Talking Sh*t: The Biome FX Stool Diagnostic Review

Disclaimer: today, we’re going to talk sh*t—particularly mine. We are joined by Dr. Frank Ervolino to walk me through my BiomeFX Stool Diagnostic test results. He is a naturopathic doctor, one of the first to be added to a major hospital’s staff. He is a bonafide expert in natural health, having written multiple articles on the subject, served as research editor of Better Nutrition Magazine, and wrote a column in Living Without Magazine.

Now let’s get the elephant in the room out of the way. Why are we going to talk about my stool? The answer is easy—I got so much clarity about my body’s condition, especially what I’m missing. Our stools hold so many answers about our health and give us a great reference point of what to remedy in our lifestyle.

  

Episode Highlights

[0:00:00] Introduction

[0:02:16] Dr. Frank Ervolino and Going Over My Stool Test Results

[0:08:15] An Overview of My Results in Each Index and What I Can Do to Get Better Results

[0:18:06] Going Over the State of My Gut/Microbiome

[0:24:55] The Keystone Bacteria

[0:38:22] Cause and Effects of Keystone Family Imbalance

[0:46:56] Which of My Keystone Family Values Are in a Good State

[0:48:53] Stage One Treatment Plan to Balance My Microbiome: Regulating the Vagus Nerve

[0:59:11] Stage Two: Remodelling the Microbiome

[1:06:06] How Long Before I Should Retest?

[1:08:01] Outro

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Freddie Kimmel (00:00.534)
Ladies and gentlemen, this is Freddy from the Beautifully Broken Podcast. I hope you know who I am. Today we are joined by Dr. Frank Ivellino, who is a naturopathic doctor. walks me through my BiomeFX stool diagnostic test. I know. Freddy, do we really want to talk about your poop? Listen, I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't think the actionables were so profound. It was the first time I was able to see in front of me where the gaps were.

in my health, things that I am supplementing and working so hard to fix that it's actually not the human cells that have the problem. It's the missing strains, the keystone strains that are not present in my body. So I'm having to do all this extra work. And I was like, it's one of those times when you just push your hand against your face and you say, Freddie, why don't you slow down and do some of the things you have access to right now? Well, I'm doing that and I'm sharing because I think it's really important.

I think it's, I'm stoked as you can tell, but we're going to talk about all the details of my poop. So you can get this kit, this BiomeFX using code beautifully broken and you can go to microbiome labs.com. You can check them out. And I really want you to listen to this. It's short. We're like 58 minutes in and you'll get a lot of good information on man, the magic of the gut. Let's go.

Welcome to the Beautifully Broken podcast. I'm your host, Freddie Kimmel, and on this show we explore the survivor's journey, practitioners making a difference, and the therapeutic treatments and transformational technology that allow the body to heal itself. Witness the inspiration we gain by navigating the human experience with grace, humility, and a healthy dose of mistakes, because part of being human is being beautifully broken.

Freddie Kimmel (01:59.648)
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the beautifully broken podcast. We're here with Dr. Frank Irv- Irvolino. Irvolino. Did you think I was going to get it wrong? You saw me pause.

Er-Lena. Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (02:12.078)
Yeah, let's share the screen, man.

Let's do it, let's talk about Freddy's poop.

Yeah, I was looking at it. It's pretty interesting, actually.

Dude, and I have to, I don't know if I gave you, I don't know if I gave in the form that I filled out for the biome effects test, but you know, I've had a history of many abdominal surgeries. I've had a resection in the small intestine. I've had extensive amounts of chemotherapy, years of antibiotics from Lyme disease and then antimicrobials, antifungals from mold. So it's, yeah, it's incredible history. I was actually quite pleased and I got to tell you like,

for the first time in my life. Even in the last two months, I'm like pooping twice a day, which just feels amazing.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (03:00.29)
Yeah, you know, it's interesting how much abuse the body can take. And if you just clear up a couple of things, the body will take over the rest. I mean, some people are band-aid conscious. They want a band-aid for everything, you know, but I've been practicing for 30 years and I've been in heavy clinical practice in a hospital setting, private patient, low cost clinics. So, you know, you get to see

Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (03:27.918)
What the body can do and what it can't do. I will tell you that i'm i'm 71 myself Well, thank you and at age 29 They told me I was going to get I my colon was full of polyps and that they needed to take A part of it out next week. And of course I put my I was living in seattle I put my jeans back on I said heck with you guys and I walked out And I remember the last thing the doctor said to me he said

You look amazing.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (03:55.342)
First of all, you died from colon cancer at the age of 54. I don't know why he picked that random number. Second thing he said as I was getting in the elevator was don't drink much beer or Coca-Cola. And I remembered those words, you know? And now I'm 71, nobody's ever played with my colon. You know, the last time I had a colonoscopy was clean. You know, where he said it was full of polyps, you know? So, you know, the body can heal itself.

And what we're going to do is we're going to show you a way to get a game plan for your colonic health.

Beautiful. yeah, there's some things I'll let you go with the report, but there are some things on there that I know have always been, I've always been high in the Klebsiella pneumoniae. There's a couple of things that have been very consistent to me. And at times I'd had people say, this could be the driver of, you know, joint pain that I experienced once in a while, yada, yada, yada, that these things can migrate outside the gut and cause an immune response. But anyways, I will let you, I'll let you walk through this. And if you could.

Frank, if you could go through and when we're calling things out, we can almost speak like, we'll make the assumption that people are not watching this on video, that they're actually listening.

Sure, I can do that. I've done a lot of these myself. So first of all, let me do a shout out to Karan and to Microbiome Labs because I've been dealing with this stuff for 30 years. And I've been 25 years as a supplement formulator. I'm an antropath, I'm an acupuncturist, I had a clinic in a major hospital. I have a low cost clinic with about 10,000 patients. I I was at a medical conference.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (05:36.824)
for cancer and I ran into Karan when this was all starting and we didn't have these tools. There are other tests that say they're like this, but they're not. And when Karan came around with the tool set and the spore-based probiotics, I said, finally, I've got some tools that I can use to get people's guts better. And I didn't start working from microbiome labs right away. I started using the products and everything in my low-cost clinic. And then when the offer came, I said, let's go.

It's rock. So what I'm going to do is given your history First of all, I'm going to say a lot of stuff and I'm going to be very firm in my opinion, but I'm not God I can be wrong, but this is a I'm a scientist before I'm a doctor. This is an evolutionary process We're learning new things every week so I'm looking at your report summary page for test two zero zero zero one four and

There's this index value that's given that's made up of the four index scores, alpha diversity, beta diversity, resistance, some occurrence index and pathogen control index. Your index score, you know, given your history, could be looked at as pretty good, but in the general scheme of things, 27.66 is about the bottom range of the average American and by average American. And I'm talking about the microbiome.

The average American eats three times a day and has a stressful life. And when they eat three times a day, they actually eat to the pancreas six times a day. So they eat a breakfast. They hate their job and they're falling asleep. So they have a mid morning coffee with some sort of insulin stimulating, whether it's milk or sugar. And then they go to lunch and then about three o'clock, they start falling asleep again. So they have a snack or another beverage.

gives them time for break and then they come home and eat dinner and then they watch streaming tv and they have a late night snack the pig says you ate six times a day not three

Freddie Kimmel (07:42.414)
Understood.

So that's the average American and they lead a stressful lifestyle because the demands of a normal lifestyle are different than they were 30 years ago. So let's look at the indexes that make up your index score, which is 27.66 out of 40. That's the bottom range in my experience of a normal standard American index value. And I know that you're smirking because you say, I've done a lot for my health. Why am I at the bottom range? But let's show you some great reasons.

Well, what I'm trying to do in my head is to look at this number and not feel like an overwhelming amount of shame. What I'm trying to do is look at this number and say, how exciting that I have so as good as I feel today, how much more I can get. So I'm excited, Frank.

much more you can do for this point out. first index is called alpha diversity, strictly quantitative. All it does is count numbers and by counting the numbers, it says, do you have an 8.03 score? That's actually a pretty good score. I'll show you. You know, you have 222 species living in your gut. That's in our upper range of health. 8.03, but let's look at another score.

Yeah

Freddie Kimmel (08:54.272)
Love it.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (08:59.938)
Let's look at the beta diversity. That's a qualitative. How good are things? And this takes your gut microbiome and it compares it to our healthiest microbiomes in our large data set. And those healthy microbiomes are not just numbers. They're also paired with incidence of disease, discomfort, quality of life. And we can say that your score is 7.33. I don't consider a person to have a score or to have a microbiome that resembles

are healthiest microbiomes until they get to a score of eight. So I can say you have a lot of species living in your gut, but the quality needs to be improved. Yeah. And how much time do you want this to be?

We gotta improve quality.

Freddie Kimmel (09:47.032)
I would love 30 minutes is great. Let's go 60.

30 minutes is.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (09:54.414)
So like, you know, when you're looking at the mic, when you're looking at that beta diversity, you're looking at things like this, you're looking at what is the balance of the top five phylum, the bacteria, the formicides, the vascular microbial, the octino bacteria, proteobacteria, those are large bacterial group names that figure prominently in your gut. we're, but we're, know, you can say, well, this looks pretty good. I'll explain this page 17 a little later, but

You also are looking at, look, there's four different ways you can get dysbiosis here. And one way is you can get dysbiosis in the large phylum on page 17. Those five names, just, another way is you can have dysbiosis. Here's a list of about, I think, eight bacteria phylums that can cause problems in the gut. They're not normal. You can get dysbiosis that way. Another way is you get dysbiosis

in how the trends of your keystone families on page 18. And then there's another way you can get dysbiosis up here, where you can get dysbiosis from how you handle protein. I got a lot to say about that, because you know, protein, people who can't handle carbohydrates do very well on protein, but there's a price you pay for that, where you can actually kill your microbiome and give yourself a fatty liver. So how you handle

how much protein you're fermenting is another form of dysbiota.

You're suggesting possibly not everyone needs a carnivore diet.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (11:29.25)
Let me tell you about the carnivore diet and then I'll get back to this other dysbiosis. So we are evolutionary beings that descended from our ancestors. Our ancestors had a much tougher life than us. They crossed land bridges. fought saber-tooth tigers and woolly mammoths. They fought other people. They climbed mountains. They hunted. They dragged the ship back.

They had to they burned 4000 calories a day. The only way you do that now is by working on a ranch in Yellowstone. Yeah, you know, that's the only way you burn over 4000 calories. If you know, if you and I went into L.A. fitness and rode in spinning classes all day, we might hit 3200 calories. So protein really kicks in when you're burning four or 5000 calories a day. So protein has ancestral significance. It's sort of ornamental for us.

Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (12:24.692)
When we burn less than 4,000 calories a day, our body is designed to run off of carbohydrate fibers. designed to, you know, the pancreas is the only thing that digests. The colon ferments. And when you're less than 4,000 calories a day, your body is set up to ferment carbohydrate fibers. But we eat meat. Like, it's like drinking beer or scotch. You acquire a taste for it. And we were told

Generation to generation meat was good. It kept you strong But as we start to work in offices and burn less than 4 000 calories a day We don't really need the meat. Yeah, and when you eat a lot of meat, which is what we do in this country You end up creating a lot of toxic side Products now I like to eat meat But I make sure I eat a ton Of grains. I eat a ton of vegetables and a ton of fruit

You need to feed that to your system, especially when you're not using more than 4000 calories a day. I used to be a mountain climber. You climb a mountain, you're going to burn 5000 calories a day. You could live off of Jameson's whiskey and M &M's. But you can't do it forever. So anyway, that's my thing. Now, here's our Keystone families. I showed you back on page, I think it's 18, this list too.

Dead point.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (13:50.562)
This is one way you can see all the stuff that's not detected. This is another way you can get dysbiosis. And then there's another way, pathogen species found in your colon. So there's like four different ways you can have dysbiosis in the gut. know, most practitioners think you only have either a good gut or yeast and candida, and that's wrong. There's like four different ways you can get dysbiosis. Now, going back to where we digressed,

that was in this faded diversity, you need to improve the quality of your microbiome to match this great value. So we maybe need to get rid of some bacterial species in your gut and replace them with some higher quality. And we'll go through that. Resistive occurrence index is pretty perfect to me. Other people might disagree. It means you have some anti...

Beautiful.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (14:49.006)
antibiotic resistance in your microbiome when you take antibiotics, but they'll still be effective. If you were at a value of close to 10, antibiotics would have very little value in your microbiome.

And is that just something someone develops over time? Is it something that they're genetically born with?

No, you pretty much develop it over time. Now, if you have what you're born with was something down around four, you know, when you take antibiotics, they're going to be effective, but you're going to poke a huge hole in your microbiome. And then the pathogen control index comes into play. You have a 5.99, which is pretty low. You've taken antibiotics, given your medical history, poke a hole and this is what moved in and you got bacteria, it is fragilis. I'll go over that.

years.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (15:37.986)
This is a bacterial species that is opportunistic. It shows up in a lot of hospital infections. You know, when people say, my grandfather came back from the dead and he got in the hospital, he got an infection. It's this is one of the main culprits. It's in your body. It waits to get very weak. Here's below Phila Wadsworthia, not necessarily a pathogen, but a bacteria that just wakes up in your gut every day and says, how can I damage the gut wall?

which is very fragile.

Let's get that out of there.

Yeah, I'll talk about that. Here's E. coli. You get E. coli from what's this?

That looks like a cell phone.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (16:20.45)
You get eucalyptus from your cell phone. What do you do? You're a busy person. All of us are busy people. We sit in the toilet. We wipe our butt. We're texting. We pick up our phone. We put it in the kitchen counter. We wash our hands. Then we pick up our

That's amazing

I read that in a recent article. You got Klebsiella pneumoniae, which can be a problem. It is a high population, but you're a relatively healthy guy. It's not a problem now. It's more of a problem if you get immune compromised. And then you got Sutterilla wadsworthensis, which is similar to Belophila wadsworthia. It just gets up and says, how can I damage things directly? Now, how do you get rid of these?

You can't kill these because if you give broad spectrum antibiotics, even natural ones, even natural broad spectrum antibiotics like oregano oil, I can't mention some of the products because I don't want to slander them. If you use broad spectrum killers, even if they're natural, you're going to poke a hole in the gut and then things are going to move in. Now, you could say I'll poke a hole in the gut and then I'll repopulate with some probiotics, but that's still rolling the dice.

Sure.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (17:32.478)
You know, you've got to have a good diet and you've got to have your pancreas working at maximum efficiency to make that pull off. And I'll talk about that. Okay. A little pancreas and the vagus nerve a little bit from now. But the real way you get rid of these is to get good sleep, have your diet adjusted for what you were designed for, and then to get plenty of exercise to be functional. after reviewing about a thousand of these tests,

That's what I see whittles these down to nothing. So we've gone over the indexes. These ratios are really cool, but I like to review them. To me, there's more to get from reviewing them by going directly to page 17 and going directly to page 17 here. Same bacteria on here and even more. Here's your bacterioides to firmicutes ratio that was on that page.

Amazing.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (18:31.662)
Firmicutes needs to cover bacterial urethra needs, and this is a great coverage. I'm gonna tell you, it's Freddie, right? Is that you? Freddie, the gut is, the microbiome is a Xen universe. It likes to live in the middle. All right? So remember that. The range that I picked, these are percentile values on the bottom here. The range that I picked is 36 to 64%.

Yeah. Yes.

Freddie Kimmel (18:55.032)
Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (19:00.014)
is the Zen universe to the God.

So three out of three out of five, I'm doing decent.

Yeah. And there's a really important one in here too, that you're doing decent. So going back to the for micrides, the bacteria, bacteria, the, when it runs away from the for micrides is implicated in a lot of Crohn's colitis, those kinds of epithelial damage. Wow. It gets in the epithelium. This is a beautiful coverage right here. Okay. When you control it, the activities does a great thing and make sure chain fatty acids, which

Short-chain fideos is like butyrate, propionate, acetate. They not only feed your tissues and make them healthy, but they deeply regulate your immune system. What's that important for? That's important for not getting upper respiratory diseases from viruses. That's important from regulating things like autism. That's important for preventing DNA.

being expressed that should not be expressed. Like it's called histone deacetylation. It's important for you not getting autoimmune diseases. It's important for you to regulate the immune system and the mitochondria so you don't get cancer. And this stuff is really important.

Freddie Kimmel (20:16.686)
Wow, those are great then. So bacteriarrhides and firmicutes are both at 49%. So we're right in the middle. We're right in the green area. Great.

That's like perfect. It's perfect coverage. You have good verruccio microbial. There's only one major family in verruccio microbial phylum in the human gut. The very important acromansia. And what I'm going to do here is show you a graphic that I can send you. Here's the story in acromansia. Here's a healthy microbiome. Here's a colon wall, colonocytes and goblet cells.

It's about the thickness of a hot dog skin. Wow. And these goblet cells secrete mucus that gets very thick on the inside. This is the inside of the colon. And Ancromansia's job is to eat that mucus and turn it over and maintain it. Wow. Think of this like the the colon wall, like the great wall of China. You see those pictures where there are blocks all over the place. If you maintain it, you get this healthy, protect,

Of course.

Freddie Kimmel (21:18.492)
Yeah

mucus layer protecting the gut wall. Well, you can see here in this graphic, there's a dendritic cell, an immune cell that sticks a little pointer up into the mucus layer that protects the colon. It does that because if the colon wall gets too thin or gets broken, if you have too low an acrimansia, you're gonna have a broken mucus wall. And if you get too much acrimansia, you're gonna have a thin mucus wall. And then the dendritic cell will see that.

it'll see what's inside the colon. What's inside the colon is histamines, protein. The immune system reacts very strongly to protein in your body. When I'm in a formulator, we take all the protein out of even a plant. Because if you're going to get hypersensitive immunity, like allergic reactions, things like that, you're going to get it from the protein. And it'll also see bacterial fragments. And it also

Do you know, Freddie, that 65 % of the total white blood cells in your body live in your colon? Did you know that? And that's a conservative estimate. I'm not being excessive. Yeah, the reason why they're there is they react with all the stuff in your diet to make, not only do you need calories to climb Mount Everest, but you need biochemical cofactors to move those muscles. So they make interleukins, prostaglandins, cytokines.

No.

Freddie Kimmel (22:30.936)
No, didn't know. Wow.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (22:49.356)
And those things are, used in completing biochemical reactions for muscles, the brain, the nerves, everything. So that's their job. But when the acrimansia gets too low or too high, then you start to get damaged in the gut wall and you get the leakage of all those things. And then you get hypersensitivity of your immune system. food panels are going to be high. Mycotoxin tests are going to be high.

Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (23:17.246)
Arthritis is going to be high. Joint inflammation, like you said, is going to be high. Autoimmunity is a possibility. Enough ROS damage to the mitochondria to allow oncogenes to express is going to be a possibility. Any inflammatory process starts right here at the gut wall. When they give a mycotoxin test, they're not looking for pieces of mushroom. They're looking for these inflammatory factors.

Wow.

Freddie Kimmel (23:43.456)
Right.

Okay, I'll send you this graphic. You can put it up on your site or.

Yeah, it's really great.

All right. So you have great value of of veruco microbial, AKA the family acrimonsia. So you have your gut should be well maintained and you shouldn't have leaky gut. What you have is dysbiosis. You can have one without the other. You don't go hand in hand. Now going down here, you have very low actinobacteria. Its job is to control proteobacteria.

When you have proteobacteria, you could have a lot of histamine generation. Now there is a possibility that you could have good verucium microbial and still have a leaky gut if there's a lot of activity. We'll take a look at that. Okay. So that is what I, instead of that page up here, I think it's page five, page seven, I go down to page 17 and look, that's what I just explained to you.

Freddie Kimmel (24:48.152)
Yeah.

So here's your Keystone families on page eight of this test.

Now I just ordered the Keystone strains from Microbiome Labs because I had a hunch at looking at this. It might be one of the products I want to reintroduce.

Let's talk about it because microbiome labs is an outstanding lot product line, but we haven't developed a fully yet. There's a couple of, there's like maybe one other thing that you might need, you know, in doing this. And plus we, I'll talk to you. You have to put the upper level of in my, maybe other people say no, but I say you have to get the upper level, the first level of digestion harmonized in order to get the most out of the probiotics.

The colon is the second level. Up above the colon is the vagus nerve talking to the hypothalamus, which regulates stomach acid. Pyeloric valve emptying regulates precision and excretion of bile and digestive enzymes. And then most importantly, that's peristalsis of the small intestine. If you want to talk about SIBO, you got to get the vagus nerve going because that prevents SIBO.

Freddie Kimmel (25:36.6)
Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (25:44.844)
Yes.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (26:03.967)
As long as you got peristalsis and small intestine, can't get the SIBO.

And that's the thing for me, I eat the wrong type of, you know, it's gotten so much better. But if I eat the wrong type of carb or I've had the wrong food, I'll be like trumpeting gas for like, and it's like 45 minutes to like not too long after I've eaten. So I can definitely feel fermentation in a small bowel. And it's just I've regulated that by not eating the foods that would ignite that excessive gas.

Well, there's some, probably there's some good foods in that list and some bad foods. When you restructure the microbiome, you're able to eat the good foods. You're able to eat complex carbs. When people tell me, I eat protein because when I eat carbs, you know, I feel so bad. I go, you're supposed to eat those carbs. Your gut can't handle them. Once we get you to eat, once we get your microbiome straightened out, you can eat those carbs and the protein will catch up with you in about five years.

Yep.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (26:59.042)
You know, the people that were the test subjects for that were weight, a lot of weightlifters, weightlifters, not only ate mostly protein for muscle mass, they also took high amounts of taurine and they ended up getting non-alcoholic fatty liver or cirrhosis, non-alcoholic.

Yeah.

Freddie Kimmel (27:19.342)
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Dr. Frank Ervolino (29:21.048)
you

So let's talk about those keystone families. So these are bacteria. I'd say top eight are really keystone. The other bottom five are used for diagnostic purposes. I'll explain it. Bifidobacterium longum is a GABA producer, but it's more important than that. It does a lot of things. From a lot of research with people that were sensitive to gluten, it's one of the

most doubt major repairs of the gut wall. But when it's teamed up with other bacteria, it can accomplish more as a team than it can individually. It does make its way through stomach acid. A lot of these bacteria cannot make their way through stomach acid. And so you'll always see this word enterically coded. I'm a formulator. Enterically coded doesn't mean it makes it through the stomach acid. It means they've coded it

Yes.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (30:22.886)
wax and they hope it does. But this is one of those bacteria that makes it through the gut, the stomach, that, as the bed that can go down to a pH of two, like battery acid. Wow. And you know, Koran and microbiome labs have wisely centered on these bacteria. Not only does the bifido do it, and we do have a great bifido in the line, but also all the bacillus that they're known for.

in the mega spore biotic, all their spore, so they make it through. Now, a lot of other companies are trying to come up with like acrimansia supplements or rumino coxaceae supplements or a lot of the lactobacillus and they don't make it through the stomach acid. They get in your gut if they're hidden in food. You that's why, you know, you eat a lot of fermented dairy, you're going to get those bugs in your gut, but they're not necessarily good. And let me explain.

So bifidololongom is one of the major players to make sure you don't have dysbiosis in your gut. Another two are dyslactocasebacillus rhamnosus and dyslimosylactobacillus ruderi. Now up until about a year ago, these were known as lactobacillus rhamnosus and lactobacillus ruderi, but they've taxonomically renamed them. So you need, if you have a presence of these two,

These two bacteria make something called L-lactic acid. And then these bottom five here, acidophilus, delbruccii, ruminus, alvarius, and fermentum, you find these on kefir labels, on yogurt labels. These make D-lactic acid. Now, we were designed for the L-lactic acid. We don't do very well with D-lactic acid. It's hard for the body to get rid of. You can become toxic.

We get rid of all the L-lactic acid right away. Now, why do we have these in our gut? Because of food commerce. When they started to bring things from the field to the city, from the farm to the city, they had to preserve it. They didn't have refrigeration. So they fermented a lot of things and they brought them to the city, dairy, vegetables. So we get it in our diet, but we were set up for L-lactic acid in a hunting, foraging,

Dr. Frank Ervolino (32:48.334)
type of environment where we didn't have to preserve stuff. So if you have the L-actic rhamnosus and rudari and the biferal longum, pretty much are in control of your microbiome and you're not gonna, they're gonna prevent dysbiosis. You're not detected on any of those. So that means dysbiosis can occur. You don't have strict control of your colon. Now let me explain these other ones.

Bifidol dolacentis is a good thing to have in your gut. It's an acetate producer. It survives stomach acid as well. It's a bifidol. This facila bacterium prosnicii, hard thing to say, could say fecal bacterium prosnicii. You know, choose your pronunciation. You have quite a bit of that. This is a bacteria that produces butyrate, but it does it by consuming another fatty acid.

converting another fatty acid acetate. It's okay, but it's usually the sign to me of a weak gut that has gone to plan B to make butyrate, which is the most important fatty acid, short-chain fatty acid. And then you have rumino coccas bromide, which is a cellulose degrader, which means, you you need a little more of this to handle the carbs in your diet. And then you have rosabri...

Rosaburian testinalis you have a small population of this significant this also makes butyrate out of acetate, but it also generates along with um, Proteobacteria quite a bit of histamines in your gut and then you have you you bacterium reptile, which is a great butyrate producer and It's got a little side story. It likes coffee Just little side story not significant so I can

Hehehehe

Dr. Frank Ervolino (34:44.301)
that you need to bring up your bifidolongom and your L-lactate producing lactobacillus. And this is one of the probiotics that we do not have in the microbiome line, but I do supplement it. Like there's rhamnosus, there's ruteri, there's grasseri, planteri, those are all lactobacillus to make L-lactic acid. So does bifidolongom and so does the bacillus in Megaspore biotic.

They all make l-lactic acid, is a sign that that's the way your body should run. So we've got some restructuring to do. Let's look at your, way you handle carbohydrate fibers called sacrolytic fermentation to make short chain fatty acids, which I'll do a quick rundown again. Short chain fatty acids feed your tissues. They deeply regulate your immune system. And that's why I think a lot of people get those SARS viruses.

They also regulate your immune system as far as neurological function. know, the microbiome, 90 % of the chatter is up to the brain from the microbiome. Only 10 % is down to regulate the digestive process. They regulate T cell metabolism. They regulate quite a bit. You have propionate, you have acetate and butyrate, the three big short chain fatty acids. You have great levels of butyrate.

How much is being kicked in by those other bacteria that are converting acetate? We don't know, but this is a great level to have. Good for you. Awesome. Yeah. A lot of propionate, a little too much propionate. You're in the 92nd percentile. Now this doesn't really, I mean, in the knowledge base, I know the frontiers of what I know. This doesn't really figure much to you, but I wouldn't want to be a young woman who was trying to get pregnant and had this propionate level because

It does regulate the immune system through T cell differentiation. There has been some great research presented by Canadian RDs on the fact that women who had high proprinate levels were like 60 to 70 % more likely to have a child on the autistic spectrum.

Freddie Kimmel (36:58.791)
Wow, interesting.

Yeah, and now your acetate levels are not as high as these other two, but a significant portion that's being converted to butyrate, but they're still healthy. You're in the 63rd percentile, so you're making a lot of short-chain fatty acids. You're handling the sacrolytic rate. That's not the whole story. You've got quite a bit of lactate, you know, that gets converted.

in a healthy microbiome over to short chain fatty acids. We want to make sure that's happening. We want this a little lower by structure microbiome. Now here's where the story gets a little sticky for you. This is the secondary, the backup for sacroiliac proteolytic fermentation. This should be lower. You've got 67 % polyamine production. That's high.

Okay.

Freddie Kimmel (37:36.174)
I love it.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (37:50.958)
You've got 99 % of the population makes less pre-isol than you do. That's what that means. You've got 71 % of the whole population has less ammonia than you do. And then 72 % of the population has less hydrogen sulfide. Hydrogen sulfide is where a person can't lie to me about their diet. You only get sulfur to convert to hydrogen sulfide from your diet or from taurine.

if you're a weightlifter.

And so this could be, is this where you would say this might be indicative of excessive protein?

Yes. Let me list for you the top 10 things of sulfur, 10 foods that have sulfur. Seafood has a lot of sulfur. Meat, a lot of sulfur. Eggs, a lot of sulfur. Dairy, including cheese. Believe it or not, people don't think cheese is dairy. Nuts. And then it goes tea, coffee, onions, avocados.

Reciphorous vegetables, but concentrate on the first one two, three, four five

Freddie Kimmel (39:02.904)
Give me the first five again and I'll tell you which ones are in there and which ones aren't.

Seafood, meat, eggs, dairy, including cheese and nuts.

So no nuts, no dairy, no eggs. It's really like grass-fed red meat and a little bit of seafood. And it's like cod, once every two weeks.

You just got to think about it, how we eat. We eat the majority of our sulfur-containing foods at dinner, and we eat humongous portions. And then we go into protective immobilization, which is another name for sleep. We have no caloric demand at that time, yet we're eating foods that we should eat if we were going to climb Mount Everest.

Right. Now I will tell you, I will tell you Frank is as of even since I did this test two months ago, like I've readjusted to wake at dawn, catch every single sunrise. I've been sleeping better. I've been doubling the steps I do every day. And I've been trying to eat two hours before the sun goes down. So more like a five 30 six o'clock, but I will still agree with you. It's still probably my biggest meal is the last meal of the day.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (40:11.586)
When do you eat your first meal?

When I wake, I have a protein shake.

What time? mean, time.

730, 8 o'clock, kind of when I wake up, I try to wake up and eat.

I will talk about that later. I just needed that data. But what I'm saying is you're pumping a lot of sulfur into your diet. It could come from a protein shake or something. You're pumping a lot of sulfur into your diet. It's resulting in a lot of proteolytic fermentation, which is raising your ammonia levels to a level I wouldn't want to have. Your creosol levels are through the roof. This kills your microbiome directly. And then your polyamine levels, they're not.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (40:50.946)
Freakishly high, but they're not where I'd want mine around 20%. And what the polyamines do is they interfere with triglyceride metabolism in your liver. So that's where people that are up around 80 or 90 % can end up with a fatty liver.

But while I definitely have high, I trend towards high cholesterol.

Yeah, well, this can be a factor too. And then the other thing is they interfere with choline metabolism in your liver, which blocks methylation. And then the other thing that they do is they directly kill the microbiome. So you don't want these things. These are what protein eaters, low carb, high protein people, this is what does them in after five or six years. So what we have to do is maintain your sacroiliac, but

We have to, you have to feed the furnace less and we have to turn it off with the microbiome adjustment.

What's that look like?

Dr. Frank Ervolino (41:47.33)
I will tell you, I got to go through a couple more things. Yeah. I'll go. Now your GABA, you know, GABA is a supplement, you know, notifies the note, but GABA is also made in the gut to be eaten by the gut. You get what's left over. Your GABA is at zero. But look, you got some glutathione production going on there too, but it's still really low. Where does this come from? This comes from

I do.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (42:14.712)
Keystone family imbalance. Some of these bacteria make it and some of them eat it. So if you want a situation like your GABA, there's not enough producers and there's too many consumers in your bacterial family. And we'll evaluate by hand your bacterial family populations. We'll do that in about a minute. Look this. This is low because not enough production, too much consumption.

That makes sense to me.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (42:40.108)
I think you're making quite a bit of histamines. This is a new version of the test. We have to calibrate this value up. That's why you need a consultant to sort of look at this and say, until we calibrate this up, you'd show a little more histamine. Your indoor production is great. I would imagine that you have a very good gut motility. It's not a problem in you. If it is a problem, there could be other reasons.

such as prior surgeries or something like that.

It has been, but this is something that like, you know, all the biohacking and like the PEMF and red light therapy and scar tissue manipulation, and bad drainage has really helped movement, structural integrity.

Yeah, you had a lot of tissue trauma, so that could be why. Another reason why people need constipation, even though they have... So Indole is a byproduct of tryptophan degradation. Tryptophan either goes to Indole or it goes to serotonin, or if you have a lot of inflammation in your body, it can go to chyneuric acid, which is not good. But normal people will go to Indole or serotonin. And then...

Indo goes into the serotonin receptor sites on the gut and governs gut motility. But if you're using a lot of excessive laxatives, if you've got a lot of trauma to your tissue, you can get other kinds of loss of gut motility, i.e. constipation. Most soft bowel movements are due to dysbiosis, most. But the constipation is, indo can play a part in it. Another thing is you have a nice high indole level.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (44:19.16)
So you're consuming some tryptophan in your diet somehow, and it's being converted to indole. It also increases cytochrome P450, which I don't have time to talk about, but this is where all your carcinogenic substances, your hormones go in your liver. So when people talked about liver toxicity, they're often talking about having a dirty liver, but liver toxicity to me is impaired triglyceride metabolism with the polyamines.

you know, impaired choline metabolism. It's also low cytochrome P450. Like women who have menstrual problems usually have a low cytochrome P450. That's where all their hormones are going to get broken down. And if they have to go somewhere else, it's toxic. I don't have a lot of time to talk about that. You're recycling, your microbiome is recycling a lot of your estrogens, a of your androgens. So we want to lower that. We don't want them to recycle.

We don't want to recycle.

All right. We don't want to, we don't want them to send you make enough. Yeah. We'll work your microbiome. I looked at your vitamin levels. Your B vitamins are made in your gut to be eaten by your gut. You get what's left over. The most important cause we're moving along for time are B6 and K2. You got great levels. You get 80 % of your B6 from your gut. All the others you get smaller percentages. We talked about the fact that you have some balances here.

but we need to restructure this actinobacterium proteobacteria values. You have none of these bad people, bad phylum. I can tell you this is not Candida. Candida is represented in the Ascomycota phylum. This is where methane gas is, Eurachyota, Ascomycota is where Candida is represented. Synergist studies and Candida data, saccharobacteria on this list.

Freddie Kimmel (46:00.802)
Great, no candida.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (46:14.08)
are oral bacteria that cause lot of oral problems, but they've, when we see them in this test, they've migrated down to the gut where they cause damage. tenaric cutus is mycoplasma in the gut. Spirochetes is Lyme in the gut. Fusibacteria is just a bad ass, causes damage, can give chemotherapy resistance for colon cancer. You don't have that.

Great. None of those.

But ask them my CODA. Here's your family, your Keystone family is listed with a percentile value. Remember, I told you that in the Zen zone, was 36 to 64 percent percentile value was the Zen zone right here on page 17. This green area. You can apply that value to these percentile columns and see where you're trending in bacterial families.

So we're gonna do it right now. I'm gonna count those that are in the zone and then count the ones that are too high. And I'm gonna give you a number. I can't do it on the podcast. I'm just gonna calculate it. So here's one. I'm looking for your normal. They can hear this. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. You have seven normal.

Good for you. Okay. What's your highs? One, two, three, four, four high. There might be more to this story. Here's your lows. One, two, that's below. Three, four, five, six, seven. I don't count the bottom two. They're bad. You don't want them in your gut. Seven low.

Freddie Kimmel (47:44.599)
Amazing.

We

Dr. Frank Ervolino (48:09.58)
Then we got to go down to this page. This page, this stuff that should be non-existent, very small families in your gut. should be in the dark corners. No one should even see them. And this page 19 of the test, additional observed families, your microbiome shows at least two that are really up high and should not be around. So I'm going to add two to your high. So you have six bacteria and keystone families that should not have a presence or

should not be high. You have seven normal and seven low. So about two thirds of your microbiome is either trending too high or too low. That's not good if you graft it out. So what causes that? Now we're gonna start on your treatment plan. What causes that? Well, one of the main killers of your microbiome is your stress levels, how many times you eat, when you eat, you eat too long in the day. That's why I asked you, you started seven,

Sure.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (49:10.102)
You end at 536. That's about 10 to 11 hours of eating. Okay. So the gut is driven by the hypothalamus in the brain that has your biorhythms. From primitive times, your hypothalamus stimulates your vagus nerve, which governs the first level of your digestion on a sun up, sun down pattern. Your ancestors got up, walked out of their house, ate what was left for breakfast and embarked upon either.

hunting, foraging, or defending themselves. And then they brought everything back and they butchered it and they processed it and they cooked a meal and they ate a huge dinner. They told stories around the fire and they went to bed. If you've ever been camping, you go to bed at eight 30. All right. They didn't have time for lunch. know, lunch was a commercial edition. the hypothalamus goes on a sun up, sun down pattern. If you eat

Too many times you lose coordination with the hypothalamus, which means the vagus nerve is in ketchup all the time. The vagus nerve drives the pancreas. The pancreas is in ketchup all the time. You're sending an incompletely digested food bolus down to the colon. Colon doesn't like that. If you send an incompletely digested food bolus down to the colon that only ferments, some families are gonna retreat like seven of years. Some families are gonna get high.

and some families are gonna stay in balance. So the first thing we're gonna do for my treatment plan for you is regulate your vagus nerve.

So this is like what multitasking looks like. I have one of my friends in a Flo Presso, so it's a full body lymphatic drainage suit. And they're working lymphatics. We're talking about poop.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (51:00.621)
So we're talking about regulation of the vagus nerve, just like the first digestion. So I talked about sun up, sundown eating, not practical for American society. But research has come through for us. And research has proven that there's a way to fool the hypothalamus into thinking you're doing this. And the Army even funded this original research and uses it. And it's called, oh, 16-8 intermittent fasting.

It fools the hypothalamus into thinking that you're eating sun up, sun down. It gets you back in touch with your vagus nerve. So one, you can make stomach acid. Two, you can prepare the pyloric valve to see the acidity level. Three, you'll do precision excretion of bile and pancreatic enzymes. And four, you start peristalsis of the small intestine. There's a lot more that this does, but that's the main points. So 16,8 intermittent fasting would be...

You do pretty, you come close, but I would do for you 10 to six would be what intermittent or nine to five would work for you.

Do you think there's value, Frank, as you said, lunch is a commercial addition, which I've always thought there's always a meal, which I feel like I'm not sure I need, but I'm like, I should get my, I should eat, I should feed myself. So there's always a meal where I'm like, this one feels a little bit forced. Is it okay to skip the lunch or would you rather say tighten the windows around the end and you'd have a longer gap without food?

I don't care to be honest, to get the result, to get the first level of digestion efficient. It doesn't really matter what you do as long as you stay within that eight hour period. That gets the body going, this guy is into my biorhythm. The hypothalamus is going, I sync with this guy. You can eat three times in that eight hour period. In fact, most people will binge on their first meal.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (52:59.406)
But what happens is eventually when you stay on this for a year, and this is for people that want to lose weight, you can rearrange your entire relationship with food. You are no longer eating for entertainment value. You're no longer eating according to rising and falling glucose levels. That's what drives the average American. Falling glucose, because when, when insulin comes out, sees the glucose in your meal and starts pushing the cells.

Then it glucagon comes off and turns off the insulin. The insulin doesn't go away. It's just turned off. And then, you know, you get this 25 minute window before you're starting to use fat and protein for energy. And so you start to fall asleep. So people react and repump up. And then you get what the army research found out was you get elevated insulin levels 24 seven 365 days a year.

Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (53:57.964)
That causes a variety of additional diseases in humans.

Of course. Yeah.

So staying within an eight hour period is the most important thing. And eventually you'll eat less because you'll get a new relationship with food. Like I used to eat a half a bag of corn chips and salsa. Now I'll eat like 10. And I'm like, okay, that's enough. Yeah. And I didn't set out to do that.

Let ask you about another version of that. I have another people who would do like the OMAD. They'll do the one meal a day, but they'll have their meal. It's spanned out over two and a half, three hours in which there's some appetizers, some snacks, a main meal, some grazing, but they get their same caloric load in a much shorter window. Wouldn't it stand? That's okay. Ideally, I don't know. There's chatter. Again, people have working theories that they say they.

well, you can't let your, you it's too much stress on your adrenal glands to go without food for that long and have this.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (54:59.884)
That's wrong. That's wrong.

I don't agree with it, but I've heard that chatter.

You know, the thing is, is that like people who do the one meal, I mean, you got to look at their lifestyle. You got to look at, know, how they make a living, what kind of exercise they get, how they're living, you know, all that comes into play. A lot of what I'm talking about is for the standard North American, you know, they got, they got to get in a job. They got to get in a car. They got to go on a highway, you know, not stuff I like to do. You know, they got to commute. They got to go to work. They got to sit in an office.

It looks like the program, the office, there's all sorts of stressors built in. So what will work for the majority of people is what I look for. The bell curve, not the extremities outside the bell curve. So 16-8 intermittent fasting is the best, cheapest, non-supplemental way to start your digestion off great.

I got my notepad going here.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (55:57.954)
The next way you can hack the vagus nerve is directly through the bitter receptors on the tongue. You can use digestive bitters on the tongue like an alcohol extract. And the plant that I like in my bitters, the most bitter plant in the plant world is gentian, G-E-N-T-I-A-N. And it's the basis of most digestive bitters. These came from Europe.

European herbal tradition. And then another way to get into the vagus nerve is to use Chinese herb formulas. The Chinese have been working on this for 2000 years. There's like 60 formulas for the digestion. There's digestive weakness with anxiety. There's digestive weakness with inflammation. They use the tongue and the pulse to diagnose and they use the patient history. The basic formula that you would use

or digestive improvement, Chinese herb formula. You can buy these on the Amazon and everything. I mean, I know I'm talking on a podcast is for gentlemen, the word for with the word gentlemen, like gentle lady, gentlemen, or gentlemen. It's also called so gentle time, but forget that. So for gentlemen, you take it with every meal. there's other ways that you can regulate the vagus nerve. You can do acupuncture, you can do chanting, you can do yoga.

Yeah, there's other ways. You can use devices as a thing that goes on the neck.

I use I literally have it over there. I have flow vibrate. It's a biosonic oscillation device to help move limp in the face and neck and you can just put the vibrator right on your neck and it's it's beautiful.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (57:41.048)
I don't like that because it goes near the carotid.

Well, it's soft. You don't push into the neck. You meet the skin.

No, but I mean, there's all sorts of sensors for the carotid. I use, if you want to know what I use, I use Sense8 II. Yeah, Sense8 II works, I'll tell you. I mean, if I got to take a 30 minute nap before I go to my clinic, I wake up and don't even know where I am. So anyway, those are the ways to, that's my stage one. I'll send you my stage plan.

I know, Sensei. Yep.

Freddie Kimmel (58:09.646)
Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (58:16.802)
First, before you give probiotics, you have to get the vagus nerve straightened out. You have to get it to be a player. You can't have stress. You can't be in sympathetic dominance on your vagus nerve. You can't be eaten too many times a day over too many hours. The gut is not set up for that. You're gonna kill your microbiome just like that. Just from that. Forget antibiotics, forget even protein metabolism killing it.

So you got to get the vagus nerve straightened out. If you're going to get probiotics without doing that, you're going to kill them too. So to get the most out of your, your mega sport of the, you got to straighten out the vagus nerve and it really pays off in PubMed. This regulates your hormones, improves your blood glucose tolerance, gives you more cognitive remodels, your microbiome gives you better cognitive skills. They say cognitive tools, more energy. All right. Stage two.

Stage two is remodeling the gut microbiome. You do stage one for about a week to get things straightened out. And now you take the probiotics. In your case, we're gonna go up to, I think it's page eight, or it's page eight. And remember, you don't have this bifidololongum? We need to give you bifidolongum. Now what microbiome labs and Karan did that was brilliant is find a very special microbiome.

or very special Bifidobacterium 1714. It's all Bifido have a number 566-561. They found Bifido 1714. It has an unusual unique characteristic. Not only does it improve the microbiome, but it puts your vagus nerve and parasympathetic. It's right there and all the study on Bifido 1714 is in PubMed for you to access.

the National Library of Congress medical database. And it puts the Vegaserve in parasympathetic. That means less anxiety. I've used it as an anoxiolytic, but you want to put this in, this needs to be present in your gut, pituitary longums. So we're going to use ZenBiome and there's ZenBiome Cope, ZenBiome Sleep. I think it's called ZenBiome Digestion or something. Any version will work for you. Choose the appropriate.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:00:41.518)
Now we need to give you some L-lactate producing lactobacillus. There's an incredible formula. There's a couple of them. One is Metagenix Ultraflora Womans. It was originally designed for vaginal health. Turns out to improve vaginal health, to grow D-lactate bacteria that producing lactobacillus that belong in the vagina, you have to give L-lactate producing bacteria to improve the gut to get

the D lactate in the vagina. You know, we thought because acidophilus lactobacillus acidophilus is in the vagina and the babies quoted with it when they come out that that was good for the gut. It means D lactic acid. It's not good for the gut. It belongs in the gynecological area. L lactate producing lactobacillus belong in the gut and metagenics, ultrafluoro womans is just, and I use it with men is just

L-lactate producing lactobacillus. There's an orthomolecular woman that's good as well.

Yeah, I like metagenics. That's great.

Yeah. And then we need to make a team. These two bacteria need to be, you need to take those as supplements, but we need to team them with Megaspore Biotic because the three together work synergistically. They kill bacteria directly. They cause competitive inhibition. They actually crowd out bad bacteria. They lower the pH of the intestine.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:02:11.148)
which will get rid of bacteria and utilize lactate and ammonia. the ammonia will get utilized, if you have enough prebiotic fibers, carbohydrates in your diet, they will repair the gut wall. They will generate carotenoids and flavonates, grow other things that aren't detected in your gut that you need to have. They will decrease histamine production in your gut. Synergistically, it's a very tight team. So I'll have you take

ZenBiome, Metagenix, Ultrafluorowomans, and Megaspore. Now I know that for my patients, I want this to be easy compliance-wise. You can do whatever you want, Freddie. But what I do is I dose these one each per day with food. I know that Megaspore has a really cool dosing schedule, but I don't want to lose my patients by giving them lot of instructions. And this seems to work over hundreds of people.

Okay.

Freddie Kimmel (01:03:08.3)
Yeah.

So that's your stage three, repopulate your gut microbiome to change a lot of things. The astrobalone value to change maybe the way that you do the proteolytic fermentation versus sacrolytic. We're gonna try and nudge things. You're not gonna feed that proteolytic furnace as much as you're doing. But down here, we don't need to do anything with your acrimansia. Now, if we wanted to make sure that you didn't have a leaky gut,

We wouldn't grow more acrimansia, but we might use a supplement that was produced by microbiome labs to make sure you have a great thick mucosal barrier. And that is mega mucosa. And you do that for about a month. You can add that to stage two, which is the probiotic remodeling, or you can do it separate, but do that for about a month. I do stage two, the three probiotics for about two months.

before I'd started asking myself if I'm doing better. Now you have a bunch of these bacteria here. If you wanted to do on page six, pathogen species, if you wanted to do a little more banging on that drum, you might use one of the, there's some really cool products in the megaspore biot, microbiome labs line. I get confused with those that you can add for a little more killing power. You could add.

at least a bottle of HU58. It would add more of the killing bacillus. Or if you want to get really unique, you could add the new megagenesis, which is a strain that used to exist in all of our microbiomes, but has disappeared except for this group of people living in relative isolation in New Guinea. And they cultured it out. It's called limosalactis.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:05:06.818)
Ruteri. And you it was tested on the test and you had none. But it's a very ancient form of limosalactis ruteri that generates a lot of ruderin, which goes after some of these bad bacteria on page six. So that's I would you know, stage one, stage two, little modification of adding the mega mucosa to make sure you have a really good thick mucosal barrier so you're not sharing with your

Perfect.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:05:36.942)
immune system, all that stuff that goes on in your intestines. I would definitely do the dietary modification where I would read, especially at dinner, reduce these sulfur containing foods and start looking at them more as ancestral ornaments that we don't really need unless you're going to get into some sort of beer or grill stuff. And then, you know, keep them within a 16, eight intermittent fast. Get on the emerging trend of research because you're in the biz.

Okay.

Freddie Kimmel (01:06:06.838)
in the biz. It's super exciting. It's exciting to have an actionable plan. It's nice to look at the numbers. Frank, how long before I should retest and when we should look at this again?

I would retest if you're doing the dietary modifications, I would retest it five to six months.

I'm hyper compliant, so I'm gonna do it.

Yeah. And look more for the re know, the retest is going to be validation of numbers and you have to be hyper compliant to get the real results. Like people modify these plans and then they go, well, how come? How come I don't have the numbers? I go, modified it. You know, it's the I'm not asking you to do a lot. I do it. I'm 72. I'm Italian. I love to cook. I can do it. Yeah. You know, I just came to my family. I'm up in Canada, the family beach house, and they eat gluten like crazy.

And I gluten for two nights and I started feeling like I had asthma or something, you know? Yeah. You know, we get used to this stuff. We get used to eating stuff that's not good for us. We get used to eating a lot of protein at night. And like, you know, we accommodate it and then we wonder why down the line we got a butcher's bill to pay. Like I got to get my knees replaced. Right. Well, that's all from leaky gut. Yeah. You know, people make excuses. I had an accident 40 years ago. That's why my hips are bad. No, they're not.

Freddie Kimmel (01:07:25.365)
Exactly.

You know, they're so bad because one, you lost functionality in your shoulder girdle and your hip girdle. So, you know, your body's twisted. And second, you got leaky gut contributing a ton of inflammation. Yeah.

Frank, I'm super excited and I appreciate you going this deeply with me on this report. And again, you know, it's like, it's just little adjustments for me. So I'm gonna pull the trigger and we'll get going on this.

All right, I'm going to send you a separate email with a contact number for text messaging and about five documents, five to six documents that support what I talked about. Yeah.

I love it. Frank, thank you for the conversation.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:08:03.256)
Yeah.

Dr. Frank Ervolino (01:08:06.734)
I'll talk to you about functional posture alignment therapy that we use with, uh, I work for this other company that works with the NFL athletes and why people have bad hips, bad neck, you know, NFL guy. Yeah, don't, see them in their Cairo. We give them exercises to pull their body back into alignment.

yeah, very familiar. friend Alina is a postural restoration institute.

Well, my best friend is Peter Agoskis.

yeah, I know the Agasku technique as well. Dr. Frank, thank you so much. I'm going to scoot, but we will talk soon.

Yeah, call me again. love to do this. All right, take care, bud.

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