Unlocking the Power of Zeolite: Detoxification Secrets with Jeff Hoyt

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT 

Freddie Kimmel (00:01.622)
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the beautifully broken podcast. sitting here with Jeff Hoyt. Welcome to the show this morning, Jeff.

Jeff Hoyt (00:10.6)
Thank you so much for having me, Freddie. I'm excited for the conversation.

Freddie Kimmel (00:13.698)
Me too. really wish we could do this in person. just had this vision of, know, podcasting's great. Conversations are great. Conversational, the working through of ideas in real time. I really intend to find more time to do this live when people are in the same

Jeff Hoyt (00:32.488)
Yeah, I'd be down for that. always up to... I mean, I'm in Iowa, kind of in the middle of nowhere, so I'd probably be traveling elsewhere, but I'm down for

Freddie Kimmel (00:41.068)
Why Iowa?

Jeff Hoyt (00:42.56)
This is I grew up. moved around a little bit, Michigan, Colorado, Hawaii for a couple of years and ended up back here. So I'm not quite sure how long I'm going to be staying, sticking around, but I'm here for now enjoying myself.

Freddie Kimmel (00:54.626)
Yeah, we just bumped into each other at the biohacking conference in Dallas, Texas at Dave Asprey's event. And Matthew Kaufman grabbed us both in the hall. He's like, you guys need to talk. as this audience knows, we talk so much about Lyme and biotoxin illness and all the things that people struggle with. don't always find answers. You had an interesting insight

conversation starter around binders around zeolites are on clays and we distorted we almost just cracked the surface at the conference and what fascinates you with with binders and the binding of toxicity in the body.

Jeff Hoyt (01:35.954)
Yeah, it's, mean, it starts with just the need to detox, right? So that's kind of, that was my first realization is that when I was doing a lot of biohacking and health optimization techniques, but the one thing I wasn't really doing was effective detox. I mean, I think I thought I was at one point just with various things, but, I wasn't using a lot of binders. And when I started using them, I, it was just for my clients, especially just a little bit of a game changer.

Starting with the realization detox is essential and then there's all these different approaches to detox. And it's not, I don't think there's one way that's the right way. There's a lot of ways to get from point A to point B. I'm always looking for the most effective and efficient. But the thing with binders is it's, to me, it's kind of the opposite detox approach as most other strategies. And it can also be in combination, but you have most detoxes that are stressing out, I mean, by intent, they're stressing out the body, right? So you're using some sort of

or a push agent, right? So you're stimulating or a limp flow, something that's pushing toxins out of tissue and it's adding them to your circulatory load, which is going to stress out the body. Now, in individuals that have a high circulating load, that's where they're going to get a lot of detox symptoms because it kind of put them over the top of what their body was used to and ready to handle. it initially adds stress to the body, which is not necessarily a bad thing because you're still the net effect

usually going to be positive because a lot of those are leaving the body, right? So it's still a good, but with binders, the initial effect is it's reducing stress on the body. So instead of going in and stimulating stuff, pushing stuff out, it's just grabbing what's currently there and relieving that stress load. and then the body is just kind of the opposite. So from there, I think what happens in an effective binding protocol is the body naturally starts releasing these metals and toxic elements from organs. So opposed to a push catch technique.

where you're pushing something out, stressing out the body, and then you try to mitigate that stress through a binder with a, I call it kind of catch and release, where you take a binder, you're catching what's currently there, and then the body's naturally releasing on its own. And I think there's different strategies that work better for different people. It kind of depends where you're at, but I just like binders sometimes on their own and sometimes in combination with other protocols. Just because they bind, I mean, there's so much circulating toxicity, food,

Jeff Hoyt (03:53.842)
along with internally produced toxins like metabolic waste products like ammonia, histamine, various other things that our bodies are overworked. And if we can have something to come in and assist the body in its natural detox process, it's going to be invaluable here in the 21st century.

Freddie Kimmel (04:09.294)
I would agree with you. When I first started podcasting, I would say I think the next 20 years of medicine is going to be what we'll take out of the body, not what we're adding in. Not looking for miracle supplements rather, but to creating a terrain in which we can have all the self -regulatory processes in the body functioning as nature intended. At some point, Jeff, how did you get into binders? What drew you to detoxification? Do you have a little pain to power story?

Jeff Hoyt (04:38.376)
Yeah, just personal health issues. mean, just growing up, had, I was relatively healthy growing up and maybe not as healthy now when looking back on it that I thought it was at the time, but kind of traumatic birth experience was on a lot of antibiotics growing up just constantly. They never really worked. I just kept going from antibiotics, antibiotic, had some, some stomach issues. Just like, I remember my mom used to have to push her finger as hard as she could into my belly button, probably when I was four and five years old. And that was the only thing that would relieve pain in my

Freddie Kimmel (04:48.568)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (05:07.486)
when she would push it in as hard as she could. we had, when I was seven, I kind of healed from that. We had this big God -healed Jeffrey party at this swimming pool and this whole thing. And I was kind of good from there on out. But then in high school, I started noticing that I couldn't drive for one, like it brought daylight, right? I would fall asleep behind the wheel. So I think I had some serious yeast issues and various things probably catching up from the antibiotic use. I mean, on the way,

to get my license renewed when I was 17. And this is a 20 minute drive to the DMV in broad daylight. I fall asleep behind the wheel, right? I mean, just, I can't even drive 20 minutes in broad daylight. So I really, that was an issue. I didn't really think much of it at the time. I was just like, whatever. I was still playing sports, pretty active, pretty high functioning mentally and physically. Then I had a series of shots when I was 18. Not sure if we're supposed to say that word here, but you know, we say shots. People know what I'm talking about there.

And it just, a couple months after that, just triggered just kind of massive autoimmunity, know, strep throat, mono, same time, and then just started having recurring viral infections over the next number of years. And just, I was still trying to push myself because I was used to that physical lifestyle, playing sports. I tried to do the insanity workout program a couple of times. Those both immediately crashed me. That was a disaster. Stuff like that. I was just, I've got that type A kind of personality, but it

It forced me to kind of switch my lifestyle and stop doing that stuff, but ended up moving to Hawaii and I was out soaking up the sun every single day relaxing. And, just that's when I, I still wasn't well though. And I, I got introduced to functional medicine. one of my coworkers, I was working at cheesecake factory down there with my sister and he says, you got to go see, know, my functional doc. Cause at this point, this is the first time in my life that I had insurance. I never had insurance growing up. Never really went to doctors much after the initial.

bunch of antibiotics growing when I was very young. Um, and the vaccines were at a free clinic. went to actually get a physical to, uh, play tennis or something in high school. And then they're like, Oh, you haven't had, you know, these shots and bam, bam, bam, Gardasil and you know, some of the, the not great ones. And, um, so I get insurance when I'm in Hawaii through the cheesecake factory. I'm like, all right, cool. I'll check out, you know, some doctors and see what goes on. So I go to like 10 different doctors down there and it's probably.

Jeff Hoyt (07:31.09)
what most people have gone through that have gone through health challenges. They're just like, yeah, you're fine. It's just stress. You just moved here. It's all in your head. And then we can recommend you go talk to this person, sit on this nice couch and let your feelings out, that kind of thing. And I'm like, no, it's deeper than that. But no answer is there. And that's when my friend from work said, I've got this guy. He's a functional medicine doctor. I'm like, well, what's that? And he kind of explained it. So I go to this guy and he's like, yeah.

You got to take this allergy test. like, no, I've done the allergy testing. like, no, this one's different. It's not covered by insurance. I'm like, oh great. He's like, yeah, it's just like 400 bucks. He wasn't explained. He didn't explain it well at all, but it was a food sensitivity test. And so I ended up taking it because he gave me a little booklet on it. Do this food sensitivity test shows up all these foods. I'm like, oh, these are the foods I'm eating. And I'm like, I thought I was eating super healthy. I'm like spinach. I was eating every day, like three times a day and almonds and eggs and all this stuff. They're highly reactive. So I stopped.

Freddie Kimmel (08:09.11)
Yeah.

Jeff Hoyt (08:27.622)
eating those started feeling a lot better. said, this is pretty cool. That's what got me into functional med. I actually wrote a web, a website, hire Jeff .com and wrote a job proposal to that lab and ended up in going working and working for him. So that's how I left Hawaii. And that's when I started working with a lot of functional med doctors, kind of seeing what protocols were working, what, what we're not. I quickly realized that there was a lot more to it than food sensitivities, much more. So was just developing more and my gut wasn't healing and et cetera. So from there,

situation with my grandma, she ended up with a late stage cancer and we ended up meeting this guy kind of in the middle of nowhere in Iowa. He got me onto some like higher end nutritional supplements, more of the nutraceutical things and just interesting stuff. I'm like, why are these supplements so much more expensive than your traditional stuff you can get in the store? And he was kind of just explaining some just the advanced manufacturing practices of some of these things and these extracts, they're not synthetic vitamins

That kind of got me into my first company, Glycolife Sciences, which I started eight years ago, which was based on the science of glycobiology. So that's, know, sugars, but just immune regulation through polysaccharide extracts, basically, which is super cool. Cause when you look in nature at a lot of these immune regulatory agents, it's the polysaccharide content in them that's responsible for the immune regulation, like in medicinal mushrooms. And it's the specific monosaccharides in those polysaccharides that give them the medicinal benefits. So that's the difference between a medicinal mushroom

and a non -medicinal mushroom, right? It's the saccharide structure in the polysaccharide chain. So super cool. And I could actually look at like the structure of certain mushrooms and I could basically tell you what some of the benefits are going to be based on the monosaccharide structure. So super cool stuff. But anyway, that's how I got into supplements. Then I said, this is fantastic. I started doing this and I was really interested in doing things differently and doing things better. That's just my personality. So I would take

All at that time I was using 100 % proprietary branded ingredients that had clinical research and I looked at all the clinical dosing and everything and then I would just combine them with other clinically proven ingredients to make these formulas that really weren't on the market because they're very expensive ingredients and I was selling them for 159 bucks each type of thing. But I was giving therapeutic doses and really high quality products, no excipients, dyes, binders, dyes, any of that stuff. And that was working out really well but it was just so expensive to take those products

Jeff Hoyt (10:51.492)
high doses and people were feeling incredible for a few months, but I felt like it wasn't really getting to the root cause. Even though I was using Humic and Fulvic even back then in my products and some detox things I thought were working effectively, but potentially not what some people needed. And then I got into biohacking. So opened up a biohacking center, know, oxygen, hydrogen, PEMF, sauna, full body cryotherapy, all that stuff that that was great. That was just pre -COVID and that was great for a while.

And I'm more of a behind the scenes product development kind of guy. So was a little bit draining for me, but great connections, learned a lot of stuff. And it was at that point when I realized, okay, I need to start focusing on detox. And I hadn't even heard of zeolite at this point. Right. So then I hear about zeolite and I start looking into it and actually ordered a liquid zeolite my first batch. And then I quickly was like, well, there's something wrong here. And I got connected with someone who was actually the started the zeolite industry in the U

and connected with him and started asking questions, kind of understood a lot of the behind the scenes stuff with zeolite. So then I was taking zeolite. started my first zeolite through glycolife. I released a zeolite product. And then since then, I basically advanced the manufacturing of it. And that's when I started zeolite labs, which is just the next generation. So right now what I'm doing is trying to provide the best zeolite product on the market and also provide education on how to use it effectively. Because I think it's probably one of the most misused.

and misunderstood products out there. So I'm trying to provide that education on how people can use it to get good results.

Freddie Kimmel (12:25.282)
beautiful. Jeff, you're I love that walkthrough. It's like Iowa, Hawaii, functional medicine, starting a company research labs, the evolution. It's it's fascinating where we go, isn't it like where we started it

Jeff Hoyt (12:39.732)
Yeah, it's super cool because it just, I always knew I kind of wanted something in health when I was like around 17 ish. And I'm like, I never liked school, never liked it. And I'm like, what are the options? I was like dietician. I'm like, I just don't, I'm not into it. And I kind of was forcing things. I was just a serial entrepreneur just starting businesses like every few months just for fun. And it just wasn't there. And when I finally said, you know what, I'm just going to be content with where I'm at. That's when that opportunity at the food sensitivity lab

popped up and everything just went from there and just opportunities open. So that's kind of what one of my motto is, is I look for open doors and then walk through them when they're there, take advantage of that. So super cool.

Freddie Kimmel (13:21.39)
I want to highlight that I look for open doors to walk through

Jeff Hoyt (13:26.034)
Yeah, so yeah, I so I look for open doors and then when I see him I walk through them and then I have another step I add on I say if I if there are no open doors, then I start knocking.

Freddie Kimmel (13:36.534)
Yeah, I love that. love that. think that, you know, sometimes we want to get to the information or get to like the, the, the, the, the, it's like the pull quote. But for me, it's process. I never want to get to the end of the mountain top because the journey's over. And I think relishing in that process and looking for clues of where other people have found their open door, what happens when there isn't an open door.

Jeff, you've obviously worked in a lot of industries. You've seen a lot of different personality traits from biohacking center to working with people that are stuck in a chronic illness loop. Have you ever identified certain personality traits or qualities where you see a commonality where people are really able to move forward? They're able to really reap the benefits of everything that they're applying to their

Jeff Hoyt (14:24.264)
Yeah, I I think, well, one, it's it's a decision. Do you actually want to get better? And everyone immediately would say, yes, of course, I want to get better. But in reality, a lot of people don't aren't ready yet to commit to getting better. And I think it's because we identify with our conditions and we become one with the community of that condition. So like if we have Lyme, it's like I have Lyme and you make it part of you and then you're in these Lyme forums. You've got all these friends. And are you really willing to let go of that condition?

diabetes, whatever the condition name is. And I think a lot of people aren't truly ready because if they've been stuck in it so long, that's their new family. So I think one is the people that are really ready to heal and then willing to do what it takes. I do think some people know what they need to do, at least in part, but they're hiding it from themselves. And then they go and see these practitioners to try to kind of go around it. So sometimes it can be just forgiving someone. If you have this chronic bitterness,

and anger towards someone and you just want to use flower essences and bioenergetics to try to release that anger, that can all be helpful. But if you have to do it, right, there's no work around, like if you have to forgive someone, you're the one that has to forgive them, right? No one is going to be able to do that for you. So I think the people that are willing to do the work themselves, opposed to a practitioner doing the work for them, those are the people I think that generally get the best results.

Freddie Kimmel (15:49.484)
Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with you there. When we go back and we look at something like the food sensitivity test, which it's so funny, I feel like everybody finds that one early because it makes sense, right? It's like, well, something I'm doing is making me weak. And you find this offering for a list of all the foods. If people haven't done this at home, you'll send away, is it a saliva sample or a blood test? I think, is it both?

Jeff Hoyt (16:15.796)
Most of them are blood. There's various types, but we were doing serum blood,

Freddie Kimmel (16:18.286)
Yeah. Yeah, I think I did one called Sage. It was a long time ago. was very expensive. It was like $1 And I you know, I'd shout out the money to get this. And of course, like you, it was like the things that I was down to like sardines and mustard and walnuts and these really basic foods. And they were all the ones that were on the test. And I remember being excited. I do think I had some benefit from removing the foods. And then what I noticed is I just developed sensitivities to the foods that I had switched out.

that it became just kind of like a merry -go -round, if you will. albeit it was information to say, your body is responding to something, but just eliminating foods long -term, I didn't see great benefit from that. Why do you think that is, that people find themselves on the

Jeff Hoyt (17:10.26)
Yeah. I mean, I think it's like with the food sensitivities, it's kind of a temporary symptom relief strategy. But the reason you weren't born with 20, most people are not born with 25 food sensitivities, right? They're developed over time and they can be removed as well. They can go away. So the key, it's not a, you know, a root cause type of thing. So it's, you know, it's immune dysregulation. It's just an overactive immune system attacking these foods, producing antibodies. I mean, it's a gut issue. It's an immune system. It could be an emotional issue. You could have.

Freddie Kimmel (17:21.58)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (17:38.248)
you emotional stress tied to certain foods. If you were eating a certain food during an emotional time in your life or a death of a family member, you could develop a sensitivity based on that to a food. There's so many factors. So resolving the underlying issue is what's going to end up getting rid of those food sensitivities. Although temporarily removing them can help calm down the body, but it's just, it's just not the, the all in

Freddie Kimmel (18:01.538)
Yeah. And then I want to go back to one more thing. You said, I opened a biohacking center. You said PEMF, you said hydrogen, you probably had red light. What else did you have in the center?

Jeff Hoyt (18:10.356)
Um, so we had compression boots, bio mat, the full body cryotherapy, viplate, the oxygen we had, um, at the time it was the max O2, the, um, you want to say it with the contrast so we could go back and forth 25 ,000 feet elevation. I loved that one. Uh, full body red light therapy. Don't know if I said that neurofeedback. had neuro optimal.

Freddie Kimmel (18:20.043)
Okay, yes.

Jeff Hoyt (18:32.67)
couple different terms of, yeah, so, and this is kind of, this is pre COVID. So now it's like, everyone knows about this stuff, but that would in Iowa, no one had heard of any of this stuff. And I, my goal with it was recharge. was called recharge a new kind of health club. So I wanted to kind of make it mainstream because so many of these technologies can be there, you know, they're an investment, right? So what I wanted to do is I said, you know what, we need a new kind of health club. have these fitness centers.

Freddie Kimmel (18:32.812)
tools.

Freddie Kimmel (18:55.491)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (19:00.404)
Those are the health clubs of the 20th century because we moved from active lifestyles to sedentary lifestyles. So now we actually have to go somewhere to exercise, which just would be ridiculous a hundred years ago because you're exercising all day. But now in the 21st century, I we need a new kind of health club to mitigate the stresses of EMFs and just the stress is unique to the 21st century. So it was a new kind of health club and I modeled it in that way. So I was actually at one point offering a $99 a month membership, unlimited red light therapy, oxygen, hydrogen. I

PEMF fight plate like $100 and people thought it was too expensive because they were equating it to a health club. So if that was somewhere else, it probably would have done a lot better.

Freddie Kimmel (19:40.758)
Yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. I always love to ask and say, hey, because we often feel like look at the need. I'd love people to feel like I feel after I get off the LivO2 Max or the AMP coil or FloPresso. And we imagine it's very much like this field of dreams, build it and they will come. It's actually, and I just read a quote, it's like there's a, God, what is the phenomenon?

Mass amounts of people remember things incorrectly. I think it's a medulla effect, the Mandela effect. And actually the quote is, if you build it, he will come. I don't know if you know the movie Field of Dreams, do

Jeff Hoyt (20:23.176)
Yeah. Yeah. It's from, it's, it's based in Iowa.

Freddie Kimmel (20:25.986)
based in Iowa. And so it's about he builds this not for the masses, but for his father. And when he heals the relationship with the father and plays that final game of catch, then people energetically swarm in. there's the devil in the details of that nuance of they and he is really, amazing. But lots of people start centers. And because I work as a consultant, because I work in tech sales, I often see business models

very interesting approach to open the door, sometimes little to no planning and not understanding the market. how do you create that attraction, that real feel of community? I really feel like there's people out there that no matter what they did, and my friend Kathy Wheelahan, I just quoted it in the last podcast, whatever she does, people show up. If she does a yoga retreat, there's 35 people there.

If she holds an ice bath plunge challenge for, and this is in the middle of Connecticut, not a biohacker area, there'll be people there. It's really, she just has that energy to create community. Do you find any validity in

Jeff Hoyt (21:37.866)
a hundred percent. That's what I said from the beginning is the missing link here is community. Now is from the beginning. said, this is what we need. Cause the whole point was to franchise it and to put these all over just like a health club. So I mean, that's going to be the future anyway. Either the health clubs are going to incorporate all this stuff or they're going to be separate centers. But it's a lot of people go to a fitness center because of the community, right? They could easily have this equipment at their home, but they want to go be with like -minded people. So that that's kind of what we were missing. We didn't quite have the setup.

Freddie Kimmel (21:47.928)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (22:07.669)
for that. yeah, community with any business like this is probably the number one key to success.

Freddie Kimmel (22:12.718)
Yeah, I would totally join with you in that. There's a, we did for years, for a long time, I've hosted Fridays, like a Frequency Friday, or we'll have Biohacker Brunch on Saturday mornings. I just finished a new sauna. You know, we'll get eight to 10 people. The rule is kind of bring a friend who's never done any of this. And it's so fun to watch people experience. A, you get a bunch of people together talking. It's

conversation, but then you add the energetics of the heat and the cold and the light and the biohacking and it really is magical. It's watching. Yeah, we're high on our own supply. It's conversation community. It's the energetics of the tools. It's very magical in my experience.

I want to, Jeff, I want to go back to this idea. if we've been through this journey and the state of evolution and eventually setting on the idea that we need to support detoxification, can you, before we go any further, for anybody that's never heard the word binder, and they're not sure what that means, how would you define a binder?

Jeff Hoyt (23:20.422)
something that binds right in the simplest form right so don't overthink it it's it's something that goes in and it binds to things hopefully things that what depends on the binder some bind to a lot of things some bind to not as many things some bind to good and the bad some bind to just the bad so but it's in its simplest form it's something that goes in and it binds to things in

Freddie Kimmel (23:22.456)
Great.

Freddie Kimmel (23:44.6)
Fascinating. And then there's how does something like maybe people have heard of being rushed to the emergency room and having your stomach pumped full of charcoal is a binder. How does that differ from something like a humic or fulvic acid, which is really popular in the Cellcore brand or something like a

Jeff Hoyt (24:06.76)
Yep. So different properties, a lot of things in nature have binding capacity, even even fiber, like even, you know, eating vegetables, you're getting some binding capacity. Then you have traditional binders, like your activated charcoal. And then you have things like bentonite clay and various clays and, and pectins, things like there, there's smart binders. And then there's more traditional or what some people call dumb binders, right? That say traditional binders are going to go in and they're indiscriminately going to bind to things. Right? So an activated charcoal.

Freddie Kimmel (24:12.888)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (24:36.372)
you go to the emergency room, the pump you full of charcoal, it's just going to grab everything that's there, right? Which is fantastic for short term because it could save your life and it's grabbing stuff. But if the binder is going to be grabbing to essential nutrients and some things that you, that you want in your body, you don't really want to be taking it every single day, especially in higher doses, because that could result in nutrient deficiencies and some other issues. Now, sometimes the benefit is still going to outweigh the cost. So sometimes even taking those things every single day is still going

beneficial because you need to keep that toxicity down, which could be interfering with nutrient absorption anyway. When you have something like a fulvic humic blend or a zeolite, they work a little bit differently. So they're selective binders. So they're not going to be depleting the bad. Now I will say any binder can deplete essential nutrients and vitamins in an indirect mechanism, which I'm going to go to. And I think that's very important for people to understand because

Pretty much every company that's selling full vacuum, mix zeolite or some selective binder is going to say, it's not going to mess anything up because it's selective, but we have to look further. So let's get to that in a second. But zeolite, for example, works through a process called cation exchange. So it's working. It's not just a grabbing on process. It's an exchange process, which makes it a selective or smart binder. So zeolite is a naturally occurring mineral. It's got this negative charge and it's going to be attracted to positively charged elements. Now

zeolite is like a honeycomb cage. So it has already in its cage naturally occurring electrolytes, potassium, magnesium, sodium, calcium. These are positively charged elements because not all positively charged elements are bad. So that's why people say, well, zeolite binds to positively charged elements. Some of them are going to be good. Why doesn't it grab those? And it's because of the swap mechanisms. Let's say zeolite enters your body. It's got magnesium in its cage. It comes across mercury. The

is more attracted to the mercury than it is the magnesium, primarily because it's heavier, so heavy metals, it trades the magnesium for the mercury when it's swapped mechanism. So the zeolite cage always has to have something in it. It's not going to be empty because it has a strong attraction to positively charge your elements. Trades the magnesium for the mercury, the magnesium is left, now you have the mercury. So that's fantastic. If it comes across an essential nutrient or vitamin or essential mineral, it's not going to do anything because it already prefers the magnesium that it has.

Jeff Hoyt (26:59.324)
over other minerals. that's kind how it works. I'll stop there for a second and see if you have any comments.

Freddie Kimmel (27:07.523)
That makes sense to me. said a cage. Can you describe that to the audience? do mean Zeolite has a cage?

Jeff Hoyt (27:13.948)
It's just as the structure. It's like a lattice, kind of like if you look it up online, like, you know, deeply under a microscope, kind of like a honeycomb type of, so a lot of binders are just going to be adsorbing things, attaching them to their surface. So they've got kind of also will have some of them negative charge and they'll just attach these positively charged elements to the surface. Zeolite also does that. So things can attach to the zeolite surface, but it's got this structure that has the minerals in it already that it swaps for. And that's

gives it a more secure bond because it trades it. then once you've trapped the mercury or whatever it is in that cage, your bot, it's not going to be dropped. Like if it's attached to the surface of other binders or even a zeolite, then it could be dropped because especially if it's maybe two, maybe you have a zeolite cage that's, you know, a half of a micron and then it attaches to something that's two microns. So it's, can hold onto it for a little bit.

on the surface, but it might drop it because it's too heavy. If something is fitting inside of the cage, it's not going to drop it, but it can still swap it. And that's important to recognize. So let's say you take the zeolite, it's got the magnesium, it swaps it for mercury. Great. It's not going to drop the mercury, but what it could do is do another swap. So now it comes across lead. It's going to swap the mercury for the lead because it's more attracted to lead than mercury. And that's where

we can get into dosing where the dosing is super important because you want to have enough to bind to everything that was grabbed and then dropped and it's just a whole process. So, but just in general, that's kind of how it works. It just goes in and it swaps, just grabs it to everything. And then it has a cage where it can securely hold on to toxic elements opposed to just having them attached to the surface, which is just a little bit of a less efficient detox.

Freddie Kimmel (29:03.598)
Can I just walk through some common toxicants and we can just talk about the charge? Because you said it really has an affinity for binding or swapping out positively charged because zeolite is such a negative charge in that propensity. Something like, I'm just going to list a few. So we've got mercury, we've got lead, we've got mold toxins or like a biotoxin, like a bacteria or something like glyphosate.

Jeff Hoyt (29:32.818)
Yeah. besides bacteria, it binds, yep. Mercury binds to lead definitely binds to very strongly. Microtoxins binds to, it was actually used before it was used in humans. It was used in animals to remove the microtoxins from the food supply and then glyphosate as well. There hasn't been, to my knowledge, human studies on removing glyphosate from the body, but there's been studies showing, its ability to remove glyphosate from the water supply. So it has a binding affinity for that bacteria.

I don't know if it's, I don't think it's directly binding to any bacteria or microbes themselves, but it's binding to some of the waste products produced from those microbes. And so that's why in turn it can help regulate some microbial levels, but I think it's more of an indirect effect because it's definitely not negatively affecting your good bacteria. So that's, that's what we want. So, I mean, there's, I was just,

Freddie Kimmel (30:25.272)
Great. I want to just expand on that. So just for the audience at home, and I know this, I know this is my belief system, but not everybody understands this process, that the elements that we mentioned, mercury, lead, glyphosate, those are all going to compromise the body's inner workings or the immune system or the mitochondria. And then we have...

the other side, because a lot of people will say, I've got Lyme, I've got Spirochetes, I've got a Lyme bacteria or co -infections. It's my understanding that those co -infections, they're an organism which is off -guessing its own waste. So talk to me about that. Talk to me about the ammonia or the cellular waste from a bacteria that was a rampant infection in the body.

Jeff Hoyt (31:14.76)
Yeah. And I think, I think that's one thing that most people don't understand is that most of the symptoms you're experiencing, if you have chronic Lyme or one of these microbial issues, it's not from the bacterium bacteria itself. It's from the waste products of it. Right. So the thing, cause they're always excreting these wastes. That's generally what's stimulating that strong immune response resulting in an inflammatory process. So they are releasing things like you said, ammonia. And I really think that that's one of the reasons people feel so amazing when they take zeo charge.

that has people with chronic Lyme, think it's because of the, one of the reasons is because it's binding so strongly to ammonia, right? So, because if you have some sort of complex illness, generally you're gonna have an ammonia buildup because one, the microbial issue, you're getting extra ammonia from that. Your body's naturally producing ammonia every day as a waste product digestion, and it's converted in the liver to urea, right? So if your liver's overburdened, which it probably is if you've got a complex illness,

Now your body's having a difficult time converting the ammonia to its byproduct urea, then you get a buildup of ammonia and ammonia can circulate and then actually can go to your brain and cause a lot of issues. So just the binding capacity towards ammonia, I think is a huge benefit of zeolite. And also it binds to the urea as well. that's the ammonia gets converted to urea. So if your kidneys aren't working properly, then you can get a buildup of urea. So it binds to both of those, which is super cool.

So people with Lyme that are taking it, a lot of people think it's just going in and it's just removing the Lyme by binding to it. I don't think that's what's happening. I think it's binding to the ammonia and some of the other waste products. And then that's calming the immune system down. It's giving the immune system the upper edge to start naturally eradicating it. And it's just reducing, it's improving the body's internal environment so that it's not a friendly environment for some of these microbes to thrive. Right, so back to ammonia and yeast. mean, ammonia is very alkaline.

And a lot of people are like, I just need to get my body's alkaline as possible. We're not necessarily like yeast thrives in a high alkaline environment. You want different levels of acidity in different parts of your body. But the like with yeast is producing tons of waste products, the aldehydes and the zeolite also binds to aldehyde, which can be very helpful as well. yeast is Candida producing ammonia. And then that ammonia is generating an environment for the yeast to thrive. So like the waste products, you're helping it survive.

Jeff Hoyt (33:40.338)
So by removing the ammonia, it's making a less friendly environment for the yeast. So it might start leaving on its own or it might just weaken and then the immune system can actually eradicate it. So I like that, that approach because a lot of people can, can re do greatly reduce the load of these pathogenic microbes just by taking, just by a detox protocol because they're cleaning up the environment. And you know, there's all these theories, but I think one of the reasons we have a lot of these microbes

is to clean up the environment. Like they're not necessarily be demonizing, but they might not necessarily be a bad thing. They might be there to help you. They're there for a reason for sure. So it's back to, you just kill them, it's kind of like the food sensitivities. It could help you short term, but you're probably going to develop more food sensitivities. You go and kill all the stuff in your body. It might make you feel better for three months, but then generally you're going to end up with the same level of toxicity, microbial toxicity in a few months because they're going to come back because you haven't removed.

Freddie Kimmel (34:19.522)
Yeah.

Jeff Hoyt (34:37.054)
the underlying source of toxicity that was allowing them to be there to begin with.

Freddie Kimmel (34:40.428)
Yeah. Yeah. I would join with you in that. just, I want to give my, I want to give my unsolicited, unbiased opinion because I got a shipment from you of Zio Charge and you had recommended from, from my reference of very high dose. You know, I've, I've had times where in the past I had taken, goodness, the, the, the tip of

pen cap of a binder and been zonked for a couple days, like debilitating fatigue, felt really tired. I had a lot of mold in my body and I was really nervous because you said, Freddie, go ahead and do, I think I did 30 grams. I'm, I literally, and I got a interesting sensation, headache felt just almost high. And then for the rest of the day, I was so clear.

so clear and I'm five days in and I really feel like I was six months of travel. I knew I'd been seeing this for a long time. I'm pushing way beyond the level that is smart. Too many airplane rides, too much, too much. And I feel great five days in and every single time I do the dose, I'm no longer worried about, am I going to have a response? Cause I just keep getting this really nice cognitive benefit.

I noticed for me personally, it's between two and three in the afternoon where on some days I'm like, I have to take a nap. cannot, there's nothing left. I found that I really, don't need to with the Zio charge. It's been a really interesting turnaround in five days. So yeah, yeah, I'm stoked. I've already, you know, I've called four or five friends and I said, I don't, I

Jeff Hoyt (36:25.33)
Well, thanks. Yeah, that's amazing. Thanks for sharing

Freddie Kimmel (36:34.656)
Because when I get excited about something, I'm like, you guys got to try this. You got to try this. So I sent it out to like five friends who are going to do a little experiment with same thing. They've got a history of Lyme. They've got a history of chronic infections, chronic viral infections. So I'm stoked to get you some feedback on some other people who live in this world of being extremely sensitive to binders. So maybe it would be a good time just to talk about dose because I was

30 grams, is that safe?

Jeff Hoyt (37:08.68)
Yeah, absolutely. it's, and it is interesting because so many people, they email me or they call me and they just, they're like, how is this working so well? Cause these are people that have taken all the other binders to know all this stuff. They're like, I just didn't feel anything. And now like, why is it different? and I think one of the reasons is going to be dose. And I don't want to come back to, said, I would come back to it later. I just remembered that, how any binder could deplete nutrient status. So remind me that if I forget it, but regarding dose.

Freddie Kimmel (37:34.52)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (37:36.422)
It's interesting because we've all been taught and we've all heard to start low and slow with anything, right? Especially if you're a sensitive individual, sensitive to reactions. So a lot of people start with these micro doses just to test the waters. And then if it goes well, they just start working their way up, which is a fantastic strategy with most supplements, but with zeo charge, it's the opposite approach that I recommend, right? So I recommend starting high and working down. And it's because the micro doses,

of zeolite are more likely to cause the detox reactions than what I consider normal doses. So everyone says you're recommending these mega doses. I'd like to say they're really more normal doses and almost everyone else is just recommending micro doses, which I don't think zeolite was intended to be taken in those smaller doses. Right. So, so for example, and then I'm to get into the science of the, of the dosing, but when I look at other binders, you don't see pectus all C great binder. You don't see that in a liquid

it's in a powdered form. don't see activated charcoal necessarily like in this tiny, tiny amount, right? You're always getting 200, 400, 500 milligrams or more of generally of these things. You're not getting one milligram of these things. Bentonlight, clay, all these other binders are not really, they're not naturally occurring on liquid forms and they're not really sold in that form. with zeolite, I'm getting on a rant with liquids, but it's involved with the dosing. So that's why people think that I'm recommending high doses when I'm

because now you have a lot of companies that are recommending one milligram or less than one milligram of zeolite per serving. And it's because they've taken the zeolite powder, mixed it with water, and there's only so much zeolite you can fit in the bottle. Or they've used an advanced manufacturing method and nano -sized it, which is gonna be a little different, but still, these are incredibly low doses. So when people are taking 300 micrograms, and I'm recommending what you took, which is 30 grams, 30 grams is exactly 100 ,000 times the dose of 300 micrograms.

100 ,000 times. So it's not that it's like some super mega dose is that the other dose I think is just way too small. So the reason that's problematic and no one really understood this, I kind of came up with this idea of the, of the dosing through a lot of experimentation. But, um, when you take a little bit, it goes in, it just kind of makes a mess, right? So when you, when you take a binder, the entire idea is to reduce the stress load on your body. That's why you're taking the binder, whether it's just on its own to reduce the stress load.

Jeff Hoyt (40:03.44)
or in addition, complement of another detox protocol that is stressing you out to reduce the stress. If you take a very, very tiny dose of zeolite, it's going to go in and generally have the opposite effect where it adds stress to your body because it goes in and it's going to start disrupting things. So there's a lot of mechanisms of action. So one is just going to be biofilm disruption. So it goes in and let's say it rips some lead or something out of a biofilm. And then you've disrupted this thing. Now you've got microbes floating around. You've got these metals.

and you only had enough zeolite to go in and break open the bowel film and grab to a little bit of the lead. But now your body has to deal with the rest of those things. So you've added stress to the body once again. If you took a higher dose, it still goes in and disrupts bowel films and whatever else it's going to do kind of makes a mess. But now you have available zeolite cages to help clean up the mess. Right. So a little bit goes and makes a mess. Your body has to deal with that mess. A higher dose goes in, makes a mess and it cleans up its own mess. Right. So my kind

theory on it. And there's a whole bunch of information on this on the website. I've got a whole higher dose theory that just states that 10 ,000 milligrams of zeolite is less likely to cause a detox reaction than 10 milligrams, right? So that's a way higher dose. And there it goes into all the reasons of that. So one of them is the swap as well that I mentioned earlier, where if it magnesium, grabs mercury, then it drops the mercury for the lead. Now the mercury is floating around.

And then your body has to deal with that. But if you have extra zeolite cages, it goes in and grabs the mercury. So lots of reasons on that page there. But that's kind of the basis of it. When you take zeolite, one of two things can happen. It can add stress to your body, or it can reduce stress to your body. So the whole point is that you want it to reduce stress on your body, because that's why you're taking it, unless you're taking it as the primary detox agent where your body starts naturally dumping things from organs, which can sometimes add stress to the body. But that's a little bit different.

Freddie Kimmel (41:58.742)
Yeah, I really love, you know, it's my belief system from Dr. Tom, my mentor at the Biomed Center. Just again and again, that he says this very boldly. goes, I have never seen a Herxheimer reaction. He's like, I don't believe in that word. He's like, I think we push our detox pathways or our drainage pathways beyond what they can handle. And when you think about it that way, you have a little more ownership as far as what the body's doing. It's

For me, I hear that and I just say, I just need a deeper listening to the information my body is giving back based on this protocol. And I've really noticed that because I find personally that there are things that I can do to mitigate these responses, which are pretty spot on. Not eating, just straight up fasting. I can really lay into the coffee enemas. You know, I can get in

to do the full body Lymphatic drainage. And all of those things are immediately de -burdening my body from some portion of load or burden. And they're my go -to, you know, heavy hitters. The zeolite charge is now on the list. You know, so I've got these three or four things and I can kind of mitigate this. I want to point to the, you actually offer a protocol

the zero charge website page, is it's basically you're getting a 20 pack because I noticed a can I go through really quick on six scoops. was like, oh my goodness, it's gone. It's only been four days, five days. Can you talk a little bit about this 20 jars like going through and it's a, is it a, it's a month, it's a five month protocol.

Jeff Hoyt (43:41.842)
Yep, exactly. So, and really the key is the healthier you are, the less you need, right? The more sensitive you already detox, the more toxic you are at the higher dose you're going to need. And just right off the bat, if the general rule of thumb is if you experience a reaction, then take more the next day, not less. So I'll say that, but we developed this five month program, the ultimate zeolite experience because you start based on, we did a case studies program prior to launching. So we did six months because we wanted to actually

see what the zero charge could do when we wanted to alleviate some of the concerns in the zoolate industry. And we honestly didn't know like, it going to cause aluminum toxicity? Is it going to deplete essential nutrients and all these things? So we did these, you know, bunch of case studies prior just to just to get some data, which a lot of those are on the website. But from there, we found that six scoops was like that was kind of the sweet spot, especially for the super sensitive people with more complex illnesses. A lot of people don't need that high of a dose.

but it's always better to err on the side of a higher dose than a low dose because if you're taking more than you need, basically you're just flushing some out and you're kind of wasting it, but it's not, doesn't have a detrimental effect, right? If you're taking too little, that's where it can result in an inefficient detox. So it's, it's better to take too much than too little. But we did, we did this program because we start with six scoops the first month. You take six scoops every single day for a month. The next month you go down to five scoops every day. The next month for

Freddie Kimmel (44:49.326)
Thanks for watching.

Jeff Hoyt (45:04.872)
than three, than two. So the whole concept is the healthier you become, the less you need. And you want to start with that higher dose. And this is to avoid or minimize greatly the detox reactions that can occur. Because if you start with a super low dose, you're more likely to get the headaches and the nausea, irritability, various other symptoms that you're prone to. When you take the higher dose, generally you're able to avoid those. So that's kind of the concept for people that are going to use this as kind of a primary detox agent or just want to try

and aren't on a ton of other stuff, I think that protocol is fantastic. And you just do it once a day, right? So six scoops all at once, because the key is to get enough on each dose. It's not a cumulative amount throughout the day. Now, if you're if you're already on a pretty detailed detox protocol, let's say you're do you know, you're working with a practitioner taking a lot of push agents or something, then I think it's probably better to split up the dose and use it more as a traditional binder, we are going to be binding some to some of the toxic stressors that are released from the push agents.

Freddie Kimmel (45:43.65)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (46:02.1)
So for example, if you're doing a homeopathic detox agent twice a day, then take the zeo charge 30 to 60 minutes after you take that homeopathic, twice. But if you're just using zeo charge as the primary detox agent, I recommend just taking it all at once, once per day, and that's what we found to work better than twice a day, honestly.

Freddie Kimmel (46:10.764)
Mm -hmm.

Freddie Kimmel (46:21.806)
Yeah, I would implore people listening to this podcast. It's really interesting. there's case studies on the website as far as like showing case by case basis of aluminum down 36%, aluminum down 34%, mercury down 27%, lead and cadmium down 30%. Jeff, can you talk about how you're garnishing the de -burdening of the toxic load, be it any of these structures that I'm mentioning?

Jeff Hoyt (46:50.74)
Sure. So the test we used was the illegal scan. So it's a tissue analysis, which is pretty cool. So it's using spectrophotometry at shining light into your hand. And it's actually measuring the physical levels of the metals, minerals, and a few vitamins that are in your hand. So it's not a bio energetic. Now every heavy metal test is going to be limited because we have to understand what we're looking at. Right. So when we're doing a blood test, we're looking at what is circulating in the blood. We're doing a urine test. What is being excreted through the

hair, what's through the hair. With this, we're looking at what is in the tissue of your hand right now. So none of these tests are giving us an idea of how many metals, what is our total toxic burden, right? How many metals are in our brain or a kidneys or liver? really don't, without a biopsy, we don't have that information. So a lot of times these tests can be a little bit misleading because the people that are even, that are the most toxic generally have the lowest levels on all of these tests.

because their body is keeping these metals deeply stored in tissue and they're not naturally detoxing them as a self -defense mechanism. So that's one thing to consider because the body is going to be more focused on short -term survival over long -term thrival. Right? So the body, sounds crazy, but a lot of times the body will prefer to keep mercury in your brain, even though it's deteriorating the brain and causing issues, it would prefer to keep it there opposed to trying to remove

Freddie Kimmel (47:55.309)
Okay.

Jeff Hoyt (48:14.44)
where it's gonna be attacked by the immune system, going through the detox process and causing this incredibly stressful event. If your body can't handle that amount of stress right now in your life, the body says, I'm just gonna keep this mercury in your brain. I think that's why a lot of people, it just never leaves, right? And the metals just stick in organs, because organs in fact is a storage unit for these toxic elements. And it's hiding from the immune system to some extent. So there still can be causing central nervous system issues and other issues, but a lot of times it's causing

less of an immediate issue than trying to get it out type of thing. So that's just a rant on the testing and why I think regular testing with any method is very important because you want to identify it's all each test is a snapshot and you want as many snapshots as you can get to get the best storybook. If you just test once every few months, I mean, honestly, I it's probably it might not be as helpful as people think because we don't know what happened in the meantime, right? The body dumped one thing and then it cleaned it up. It dumped it. It cleaned it up. So

Back to the illegal scan. So we're measuring these tissue levels and what we're able to see is when the level you want the level to rise on any test that means it's coming out of somewhere tissue or organs and it's going being excreted from the body on Hair urine and these are all great tests if you could do a mall It's fantastic, but you don't necessarily know where these metals are coming from Is it just general tissue or is it organ level? Because I think there's three levels of toxin storage on the body. You've got level one I call which is kind

exposure, what your body's currently processing. That's going to be in the gut, know, circulation level one. Then you've got level two, which is kind of, call it a short -term storage or general storage. And that's going to be your general fat throughout your body. And that's what we're measuring with the illegal scan in the hand, just general fat, not in organs. And then level three is going to be the deep storage and that's going to be organs. The body, think, prefers to keep as many metals as possible in this level two general tissue because it's not really causing that many problems.

it's not affecting organs and it's not exposed to the immune system necessarily. You don't want it in, if that level fills up though, it has to go somewhere and the next option is organs. So once you have it in organs, if level two is full and you have a high circulating toxic load, your body has nowhere to go. So it just keeps accumulating more and more and more of these metals and organs and the body doesn't necessarily want to dump metals from organs into level two or one because it increases, that's where you get the symptoms. So like if you

Freddie Kimmel (50:39.596)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (50:40.508)
a detox agent, a key leading agent, or any sort of stimulant to detox, and you immediately get terrible symptoms, you probably already have a pretty high circulating toxic load that you're kind of at your stress threshold. And then if you put anything else into level one, it puts you over the tipping point. And that's where you get these symptoms. And that's where everyone thinks this is a fantastic protocol. It's working great, which is kind of true to some extent, but your body is telling you that this is too much stress. This is more stress than I want to handle right now. Hence the symptoms.

So if you can detox without the symptoms, that's always going to be ideal. That's why I think what's happening with zeo charge is just just grant instead of pushing things from level three and level two into level one causing symptoms, it's grabbing what's in level one, reducing that. And then the body says, now I have room to receive more. And it naturally releases the metals from the tissue in the organs. And we can see that from the case studies in the illegal scan where the levels actually rise on the test, because if the levels are arising and they're going into general tissue,

They have to be coming from a deeper level, which is organ, which is super cool. If they rise on any of the other tests, we don't know if they're coming from general tissue or organs, because it's a lot easier for metal to dump metals from general tissue to level one than from organs to level two and one. And I've seen this effect I call detox cycling where the body goes and has these phases. So it'll dump metals from organs into general tissue. And then the body says, OK, that's too many metals in general tissue. And then it cleans them

it brings them out of the body into level one and out. And then the body repeats the process. So if I test everyone every single month with the OligoScan, the level will go up and then it'll go back to baseline. It'll go up, back to baseline, up, and it just repeats over and over and over. Because it appears that there's a specific level of metals in each person's hand or general body tissue that the body is comfortable with. And it's potentially not even really causing a problem at that level. That's the baseline.

Freddie Kimmel (52:36.503)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (52:37.012)
And then the body dumps a specific amount from organs into general tissue. And then the body says, that's enough. And then it clears it out. And then it repeats. So it's super cool. But you miss that on pretty much every test and even the illegal scan. I think if you're not testing routinely, because you missed these cycles, but it just shows you how incredible the body is. Because the body's never just going to be in dump phase 100 % of the time. Because if it becomes too stressful, the body is going to say, OK, that's enough.

Freddie Kimmel (52:45.347)
Yeah.

Jeff Hoyt (53:05.715)
And potentially if you're using some agents that are going in and forcefully pushing things out, it might be able to do that. But do you really want to is the question. When I say, when I detox, I say, I want to work with my body opposed to fighting against it. And I think a lot of chelators and things are often fighting against the body's natural detox processes opposed to working with it. Because if you have back to the situation where your body doesn't want to let go of mercury because it's too stressful to let go, if you go in with a strong

Freddie Kimmel (53:15.288)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (53:35.812)
synthetic chelator and try to rip out mercury from a tissue, the body might not even let go to begin with. And that was a revelation to me with the case studies because I had a few people on OSR, which is Boyd -Haley's mercury chelator, which is the strongest known chelator. mean, for mercury, it's absolutely incredible, but that wasn't even removing mercury in people with the complex illnesses, which was crazy. But it makes sense because when you look at all these studies, it removed all the mercury in a matter of weeks.

from the animals and it was incredible for coal miners and humans as well. But when you think about it, if you were just exposed to mercury, your body doesn't want it in there, it doesn't know what to do with it, it's gonna let go. The chelator comes in, the body, the cells should say, it. But if that mercury has been in your brain for 35 years from the malcom fillings, and then you take that chelator, it's a whole different situation. You can't use those studies for short term, know, acute situations and compare them to chronic illnesses because the body responds differently.

because now it's in self -preservation mode and it might not be ready to let go. So I think the key to an effective full body detox is to get the body to naturally push out or let go of these deeply stored metals on its own, especially in the, you know, the complex health challenges. So I think with zeochargent goes in and it binds to level one circulating toxicity and then the body, and sometimes it takes a month or two, but then the body starts naturally letting go because it's relieved the stress burden so much calmed the storm in the body.

that the body says, now I'm in a better position to detox and it starts dumping things. So I think that's one approach. There's other approaches that work great, especially if you're healthier where you can go in and you can literally rip stuff out and you can push stuff out. for people that can't handle that, they have to have another approach. And this is one that seems to work incredibly

Freddie Kimmel (55:20.066)
Yeah, it's, it's one thing I want to highlight is again and again, we hear on this podcast that there is a biological order to healing and the body is actually, it's so hyper intelligent. And we've, we've said this a couple of times, the body is taking environmental toxicants. It's storing it in a safe place out of blood supply. It's going to put it in the fat. And so we have this, this is, this is the way the body was designed in a divine nature. So we have to work with that biological order.

of healing. I just again and again, it's like, use the pathways that exist within your body, don't fight them. I just want everybody to hear that. Jeff, when we talk about this idea of doing this five month protocol. And I like I like the idea because when I when I when I look at a identified a problem environmental toxicity, it's undeniable what we're facing within

the healthcare system, the sick care system in the United States right now, just all chronic diseases, they're doubling every 20 years. It's doubling. So what we're doing isn't working. And I would look at something like this and say, why is that happening? We can all look at the trends. There was quite a stern trend reversal after the industrial revolution. I think a lot of the costs of modern living, be it the IKEA furniture or bathed in,

all the different signals in a smart home, we can say, you know, we have to look at some of these things and just wonder within this biological order of healing, within this idea of a five month protocol, I do like the idea that at the end we're tapering down, I wanna highlight this for everybody, we are tapering down to one scoop. When you're looking at this, when you're looking at your community of people who are using ZeoCharge from Zeolite Labs,

What are you seeing as far as the time or duration people are needing to be on the high dose and come down into a maintenance dose to maintain some of the effects of the body that now exists with a lower level of toxicity?

Jeff Hoyt (57:30.056)
Yeah, great question. So it's so highly variable from person to person. And it just depends on, I think a lot of it depends on like regenerative toxicity. So when I say that, think you've got multiple sources of toxicity. A lot of it's from external sources, food, air, all that. But I think the majority of the toxins that we're exposed to on a daily basis are produced within our own bodies. So if you've got the microbial overgrowth and all these other things,

you're producing more ammonia, more free radicals, more histamine, more aldehyde, more all of these things that our body has to deal with. And if our body's using all of our detox energy on that stuff, it's not going to be able to deal with the other stuff as much. So let's say you're taking the zeo charge and it's removing a lot of

stored toxicity in your body and exposure and all that and you're good. Like you can go down to one scoop when you're good, but let's say you have a chronic microbial infection that you just can't kick for whatever reason and that's producing 90 % of the biotoxins and maybe you need to stay on three, four or five scoops just to deal with that type of thing. So it kind of depends on what is the source of toxicity and is zeo charts effectively addressing it. So in most people it's going to be effectively addressing most of these sources. But if there's something else that's producing toxins,

at a super high level. And you'll kind of know because if you go down to one scoop and you start feeling worse all of a sudden after you're feeling incredible on six, five, four and three and two, then you know you need to bump it back up the two scoops. So you just need more binding capacity. So think of each scoop as a certain amount of zeolite soldiers or binding capacity. The more toxins you have present, the more binding capacity that you're going to need. So for most people, just the six, five, four, three, two, like 99 % of people, that's going to be great. Then that one percent they're going

maybe need to stick on a higher dose for a little bit longer as they're going through the healing process and, you know, going through emotional stress and all these other stressors, because it's not just, it's not just physical, you know, sorts of toxicity. You've got all these stressors and stress is anything, in my opinion, that makes the body work harder than normal to stay balanced. And those stressors take away from your body's detox energy. You've got a certain amount of energy you have to use on everything. And let's say 20 % is used on detox.

Jeff Hoyt (59:46.708)
If you're going through an incredibly emotional, event, it's going to be taking away from your detox capacity. So even dealing with those things and anything that's a super stressor in your life is going to basically reduce your dose of zeo charge. So it's a big picture type of thing. But in general, I would say if you start with the 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, most people are going to be good. And you'll know it after a month if you go down to 5 and you say, oh, I need to go back up to 6, just go back up to 6 for the next

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:04.973)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (01:00:17.044)
And so some people have to extend it a little bit, but there's not really any way to tell without getting going on it. And another reason I started with six on the protocol is because every single person that took six was able to detox all of the 15 metals that we tested for from all three levels. So we were able to get the metals coming out of organs in all three levels based on the illegal scan and my theory on that, just from the six scoops. Some people would take two scoops and

It was only able to reduce the levels, but it wasn't able to get the body to naturally push out, push out matters from organs until they doubled or tripled the dose. So that's where we came up with six. So like my mom, for example, was taking two scoops for a couple of years and she had it kind of pre during development. And she was also taking OSR for a couple of years, mercury chelator. I assumed this was getting all the mercury out of her body. Then I start testing her and I'm like, it's not like her mercury wasn't moving at all. Like she was detoxing other metals, but not mercury. And then

Freddie Kimmel (01:00:54.786)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (01:01:13.812)
get her off OSR, she doubles the dose of zeochar, she's on, it was four tablespoons, which is about five to six scoops. And within the first month, her mercury skyrockets, shoots up and all of her minerals just incredibly balanced and vitamins skyrocket as well. So it's like, she probably wasn't detoxing any mercury that two years before when I thought she was because she had 14 amalgam fillings in her mouth, had some issue, like just her body wasn't willing to let go. And that's really the key. The body has to be willing to let go of these metals. Otherwise,

not going to let go. So you could be taking a zeolite product or some other detox product for 20 years and it's possible that it's not even detoxing what you think it's detoxing because detox is up to the body. It's not about a supplement or it's literally does your body want to let go or not and sometimes it takes up to six scoops to encourage the body to let go because it reduces enough stressors and circulating toxicity that your body says I'm now comfortable to let go. So that's why we did six because it basically

our opinion is that it's almost guaranteed to detox people to some extent. So that's kind of why we put that out

Freddie Kimmel (01:02:16.534)
Yeah, brilliant. You know what, I want to ask you one more question. I also, I'm realizing we'll definitely need to do a part two because there's just, I would love to get through the five months and then swing back around and see how we're doing. And I'm going to be meeting up. I'm going to be doing an oleo scan. going to, just sent away my hair mineral analysis, my beard. I grew my beard out and shaved it off to get whatever it is, my, however many grams of molecular weight of hair to see what's going on. So I like doing

Jeff Hoyt (01:02:37.876)
So.

Freddie Kimmel (01:02:46.412)
I do like almost doing like triangulation because I have a precision medicine doctor. So we can look at blood. We can look at circulating supply. I can do the alio scan, but I can also, I can do the HTMA, the hair test mineral analysis and see where my levels are. What have you found? Now here's the only thing testing. know it's good. It's good to understand where we are, but a lot of times I'll look at the sunk cost of testing.

And as long as I'm feeling better and I'm moving forward, I find that there's enough case studies out there and evidentiary proof that this does this. So sometimes you can save yourself the cost of testing because it really doesn't change much from knowing we need to get eight hours of sleep. We need to get REM. We need to breathe clean air. We need sunlight. We need clean food and clean water. And we got to walk and we have to find a sense of purpose in life. And I just look at those. They're so basic.

But there's so many times when you speak to people, they're like, I hate my job or, you know, I do pretty good, but on the weekends, it's trash. I think if you're doing those things and you're committed to something like this, you can see some real progress. That's just from my experience. I would love to hear your thoughts on whether people should invest in this monthly testing of a mineral analysis or the audio scanner or whatever they're going to look

Jeff Hoyt (01:04:08.754)
Yeah, think, I mean, one thing to understand is if you're doing testing, you're going to spend more on the testing than the entire protocol itself. So if, if that's an issue, spend the money, I always say spend the money on what's going to make you better and not just to identify opportunities. Cause you know that metals and other toxic elements are a problem for you a hundred percent because they're a problem for everyone. So you already know that it's not like something that you might need type of thing. Right? So if you're going to do the testing, I would just highly recommend that you have to commit to doing

Every month every six weeks because you want to see these cycles if you because what some people do is they'll do a test They'll do a test after the five months and it sometimes there's a great improvement Sometimes it looks like absolutely nothing happened and it's because the body has gone through all these cycles and it it goes back to where it started because that baseline is kind of your stress threshold and metals so you might have pushed out tons of metals, but you don't see it because you didn't get the snapshots so and I've got video on the site detox cycling under

case studies page, which kind of shows examples of people that after like nine months, it looks like nothing happened, but I tested them regularly and there was tons of movement and improvement. So if you're going to test really with any method, I would say test regularly to get a bunch of data points. And then, otherwise I would just do the protocol for most people. I would say it's probably better just to get started on the protocol because most people are, are just not, the testing is so misunderstood and most practitioners just really don't understand any of the heavy metal testing.

that well that it's tricky. mean, the H TMA is different because there that's more you're looking at the mineral ratios and you can see oxidation rate changes in that. So I like that one. But in terms of just doing like a urine challenge test or just a normal urine chest test after like six months, it's like it's so limited in the data because none of these things are giving us organ levels. It's just telling you in that one moment, what was your body pushing out? And that could change four hours later. So it's just it's tricky. So don't think

Freddie Kimmel (01:06:00.756)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Jeff Hoyt (01:06:05.438)
Like if you're going to, if you're going to be super disappointed if you get a test and it doesn't show incredible improvement, just don't do the test because you're, you're always going to have better improvement than the test is showing unless you're testing. Like some people I've had test every single day with like chelation stuff, right? It's like, but not many people are going to want to invest in that type of thing to really get that data. If you have access to it, go for it. But otherwise I say, just go on the protocol because you know, it's going to be benefiting you in some capacity because everyone has some level of

Freddie Kimmel (01:06:20.141)
I'm

Freddie Kimmel (01:06:31.874)
Mm -hmm.

Jeff Hoyt (01:06:34.024)
So it's binding to the heavy metals, binding to mycotoxins, it's binding to the metabolic waste products like the ammonia, urea, the microbial waste products, it's binding to BPA, glyphosate, it's binding to a lot of these toxic elements. It even binds to radioactive materials. So it's been used in nuclear disasters like Chernobyl to clean up the water supply of cesium and strontium -137. So it binds to so many things. None of us are completely clean. So whether it's things that are stored in our body for years or it's things that we're exposed to on a daily basis,

It's able to bind to a lot and it's also able to detox things that it's not directly binding to, which I think is really interesting. So you've got the direct binding effect and then you've got the detox optimization effect where the body, once you clear all this stuff from circulating toxic load and in the gut, then the body naturally just indiscriminately dumps stuff. And it might not even be things that zeolite's binding to, but it still excretes them because the body's only dumping things from tissue that it can handle. That's why you don't generally get the detox reactions.

your body's not dumping. It's not like you're pulling stuff out of tissue. Your body's releasing from tissue at its own pace and it's going to release things that zeolite might not even bind to. from that perspective you can see zeolite could detox most if not pretty much everything if your body's willing to let

Freddie Kimmel (01:07:48.94)
Yeah. Yeah. Exciting. The audience has so many action steps here. If you guys, like me, if you get excited about something that is really moved the needle, again, from my community of friends who have said, you've got to have Jeff on, you got to have this conversation, this dose, zeolite, the quality, the sourcing is very, very unique. So it's definitely something I'm going to be doing. We'll definitely swing back around and do another episode.

Jeff, when I get some testing and some data and we can see what's going on in my body, but my felt experience, even in five days, I mean, yeah, cognitive function, just, so my brain feels so sharp. So I'm really stoked. There is a code, you can use code beautifully broken. We'll have a link in the show notes so you can get a discount on your protocol,

I would love to hear from other people that decide to do this. You know, if you want to shoot me a DM and say, Freddie, I'm in, Freddie, I'm doing it. Please do after the podcast. when this posts on all social channels, YouTube, Apple, Spotify, obviously you're listening it. So you found it. but I'd love to hear back from people just really, really thankful for what you're doing in the world. beautifully broken podcast as we close, what does it mean to you to be beautifully broken?

Jeff Hoyt (01:09:10.836)
I think it's just being thankful for me. guess it's being thankful with where I'm at right now. Not necessarily saying I'm going to be here forever. I'm always looking to improve. in the moment, because in the past, I've always been so focused on the next achievement where I don't stop and have contentment and thankfulness for where I'm at. And then you end up missing the enjoyment in your journey because you're always me. I'm speaking for myself.

I'm always searching for something like if I get to this point, then I'll be this level of happy and et cetera. But life's too short for that, right? Enjoy right now. Step out. I've been trying to step back and look big picture and then just enjoy the moment. So being thankful where I'm at, not necessarily complacent and saying I'm never going to get better, but be thankful for where I'm at. And then I'll be thankful for where I'm at next month and the month after

Freddie Kimmel (01:10:03.426)
Yeah, beautiful, beautiful. And if you had to give a person who is struggling out there with chronic illness, with Lyme, debilitating fatigue, and you could wave a magic wand, you can tune into their cell phone, what advice would you give that human being?

Jeff Hoyt (01:10:18.74)
Oh, it's just, just keep taking action, right? Keep doing things. A lot of times it's going to take a number of things that don't work before you find something that do. But just, even if you've tried 50 things that haven't worked, that one thing that does work for you might be tomorrow or the next day. Right? So just stay encouraged. Don't give up. Um, just keep going. And I mean, you're, know, your success, your breakthrough could be, could be just a day away.

You're always so close to your breakthrough. And a lot of times when it feels worse and you feel like you're worse and you're ready to give up, that's just when you're on the verge of a breakthrough and you just have to keep pushing through and you'll get

Freddie Kimmel (01:10:58.406)
tomorrow is only a day away to quote the Broadway show Annie and don't quit one step before the miracle. This is the beautifully broken podcast. I'm here with Jeff Hoyt. Jeff, thank you for being a guest. Big love. Yes.

Jeff Hoyt (01:11:11.07)
Thanks so much for having me, it was great.