food paradigm. You know, we talked about, you gave me, like, what did you eat this morning? It was all clean.

Freddie Kimmel (48:36.832)
Aside from the fact that you went to Whole Foods. And when I hear Whole Foods, think seed oils, think, God, I think sesame oil, I think canola oil, I think when these oils tend to be heated, they're incredibly toxic. In a body under stress, it doesn't really matter what the slight is or what the incidence is. So that's something. And with that clean, clean eating, with that clean dietary platform,

I just want to bring up the idea of using some type of a support system in the gut, because you mentioned digestion a couple of times, that would help bind to pathogens, mold, inflammatory proteins. My favorite one is Mega-IGG. So it's a non-dairy amino globulin, which helps support the immune system, binds to a lot of the bad guys in the gut. And then the other thing that I'll do is a proteolytic enzyme. It's a Fabrenza on Amazon.

and I take that on an empty stomach, that helps with fibrin in the blood, helps with the stickiness of the blood. That's a good overview. And the only last, if you told me you were like crushed with energy and you're really struggling, I would ask you, say, Caitlin, how many bowel movements do you have a day and what do they look like? Just the thing I wanted to talk about in the airwaves this morning. You don't have to answer.

I'll answer with it's not every day. So that's the first problem.

Okay, great. So before, so this is the problem, right? You get a doctor, like, you need to bind, you need to use binders until your natural amunctuaries, until the colon, until the kidneys, until the sweat glands are functioning, all they're going to do is cause you to be reactionary because we're putting essentially a binder, which is a

Freddie Kimmel (50:23.628)
something to form a covalent bond with the mold and we're going to pull it out of all the tissues and we're going to put it back into circulation where you can't poop it out anyway. So I really think, yes, I know it seems like an obvious, Freddie, why aren't you telling your binder? You need a binder. I need to know that your systems of drainage are functioning before we go there. So it's important. It's somewhere in there, some type of a humic and fulvic acid, some type of a bioactive carbon, not like a charcoal, which is like a burnt

Eliminated the source of energy but something to actively bind. Yes, you got to be pooping first. So Castor oil pack will help. I'd love to see if the castor oil pack alone didn't help your liver and nervous system tone with the clean food if that didn't get you going. And then obviously I'm coming in with some sort of a coffee enema, especially on the days where you don't poop. Okay. Have you ever done a coffee enema? Great.

No sir.

I'm not advising you to do a coffee enema. I'm not prescribing you a coffee enema.

Yes, I know. I know it's that.

Freddie Kimmel (51:25.718)
Right, we're not gonna tell people how to do coffee enemas on this podcast. No. But there's plenty of videos on YouTube and what you're doing is you're stimulating bile, you're stimulating the liver to flow. Obviously you're releasing things from the descending colon. You would typically be laying on your left side. You're not rolling all over and washing coffee throughout your bowels. Right? Yeah. You're just stimulating a bowel movement and man, if I had a nickel for all the people who had told me the second they did the coffee enema and my brain turned on. Stop it. I'd be a rich, rich man.

And I will do it typically, know, travel can interrupt your regular nature of the bowels. Stress can interrupt that scar tissue can interrupt that because of my surgeries at something I lean into. do one every two weeks, one a week, not all the time. But if you're in that really immediate exposure, once we have better information from the home, then we'll, you know, we'll kind of approach this. And the only other thing I'll say with that coffee enema piece,

I'm probably going to add a really high-end probiotic. There's one called Thenobiotic I love, which is actually a postbiotic. We're not going to get into that. That podcast is yet to come. think there's a Megaspore is great from microbiome labs. For ease and consistency, we can get the Mega-IGG. We can get the Megaspore all from one stop in a shopping cart. Okay. So that becomes simple. And of course, I would implore you to consult Dr. Ashley, who is your medical provider.

Right? And say, what do you think about all this? Once we make up this master list from our conversation, proteolytic enzyme, mega IgG, a good probiotic, a binder, once we know you're eliminating and sweating, right? I would tell you, you live close to me. There's no reason you can't come over and be in flowpresso once a week until your symptomology changes. We're going to look at the home. We're going to get some data back. that's sort of a, that's a starting roadmap.

That's right. love that. Yeah, we talked a lot. There's really not a lot of information here. We're looking at the diminishing energy, the skin issues, the heart rate, the food sensitivity. I want you to rate those on a scale. This is your homework. I want you to rate those on a scale where they exist today from zero to that's nothing to 10 in severity. And you're gonna text that to me. And then I'm gonna ask you again in 90 days. Perfect. Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (53:49.762)
That's it. So we're going to get information from the home with the Got Mold Test. We're going to look for moisture, the wet connections in the home. You're working with a practitioner who is looking at some higher level, some mycotoxins and some blood chemistry and some other things. But what we're really doing is we're making sure you're pooping. We're looking at your drainage pathways. We're making sure there's stuff to help you go to the bathroom.

If you still don't go to the bathroom, we might do like a bowel mover from Cellcore, which is an herb to stimulate and tone the colon. There's a myriad of different things. I think just the castor oil pack, you focusing on how many steps you're getting in a day, the energy behind the action of like, I think I'm not sure if this got cut out or not, but the idea of when you eat meals to sit down and just say, thank you for this food. Thank you for my

abundance that I can eat clean food that I want and just taking just a minute and a half before you eat, lower that stress response, calm the cells down, we're ready to take in nutrients. I think that with the mega IGD and the proteolytic enzyme that in 90 days, I want you to feel dramatically, dramatically better. And then we'll revisit, we'll do, we'll swing around again.

love it. And it's so tangible. It doesn't feel overwhelming. feels like easy, actionable steps that I can

We could go and test your body. I could go test your intracellular, extracellular matrix to see that there's a 3 % ratio of how your body's holding fluid. Can your cell let go of toxicity? We could do a body adipose index. We could do contact thermometry to see what cold did to your organ response. We could do, I could go on and on. We could do a heart rate variability test and see your stress levels. That might be good to look at.

Freddie Kimmel (55:46.168)
But right now we're really an information garnishing level and nobody that listens to this podcast is going to have an adverse reaction to a castor oil pack. Nobody is going to have an adverse reaction to a weekly coffee enema. Nobody is going to have an adverse reaction to 10 to 15,000 steps a day where you're getting in really fresh air and you're having that energy moving. Nobody is going to have a bad response to taking a minute and 30 seconds.

to breathe and say, you for this fucking meal. How lucky am I that I can eat clean food? Nobody's gonna have an adverse reaction for that. That alone. And then we can talk about greater levels of cleaning the home, And using a HEPA filter and wiping down surfaces. We could go down the rabbit hole. But I think what we just laid out, you should have a dramatic improvement in symptoms. Now, I don't know your body. I can't.

see into the future with a crystal ball. But this is my thought because these are some pretty heavy hitters here. And they're simple. I'll make you a checklist. We'll put a checklist in the show notes. And we'll go to it.

This is awesome. Yeah, I love it. Thank you so much.

Thank you for sharing your mess, which will be your magic with the beautifully broken podcast audience, your vulnerability, obviously your service as a nurse and for you having the courage and bravery to work this out. And you know, you're, know you, I, you know, I know it'd be so easy. Listen, I totally understand how people can just be like, I'm just going to mute this with substances. And I really do understand that. I understand why the numbers they are, what they are with substance abuse.

Freddie Kimmel (57:28.071)
You know, and you so you could take that route too, but you're taking the very courageous route of figuring this stuff out. So let's go.

Thank you. Yeah. for having me. my Thanks for what you do and your knowledge and sharing it.

my God, of course. Yeah, just I'm figuring out with the rest of us. I'm figuring out with the rest of us and I, everybody, I implore you to tune in, tune in the future. All right, big love.

Freddie Kimmel (57:57.004)
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